About to give up and cry (Vista thinks I'm NOT connected) in Networking http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20967412 en Tue, 15 Dec 2009 03:40:14 EDT Tue, 15 Dec 2009 03:40:14 EDT Re: About to give up and cry (Vista thinks I'm NOT connected) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21246846 cacroll :
said by louist See Profile :

Interesting. I didn't think about 1394 as a network connection. Will check those desktops (I don't think they have 1394 installed).


The Firewire possibility is just the one that came to mind today, after I read the MS KB article. If you look at an "ipconfig /all" log, and at the content of "Network", you may find other possibilities.

You might also look for InfraRed and USB PAN components.
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Here is the actual KB: »support.microsoft.com/kb/947041]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21245782 Fri, 10 Oct 2008 12:12:03 EDT Re: About to give up and cry (Vista thinks I'm NOT connected) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21245155 cacroll :
said by louist See Profile :

Unfortunately, the MS KB talks about a probably related problem, but not the total problem. The Microsoft text specifically relates to situations with VISTA where the Computer has "more than one network connection". The problem described is also occurring on desktop machines that have only one NIC and have never had any other NIC. (I have two such machines and a laptop. The laptop has two NICs and has the problem. The other two machines are Desktops with one NIC each and also have the exact same problem with the same symptoms.


I've seen a couple with Ethernet and 1394 (Firewire). IPConfig will show the 1394 adapter as a network device.
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If Microsoft is working on correcting the multiple NIC problem, that will not necessarily correct the problem on machines with only one NIC.
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Lou]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21244756 Fri, 10 Oct 2008 08:51:35 EDT Re: About to give up and cry (Vista thinks I'm NOT connected) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21243603 msmma : Go here...its a known Vista problem. MS is working on it. See last post in this link..

»forums.microsoft.com/TechNet/Sho···iteID=17]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21243603 Thu, 09 Oct 2008 22:40:42 EDT Re: About to give up and cry (Vista thinks I'm NOT connected) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21218931 louist : I've had the problem since August also. Had it yesterday. today the problem appears to be gone. Are you seeing it today?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21218931 Sun, 05 Oct 2008 14:59:13 EDT Re: About to give up and cry (Vista thinks I'm NOT connected) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21198871 bsdsmb : I run Vista on a number of machines. While I've seen the globe get cranky, in each case I usually was able to isolate the root cause. In one case it was my upstream DHCP server ran out of clean IPs and was issuing an address with a conflict or the such ... So look for IP conflicts on your network - as a starter.

2nd idea I have is I too once upon a time (long long ago in another galaxy) had a ASUS motherboard with a Marvel Yukon gigE chip based nic on it. Back then - there was known issue with the Yukon, which would cause the ethernet card to die. Apparently an issue in the silicon. Marvell (or Microsoft) put out drivers that "fixed" the issue, but I found that onboard NIC would not work on certain Linux or BSD distros - no matter what I tried.

My simple and 100% effective solution was to stick a rather plain vanilla Intel GigE nic into the machine and turn off the Marvel onboard NIC. Problem solved.

I hope this spurs some ideas to try.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21198871 Wed, 01 Oct 2008 14:28:11 EDT Re: About to give up and cry (Vista thinks I'm NOT connected) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21195651 cacroll :
said by Marksman45 See Profile :

I have the same problem guys...as mentioned by ajm786. I contacted my ISP regarding my observation but they said I am connected to their network and they see no problem with my connection...but the problem here is I cannot open my browsers unless that little globe appears again...or sometimes it appears but still I cannot open my browsers. My OS is Windows Vista Ultimate SP1 64Bit-OS


This is a rather stale thread. Are you certain that you will gain anything by re opening it?

Have you tried all the diagnoses tried by the OP? The diagnoses recommended by everybody helping? If you have the same problem, and if you can justifiably hijack this stale thread, then the same diagnostics apply to you.
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Nitecruzr Dot Net]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21195651 Tue, 30 Sep 2008 22:32:48 EDT Re: About to give up and cry (Vista thinks I'm NOT connected) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21195020 Marksman45 : I have the same problem guys...as mentioned by ajm786. I contacted my ISP regarding my observation but they said I am connected to their network and they see no problem with my connection...but the problem here is I cannot open my browsers unless that little globe appears again...or sometimes it appears but still I cannot open my browsers. My OS is Windows Vista Ultimate SP1 64Bit-OS]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21195020 Tue, 30 Sep 2008 20:43:12 EDT Re: About to give up and cry (Vista thinks I'm NOT connected) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21067951 anon : Or, get a Mac.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21067951 Sat, 06 Sep 2008 12:16:31 EDT Re: About to give up and cry (Vista thinks I'm NOT connected) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21066893 ghot1 : remember you can always upgrade to XP :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21066893 Sat, 06 Sep 2008 05:08:29 EDT Re: About to give up and cry (Vista thinks I'm NOT connected) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20974273 Bink : Your issue is not the same. Vista has a very simple, and buggy, Internet connectivity icon and it’s the icon itself that doesn’t always reflect the actual state of Internet connectivity. In this case, the OP can and is on the Internet even when the icon notes he isn’t.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20974273 Tue, 19 Aug 2008 13:15:16 EDT Re: About to give up and cry (Vista thinks I'm NOT connected) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20974168 VidsGuy : A friend asked me to look at his ThinkPad T30, which is running XP Pro. He said that immediately after installing SP3, he had connectivity problems involving his Ethernet connection to a DSL modem/router and his wireless connection.

All the symptoms explained in this thread are happening to his T30 and he can not connect with the internet at all. Even more strange is that his desktop is running normally, with no problems whatsoever.

I've run the full range of possible "fixes" to no avail. All devices in the T30 are up to date and appear to have no problems; yet, the machine can't connect.

I suggested that he take the machine to a network tech.
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The only time that it momentarily displayed was a few times after reboot, when I thought the problem resolved itself. All of a sudden, the little globe would disappear. :uhh:

One of the first things I did when I started having the problem was to examine the ipconfig /all logs. They were nearly identical between both machines, save of course the actual IP address.

As of right now, I am typing on the machine. Guess what. The little globe is there and steady now. So I powered down and rebooted.

The globe is there. It's acting normal. :uhh:

So I logged off, and logged into another account.

The globe is there. Acting normal.

Now, when you first start up Vista, the network icon is grayed and x'ed out. Then it turns to regular, then regular with globe. This is normal behavior, and that's what it's doing now, acting normal.

It looks like it's acting normally. I didn't do anything to "make it" act normal. :hmm: I have no idea what's going on.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20971035 Mon, 18 Aug 2008 20:10:36 EDT Re: About to give up and cry (Vista thinks I'm NOT connected) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20970544 cacroll :
said by ajm786 See Profile :

The network tray icon does NOT display the little globe that indicates that it detects the internet. Contrary to this, I am connected to the internet 100%

If I do get the little globe to be displayed on the network, it's only momentarily (a few minutes), before it disappears.

The ONLY way that I can get it "fixed" for sure, is to release and renew the IP address, and this only works until the next reboot, when it goes right back to the same behavior.


So let's look at the behaviour of the mysterious little globe.

If you release / renew the IP address, the globe is visible until the next reboot? Which is typically how long?

If you do not release / renew the IP address, what do you do to get it to be momentarily displayed (for a few minutes)?

Maybe examination of the "ipconfig /all" logs from both Vista computers will suggest something.
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»networking.nitecruzr.net/2005/08···ial.html]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20969870 Mon, 18 Aug 2008 16:33:32 EDT Re: About to give up and cry (Vista thinks I'm NOT connected) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20969762 ajm786 : Yes. There were no changes made, no updates installed, and I checked and double checked the Event Log. No errors, except the widespread known error: HttpEvent "Unable to initialize the security package Kerberos for server side authentication. The data field contains the error number."

This error is totally unrelated to my issue, so yeah, I checked. Nothing updated to speak of.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20969762 Mon, 18 Aug 2008 16:12:33 EDT Re: About to give up and cry (Vista thinks I'm NOT connected) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20969750 cacroll :
said by ajm786 See Profile :

Yes indeed. I'm running the latest drivers for my network card, which was released May of this year. Marvell Yukon drivers. Never had an issue with them before, but just to make sure, I even tried downgrading to earlier driver versions, all to no avail.


And have you checked the system update logs, to see if any updates were done just before the problem was observed?
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Nitecruzr Dot Net]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20969750 Mon, 18 Aug 2008 16:09:48 EDT Re: About to give up and cry (Vista thinks I'm NOT connected) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20969730 ajm786 : Yes indeed. I'm running the latest drivers for my network card, which was released May of this year. Marvell Yukon drivers. Never had an issue with them before, but just to make sure, I even tried downgrading to earlier driver versions, all to no avail.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20969730 Mon, 18 Aug 2008 16:05:45 EDT Re: About to give up and cry (Vista thinks I'm NOT connected) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20969713 cacroll :
said by ajm786 See Profile :

What do you need me to tell you about DHCP Broadcast and the RWin Autotuning? Because I did try adjusting those last night, and both to no avail.


I missed that detail from your opening post. The phrase "includes, but is not limited to" is a bit vague.

Does the list implicitly include getting the latest drivers from the vendor of the network adapter?
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Nitecruzr Dot Net]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20969713 Mon, 18 Aug 2008 16:03:05 EDT Re: About to give up and cry (Vista thinks I'm NOT connected) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20969399 ajm786 : I have 2 computers that are running Vista x64. I didn't check the other one yet, though I will try today.

What do you need me to tell you about DHCP Broadcast and the RWin Autotuning? Because I did try adjusting those last night, and both to no avail.

About the "Repair Connection", yes, that fixes it, but only temporarily. Upon reboot, the problem is back again.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20969399 Mon, 18 Aug 2008 15:11:16 EDT Re: About to give up and cry (Vista thinks I'm NOT connected) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20968950 Richard50 : I have the same problem from time to time by right clicking on the network icon in the system tray and clicking on the repair option it will repair itself. Give it a try.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20968950 Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:54:03 EDT Re: About to give up and cry (Vista thinks I'm NOT connected) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20968595 cacroll : There are 2 Vista connectivity issues that I don't see you explicitly mention above.
•DHCP Broadcast.
•RWin Autotuning.
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Do you have but 1 computer? In cases like this, having a second computer for troubleshooting can be invaluable.
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Nitecruzr Dot Net]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20968595 Mon, 18 Aug 2008 12:42:18 EDT Re: About to give up and cry (Vista thinks I'm NOT connected) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20968197 Bink : Either that or break your head trying to fix a problem-some Microsoft feature—and let us know when you do ;) .]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20968197 Mon, 18 Aug 2008 11:27:13 EDT Re: About to give up and cry (Vista thinks I'm NOT connected) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20967978 ajm786 : You know, I beginning to think you're onto something. You are the second person who has replied to my problem with a similar response.

So I'm guessing I'll have to chalk it up to buggy, and it'll sort itself out?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20967978 Mon, 18 Aug 2008 10:49:30 EDT Re: About to give up and cry (Vista thinks I'm NOT connected) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20967968 Bink : Sheeesh. All this for this? I have the issue on occasion, but, eventually, it wises up and works. I find this feature buggy enough that I don’t really rely on it. I think it checks for some file on some Microsoft server to determine your Internet connectivity status, but the feature is buggy enough/I don’t care enough to investigate further.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20967968 Mon, 18 Aug 2008 10:47:23 EDT About to give up and cry (Vista thinks I'm NOT connected) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20967412 ajm786 : Ok, title is a bit exaggerated, but still.

For some reason, all of a sudden, Vista x64 Ultimate seems to think that I am NOT connected to the internet, when I actually am. The network tray icon does NOT display the little globe that indicates that it detects the internet. Contrary to this, I am connected to the internet 100%, and my internal network (regular workgroup) is fully functional; all other computers are recognizable and file transfers work perfectly. My connection is Verizon FIOS, and my router is a D-Link DGL-4500.

I tried EVERYTHING I could think of, which includes, but is not limited to:

1. Reset the router.
2. Try all different types of DNS on the router and on the computer,
3. Release and renew ALL IPs (this fixes it until the next reboot)
4. Clearing and reregistering the DNS cache
5. Revoking and assigning new internal IPs to the computer
6. Deleting and reinstalling the network card via Device Manager
7. Rebuilding the Winsock 2 and TCP/IP Stack
8. System Restore to a KNOWN WORKING time

If I do get the little globe to be displayed on the network, it's only momentarily (a few minutes), before it disappears.

The ONLY way that I can get it "fixed" for sure, is to release and renew the IP address, and this only works until the next reboot, when it goes right back to the same behavior.

One thing I should mention is that before all this, I was experimenting both on the router level as well as through Vista itself, with OpenDNS. I admit that I did change the DNS to OpenDNS's servers, but that was only temporarily. But even with or without OpenDNS, it still does the same thing, even when I revert back to defaults.

What could be the problem? I would appreciate any suggestions and help.

Thank you.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20967412 Mon, 18 Aug 2008 08:26:03 EDT