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reply to hottboiinnc

Re: CWA wants national healthcare

Hey, don't start insinuating that only 'real men' support unions. Some people have valid gripes with unions. One of the biggest gripes with unions is that it forces the company to keep or pay higher pay to individuals who just don't have the real job skills necessary instead of finding a person who would actually be worth the pay and that will get the job done. Another gripe is that a lot of people believe unions tend to demand too much and are unreasonable. Supporting or not supporting a union is a iffy thing. I believe unions are beneficial as long as they don't demand too much and are reasonable. If utilized properly, unionized workers will be happy and the company will be happy. As it is though, companies tend to be too greedy and unions tend to be unreasonable and demand too much. Hence, the constant fighting when it is time to negotiate a new contract.

true.

I don't see why a company should keep someone on their payroll if they don't do their share of work. I also don't see where a company should have to pay $40 an hour to someone who sits on their ass all day putting a sticker on a car door. and on top of that pay their entire health care bill.

reply to MeKuN
and no i won't

tell your Reps to VOTE NO FOR THE EMPLOYEE FREE CHOICE ACT!

Why does Obama say we NEED unions and want to unionize America and then WANT TO EXPAND WELFARE!!! WTF! Talk about someone who is confused and a hypocrite. Obama is it!

reply to mystryfiostk
if you're so called "real men" worked like they should they wouldnt need the unions to get their pay. instead they shouldnt be lazy and they'd get paid their wage.

Also "real" men do not sit on their ass all day making their $35+ an hour putting a sticker on a car door.

We have to be realistic. There are plenty of people who do work their butts off that deserve the rate of pay negotiated by the unions...just there is a lot that do not as well.

reply to Steve B

Okay...at a local grocer. A woman was not doing her job well at all. She was a slacker. When management starting harping on her to get with the program, she started making waves with the union. The union promised to fight if they tried to fire her. So the grocer, kept this woman on even though she sucked at her job. She eventually quit anyway. Me and others were not surprised at all and thought it was crap.

I applaud your employer then but, not all employers are the same. Any employer will want to axe anyone with sub par performance but, unions have fought so a person in the same kind of situation can keep their job.

reply to Steve B
i don't have a problem with one's differing opinions about organized labor (as misguided as they may be). hey, this country "elected" the bush twice, so anything's possible these days.

the assault on the middle class that reagan began twenty-five years has been well crafted and well executed by the extreme right. the middle class has been their best ally, blaming themselves for this country's failures. they prey on fear. fear of the unions, fear of the immigrant, the homosexuals, etc etc.

the heritage foundation, pnac, and the ayn rand institute couldn't have scripted it any better.

while i don't want to make any of this a personal attack on the "boi", what spurred my response were the incessant anti-union remarks bordering on personal attacks that he's posted on any of recent union related news posts.

In regards to the union topic, I understand what you're talking about.

However, on the other topic about Republicans preying on fear. The Dems do the exact same thing. An instance, that I remember quite clearly is when Dick Gephart was on the stump saying schools will close, children will starve around the country if Republicans gained control of Congress in 1994. Well, Republicans gained control and the supposed social doomsday never happened. My point is scare tactics are used by both sides whether it is justified or not. The fear of homosexuals is from religion. Also, most Republicans would welcome immigrants but, they want it done legally and not coming here to live off government aid.

reply to Steve B

The other workers did not get a long with her because she was being lazy. When management approached her to shape up, she filed the complaint saying that the store was not being fair to her. The were talks done between management and the Union and the store kept her to keep the Union happy. Then one day she was just gone. I guess she found another job. In the end the situation resolved itself so now there isn't an issue but, there was.

reply to Steve B
Nevermind the Republican in New Mexico who asserted the Dems would be cutting the throats of servicemen if they got their way. Politicians suck and so do the people who perpetuate their poisonous rhetoric.
My Union saved my ass when an LCOM (manager) tried to set me up. People DO get fired and Unions simply make sure it isn't an unfair firing.
Say what you want but this is a country of the People and Unions are in line with that philosophy.
The next time our managers tell us to spy on our customers, you better hope there are still guys like me who say "No, I don't work for the NSA."

As I stated before, both sides utilize scare tactics whether or not its justified. It is a sad thing.

reply to hottboiinnc
Really??? That's why prior to Unions, industry treated workers like slaves and we had no rights. What do you have against the power of the people? Sounds like you're fulfilling the Totalitarian ideals of the NeoCons.
Most of our techs make about $18-$25/hr. I make a little more because I have an BSEE AND 20 years of experience.
Ask the cable techs how they get their asses ran around. Ask if they would like the protection of a Brotherhood.
Undoing Unions is equal to undoing Democracy. Keep up the evil work..
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If you actually read everything I put in previous posts, you would see that I said unions are a good thing but, they can go too far. So you have no reason to be rude.

reply to Steve B
My point was that it's not Dems or Repubs that do it, it's jerks who prey on peoples fear. I don't need this govt to protect me, I do just fine by myself. As B. Franklin said, those that sacrefice their freedoms for security deserve neither.

reply to Steve B
I was replying to hotboi.