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Re: Any info on why?
I thought Callvantage was sonus based which about the best, most scalable on the market? |
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said by Guy Waters  :SBC has been sucessful in highlighting the blame for bad service on the AT&T name. !!! no they haven't. |
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morbo
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said by Guy Waters :My personal opinion is SBC wanted 100% control of Cingular and it was less expensive to purchase all of BellSouth than to purchase BellSouth's 40% of Cingular. how do you figure? without cingular's profit for bellsouth, they could have watched as the company slowly withered away on the vine and then plucked it up a few years later. a la qwest. |
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Guy Waters
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It was politics. SBC couldn't purchase AT&T Wireless while they were in a joint venture with BellSouth in Cingular. Once SBC purchased BellSouth they could then resurect the AT&T name.
My personal opinion is SBC wanted 100% control of Cingular and it was less expensive to purchase all of BellSouth than to purchase BellSouth's 40% of Cingular. |
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Guy Waters
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Just remember it's the SBC executives at the helm of the new AT&T. SBC only purchased AT&T for the nationwide name recognition and the nationwide network backbone. Other than that they had no other real intrerst in the company.
It was Cingular as a joint venture of SBC/BellSouth that purchased the original AT&T Wireless and merged it into the Cingular brand name. Then changed the name to AT&T Mobility after purchasing BellSouth.
SBC has been sucessful in highlighting the blame for bad service on the AT&T name. |
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EPS
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No commercials say "at&t Wireless", they just say "at&t". That was my point  |
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said by fiberguy :AT&T did NOT have a good name with people.. in the real world it wasn't well liked. It only had one thing going; it had name recognition. As a company, AT&T was was not consumer friendly.. they violated law after law... and they didn't do much innovating for years. They purchased a good cable conglomerate and gutted and fillet it and left those customers to rot. I'm sorry to disagree with you but AT&T was a horrible company.. even outside BBR. (And I don't agree with BBR very often) AT&T was so brilliant they invented the transistor and sold it to the Japanese for $50,000. The breakup of AT&T was a great thing. Before, you rented a POS phone. Now, you can buy your own.
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said by djrobx : quote:
new platform already has more customers than callvantage.
Does that mean the new platform is U-Verse Voice? How else would that be possible? The new platform is an IMS VoIP platform. Currently the only product being sold on this platform is U-Verse Voice. |
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SolarPup
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That's friggin hilarious! |
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phonebrain
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The play to go with BYOB is already the way I use Callvantage. I is NOT My understanding that anything but the LAST MILE of Callvantage goes over the PUBLIC net as that would be SKYPE! And its worked without a pop, snap or crackle for 4 years- and I am a SW network engineer for more than 20 years.
The IP rides in the DOCSIS frame for the last mile on a shared media (public net) but once in the CO it is routed onto an ATT VPN which is ATT Backbone-maybe they tell U-verse people that to calm them. QOS is not needed in cable in last mile much as its such a fat pipe-with video recently I have had some upstream congestion maybe during a peak 20 mins. a day...usually not bad but tells you they need to fix DOCSIS to do some prioritization in the VOIP gateways and from the CO to the CPE. Anyway point here is I can not GET ATT DSSL as I am in VZ land but I CAN GET CALLVANTAGE AND I CAN GET ATT WIRELESS so the customers ATT would want would be to STEAL VZs cellular customers especially the ones already lost to Callvantage or Vonage as hey are RIPE for the picking. OF COURSE THAT WOULD BE VIA FMC
and yes Femtocells would do it--ONE PHONE for Cell and home...
and likely unlike T-Mobile they would not use DUAL MODE hand sets but the iPhone could takk direct to femto tower. Finally iPhone operation when in HOME mode runs ENHANCED FEATURE SET due to the faster and CHEAPER BACKHAUL. Home calls are al free as are premium features that are more when "wandering" that is moving outside of a hot spot in the ATT network..
once at work...a picocell device could then take over and offer free calling within your office net--later..for now I see a DOUBLE PLAY Move
to retain and expand STICKY CELL SERVICE and to admit as well DSL is a lame way to deploy so expand business as we lay fiber and pay for it via cells etc.
Saying BEST EFFORT confuses people--the only BEST EFFORT for VOIP is when its over DSL if the traffivc is not tagged as VOIE in the TOS feild
from the DSLAM (if its IP--or if ATM tagged CBR) then its BEST EFFORT, purely an issue from the CO to the CPE---as far as from CO to
the core---come on boys-CALLVANTAGE AINT GOING OVER THE PUBLIC NET
NOR IS U-VERSE --they are both mapped next hop to the ATT IP BACKBONE...
otherwise the calls would be FREE LIKE SKYPE_-even SKYPE has paid calling where they go over say LEVEL 3s network and do so EXACTLY in way I say via routing to LEVE:L 3s VPN.....
otay...
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KrK
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Great time to plug the great Steven Colbert piece on AT&T... 
»www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6nuwQmhrZ8 |
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fiberguy
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| reply to MyDogHsFleas
AT&T did NOT have a good name with people.. in the real world it wasn't well liked. It only had one thing going; it had name recognition. As a company, AT&T was was not consumer friendly.. they violated law after law... and they didn't do much innovating for years. They purchased a good cable conglomerate and gutted and fillet it and left those customers to rot.
I'm sorry to disagree with you but AT&T was a horrible company.. even outside BBR. (And I don't agree with BBR very often) |
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It's called the AirRave. There is a host of information about it on HowardForums: »howardforums.com
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djrobx
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quote:
new platform already has more customers than callvantage.
Does that mean the new platform is U-Verse Voice? How else would that be possible? |
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there are several reasons
not scalable.
not easily upgradeable.
older architecture.
older network.
older ordering/provisioning/support
not fully e911 compliant.
not IMS compliant.
new platform already has more customers than callvantage.
new platform will have more features than callvantage. |
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| reply to EPS
By changing the legal name of the company it they did rebrand it. How? They do NOT use the name Cingular anymore except on their wireless network when you search for GSM carriers for signal. That's it. Everything else says ATT. cingular.com goes to wireless.att.com thats is a rebrand. Their commericals say ATT Wireless. NOT Cingular.
They rebranded the company weather you want to agree or not. Rebranding is when you change the name of a company and no longer use the old one in marketing or any other form. |
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markofmayhem
join:2004-04-08
Pittsburgh, PA | reply to en102
What's this Sprint product called? I can't find it and would love to use my home phone over broadband charged to my cell phone like T-Mobile. |
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en102
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I suspect so as well... while it would be great to see something similar to what Sprint has (use your existing phone, unlimited over a home based device through broadband), I suspect that AT&T would rather sell something more like T-Mobile's answer... another line, tied in through cellular infrastructure, but over broadband connection. AT&T likes extra numbers (looks good having extra 'subs'), while Sprint's solution aims at less overall 'lines' technically with a more mobile aimed solution, similar to UMA.
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EPS
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| reply to morbo
Cingular wasn't renamed at&t wireless- the legal name of the wireless company was changed to "AT&T Mobility LLC", but the only brand they want you to use is at&t, without any descriptor- which probably works better in places like here where there's no landline at&t to deal with.
I always found it funny that Cingular bought the old AT&T Wireless (which DID use that name), spent tons of money to say "AT&T Wireless is now Cingular", and then very shortly after had to spend tons of money to say "Cingular is now 'the new' at&t". |
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morbo
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rebranding is killing the established brand, especially when you aren't tweaking the brand but renaming it after old ma-bell.
who says at&t had a more positive branding than sbc? the reason they went to at&t was people were more aware of the name at&t over sbc. not it had a more positive view from the public. the public doesn't forget the old monopoly days. everyone does know who at&t is though.
in addition, the at&t wireless brand that was milked in its final months of all that was good (customer service, call quality, etc.) the at&t name was trashed for several months if not longer, while the corporate structure essentially sold out the consumers.
even if you disagree with the sbc comments, just look at how they took the cingular brand and threw a sack of crap on top of it, renaming it 'at&t wireless'. |
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