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Re: Engineer vs Agenda

said by telcolackey See Profile :

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Here in BBR there are more end users than engineers so the conversation focuses on more entitlement aspects of broadband vs the technical merits of network management. If you debate the majority, you are called a "fanboy". Many times it is not worth the effort as a few (who I am sure will reply to this) are not worth debating.
Interesting that you dismiss any possible responses to your remarks-out-of hand. I suppose, though, that if the people you dismiss as "fanboys" turn out to be right, then that jeopardizes those engineering jobs, so I understand your dilemma.

Isn't the end-user, though, the ultimate arbiter? If it wasn't for us, there'd be no need to worry about the traffic at all. It's well and good to try to figure out a way to manage the system, but if the public perception is that their constitutional rights are being abrogated for the sake of the providers' convenience or to meet some political agenda, then it doesn't matter how pure the "engineers" motives may be - it is the perception of the providers' motives that is going to drive the public's response.
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Re: Engineer vs Agenda

Perception is reality. Facts don't really mean much.

There are more rights than wrongs on both sides of the debate. Net Neutrality has turned so religious and agenda based that engineering, facts and data mean very little. It is all how the message is spun and which multi-billion dollar business (content companies, ISPs, broadband etc) gets ahead of the cost curve.
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Re: Engineer vs Agenda

So far today, your inputs have been rather fact free yet I'm the one with the "agenda" naming RFCs and explaining why things are the way that they are and specifically how to move forward.

I'm also offering the fact that it isn't easy and perhaps isn't even practical, but that the right thing to do is to fix it at the standards level before arbitrarily unleashing it on the Internet.

You can call Network Neutrality a religion, but it is no more a religion than Freedom of the Press, is it?
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