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Comcast hasn't used "unlimited" for some time now. TWC does but their ISP actually limits. RR is NOT unlimited. |
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said by Rick  :As for Rob and his suit..that's up to him if he feels wronged. Personally I'd have to severely question however how wronged someone could be obviously using the connection as much as he did..at the price he paid for it. Rick, my average use falls around 150 GB a month, and I'm also hyper conscience about ensuring that any use that I'm about to do and I won't contribute to the neighborhood's congestion.
During tests with Seth Shoen at the EFF, even when I was transferring at data rates limited to 1 KB/s, I was receiving the RSTs. Comcast was keeping me from accessing bandwidth that I paid for.
Quit throwing bombs at me.
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I have never been in favor of caps. Instead, I have often written in the Comcast and other forums about people trying to be reasonable and responsible instead. If I was someone who wanted to consume 400 gigs of bandwidth per month, I simply wouldn't expect it from a 42 dollars a month residential isp service. At the very least..I'd upgrade to a business class type of service and perhaps split my usage across a dsl and cable connection. In short..I'd respect both my neighbors and the company I'm getting service from.
Some simply haven't done that. They've treated this like an all you can eat 6.99 chinese buffet that they go in and attach a chain to their pickup truck with and drag it home.
And do it under the guise of "they said it was all I can eat".
This is what I mean about being reasonable and responsible.
As for Rob and his suit..that's up to him if he feels wronged. Personally I'd have to severely question however how wronged someone could be obviously using the connection as much as he did..at the price he paid for it.
I saw in the news he was asked how much he felt he was due and his response was "the answer was tremendously difficult".
To me..the answer seems pretty simple.
Zero.
But...that's really here nor there. This is America..and if a person would like to waste their time on a frivolous suit..feel free to I guess. My point wasn't that..it was the "undisclosure" in response to his own post above where he talks about Comcast doing that.
Did he contribute to what is occurring with caps now?
Probably. In some ways...I think the answer is yes. But it's far from being just him. It's collectively "they"..who I feel never seemed to appreciate what they had for the price they had it.
Isp's really are going to have no choice but to cap if reasonable network management practices..ie: throttling..aren't allowed.
And, I don't think it's going to hurt me or the average user at all..unless the numbers get so low as to be in the range Time Warner is talking about. Being a former RR customer..I certainly hope that doesn't come to pass. But I think who they can thank for it is the ones who simply could never get enough.
They are driving the industry to this.
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Rick, you can't have a contract without the people knowing what it is they are supposed to be doing or adhering to.
Let's face it, the Caps have always been there, but Comcast didn't want to take the marketing flap for admitting it.
Some people did get away with 300+ GB, but didn't get hit. Others got hit at lower amounts.... it all depends on how much capacity they had.
Declaring it is much fairer to all.
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said by Rick :I think it all has plenty to do with each other. Isp's including comcast have tried to police their networks in such a way the last few years to be as reasonable as possible IMHO. Instead of putting fixed numbers on bandwidth, they've attempted to be as flexible as possible and to deal with those abusing the networks with cautions to tone down their usage. I've always thought that was a great way to operate and really resembled in a way the spirit of the internet itself in letting it be as free and open as possible. In particular, I think that comcast has been one of the most generous ones of all. I have yet to EVER see a post where anyone ever had a problem unless they hit the 300 to 400 gig amounts PER MONTH. And, even that was following a warning letter. It's really too bad that some couldn't appreciate that and how generous it was. Instead..they criticized and criticized some more. And now..I think they're going to reap what they've sown. Not only with comcast..but across the whole ISP world. Some people have simply treated this 42 dollar a month service as if they paid 2 thousand a month for it. Their expectations and demands have been nothing short of outrageous. It's a residential service..not a private dedicated line for all their own use. Maybe now they'll start to get a clue. But..then again..maybe it will take the first big bill instead. So, you are for the caps to limit the bandwidth hogs, and the stated caps are now most likely a direct result of what Rob found. So I would imagine you would be one of Rob's #1 fans as he has now helped limit the bandwidth hogs you have been so vocal about....
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I think it all has plenty to do with each other.
Isp's including comcast have tried to police their networks in such a way the last few years to be as reasonable as possible IMHO. Instead of putting fixed numbers on bandwidth, they've attempted to be as flexible as possible and to deal with those abusing the networks with cautions to tone down their usage.
I've always thought that was a great way to operate and really resembled in a way the spirit of the internet itself in letting it be as free and open as possible.
In particular, I think that comcast has been one of the most generous ones of all. I have yet to EVER see a post where anyone ever had a problem unless they hit the 300 to 400 gig amounts PER MONTH. And, even that was following a warning letter.
It's really too bad that some couldn't appreciate that and how generous it was. Instead..they criticized and criticized some more.
And now..I think they're going to reap what they've sown.
Not only with comcast..but across the whole ISP world.
Some people have simply treated this 42 dollar a month service as if they paid 2 thousand a month for it.
Their expectations and demands have been nothing short of outrageous. It's a residential service..not a private dedicated line for all their own use.
Maybe now they'll start to get a clue.
But..then again..maybe it will take the first big bill instead.
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said by Rick :said by ptrowski :Why? He found something that was not being disclosed, they blatantly lied about it, and are being sued. Sounds about right to me. Hmm..seems like you're missing a few steps...not to mention the entire point of my comment. You might want to educate yourself about what happened here in this thread..starting first with the "woe is me..comcast is attacking poor little old me"....which ultimately led up to the "revelation" that perhaps the reason they had something to say about him was because of his undisclosed lawsuit seeking class action ..Ie: support from the members of the board he apparently hoped would be joining in on the suit. » Complain about Comcast=Have your Reputation ScrutinizedIn any event...back on topic...personally I hope they do institute caps. It's time for the high consumption users to pay their share and stop having everyone else subsidize this outrageous behavior and enough..is never enough..usage. I didn't miss a few steps, and am well aware of that thread. I don't see how that has anything to do with the FCC has now posted the order. Robb used the information he found out to start a lawsuit. I don't think he ever said that he wasn't suing them. As a matter of fact it was on a website.
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They already instituted caps, remember the letters they send telling you to use [undefined] less bandwidth or be cutoff?
I agree that 250GB is reasonable, it works out to 4 people each using 2GB per day, which can be expected from "high speed internet". It's the bullshit 50GB caps that get people upset. If Comcast stops forging packets and advertising unlimited while setting secret limits, we can have a better relationship with them. |
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said by ptrowski :Why? He found something that was not being disclosed, they blatantly lied about it, and are being sued. Sounds about right to me. Hmm..seems like you're missing a few steps...not to mention the entire point of my comment.
You might want to educate yourself about what happened here in this thread..starting first with the "woe is me..comcast is attacking poor little old me"....which ultimately led up to the discovery on page 3 of the thread by TKJunkmail that perhaps the reason they had something to say about him was because of his undisclosed lawsuit seeking class action ..Ie: support from the members of the board he apparently hoped would be joining in on the suit.
»Complain about Comcast=Have your Reputation Scrutinized
It's particularly interesting to note the date of the suit and compare that to the date of the first post in the thread and then see if that "undisclosure" would have put a different light on things he had to say.
I sure think it would have.
In any event...back on topic...personally I hope they do institute caps. It's time for the high consumption users to pay their share and stop having everyone else subsidize this outrageous behavior and enough..is never enough..usage. |
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