 RickPremium,MVM
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Re: Cry... said by funchords:So, Rick, I'm dishonest because I posted a thread and didn't disclose that I was suing? I didn't say you were being dishonest. I said it was undisclosed for the purpose of that thread and this website..which it was. People can form their own opinions from there..or not if they don't want to.
I think that both I and others in that thread were somewhat taken aback by the non disclosure and it did put your opening post in a very different light.
Certainly, as you say the issue was ongoing long before that thread however and so that should certainly be weighed in as well.
For my part..personally I think your suit is completely without merit and ranks with the kinds of things that are wrong with this countries legal system.
Why? Because of the price paid for the service. And what it was..and was intended to be. My critique isn't just directed at you when I say too many people expect thousands of dollars worth a service per month for 42 bucks. And it's off the backs of everyone else that they get it.
Comcast has the right to reasonable network management and doesn't have to open their doors to nonstop 24/7 p2p users.
Comcast hasn't capped people at 5 gigs or 20 gigs or 100gigs.
It's been at 300 to 400 gigs for christs sake. It is outrageous what people expect for 42 dollars per month and to criticize it..critique it to death..and sue on top of it is just flat out wrong IMO.
I and MANY others use our connections a LOT! And have ZERO problems with it. Our voices have been silent for too long about this. What REASONABLE people want is for our connections to be fast..and service to be good and consistent. I don't want my 24/7 bandwidth hogging neighbor to take down my and others connections. Comcast has the RIGHT..and OBLIGATION..to PROTECT US.
Again..to be clear...I'm not saying you're dishonest. You obviously feel strongly about your point..enough so to feel it's right to sue them.
Don't object however to other peoples points who don't feel that way. Because there are many very happy..very satisfied users as well.
And it's time we had something to say about this.
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 funchordsHelloPremium,MVM
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1 edit | And for the record, I agree with all of these things --
- Comcast has the right to reasonable network management
- Comcast hasn't capped people at 5 gigs or 20 gigs or 100gigs. It's been at 300 to 400 gigs for christs sake.
- What REASONABLE people want is for our connections to be fast..and service to be good and consistent.
- I don't want my 24/7 bandwidth hogging neighbor to take down my and others connections. Comcast has the RIGHT..and OBLIGATION..to PROTECT US.
Comcast doesn't have the right to prohibit P2P users as a category, but does have the right to ensure that users don't unduly interfere with other users. And you know I have zero tolerance for that. "Cut 'em off!"
If you don't want to have users that are simply heavy users of bandwidth (that don't interfere), then don't offer services to them. But if you do business with them, you are obligated (ethically, morally, legally?) to serve them and deliver the product that you described when they laid the money down.
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RickPremium,MVM
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Waterbury, CT | And does your local chinese buffet owe you "all you can eat" for a week, month or year for 6.99 simply because you laid your money down (and they didn't say in their tagline..all you can eat HERE in one sitting)?
I think it's the same thing. It's about being reasonable in ones expectations.
You paid what for your service..42.95? You say here you consumed over 120 gigs a month of bandwidth.
Rob..tell us. If that was a dedicated line...how much would you have paid? You say you're a professional in this industry..you should know or have a pretty good idea.
Did you get your 42.95's worth in that 125 gigs of data you consumed compared to what it cost the provider?
You see Rob..that is where I think you lose the argument completely. And, not just you..but all those consuming mega amounts of bandwidth. You're simply not being reasonable and are spinning words and meanings to fit your needs.
How much would a T1 cost you? 500 a month? And this was at what..4 times those speeds?
Does that make your 125 gigs worth maybe 1600.00 a month..that you paid 43 dollars for?
Perhaps someone can chime in who does buy bandwidth like this because I don't know how much it would cost.
I sure know it's a lot more than 43 bucks though.
Rob..with all due respect I see your suit as being like you hooked up your chain to that buffet table.dragged it home..fed your family and friends..and now want them to replenish it again for you.
And I don't think that's going to fly very well in court.
But..if you feel wronged..then so be it. This is America.the land of the free...and home of the lawsuits.
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funchordsHelloPremium,MVM
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1 edit | You paid what for your service..42.95? You say here you consumed over 120 gigs a month of bandwidth.
Rob..tell us. If that was a dedicated line...how much would you have paid? You say you're a professional in this industry..you should know or have a pretty good idea.
Did you get your 42.95's worth in that 125 gigs of data you consumed compared to what it cost the provider?
So my 120 GB a month. That works out to about 365 Kbps when averaged over the entire month.
If this was a T1, it would cost about $350 (many sources) to as low as $309 a month (Intercom, promo deal). But keep in mind that's a T1 1500 Kbps in each direction (3000 Kbps combined). I used about 365 Kbps or about 12% of that, so -- guess what Rick -- it works out to around $40.
So you lost your "unreasonableness" case completely. (That is if I bought this apples and oranges comparison, which I don't.)
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Who gives you permission to say what Comcast can and can not do? It's their network. IF you don't like it Robb then take your business else where.
The only thing you're going to do is get everyone a higher cable bill in the end so you can come back here and bitch some more that you're cable bill went up along with everyone elses.
But then again I hope you have big enough pockets so when it does NOT become a class action and they drag it through court you won't end up selling your house to them just to turn around and give the money back to them.
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funchordsHelloPremium,MVM
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kudos:5 | Kyle,
Who gives you permission to say what Comcast can and can not do? It's their network. IF you don't like it Robb then take your business else where. Kyle, I'm a Comcast customer and I have a contract. I'm also an American with the rights to an opinion and the freedom to speak it.
Let's say you rented a hotel room at the Marriott and after you accepted the room, they moved all of the furniture out? Should you just keep quiet and take your business elsewhere or do you do something about it?
The only thing you're going to do is get everyone a higher cable bill in the end so you can come back here and bitch some more that you're cable bill went up along with everyone elses. Maybe. But the risk of jacking up everyone's bill is that it provides incentive for more complaints, more customer defections, and the invitation of new competitors.
But then again I hope you have big enough pockets so when it does NOT become a class action and they drag it through court you won't end up selling your house to them just to turn around and give the money back to them.
Be prepared to lose. I don't have big pockets. My biggest vacation in two years was to go to the Stanford hearing. Might does not make right.
And what did I ever do to you? You must be in some real pain to treat other people like that.
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funchordsHelloPremium,MVM
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I just realized that our 150 GB/mo turned into 125 or 120 GB/mo somewhere in this calculation. That changes things a little bit. |
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I don't know robb topolski. I have no connection to this comcast business except as an interested spectator.
Those of us who spend considerable time here know that robb was at the center of uncovering the whole comcast forged rst issue from the beginning. This goes back to the middle of last year, if you are interested. Robb also went before the fcc earlier this year in april.
Suggesting that he is engaged in hiding some scheming or that a thread from july of 2008 "uncovered" some heretofore hidden information doesn't accord with the history of this issue.
You have been pretty clear in your opinion about this whole comcast business. If you aren't really aware of the way this issue has played out you should be forgiven your lack of awareness, but you shouldn't be trying to hint or imply that there is some underhanded plot on robb's part. |
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said by Rick:For my part..personally I think your suit is completely without merit and ranks with the kinds of things that are wrong with this countries legal system. I think the reason that there is merit, and why the FCC got pissed off as well as me is that Comcast flatly denied the use of sandvine once they were caught red handed. No big deal if they had just fessed up to begin with. But for a corporation as large as CC to just lie about something like that is just beyond me. Right there comcast earned its right to be monitored and to be held responsible to make all their moves transparent. Its their own freaking fault that they are on a short leash now. Had they just acknowledged the truth when faced with the facts they could have avoided being on a short leash with the FCC. I am convinced this is what put the FCC on their tail. Nobody likes being lied to. I fully support Robb and appreciate all his efforts making Comcast a honest company.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but sometimes I wonder if some posters work for comcast or what. I mean to you support a company that can drastically hamper your internet performance without telling you what, why or when? And if you find out what and when they tell you no were not? Its childish behavior nothing less. But if some want to defend this behavior then I guess that's their choice. |
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USA | said by HiDesert:Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but sometimes I wonder if some posters work for comcast or what. Makes sense, because a broadband site isn't much of one if it doesn't have broadband's ear. So if the site is overly critical, the broadband provider may leave.
So naturally, there will be Comcast types here, doing what they can to protect their jobs, too. Let alone the pirates and more defending downloading 1TB of data at everyone else's expense, too.
Meanwhile, end-users continue to get the shaft. Explains the business world to a "T".
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