sturmvogel
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Re: [Speed] Comcast to throttle individual users; all protocols
Should and could are 2 different things. Those of us that would like to upgrade to a business line are not offered that option.
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| said by sturmvogel :Should and could are 2 different things. Those of us that would like to upgrade to a business line are not offered that option. And this is why the business line garbage is just that. Comcast doesn't want you on a business line because it does nothing to alleviate oversold nodes or high bandwidth users impacting neighbors. If you were a heavy user on a 60$ line, you'd be the same on a $120 dollar line.
Every user who's answer to caps and throttling is to get a business line, doesn't understand DOCSIS and comcast's implementation of it. |
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sturmvogel
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said by MysticGogeta :It's funny you can't think that you can download 250 GB+ a month and expect it to last. If you use that much your probably pirating WAY to much or if your not you have no business being on a residential line. There is a sample of legal services.
»arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20···ity.html
... with the rise of Hulu, YouTube, Veoh, the BBC iPlayer, and many more, it's streaming traffic that now generates tremendous concern, even as P2P drops off in some cases. The shift, should it become a permanent trend, is good for everyone.
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sturmvogel
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said by delusion FTL :said by sturmvogel :Should and could are 2 different things. Those of us that would like to upgrade to a business line are not offered that option. And this is why the business line garbage is just that. Comcast doesn't want you on a business line because it does nothing to alleviate oversold nodes or high bandwidth users impacting neighbors. If you were a heavy user on a 60$ line, you'd be the same on a $120 dollar line. Every user who's answer to caps and throttling is to get a business line, doesn't understand DOCSIS and comcast's implementation of it. I agree with you.
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MysticGogeta
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What you want to tell me that you can hit over 250 GB using that (I use YouTube and Hulu VERY often and only hit 25 GB once)
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said by MysticGogeta :If you use that much your probably pirating WAY to much or if your not you have no business being on a residential line. I manage an open source project. Its Free. Non profit.
I do break the 250 limit every month, but not by much. Mostly due to backing up the websites, forums and source code.
My backups are scheduled to run early in the morning and at a reduced speed. (+rsync_long_args=--bwlimit=120)
Your telling me I that I have no business on a residential line?
Well then, where do you suggest I go? To a business line where I will be allowed to run wide open and at anytime of day?
I'm your neighbor. Which do you want on your node? |
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clubs: | Get a server then for that. |
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sturmvogel
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| said by MysticGogeta :Get a server then for that. He already has one off-site and apparently backs it up to his own machine at his site.
What is the issue with that ?
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clubs: | He could back up less often he even said
"I do break the 250 limit every month, but not by much."
If he backed up every 2 days then he would be fine.
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sturmvogel
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said by MysticGogeta :What you want to tell me that you can hit over 250 GB using that (I use YouTube and Hulu VERY often and only hit 25 GB once) They were examples of simple and popular things you could understand. Others that could be using bandwith are FTP transfers that have been around for about 25 years at least.
The fact that you are unable to generate traffic does not mean that others could not. Your car could top at 70 while an identical model could maybe do 180 with proper adjustments.
(Yes, I am aware of the 55 speed limit. This is an example dealing with performance tuning. If you would like to discuss the comparison more we could look at the 0-60 acceleration testing).
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said by MysticGogeta :Get a server then for that. I have a server. I wish to back up that data to my home.
I'm your neighbor. I am on the same node as you are.
Do you want me on a business line where I am allowed to do my backups full speed and at any time of the day with out regards to your surfing?
Or on the residential line, where I am considerate for my neighbors and reduce my speed and do my backups at night when most are sleeping?
said by MysticGogeta :If he backed up every 2 days then he would be fine. Its not about how much I download, its about impacting you as the user on the same node.
Or should I just get the business line and run the whole sha-bang (websites, forums, repositories....) from my home even if it degrades your service? |
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said by tshirt :No, but they do meter the water, and above a base amount (enough for every customer to flush, shower, wash clothes, etc. as needed within reasonable limitations) charge higher and higher rates per cubic foot, to make it prohibitively expensive to use more than normal amount. If progressively higher charges and fines don't curb excessive use, there usually is a legal mechanism to cut service. You've proved my point. A new throttling scheme is not necessary. There are existing and working methods to handle this problem that are more reasonable and more standard. Your example covers every level -- all the way to ending someone's connection to the service if their use simply isn't compatible to the service being offered.
I've maintained that all along. End someone's connection to the service if their use simply isn't compatible to the service being offered. But while you keep them, you must service them. And while you're selling Internet access, you have to be true to the brand, Internet. If I go to a gas station, they can't water down my gasoline because I don't also go inside their food store buy my groceries there! If you're in the Internet business, you can't single me out to throttle my connection because I've been a more expensive customer in the past 10 minutes.
While a customer is a customer acting within the bounds of his agreement, he deserves that service in return. It is owed to him, and it is wrongful to purposefully give any customer any less than everything the service offers to anyone else from moment to moment, day after day.
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MysticGogeta
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I doubt you will impact many at the times you stated for backing up your server with the reduced bandwidth.
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said by funchords : If I go to a gas station, they can't water down my gasoline because I don't also go inside their food store buy my groceries there! The other day I was driving and I saw a sign "Gas - $3.20".. "3.20!" I said to myself.
So I did a quick U-turn and pulled up to a pump. I get out of my car, swipe my credit card at the machine, insert the gas nozzle and waited for the famous "Please start pumping" message to come across the LCD screen.
It never showed up, You know why? Because it was a Costco gas station and I wasn't allowed to buy their gas unless I went inside and bought their membership.
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sturmvogel
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2 edits | said by Rob :said by funchords : If I go to a gas station, they can't water down my gasoline because I don't also go inside their food store buy my groceries there! The other day I was driving and I saw a sign "Gas - $3.20".. "3.20!" I said to myself. So I did a quick U-turn and pulled up to a pump. I get out of my car, swipe my credit card at the machine, insert the gas nozzle and waited for the famous "Please start pumping" message to come across the LCD screen. It never showed up, You know why? Because it was a Costco gas station and I wasn't allowed to buy their gas unless I went inside and bought their membership. I guess Costco can single us out, but Comcast can't. False analogy.
If you bought CostCo membership (analogous to Comcast service) CostCo could not put you in separate queue (slower) if you happened to drive a car that did not have Costco tires or you had shoes that you purchased at a different store than Costco.
Costco would also probably run into trouble if they kicked you out for pulling in with a 18 wheeler and pumping 150 gallons of fuel because you were "pumping too much" but they could not tell you how much you could buy not to run afoul of the glass ceiling rules.
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said by Rob :I guess Costco can single us out, but Comcast can't. Different situation. In my analogy, I paid for gasoline and got watered down product in return. In your analogy, you didn't pay or receive anything.
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said by MysticGogeta :It's funny you can't think that you can download 250 GB+ a month and expect it to last. If you use that much your probably pirating WAY to much or if your not you have no business being on a residential line. The landlady recently upgraded her DirecTV to HD+DVR. New HR-21 receiver has an Ethernet port; I have added the receiver to the LAN.
DirecTV offers a VoD ("Video-on-Demand") service through this receiver. Requires a broadband Internet connection. Technically, I suppose the HR-21 could pull the VoD through a satellite Internet connection; but it only requires a broadband Internet connection.
If I had "naked" cable Internet, I'd be pulling the VoD shows over the Comcast network (I have DSL, so it is the ATTIS transit network carrying DirecTV's buckets).
While I have not watched that much VoD, a look at the movies listed as available suggests that I could, easily, go over Comcast's 250 GB cap just using my Internet connection for DirecTV VoD.
Nothing pirated; this is from productions legally distributed through from the DirecTV system, through my (actually ATTIS, but could be Comcast) Internet connection.
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Re: [Speed] Comcast to throttle individual users; all protocols
This Topic is supposed to be about throttling, and we're trying to support Sorto's request to -- well -- keep them sorted.  |
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