ChrisXP
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Re: [Speed] Comcast to throttle individual users; all protocols
said by espaeth  :If they built it out to that level of capacity the overwhelming majority of folks would never be able to afford it, and the network would sit 90% idle. At this rate a T3 line looks good.
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jlivingood
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As I posted in a related thread - this may help inform the discussion (particularly the PDF below):
Folks interested in this topic may want to check out »www.comcast.net/networkmanagement/ (now and on an on-going basis for updates). One of the downloads at »downloads.comcast.net/docs/Comca···0528.pdf is also informative.
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gabeman
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I wonder how this will affect those of us who subscribe to Blast. What is the point of paying all of that money for extra speed? To get to the throttle point quicker? |
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Froggy
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I know because living in Canada all the cities of congestion are the cities where everyone is a welfare recipient. In America this would translate into the cities where no one works and lives on food stamps. Canada pays in welfare about the same as a working person makes in earnings. Moral is if you live in a city where no one works expect to be throttled and you know who to blame. |
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tshirt
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said by sturmvogel : said by tshirt : ..... business customer will shoulder the whole cost of their plant at extreme prices. Why then does it get repeated over and over as an obvious choice when it is clearly not ? I wish I had a dollar for every answer that said "get a business account" when describing my Comcastic experience. Because once the alternative,dedicated line w/service level agreement shows it's true cost, some business and heavy users will find a CC "business account" w/a limited service agreement, and maybe some bandwidth limits an acceptable mid priced alternative.
I don't think these phase will be very clearly defined, all will overlap, and acceptance will vary according to alternatives available in each area.
ComCast (or any other provider) will work hard, not to discontinue or discourage service to any customer (aquistion costs are too high) but instead attempt to upgrade/upsell them to a more appropriate level of service.
still I don't think they intend to have residential and unlimited (business) tiers, all tiers have some limitations. |
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sturmvogel
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said by gabeman :I wonder how this will affect those of us who subscribe to Blast. What is the point of paying all of that money for extra speed? To get to the throttle point quicker? You could read your emails from Comcast accusing you of "abuse" so much sooner and faster.
Think of Comcast, in my opinion, as the motorcycle of ISPs. Fast, unreliable, should not be used in rain, can hardly carry anything and to be used only when nothing else is available. Sure it is fast, but when you would actually like to get anywhere and do anything useful you may want to use a car.
Not that I have anything against motorcycles, just my personal observation as with my Comcastic "experience".
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sturmvogel
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said by tshirt :said by sturmvogel : said by tshirt : ..... business customer will shoulder the whole cost of their plant at extreme prices. Why then does it get repeated over and over as an obvious choice when it is clearly not ? I wish I had a dollar for every answer that said "get a business account" when describing my Comcastic experience. Because once the alternative,dedicated line w/service level agreement shows it's true cost, some business and heavy users will find a CC "business account" w/a limited service agreement, and maybe some bandwidth limits an acceptable mid priced alternative. I believe you are missing my point here. Once the "abuse" line is invoked for heavy usage, the business class service is NOT offerred AT ALL, even if repeatedly requested.
Cost is not a factor in that discussion. What you are trying to compare is the cost of the T1 or better service with its SLA's to the CC business offerings. This comparison is of interest only as an academic exercise since it does not apply in the vast majority of cases where it could be actually useful.
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TKJunkMail
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All good links. If people here in the forum take the time to read them, many of their questions on throttling will be answered.
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said by EG :said by TKJunkMail :By yourself, no. But if many users on your node are doing the same, as a group you could trigger the throttling and you could then be affected. Guy. Again, how do you know this for certain ?
I thought that an individual could trigger this (alleged) mechanism, and were going to be throttled ? Not unless the node you are on is under congestion.
»downloads.comcast.net/docs/Comca···0528.pdf
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said by trent25 :said by TKJunkMail :If there is NO node congestion, then no action would be taken to throttle users on that node. That sounds fair at first look. Why throttle users if no one's experience is being affected by those heavy users as long as they stay below the 250GB cap. But look at it from another angle. If I am on a node with very few users, I might not get throttled even if I max out my connection for an hour or 2 as long as not every user on my node does the same thing at the same time. Now consider I am on node with loads of users, during peak hours I'm probably gonna get throttled a few minuted after I start maxing out my connection. So how is that fair!?! Life isn't fair. Anyone beyond their teenage years learns that unpleasant fact of life.
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sturmvogel
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said by TKJunkMail :said by trent25 :said by TKJunkMail :If there is NO node congestion, then no action would be taken to throttle users on that node. That sounds fair at first look. Why throttle users if no one's experience is being affected by those heavy users as long as they stay below the 250GB cap. But look at it from another angle. If I am on a node with very few users, I might not get throttled even if I max out my connection for an hour or 2 as long as not every user on my node does the same thing at the same time. Now consider I am on node with loads of users, during peak hours I'm probably gonna get throttled a few minuted after I start maxing out my connection. So how is that fair!?! Life isn't fair. Anyone beyond their teenage years learns that unpleasant fact of life. The fact that life is not fair is not carte blanche for anyone to practice dishonesty as daily business.
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rexbinary
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SO glad I have FIOS. I couldn't deal with caps and throttling. |
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trent25
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It's good to see that so far Comcast is basing their heavy usage calculation on percentage use of provisioned speed and period of usage. So a customer paying more at least benefits by being throttled later, compared to a lower tier customer paying less.
I don't know if I missed it, but that presentation doesn't seem to indicate how long the decreased priority of a heavy user lasts, and how the determination is made. Is it a set time? Until congestion is gone? Recalculation is done after a certain period of time and things proceed from there on? |
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sturmvogel
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said by rexbinary :SO glad I have FIOS. I couldn't deal with caps and throttling. Do not forget the poor customer service, the outages and the menacing "abuse" department personnel.
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Rob
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| said by sturmvogel :said by rexbinary :SO glad I have FIOS. I couldn't deal with caps and throttling. Do not forget the poor customer service, the outages and the menacing "abuse" department personnel. Good thing you don't have to worry about any of that anymore! |
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sturmvogel
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| said by Rob :said by sturmvogel :said by rexbinary :SO glad I have FIOS. I couldn't deal with caps and throttling. Do not forget the poor customer service, the outages and the menacing "abuse" department personnel. Good thing you don't have to worry about any of that anymore! I am glad that you have such a positive attitude regarding my state of affairs. Sorry to dissapoint you, but at two of my rental properties I still have Comcast and have to deal with them, so the "experience" continues.
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Rob
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| said by sturmvogel :I am glad that you have such a positive attitude regarding my state of affairs. Sorry to dissapoint you, but at two of my rental properties I still have Comcast and have to deal with them, so the "experience" continues. I feel terrible.. for Comcast. |
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sturmvogel
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| said by Rob :said by sturmvogel :I am glad that you have such a positive attitude regarding my state of affairs. Sorry to dissapoint you, but at two of my rental properties I still have Comcast and have to deal with them, so the "experience" continues. I feel terrible.. for Comcast. You know, Rob, I usually do not walk away from a fight, but I do not wish to annoy the mods here so I will not pick up a fight with you.
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Cabal
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said by rexbinary :SO glad I have FIOS. I couldn't deal with caps and throttling. I'd much rather deal with a billing department that threatens my credit after overcharging me every month by 2-3x for a year despite calling in every month to have it "corrected."
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