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| Not Sprint, no sir! Sprint isn't going to make its customers wait. They're rolling it out now. said by Telephony Online :
Sprint is taking its Airave femtocell pilot commercial, announcing today it will begin selling the home base station technology on Aug. 17 to its customers across the country.
Ah, but wait. True to its grain (IMO), they're not gonna give anything away. quote:
Sprint, however, seems to be defying industry expectations for the service, charging customers both for the femtocell and the service, effectively asking subscribers to subsidize the cost of expanding network coverage.
»telephonyonline.com/access/news/···on-0730/ |
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Westminster, MD | Hmmm, pardon me if I misinterpret both yours and the reaction of a the quoted "hot air" analyst. It was always my impression that a company is in business to turn a profit, to make stockholders happy, you know that thing called capitalism?.
You want somebody to give you something, the mission/soup kitchen is down the block.
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KeysCaptPremium,Mod
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kudos:1 | I didn't write it, I just quoted it. |
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said by old_dawg:Hmmm, pardon me if I misinterpret both yours and the reaction of a the quoted "hot air" analyst. It was always my impression that a company is in business to turn a profit, to make stockholders happy, you know that thing called capitalism?. You want somebody to give you something, the mission/soup kitchen is down the block. I agree to a point. I guess it is good for them if they can get their customers to sub their rollout, though... That's not how 'small' business works. My problem is that there are different rules for the little business versus these mega corps. Let's not go overboard with the soup kitchen analogy. |
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 en102Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | reply to old_dawg
Sprint's still losing almost a million subs/quarter..... They have more important things to worry about than femtocell being cheap.
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said by KeysCapt:I didn't write it, I just quoted it. lol  |
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People aren't expecting Sprint to give them a femtocell, but the idea that you end up paying out of pocket to expand THEIR network is pretty low. Sprint should be investing in their network, not expecting customers to build their network on their dime.
There is a difference between expecting something for free and expecting a company to invest in itself.
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 wifi4milezBig Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace
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New York, NY | reply to KeysCapt
said by KeysCapt:Sprint isn't going to make its customers wait. They're rolling it out now. said by Telephony Online :
Sprint is taking its Airave femtocell pilot commercial, announcing today it will begin selling the home base station technology on Aug. 17 to its customers across the country.
Ah, but wait. True to its grain (IMO), they're not gonna give anything away. quote:
Sprint, however, seems to be defying industry expectations for the service, charging customers both for the femtocell and the service, effectively asking subscribers to subsidize the cost of expanding network coverage.
» telephonyonline.com/access/news/···on-0730/ Yeah its pretty crazy. I can understand charging for the unit, but to then charge existing customers an additional $5 per month just to use their (paid) minutes is nuts. I think Sprint should charge for an unlimited option while at home however, as this adds value to the customer.
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| said by JoeMama1 :
Yes, Sprint FINALLY released the Airave Femtocell and while I had for only less than a week, it works great! No problems at all, even under heavy network traffic. Yes, this should have been released a year ago but oh well, it is here not and local Sprint stores were selling out of these on the first day.
I lot of people complain that Sprint charges for this. Why shouldn't they? For free unlimited calls at home (where I'm on the phone most anyway) for your entire family (up to 5 phones) it is $20. Worth it for my family. Way better than VOIP because if internet is down, call is just sent over cell tower so less chance of missed calls.
May not be the year of the femtocell but certainly the beginning of the femtocell era.
But this poster says he gets free calls when using the femtocell. To me, that is worth it. |
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wifi4milezBig Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace
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New York, NY | said by NY Tel:said by JoeMama1 :
Yes, Sprint FINALLY released the Airave Femtocell and while I had for only less than a week, it works great! No problems at all, even under heavy network traffic. Yes, this should have been released a year ago but oh well, it is here not and local Sprint stores were selling out of these on the first day.
I lot of people complain that Sprint charges for this. Why shouldn't they? For free unlimited calls at home (where I'm on the phone most anyway) for your entire family (up to 5 phones) it is $20. Worth it for my family. Way better than VOIP because if internet is down, call is just sent over cell tower so less chance of missed calls.
May not be the year of the femtocell but certainly the beginning of the femtocell era.
But this poster says he gets free calls when using the femtocell. To me, that is worth it. Yes, Sprint offers unlimited service for up to 5 phones for an additional $20 per month if you have their femtocell. Thats a good deal for people who need it, and I fully support then (Sprint) doing it. My point was that if you simply want to use your regular minutes that you already pay for (and chose not to buy the unlimited plan), they stick you with an additional $5 per month, plus taxes and fess (which totals around $10). THAT is not worth it, and Sprint has taken so much heat over it that they are now giving the devices away for free, and waiving the $5 charge to basically anyone that asks.
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NY TelPremium
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kudos:3 | Yeah but I can't wait to see what Verizon Wireless is going to charge for it..... |
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 CylonRedPremium,MVM
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Bloom County | reply to NetAdmin1
But then if the company does not have the money and can't get new money (credit) then they have to do the next best thing and I am betting - they don't have a lot of cash hanging around and with the credit crunch and not a lot of really healthy VC's.... |
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BPremium,MVM
join:2000-10-28 | reply to NetAdmin1
Okay, I'm confused.
You can't mean that the femtocells will accept cellular traffic from just anybody? You mean they're not limited to registered phones of household members, but rather actually act as a cell tower to the general public?
Using up the homeowner's "private" broadband Internet bandwidth??
That can never fly in densely populated areas.
I was really high on the idea of femtocells until I read this. What's the story?
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1 edit | said by B:Okay, I'm confused. You can't mean that the femtocells will accept cellular traffic from just anybody? You mean they're not limited to registered phones of household members, but rather actually act as a cell tower to the general public? Using up the homeowner's "private" broadband Internet bandwidth??You have to register your SIM or ESN or phone number in order for it to work on the femtocell otherwise I would talk my neighbors into getting one....... That can never fly in densely populated areas. I was really high on the idea of femtocells until I read this. What's the story? -- B You have to register your cell/SIM/ESN/IMEI or what ever identifier for it to work.
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BPremium,MVM
join:2000-10-28 | Oh good. Thanks.
So then isn't "Sprint, however, seems to be defying industry expectations for the service, charging customers both for the femtocell and the service, effectively asking subscribers to subsidize the cost of expanding network coverage." a big fat load of hooey?
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wifi4milezBig Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace
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New York, NY | said by B:Oh good. Thanks. So then isn't "Sprint, however, seems to be defying industry expectations for the service, charging customers both for the femtocell and the service, effectively asking subscribers to subsidize the cost of expanding network coverage." a big fat load of hooey? -- B Yup! Thats whats so humorous about the whole situation. As
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wifi4milezBig Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace
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New York, NY | reply to NY Tel
said by NY Tel:said by B:Okay, I'm confused. You can't mean that the femtocells will accept cellular traffic from just anybody? You mean they're not limited to registered phones of household members, but rather actually act as a cell tower to the general public? Using up the homeowner's "private" broadband Internet bandwidth??You have to register your SIM or ESN or phone number in order for it to work on the femtocell otherwise I would talk my neighbors into getting one....... That can never fly in densely populated areas. I was really high on the idea of femtocells until I read this. What's the story? -- B You have to register your cell/SIM/ESN/IMEI or what ever identifier for it to work. Otherwise I would be convincing my neighbors that they needed it. Actually no! Out of the box the device will work with any Sprint device that comes into its range. You need to specifically limit it to certain phones, otherwise its basically wide open!
said by Sprint Airave User Guide Page 10 :
To prevent unauthorized users from accessing the base
station and diminishing your available bandwidth, the base
station can be secured to allow only a small pool of phones to
use it.
»www.sprint.com/cdma/assets/pdfs/···e_ug.pdf
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You have the OPTION to secure the device. The unit itself supports up to three calls at the same time. If you login into your Sprint account, you can add phones which are allowed to use your Airave device. All others will be denied. I do not live in a very populated area so I do not bother to lock mine down. One problem though is, if you lock the device down, for only a couple of phones and someone else comes wondering along and tries to use there own Sprint phone, they are denied the ability to make a call and will receive a message on there phone that they are on a restricted network and to move away from it. This is a huge problem for those in an urban area or apartment building since you effectively have a "legal" cell phone jammer. Lets hope a firmware update in the future fixes this.
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join:2000-10-28 | Well that sounds like a mess in the making. The handsets won't simply roam to the available, weaker signal from the regular tower?
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said by swintec:....... One problem though is, if you lock the device down, for only a couple of phones and someone else comes wondering along and tries to use there own Sprint phone, they are denied the ability to make a call and will receive a message on there phone that they are on a restricted network and to move away from it. This is a huge problem for those in an urban area or apartment building since you effectively have a "legal" cell phone jammer. Lets hope a firmware update in the future fixes this. That is a major flaw. See that's because they probably write lousy Methods & Procedures for their services.
Bad product Development. Really. |
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