 old_dawg"I Know Noting..."
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Re: Not Sprint, no sir! Hmmm, pardon me if I misinterpret both yours and the reaction of a the quoted "hot air" analyst. It was always my impression that a company is in business to turn a profit, to make stockholders happy, you know that thing called capitalism?.
You want somebody to give you something, the mission/soup kitchen is down the block.
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said by old_dawg:Hmmm, pardon me if I misinterpret both yours and the reaction of a the quoted "hot air" analyst. It was always my impression that a company is in business to turn a profit, to make stockholders happy, you know that thing called capitalism?. You want somebody to give you something, the mission/soup kitchen is down the block. I agree to a point. I guess it is good for them if they can get their customers to sub their rollout, though... That's not how 'small' business works. My problem is that there are different rules for the little business versus these mega corps. Let's not go overboard with the soup kitchen analogy. |
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 en102Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | reply to old_dawg
Sprint's still losing almost a million subs/quarter..... They have more important things to worry about than femtocell being cheap.
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said by KeysCapt:I didn't write it, I just quoted it. lol  |
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People aren't expecting Sprint to give them a femtocell, but the idea that you end up paying out of pocket to expand THEIR network is pretty low. Sprint should be investing in their network, not expecting customers to build their network on their dime.
There is a difference between expecting something for free and expecting a company to invest in itself.
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Bloom County | But then if the company does not have the money and can't get new money (credit) then they have to do the next best thing and I am betting - they don't have a lot of cash hanging around and with the credit crunch and not a lot of really healthy VC's.... |
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BPremium,MVM
join:2000-10-28 | reply to NetAdmin1
Okay, I'm confused.
You can't mean that the femtocells will accept cellular traffic from just anybody? You mean they're not limited to registered phones of household members, but rather actually act as a cell tower to the general public?
Using up the homeowner's "private" broadband Internet bandwidth??
That can never fly in densely populated areas.
I was really high on the idea of femtocells until I read this. What's the story?
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1 edit | said by B:Okay, I'm confused. You can't mean that the femtocells will accept cellular traffic from just anybody? You mean they're not limited to registered phones of household members, but rather actually act as a cell tower to the general public? Using up the homeowner's "private" broadband Internet bandwidth??You have to register your SIM or ESN or phone number in order for it to work on the femtocell otherwise I would talk my neighbors into getting one....... That can never fly in densely populated areas. I was really high on the idea of femtocells until I read this. What's the story? -- B You have to register your cell/SIM/ESN/IMEI or what ever identifier for it to work.
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join:2000-10-28 | Oh good. Thanks.
So then isn't "Sprint, however, seems to be defying industry expectations for the service, charging customers both for the femtocell and the service, effectively asking subscribers to subsidize the cost of expanding network coverage." a big fat load of hooey?
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 wifi4milezBig Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace
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New York, NY | said by B:Oh good. Thanks. So then isn't "Sprint, however, seems to be defying industry expectations for the service, charging customers both for the femtocell and the service, effectively asking subscribers to subsidize the cost of expanding network coverage." a big fat load of hooey? -- B Yup! Thats whats so humorous about the whole situation. As
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wifi4milezBig Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace
join:2004-08-07
New York, NY | reply to NY Tel
said by NY Tel:said by B:Okay, I'm confused. You can't mean that the femtocells will accept cellular traffic from just anybody? You mean they're not limited to registered phones of household members, but rather actually act as a cell tower to the general public? Using up the homeowner's "private" broadband Internet bandwidth??You have to register your SIM or ESN or phone number in order for it to work on the femtocell otherwise I would talk my neighbors into getting one....... That can never fly in densely populated areas. I was really high on the idea of femtocells until I read this. What's the story? -- B You have to register your cell/SIM/ESN/IMEI or what ever identifier for it to work. Otherwise I would be convincing my neighbors that they needed it. Actually no! Out of the box the device will work with any Sprint device that comes into its range. You need to specifically limit it to certain phones, otherwise its basically wide open!
said by Sprint Airave User Guide Page 10 :
To prevent unauthorized users from accessing the base
station and diminishing your available bandwidth, the base
station can be secured to allow only a small pool of phones to
use it.
»www.sprint.com/cdma/assets/pdfs/···e_ug.pdf
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You have the OPTION to secure the device. The unit itself supports up to three calls at the same time. If you login into your Sprint account, you can add phones which are allowed to use your Airave device. All others will be denied. I do not live in a very populated area so I do not bother to lock mine down. One problem though is, if you lock the device down, for only a couple of phones and someone else comes wondering along and tries to use there own Sprint phone, they are denied the ability to make a call and will receive a message on there phone that they are on a restricted network and to move away from it. This is a huge problem for those in an urban area or apartment building since you effectively have a "legal" cell phone jammer. Lets hope a firmware update in the future fixes this.
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join:2000-10-28 | Well that sounds like a mess in the making. The handsets won't simply roam to the available, weaker signal from the regular tower?
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said by swintec:....... One problem though is, if you lock the device down, for only a couple of phones and someone else comes wondering along and tries to use there own Sprint phone, they are denied the ability to make a call and will receive a message on there phone that they are on a restricted network and to move away from it. This is a huge problem for those in an urban area or apartment building since you effectively have a "legal" cell phone jammer. Lets hope a firmware update in the future fixes this. That is a major flaw. See that's because they probably write lousy Methods & Procedures for their services.
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That thing called supply and demand is kicking Sprints behind in the capitalism game you speak of. The fact that there is more AND MUCH better supply like Verizon for example that actually puts in a lot of towers instead of expecting their customers to make the coverage happen themselves.
The femtocell product minus some exceptions is an insult to cell phone owners world wide. Why should we already be paying the going rate to have coverage... BUT THEN have the company tell us to pay for the equipment AND THE ACCESS (IP) if we want to have the quality we have already paid for?
Just say no to that crap... get a decent provider and call in to mention bad reception areas. I have done this with Verizon and seen towers go up in a year... maybe that was lucky or an exception but it is no mystery why Verizon has the highest rated cellphone product... good network and good service to back it up.
Of course Sprint already has the femtocell... and they want you to pay for it. HA!... that is cheaper than building the towers they need so badly and they don't have to pay for it... what a joke. They better be paying for the equipment AND be giving a fee for the broadband they are leaching off of or else someone is getting the shaft.
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| said by veloslave:That thing called supply and demand is kicking Sprints behind in the capitalism game you speak of. The fact that there is more AND MUCH better supply like Verizon for example that actually puts in a lot of towers instead of expecting their customers to make the coverage happen themselves. Of course Sprint already has the femtocell... and they want you to pay for it. HA!... that is cheaper than building the towers they need so badly and they don't have to pay for it... what a joke. They better be paying for the equipment AND be giving a fee for the broadband they are leaching off of or else someone is getting the shaft. /vent Nonsense. Your beloved Verizon is also planning on rolling out their own femtocell product. It's not really in VZW's nature to give anything away so expect to see them charge for theirs too... |
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said by wifi4milez:Actually no! Out of the box the device will work with any Sprint device that comes into its range. You need to specifically limit it to certain phones, otherwise its basically wide open! Lovely. So, just like wireless access point, wide-open, not secure by default is now going to be affecting cell phones. You would think that device security, especially on a pay service, would be a high priority. Sprint better make the instructions and warnings about the security settings prominent and clear for the average customer.
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| said by NetAdmin1:said by wifi4milez:Actually no! Out of the box the device will work with any Sprint device that comes into its range. You need to specifically limit it to certain phones, otherwise its basically wide open! Lovely. So, just like wireless access point, wide-open, not secure by default is now going to be affecting cell phones. You would think that device security, especially on a pay service, would be a high priority. Sprint better make the instructions and warnings about the security settings prominent and clear for the average customer. Any minutes used while on the device, by a stranger or not...would come out of the individual subscribers minutes and not the owner of the Airave device. The most the owner is losing is a bit of bandwidth...although if there connection is metered or they have caps...this could be a problem.
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| said by swintec:Any minutes used while on the device, by a stranger or not...would come out of the individual subscribers minutes and not the owner of the Airave device. The most the owner is losing is a bit of bandwidth...although if there connection is metered or they have caps...this could be a problem. Because the device only accepts a finite number of devices, I think it is three, if you are in a heavily populated area, like a city or suburb, and your femtocell is wide open, people in your area can conceivable connect to your device and prevent you from connecting. Think of it as an unintended DoS.
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