Topic 'Re: Hmm.. they'll throttle me back to' in forum '' - dslreports.com http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hmm-theyll-throttle-me-back-to-20984217 en Fri, 10 Feb 2012 00:07:08 EDT Fri, 10 Feb 2012 00:07:08 EDT Re: Hmm.. they'll throttle me back to http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hmm-theyll-throttle-me-back-to-21002066 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hmm-theyll-throttle-me-back-to-21002066 Mon, 25 Aug 2008 04:23:53 EDT Re: Hmm.. they'll throttle me back to http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hmm-theyll-throttle-me-back-to-21002059 said by baineschile:

Maybe when people stop downloading pirated movies and software at a staggering rate, ISPs wouldnt have to do it for everyone.

Thanks a lot, piraters, for making the experience rough for everyone
i agree, in the sense that we're starting to be given a lot more power on the internet bandwidth-wise... we have the power to do more and more illegal activities on the internet, in which i dont think our economy will be blind to (or anyone else in the world)...
however, it will be more and more important to eventually be able to distinguish between the attempt to dissuade this piracy and the idea of the ISP's and software companies' breach of the individual's freedom and privacy...
i do not see anything wrong with a reasonable limit, as long as you get a warning and that this limit is, in fact, reasonable... and maybe if the user passed the limit but didn't do anything illegal, could give proof (for example, what if 10 people lived in the house, or the user has a subscription to an online movie service and watches a lot of movies)... besides, you get a warning at first, and i do believe that 250 GB is reasonable, even for minor pirates... which i blame no one for being prone to some sort of malice in one form or another, as long as its intents was not to profit off other people or depend on it...
forgive me if the writing sounds despotic, this is just an opinion and i dont believe this is the "right way," but i would prefer it]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hmm-theyll-throttle-me-back-to-21002059 Mon, 25 Aug 2008 04:23:28 EDT Re: Hmm.. they'll throttle me back to http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hmm-theyll-throttle-me-back-to-21002050 said by baineschile:

Maybe when people stop downloading pirated movies and software at a staggering rate, ISPs wouldnt have to do it for everyone.

Thanks a lot, piraters, for making the experience rough for everyone
You're giving credit to the wrong group of cretins. Thank a) The Bozo's in Wishington for not having anything resembling a national broadband policy. Thank b) The appointed Bozo heading up the FCC, for letting ISPs do this sort of thing without even a challenge. Than c) The Wize Guys, aka the Management Team. You can bet they'll all get six to seven figure bonuses for pushing through THROTTLING and OVERAGE at the same time! Imagine the money they'll save by fapping, and the money they'll earn by overaging. And they get to dump their most expensive users onto their competitors (ha! what competitors.. co-conspirators...) and lastly, and most importantly, you forgot to thank yourself, for if people didn't buy stock lock and barrel the propaganda put out by biased sources for charging people more and more for less and less (those darn pyrates again, aaaaargh!) and questioned their corporate bosses a little more often, we'd all be better off.

I used to tease Aussie friends on IRC about their metered Internet. Soon they might be laughing at me - however I am hoping that my ISP, already once capped and saw the futility of it, will keep it's independence from the Comcasts of the world. I'd rather pay money to the Dolans than to "Prepare to be assimilated". :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hmm-theyll-throttle-me-back-to-21002050 Mon, 25 Aug 2008 01:46:16 EDT Re: Hmm.. they'll throttle me back to http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hmm-theyll-throttle-me-back-to-20995806 said by ieolus:(modified slightly):

Are you saying that Comcast is making business decisions on their common carrier internet business to help out their cable business?
Yes, that's what he is saying.

Note to MacLeech: Sort of. If I'm reading the case right, it was actually the FCC that made cable an "information service" and the Supreme Court recognized that fact in reaching its decision. While that might seem to some like a distinction without a difference, it seems to me that the FCC would be permitted to reclassify it without going to the Supreme Court. (I'm not a lawyer, so there's a good chance I'm wrong.)
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hmm-theyll-throttle-me-back-to-20995806 Sat, 23 Aug 2008 15:28:06 EDT Re: Hmm.. they'll throttle me back to http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hmm-theyll-throttle-me-back-to-20995799 said by BenAthar :

I would use another ISP, but since Comcast is the only franchise in this town, I would rather use dial-up or DSL instead.

You can get dial-up ANYWHERE you have a phone connection. What you are really saying is "Comcast is the only provider here that fits my needs/wants." If you really meant that statement, you would not be a customer of Comcast.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hmm-theyll-throttle-me-back-to-20995799 Sat, 23 Aug 2008 15:25:07 EDT Re: Hmm.. they'll throttle me back to http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hmm-theyll-throttle-me-back-to-20995189 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hmm-theyll-throttle-me-back-to-20995189 Sat, 23 Aug 2008 12:23:36 EDT Re: Hmm.. they'll throttle me back to http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hmm-theyll-throttle-me-back-to-20994603 I would use another ISP, but since Comcast is the only franchise in this town, I would rather use dial-up or DSL instead.
I don't believe that there should be limits. Isn't this what Cable companies want to do in the first place, to advance the telecommunications industry and all of the players in it? Time Warner and Charter are trying to, but Comcast wants to be a holdout and direct everything else and not adhere to the same standards as everyone else. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hmm-theyll-throttle-me-back-to-20994603 Sat, 23 Aug 2008 09:23:01 EDT Re: Hmm.. they'll throttle me back to http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hmm-theyll-throttle-me-back-to-20991199 said by Alcohol:

However don't you think this is a step in the wrong direction? Everyone knows American broadband is no way as advanced as the worlds, and instead of changing that we're putting limits on our outdated technology so we don't have to upgrade.

Way to go Comcast.
Correct. China, for example, has a 25Gig/day limit. If ComCast set those kinds of limits, I'd be happy!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hmm-theyll-throttle-me-back-to-20991199 Fri, 22 Aug 2008 16:25:37 EDT Re: Hmm.. they'll throttle me back to http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hmm-theyll-throttle-me-back-to-20991384 all of its customers, including those who use p2p for all too legal purposes.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hmm-theyll-throttle-me-back-to-20991384 Fri, 22 Aug 2008 15:42:07 EDT Re: Hmm.. they'll throttle me back to http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hmm-theyll-throttle-me-back-to-20991323 said by espaeth:

You make it sound like the other providers aren't lying about their capacity. If every subscriber started using 250GB/mo on their $30-$60 FiOS/DSL/BPL/Muni-wifi/DOCSIS/U-verse connection the entire cost model would fail.
Lying does not equal reasonable oversubscribing or bandwidth aggregating or statistical multiplexing or whatever they're calling it these days.

I think if a provider can, with 95% or percent assurance or so, deliver a particular tier to a customer who subscribes to it -- I'd be hard pressed to call that ISP a liar. (By the way, that's just my perception -- I'm still looking for an industry model or a consumer standard for oversubscription and it doesn't seem to exist.)

said by espaeth:

I have a 5mbps DSL line from Embarq that from June until just last week I could only hit peak rates of just 2.5mbps on, and average rates stayed buried below 1mbps and latency was consistently 300+ms to any Internet destination.
That's pretty nasty.

said by espaeth:

In talking with the techs, they have something like 80 subscribers off our remote terminal DSLAM -- and it was previously only fed with 45mbps of capacity. If only 9 of those 80-something subscribers were 5mbps users that liked to push their line to the max, that would have worked to saturate the node for everyone.
Yeah, that would be a good example of the same effect on the DSL side.
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(I think Gertrude Stein's copyright on the "rose" phrase has expired, though I'm not sure, what with copyright law being so screwed up now.)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hmm-theyll-throttle-me-back-to-20991224 Fri, 22 Aug 2008 15:19:07 EDT Re: Hmm.. they'll throttle me back to http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hmm-theyll-throttle-me-back-to-20989261 said by funchords:

You're right, except for my motives. I should have said "Cable." I said "Comcast" because that's the current example. DSL providers are far from immune from this though -- scan the Qwest and Embarq forums. I have a 5mbps DSL line from Embarq that from June until just last week I could only hit peak rates of just 2.5mbps on, and average rates stayed buried below 1mbps and latency was consistently 300+ms to any Internet destination. Compared to ATT and Verizon, Embarq got screwed because Sprint took backbone and wireless services in the split and those are the divisions that usually keep the ship afloat during LEC infrastructure upgrades.

Embarq did just upgrade the DSLAM from DS3 to OC3 attachment last week, but they had to upgrade the neighborhood mux from an OC12 to OC48, roll trunks, and do a bunch of other pre-work to get there. In talking with the techs, they have something like 80 subscribers off our remote terminal DSLAM -- and it was previously only fed with 45mbps of capacity. If only 9 of those 80-something subscribers were 5mbps users that liked to push their line to the max, that would have worked to saturate the node for everyone.

There are vast areas of network infrastructure among all of the providers that are far from meeting the kind of demand that people want to drive.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hmm-theyll-throttle-me-back-to-20989261 Fri, 22 Aug 2008 09:08:14 EDT Re: Hmm.. they'll throttle me back to http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hmm-theyll-throttle-me-back-to-20989138 said by espaeth:

said by funchords:

No - what has happened instead is that Comcast has mis-managed its network in order to fudge the perception of the actual bandwidth subscribers have access to in a competition with lower-priced DSL and more-capable FIOS.
You make it sound like the other providers aren't lying about their capacity. If every subscriber started using 250GB/mo on their $30-$60 FiOS/DSL/BPL/Muni-wifi/DOCSIS/U-verse connection the entire cost model would fail.

The entire advertising model for EVERY player in this space is based on BS. To single out a single broadband provider for this practice is simply being disingenuous.
Comcast has been the most aggressive in its misleading marketing, ham fisted approach in punishing its users and total disregard of the Federal Communications Comission trying to find out the facts and enforce the law. Cry me a river if Comcast takes the brunt of the wrath of the user community and the federal government.
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While what you state regarding Comcast is true, none of that has anything to do with network neutrality.
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said by aciddrink:

What about those of us that stream netflix, download linux distros and/or movies from Itunes? We can easily consume as much or more bandwidth than a 'pirate' can, especially in a household.
Yea, and why would Comcast want to make that easy for you to do? Then you'll buy less PPV movies, premium mvie channels, etc., from them.

This policy makes business sense from Comcasts POV. They provide HSI to compete with DSL, NOT to cannabalize their high-margin TV offerings. So as long as you get an "above DSL" experience, you should be happy, right?

This is just like Frontier's cap - obviously, the only "appropriate" use for HSI is browsing, email, etc.: anything that doesn't threaten their other businesses.
Are you saying that Comcast is making business decisions on their common carrier internet business to help out their cable business?
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The entire advertising model for EVERY player in this space is based on BS. To single out a single broadband provider for this practice is simply being disingenuous.
You're right, except for my motives. I should have said "Cable." I said "Comcast" because that's the current example.

And I should say "Cable, generally" because it has to do with the size and number of subscribers in the shared bandwidth pool -- and not every Cable and DSL provider has copied every other one.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hmm-theyll-throttle-me-back-to-20988506 Fri, 22 Aug 2008 00:53:00 EDT Re: Hmm.. they'll throttle me back to http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hmm-theyll-throttle-me-back-to-20987201 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hmm-theyll-throttle-me-back-to-20987201 Thu, 21 Aug 2008 23:30:46 EDT Re: Hmm.. they'll throttle me back to http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hmm-theyll-throttle-me-back-to-20987440 said by funchords:

No - what has happened instead is that Comcast has mis-managed its network in order to fudge the perception of the actual bandwidth subscribers have access to in a competition with lower-priced DSL and more-capable FIOS.You make it sound like the other providers aren't lying about their capacity. If every subscriber started using 250GB/mo on their $30-$60 FiOS/DSL/BPL/Muni-wifi/DOCSIS/U-verse connection the entire cost model would fail.

The entire advertising model for EVERY player in this space is based on BS. To single out a single broadband provider for this practice is simply being disingenuous.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hmm-theyll-throttle-me-back-to-20987440 Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:01:41 EDT Re: Hmm.. they'll throttle me back to http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hmm-theyll-throttle-me-back-to-20987103 said by hopeflicker:

said by baineschile:

Maybe when people stop downloading pirated movies and software at a staggering rate, ISPs wouldnt have to do it for everyone.

Thanks a lot, piraters, for making the experience rough for everyone
perhaps cable ISPs need to upgrade their network.
Docsis 1 and 2, pffftt!. LOL
thats what all the capping/throttling is for, so they won't have to put $$$ in upgrades. only upgrading they want to do is 100ft yacht to 150ft yacht for CxO's and big 50 foot televisions.
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said by aciddrink:

What about those of us that stream netflix, download linux distros and/or movies from Itunes? We can easily consume as much or more bandwidth than a 'pirate' can, especially in a household.
Yea, and why would Comcast want to make that easy for you to do? Then you'll buy less PPV movies, premium mvie channels, etc., from them.

This policy makes business sense from Comcasts POV. They provide HSI to compete with DSL, NOT to cannabalize their high-margin TV offerings. So as long as you get an "above DSL" experience, you should be happy, right?

This is just like Frontier's cap - obviously, the only "appropriate" use for HSI is browsing, email, etc.: anything that doesn't threaten their other businesses.
Because none of that is illegal? :uhh:]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hmm-theyll-throttle-me-back-to-20987052 Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:37:32 EDT Re: Hmm.. they'll throttle me back to http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hmm-theyll-throttle-me-back-to-20987045 said by en102:

6Mbps ? I could live with that.
The problem that I've noticed (been on Cable for a few days from DSL).
DSL = VERY stable. On a 3Mbps DSL line, I will hit max 99% of the time, and latency will not change
Cable = Faster (6Mbps/512kbps), however, speeds will vary, as will latency.

Skypeout actually ran better on 3Mbps DSL than 6Mbps cable.
Should be 6/1 now. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hmm-theyll-throttle-me-back-to-20987045 Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:36:36 EDT Re: Hmm.. they'll throttle me back to http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hmm-theyll-throttle-me-back-to-20986875 said by ThrowDemsOut:

And with that statement you become one of those perverting the whole idea of net neutrality from its original meaning - an ISP discriminating against 3rd party companies to give preference to their own products. If that's true, then I don't care.

A lot of people that don't know much about how the Internet was designed have tried to define Network Neutrality based upon their ideas of who might exploit the Internet and how (such as Yoogle paying an ISP to delay or degrade Gahoo's traffic).

But the root idea that the network neutrality principles are about is preserving the Internet's history of non-discrimination.

said by ThrowDemsOut:

Your definition of net neutrality tries to say an ISP has no right to manage its network at all, except by endlessly expanding capacity to satisfy the needs of the most rapacious users.
For God's sake, Comcast has a right to manage its network. It also has a responsibility to follow the standards and practices that have evolved the Internet to this point.

Managing the network doesn't mean delaying, degrading, or denying access to people who are acting legally and within the confines of their service agreements.

If someone is exceeding their service agreement, then Comcast has a right to manage its network. Shut them off.

If Comcast's technology cannot handle so many users, then Comcast has a right to manage its network. Stop selling subscriptions.

If Comcast is unwilling to upgrade their network as fast as user demands indicate that they should, then Comcast has a right to manage its network. Create lower tiers.

No - what has happened instead is that Comcast has mis-managed its network in order to fudge the perception of the actual bandwidth subscribers have access to in a competition with lower-priced DSL and more-capable FIOS.

Comcast, with 14 million HSI subscribers under it, is trying to create an Internet where there is a penalty for people to use or innovate with high-bandwidth applications. And while there's always been a limit to a subscriber's bandwidth, Comcast is trying to create a second limit.

And while they're conducting this so-called trial of these non-disclosed thresholds, how can innovators on the other side of the globe be expected to test against them?

What kind of trial is this? They haven't disclosed anything useful to people that need to be conducting tests during this trial. The one expectation that they have set -- "it'll be like a very fast DSL line" they can't possibly guarantee based on the prioritization scheme that they've been describing up to this point!

They ought to stop this nonsense now.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hmm-theyll-throttle-me-back-to-20986875 Thu, 21 Aug 2008 18:59:25 EDT Re: Hmm.. they'll throttle me back to http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hmm-theyll-throttle-me-back-to-20986777 said by wentlanc:

You NEVER have your backup media on the site!

And are ISPs counting their own data backup services in the caps?

:huh:

cw
From the article below. This question is answered. Is this lawful or an anti consumer lawsuit waiting to be exposed? I have no idea.

Frontier Plans To Enforce 5GB Cap In 'December Or January'
Technician hints that Frontier's own services won't count against cap....

»Frontier Plans To Enforce 5GB Cap In 'December Or January'

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we are not currently enforcing this policy and we have been informed that, at the present, the plan is to start the enforcement part of the policy in December or January. . . I do know that we have been made aware that certain activities such as carbonite backup and other services we offer can be excluded from the bandwidth usage.In other words, bandwidth used by Frontier's online storage services won't count against your cap, but similar competing services will

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Thanks a lot, piraters, for making the experience rough for everyoneWell, since you aren't pirating you aren't exceeding 250GB/month, so the whole throtting issue isn't an issue for you.

But if you do exceed 250GB/month and you aren't pirating music, then your logic fails and it's not just pirate's fault.

Or if you do exceed 250GB/month and you are pirating, well, your criticizing thanking yourself apparently.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hmm-theyll-throttle-me-back-to-20986614 Thu, 21 Aug 2008 18:01:09 EDT Re: Hmm.. they'll throttle me back to http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hmm-theyll-throttle-me-back-to-20986589 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hmm-theyll-throttle-me-back-to-20986589 Thu, 21 Aug 2008 17:56:57 EDT Re: Hmm.. they'll throttle me back to http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hmm-theyll-throttle-me-back-to-20986429 said by funchords:

said by meh37 :

A packet is a packet is a packet => first come, first served. Everyone has the same opportunity to use, or not use, their connectivity. We all pay for 24/7 access up to a certain speed, depending on the tier you choose. If a network is congested, then you have the same opportunity to wait for your turn as everyone else does. That's what it means to be on a network, especially one being used by more people than the number for which it was designed.
Awesome! I hope you don't mind that I stole this.
And with that statement you become one of those perverting the whole idea of net neutrality from its original meaning - an ISP discriminating against 3rd party companies to give preference to their own products.

Your definition of net neutrality tries to say an ISP has no right to manage its network at all, except by endlessly expanding capacity to satisfy the needs of the most rapacious users.
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A packet is a packet is a packet => first come, first served. Everyone has the same opportunity to use, or not use, their connectivity. We all pay for 24/7 access up to a certain speed, depending on the tier you choose. If a network is congested, then you have the same opportunity to wait for your turn as everyone else does. That's what it means to be on a network, especially one being used by more people than the number for which it was designed.
Awesome! I hope you don't mind that I stole this.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hmm-theyll-throttle-me-back-to-20986343 Thu, 21 Aug 2008 17:09:17 EDT Re: Hmm.. they'll throttle me back to http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hmm-theyll-throttle-me-back-to-20986238 said by wentlanc:

How long of a cable do you use to connect to your offsite disk? That's the whole point of online backup. You NEVER have your backup media on the site!The problem with doing your whole system is that online backups come with real limitations when it comes to time. With 6/1 cable service, assuming you upload at the full 1mbps constantly, it would take you almost 23 days of uploading 24x7 to push 250GB to your upstream backup provider. Heck, even if you had a FiOS 20/20 connection and you could push 20mbps constantly it would take you 27 hours.

Most incidents of data loss aren't of the "my house burned down" variety. Most of the time it's things like accidental deletion, hard drive failure, or other equipment failure that leads to drive corruption. Having some repository of the data locally helps you expedite restores in that event.

You don't need a long cable, you just need 2 USB drives. You keep one drive in an offsite location (ie, I keep mine in my desk drawer at work). Keep the other drive hooked up to your computer for backups. Start off by doing a full backup using a program like TrueImage so that you can do a bare-metal restore to a full functioning system image. Once that backup is complete, take the drive to your off-site location and copy all of the backup files over.

Then take the backup drive home again, and setup backup software to do incremental file-level backups on a daily basis to the same USB drive. Configure your computer to archive just the incremental files to your on-line data backup provider.

If you have a local failure (ie, hard drive failure), you can restore directly from the USB drive very rapidly because you can move data at 10-20MB/sec (80-160mbps). Then in the rare case if you have a full catastrophic failure, you can go to your offsite location to grab the full backup, and proceed with downloading all of the incremental updates you had online. Overall you could probably still be up and running again within a day.

I use a system similar to this for my personal backups -- on average I only make a full backup about twice a year and rely on incremental backups for the duration in between.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hmm-theyll-throttle-me-back-to-20986238 Thu, 21 Aug 2008 16:47:18 EDT Re: Hmm.. they'll throttle me back to http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hmm-theyll-throttle-me-back-to-20985998
And are ISPs counting their own data backup services in the caps?

:huh:

cw]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hmm-theyll-throttle-me-back-to-20985998 Thu, 21 Aug 2008 15:55:43 EDT Re: Hmm.. they'll throttle me back to http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hmm-theyll-throttle-me-back-to-20985651 said by NOCMan:

If caps become commonplace then you can kiss the online backup industry goodbye. A lot of people have digital media collections that exceed 250G.This can be addressed by having a sane backup strategy -- like a full backup to a USB drive kept offsite followed up with automated daily incremental backups to an on-line backup provider.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hmm-theyll-throttle-me-back-to-20985651 Thu, 21 Aug 2008 14:51:20 EDT Re: Hmm.. they'll throttle me back to http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hmm-theyll-throttle-me-back-to-20985558 said by en102:

DSL = VERY stable. On a 3Mbps DSL line, I will hit max 99% of the time, and latency will not change
Cable = Faster (6Mbps/512kbps), however, speeds will vary, as will latency.
I think the main point here is that phone companies don't oversell their bandwidth, which is why they are stable and Cable is not.
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Way to go Comcast. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hmm-theyll-throttle-me-back-to-20985394 Thu, 21 Aug 2008 14:23:33 EDT Re: Hmm.. they'll throttle me back to http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hmm-theyll-throttle-me-back-to-20985333 first come, first served. Everyone has the same opportunity to use, or not use, their connectivity. We all pay for 24/7 access up to a certain speed, depending on the tier you choose. If a network is congested, then you have the same opportunity to wait for your turn as everyone else does. That's what it means to be on a network, especially one being used by more people than the number for which it was designed. Comcast should spend more money on upgrading their network instead of their corporate headquarters... it's not like they aren't making plenty of profit off of their customers.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hmm-theyll-throttle-me-back-to-20985333 Thu, 21 Aug 2008 14:14:26 EDT Re: Hmm.. they'll throttle me back to http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hmm-theyll-throttle-me-back-to-20985275 said by baineschile1 :

I support the whole "all you can eat buffet" style internet, but the problem is the people that spend all day at the buffet, and eat 75 lobster tails. That has driven up the cost of business for EVERYONE, now comcast has to implement technology to govern all of this, which will of course, come with costs.
Sounds good, but its just not true.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hmm-theyll-throttle-me-back-to-20985275 Thu, 21 Aug 2008 14:06:12 EDT Re: Hmm.. they'll throttle me back to http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hmm-theyll-throttle-me-back-to-20985091 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hmm-theyll-throttle-me-back-to-20985091 Thu, 21 Aug 2008 13:33:25 EDT Re: Hmm.. they'll throttle me back to http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hmm-theyll-throttle-me-back-to-20985046
Welcome to my all you can eat buffet! Oh goodness, you're eating too fast! Obviously the food my suppliers send me is too tasty, I'll have to start billing them as well! Despite the fact that without those suppliers my business would have nothing to offer.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hmm-theyll-throttle-me-back-to-20985046 Thu, 21 Aug 2008 13:26:48 EDT Re: Hmm.. they'll throttle me back to http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hmm-theyll-throttle-me-back-to-20985012 said by baineschile:

Maybe when people stop downloading pirated movies and software at a staggering rate, ISPs wouldnt have to do it for everyone.

Thanks a lot, piraters, for making the experience rough for everyone
You have nobody to blame but yourself.

Everyone uses the internet the same way, whether your downloading " pirated " software, or watching a youtube video. its no better on your traffic consumption . ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hmm-theyll-throttle-me-back-to-20985012 Thu, 21 Aug 2008 13:21:02 EDT Re: Hmm.. they'll throttle me back to http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hmm-theyll-throttle-me-back-to-20984923 said by aciddrink:

What about those of us that stream netflix, download linux distros and/or movies from Itunes? We can easily consume as much or more bandwidth than a 'pirate' can, especially in a household.
Yea, and why would Comcast want to make that easy for you to do? Then you'll buy less PPV movies, premium mvie channels, etc., from them.

This policy makes business sense from Comcasts POV. They provide HSI to compete with DSL, NOT to cannabalize their high-margin TV offerings. So as long as you get an "above DSL" experience, you should be happy, right?

This is just like Frontier's cap - obviously, the only "appropriate" use for HSI is browsing, email, etc.: anything that doesn't threaten their other businesses.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hmm-theyll-throttle-me-back-to-20984923 Thu, 21 Aug 2008 13:00:23 EDT Re: Hmm.. they'll throttle me back to http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hmm-theyll-throttle-me-back-to-20984896 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hmm-theyll-throttle-me-back-to-20984896 Thu, 21 Aug 2008 12:54:43 EDT Re: Hmm.. they'll throttle me back to http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hmm-theyll-throttle-me-back-to-20984676 See Profile talks about how this won't affect a lot of people because according to him 250gb is more than substantial for an average user. Read his reply a few posts down.

said by baineschile:

Downloading an unbox movie - 3gigs
VOiP 1 hour chat - 30Mb/hr (approx)
Surfing Clips - 250-500Mb an hour (1024x768 max)

So, if you download 2 movies a day (180 gigs/mo), chat on the phone 2 hours a day (about 4 gigs/mo) and surf for video clips 3 hours a day (about 40 gigs/mo), you are still using less than the cap 224gigs.

But cmon, who does all that?
said by baineschile:

You would be incorrect. No normal residential person can come up with a 100% legal excuse to use more than 250 gigs/mo
I'm a little confused why baineschile thinks this will be rough for everyone when according to him "no normal residential person" will ever trigger it. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hmm-theyll-throttle-me-back-to-20984676 Thu, 21 Aug 2008 12:17:11 EDT Re: Hmm.. they'll throttle me back to http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hmm-theyll-throttle-me-back-to-20984652 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hmm-theyll-throttle-me-back-to-20984652 Thu, 21 Aug 2008 12:12:02 EDT Re: Hmm.. they'll throttle me back to http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hmm-theyll-throttle-me-back-to-20984449 said by baineschile:

Maybe when people stop downloading pirated movies and software at a staggering rate, ISPs wouldnt have to do it for everyone.

Thanks a lot, piraters, for making the experience rough for everyone
How is this going to be rough for everyone? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hmm-theyll-throttle-me-back-to-20984449 Thu, 21 Aug 2008 11:30:46 EDT Extensive discussion of this in Comcast forum here at BBR http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Extensive-discussion-of-this-in-Comcast-forum-here-at-BBR-20984368
»[Speed] Comcast to throttle individual users; all protocols]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Extensive-discussion-of-this-in-Comcast-forum-here-at-BBR-20984368 Thu, 21 Aug 2008 11:16:49 EDT Re: Hmm.. they'll throttle me back to http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hmm-theyll-throttle-me-back-to-20984295
On the flip side, posts in the forum for my provider are relatively solid with markets experiencing overloaded areas, etc.

I think it really depends on your area. I've been very lucky so far.

As for Comcast's public relations ... do the words 'White House Press Office' have any meaning for you? :D
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Maybe when people stop downloading pirated movies and software at a staggering rate, ISPs wouldnt have to do it for everyone.

Thanks a lot, piraters, for making the experience rough for everyone
perhaps cable ISPs need to upgrade their network.
Docsis 1 and 2, pffftt!. LOL
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Thanks a lot, piraters, for making the experience rough for everyone]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hmm-theyll-throttle-me-back-to-20984250 Thu, 21 Aug 2008 10:57:24 EDT