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Re: VP Candidate Is Pro-RIAA, Anti-Privacy Conservative is just another name for Republican, let's face it. We've seen that party tout their "Conservative" Nature since Regan and look what that got us.
Regan
1) Olive North and Arms Trading to Iran
2) Funding the Sandistas and propping to power Dictators in South America
3) Our first Trillion Dollar Deficit
Bush Sr.
1) Kuwait
2) More trillion Dollar Deficit
3) Crapped Economy
Bush Jr.
1) Iraq - Nothing to do with 9/11 or Terror
2) Afghanistan - Maybe a link. Yet we put the Taliban in Power and trained them. WTF Bush Sr.
3) 5.5 Trillion Deficit.
4) Record and Historical Inflation
5) NSA Wiretappings
6) Guantanamo Bay
7) Suspension of Habeous Corpus
8) Military Commissions Act
9) Bad economy
10 Best of all no Room to Speak on the world platform. Loved how Bush talked about Russia invading sovereign nations. Doh, you forget Iraq and Afghanistan....
Strange enough, Every one of these guys called themselves a conservative. Don't get me wrong, Democrats aren't usually a whole lot better, especially the one's we got now. I can't stand that Obama Supported Fisa and his VP is Anti everything technology and voted for Iraq. Yet, McCain is all that plus supporting torture and wanting to extend Iraq. Both our choices suck.
I consider myself wanting someone WHO ISN'T affiliated with a "party" but is there to serve the people. Since 3rd parties won't ever win (sigh) and change the pattern, I definitely don't consider myself conservative. At least I can stay Abortion Rights, No Religion in School (School is there to learn, NOT DEBATE "GOD".. Pay for a Private school if you want that), and support of Marriage for all is still Democratic Stances. These seem to be the only ones they haven't yet SCREWED UP. Yes, the Democrats SUCK as bad as the Right. Being a "Conservative", I'm sure you disagree with those stances. | |
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Johnson City, TN | 3rd parties don't win because people are afraid to "throw away" their vote.
There are no throw-away votes. How else could a movement be built? | |
| Ron Paul isn't a 3rd party choice. Check his voting record, and he's just as Republican Affiliated as the rest.. Seriously. By 3rd Party I meant Green, Libertarian, or Independent. Ron Paul Offers about as much "change" as "Obama" will give us, which wouldn't be much. I'm just hoping if he wins, things don't get progressively worse. I fear if McCain wins, we're in for a world of shit. If Obama wins, I just hope he doesn't mess them up more. Staying the same at this point is the best we can hope for. I'm realistic. I'd rather Obama wins and smiles for the next 4 years, than McCain who will keep this same crap going. Personally, If I had my choice, I'd say to hell with all these politicians, it's time we form parties where ordinary people can win the elections. Today, it's all about money, versus representation. Quite sad. I think the people who could do the best job, often don't make it. I really did like Chris Dodd. I think he was actually one of those guys that spoke for the people. A Rarity in politics. | | |
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| said by jc100:Ron Paul isn't a 3rd party choice. Check his voting record, and he's just as Republican Affiliated as the rest.. Seriously. By 3rd Party I meant Green, Libertarian, or Independent. Ron Paul Offers about as much "change" as "Obama" will give us, which wouldn't be much. I'm just hoping if he wins, things don't get progressively worse. I fear if McCain wins, we're in for a world of shit. If Obama wins, I just hope he doesn't mess them up more. Staying the same at this point is the best we can hope for. I'm realistic. I'd rather Obama wins and smiles for the next 4 years, than McCain who will keep this same crap going. Personally, If I had my choice, I'd say to hell with all these politicians, it's time we form parties where ordinary people can win the elections. Today, it's all about money, versus representation. Quite sad. I think the people who could do the best job, often don't make it. I really did like Chris Dodd. I think he was actually one of those guys that spoke for the people. A Rarity in politics. I liked Ron Paul because he wanted to do away with all of these idiotic government agencies. That's a "change I can believe in". Better change than Obama or McCain in my book.
Now that Paul isn't on the republican ticket, I'm voting for Bob Barr. I just haven't updated my avatar yet. | |
| I can't say I know much about Bob Barr. However, Ralph Nader who I saw you mention below, is a smart Cookie. But let's be pragmatic a second. There's no such thing as a wasted vote, but there is one that won't count. By this, the Majority of Americans are going to vote for the two party system. Until such time as one of these 3rd Parties becomes mainstream, their chances are nil. I'd like to believe otherwise, but reality dictates. Unfortunate, isn't it. | |
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Washington, DC | reply to Tsume
A vote for Obama is a vote for Bush | |
| No that'd be McCain. After all, his lips are locked so tight, I'm amazed he hasn't suffocated. Obama isn't much better but at least chose a rant that doesn't sound ignorant. | |
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said by jc100:I can't say I know much about Bob Barr. However, Ralph Nader who I saw you mention below, is a smart Cookie. But let's be pragmatic a second. There's no such thing as a wasted vote, but there is one that won't count. By this, the Majority of Americans are going to vote for the two party system. Until such time as one of these 3rd Parties becomes mainstream, their chances are nil. I'd like to believe otherwise, but reality dictates. Unfortunate, isn't it. I'm going to keep voting for the 3rd party to help it happen.
Bob Barr has a voting record that's, IMO, not as up to par with Ron Paul... but he's apologized for some of the stupider things he's voted on and his recent record is good. I'd take his word over Obama's unapologetic voting yes on FISA.
Nader is a smart one too, unfortunately I think people have been implanted with a negative opinion of him through the mainstream media, so I'm going to give my shot to the guy with the new name. | |
| reply to Tsume
imo, depending on the case, not voting is no throwing away your vote. what if there are no candidates that are worth voting for? just pick the lesser of the N evils? being vocal on saying i'm not voting at all for some reason like no one is worth voting for (backed up with why each candidate is not worthy) should send a message to the politicians that something is not right with them. they may think that all people that don't vote are idiots, don't understand the government, or too lazy (which may be true in some cases). what if people are too disgusted with the current state of the government is the reason. doesn't take long to find something on TV that shows some political leader is throwing a trantrum because he said or did that while the true issues at hand are being sidelined, sometimes it seems that vacations (not like they don't take enough or anything) are put infront of getting a bill through. If need be, I'll vote for '3rd party' candidate, the libertarian party is looking awfully tempting.
Lex Luthor '08 anyone? | |
| Well not voting also isn't good. Too bad we don't got real choices though. Seriously, we get Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dumb to vote for every 4 years. I'd like someone who is a person and representative first, and a politician last. John Stewart for President, anyone? He'd at least add some humor to the post! | |
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San Francisco, CA | reply to jc100
Nader WILL get my vote, even if it is a write-in. | |
| reply to Tsume
Sorry to break it to you, but a third party will never happen. That's not to say Democrats and Republicans will always be the two parties, but with voting it's always gonna end up as two parties. It's just simple logic and human nature.
For example, take parties A (smallest), B, and C (B & C are about equal). Parties B and C are gonna do everything they can to get voters from A to come to their group. Now say if some people go to party B to where they have the most -- this means both A and C will lose. If anyone in A doesn't want B to win, they'll go to C to hopefully overcome B. That leaves A with less and less people.
Don't get me wrong -- I'd love to have more than two real choices even though I (mostly) agree with Obama, but it just isn't gonna happen as people vote just as much against someone as they vote for someone else, if not more. Example: I think many people will vote for Obama as a vote against McCain rather than a vote for Obama.
It's sad but true.
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said by jc100:Conservative is just another name for Republican, let's face it. We've seen that party tout their "Conservative" Nature since Regan and look what that got us. Regan 1) Olive North and Arms Trading to Iran 2) Funding the Sandistas and propping to power Dictators in South America 3) Our first Trillion Dollar Deficit Bush Sr. 1) Kuwait 2) More trillion Dollar Deficit 3) Crapped Economy Bush Jr. 1) Iraq - Nothing to do with 9/11 or Terror 2) Afghanistan - Maybe a link. Yet we put the Taliban in Power and trained them. WTF Bush Sr. 3) 5.5 Trillion Deficit. 4) Record and Historical Inflation 5) NSA Wiretappings 6) Guantanamo Bay 7) Suspension of Habeous Corpus 8) Military Commissions Act 9) Bad economy 10 Best of all no Room to Speak on the world platform. Loved how Bush talked about Russia invading sovereign nations. Doh, you forget Iraq and Afghanistan.... Bad economy from Conservatives ????? Look what the hell Liberal democrats, in control of the Senate and House did.
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Democrats & Obama bringing change; but can we stand it?
George Bush has been in office for 7 1/2 years. The first six the economy was fine.
A little over one year ago:
1) Consumer confidence stood at a 2 1/2 year high;
2) Regular gasoline sold for $2.19 a gallon;
3) the unemployment rate was 4.5%.
4) the DOW JONES hit a record high--14,000 +
5) American's were buying new cars, taking cruises, vacations o'seas, living large!...
But American's wanted 'CHANGE'! So, in 2006 they voted in a Democratic Congress & yep--we got 'CHANGE' all right. In the PAST YEAR:
1) Consumer confidence has plummeted ;
2) Gasoline is now over $4 a gallon & climbing!;
3) Unemployment is up to 5% (a 10% increase);
4) Americans have seen their home equity drop by $12 TRILLION
DOLLARS & prices still dropping;
5) 1% of American homes are in foreclosure.
6) as I write, THE DOW is probing another low~~11,100--
$2.5 TRILLION DOLLARS HAS EVAPORATED FROM THEIR
STOCKS, BONDS & MUTUAL FUNDS INVESTMENT
PORTFOLIOS!
BTW, For as low an approval rating as GWB gets from the public. Democratic approval rating is less than GWB's, actually half as much. Yes, I agree the Democrats SUCK, twice as bad as the RINO's.
Want to place the blame on somebody? Then pin it where it belongs. On the current liberal democratic majority controlling congress. Where was congress, when Bush asked for immunity for teleco spying? Oh yea they said. Here it is George, no problem. Would you like anything else to go with that?. Where did those elected "democrats" go, who was going to stand up to GWB and his diabolical schemes, because they touted themselves champions of the people? They lied worse than the RINO's did.
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Our first Trillion Dollar Deficit came when democrats controlled congress under Regan and Bush Sr
Congress controls spending and holds the purse strings always did always will. Despite run-away spending by a democratic congress under Reagan & Bush Sr Administrations. The economy was stronger in those years to overcome runaway spending, than the havoc these ultra liberal leftwing socialist moonbats have created today.
Bush Jr.
1) Iraq - Nothing to do with 9/11 or Terror.... Iraq openly admitted it would give safe haven to terrorists. NO terrorists in Iraq? Right. Okay. Then why the horror of them strapping dynamite or C-4 to mentally challenged people and then blowing them to pieces?
2) Afghanistan - Maybe a link. Yet we put the Taliban in Power and trained them. WTF Bush Sr. Afghanistan.... No doubt about that link. Yes we did put the Taliban in Power. WTF? why mention GWB Sr, under your GWB JR heading?
3) 5.5 Trillion Deficit......See congress
4) Record and Historical Inflation.....See congress, the Fed.
5) NSA Wiretappings......See congress
6) Guantanamo Bay.....Club Med vacation compared to treatment Danny Pearl was given'
7) Suspension of Habeous Corpus.....Agree
8) Military Commissions Act.....Agree
9) Bad economy......See congress
10 Best of all no Room to Speak on the world platform. Loved how Bush talked about Russia invading sovereign nations. Doh, you forget Iraq and Afghanistan.... F the world platform. America should be our first concern. You forgot Georgia is a breakaway republic from and is still land mass belonging to the old u.s.s.r, can't recall it ever being a sovereign nation.
We attacked Iraq & Afghanistan, because of 9/11 terrorist attack and ties of terrorists to those countries. Russia is attacking solely to gain control of an oil pipeline. Ask the Europeans how cold last winter was when Russia shut off the flow of heating oil to them.Russia is killing/shooting/bombing innocent men women & children in Georgia. The world is quiet as a mouse. We make a terrorist sweat a little and liberals go nuts. Where the F is the worlds same outcry denouncing Russia's action as it complained about Gitmo?
Reagan trading arms to Iran? Must have been a secret, Iraq yes, Iran afaik no. Not saying it's not true. Since the Islamic revolution in the 1970's and Iran held Americans hostage for 444 days, this started when a democrat was president. His name Jimmy Carter. We sold arms to Iraq when they went to war with Iran.
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It's easier to manipulate non-religious people, Ever hear of Communism?
With out religion your are more suceptable to manipulation. Look at china, they banned religion. It's much easier to manipulate people who don't have any religious convictions. | |
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As I, too, was a Ron Paul supporter, I thought I would take a look at Bob Barr's voting history to see if he aligned with my political beliefs.
It's very much like you said - in the past few years, he's had a great voting record(IMHO). But when you go back to 1998-2003 or so, he took a lot of questionable positions. Requiring prayer in school, voting YES on making appeals to the death penalty harder... I don't know, seems like he was (at least at one time) very much unlike Ron Paul.
I question why he's changed his opinions so drastically these past few years. Not that there's anything wrong with people changing their opinions, but some of his prior stances seem downright dangerous.
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Let's start. My first person was George Bush Sr. Did you not bother reading?
Second.. YOU ARE QUOTING TJ JUNK MAIL'S Blog as PROOF??? WOW. That's a NEW ONE!!! He doesn't know truth if it bit him in the ass.
Let's just Start with Bush Jr since you concertedly SKIPPED his Dad.
1) Americans were SPENDING... MONEY THEY DID NOT HAVE. Hence the Housing Market Crash due to UNCHECKED lending industry.
2) Gas Prices Started out at 1 Dollar in 2000 and are now 4 dollars NOT due to the Democrats. They had Increased LONG before. We saw 3.60 a Gallon before they took office. Nice try though.
3) Consumer Confidence has been at all time lows actually. Look at the Standard and Poors index. People aren't too happy. Inflation under Bush has been at around 20 percent on many things. Don't blame the new Congress. They just took over in November. Bush and his Republican Congress seeded this crap for the past 7.5 years.
4) Bush's Deficit. Do you not recall it was a REPUBLICAN Congress? Yea, I guess not. Bush didn't seem to be saying no to spending the money, DID HE?
5) Americans are building a portfolio.. One of Poverty and Despair. See above for how the dollar HAS HIT a 26 year record low... NOT UNDER DEMOCRATS, but Republicans. That means inflation once again is at an ALL TIME HIGH.
6) Iraq NEVER OPENLY ADMITTED TO ANYTHING TO DO WITH TERRORISM... Proof please.
7)Guantanamo Bay is anything but club med. Its a black eye to America and it's world policies. We are setting a precedent that locking people up, giving them sham trials, allowing torture, and laughing about it is all right. What do you lose from giving people a FAIR TRIAL? Nothing. Anyway, this sets a dangerous precedent for our own people. Don't expect our soldiers to get proper treatment from any countries where they get captured these days. What's good for the U.S, is good for the rest on violating Geneva Convention, right?
8) Georgia's Break aways HAVE NOT BEEN IN Georgia's control since the Soviet Union Fell. That doesn't make them part of Georgia. It's just has been no one has recognized their sovereignty. Yet, under a 1992 agreement, Russia has been allowed forces in these parts. Georgia should have left well enough alone. They didn't, and got their ass handed to them. Tough luck. Bush invaded SOVEREIGN nations. Last I checked, Iraq and Afghanistan weren't even PROTECTORATES at the time the U.S. invaded.
Last, this goes to show how IGNORANT you really are. First you use TK Junk mail as your source. Where is ANY LINK TO SUBSTANTIATE a thing you claimed or he claimed... Funny. I'd like a time frame on all those statements and proof to go along with it......
Yet, here's the best one. It was called the IRAN CONTRA CRISIS YOU HISTORICAL DIM WIT! Can we say Oliver North!! | |
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Falsehoods and Farse rhetoric are not logic. He used TK JUNK MAIL'S PERSONAL BLOG. I'd believe that for a second and then realize that it lacks any credible truth. I'm sure if you match the time frames to what he claims.
Oil Prices
Decline in US dollar
Housing Market Busting (which is due to unchecked and unregulated industry left to simmer)
5.5 Trillion Deficit
etc
You'd find MOST HAPPENED under a Republican Congress with Bush at the Helm. Go figure. Democrats have ONLY been in office since November. Bush has been at it with his Congress for 7 years prior. | |
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