Cheese
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join:2003-10-26
Naples, FL
clubs: | No....
How about....no?
As long as I don't get taxed anymore here, I don't care TBH. |
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roozy
join:2004-09-30
Casper, WY | The playing field for offering the same services should be level.
I prefer no tax for all, but to be realistic... if telcos must be taxed then so should any company providing the services. |
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Cheese
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join:2003-10-26
Naples, FL
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| said by roozy  :The playing field for offering the same services should be level. I prefer no tax for all, but to be realistic... if telcos must be taxed then so should any company providing the services. A Telco is exactly that, a Telco, a CC is not a Telco and their primary business is not Telco but Cable TV. |
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Rob
In Deo speramus, God Bless the USA
Premium
join:2001-08-25
Kendall, FL
 ·Comcast
| said by Cheese :said by roozy :The playing field for offering the same services should be level. I prefer no tax for all, but to be realistic... if telcos must be taxed then so should any company providing the services. A Telco is exactly that, a Telco, a CC is not a Telco and their primary business is not Telco but Cable TV. So then you're saying Qwest should not call themselves a Telco provider, but a TV provider, but still offer telephone service and then they won't have to be taxed like a telco? |
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dave
Premium,MVM
join:2000-05-04
not in ohio
 ·Verizon Online DSL
 ·Verizon FIOS
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Where I live, the telco mails out pamphlets trying to get me to switch to their TV service, and the cable TV company has TV ads selling their phone service.
There's no distinction (at the level of the connecton-to-my-house) between the two any more. |
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Cheese
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join:2003-10-26
Naples, FL
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said by Rob :said by Cheese :said by roozy :The playing field for offering the same services should be level. I prefer no tax for all, but to be realistic... if telcos must be taxed then so should any company providing the services. A Telco is exactly that, a Telco, a CC is not a Telco and their primary business is not Telco but Cable TV. So then you're saying Qwest should not call themselves a Telco provider, but a TV provider, but still offer telephone service and then they won't have to be taxed like a telco? Is/was the primary business Cable TV or Telco? If they started out as a Telco, they, I would imagine, would be considered a Telco. Comcast started out offering Cable TV, not phone service to which I would not consider them a Telco. |
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Cheese
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join:2003-10-26
Naples, FL
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2 edits | reply to dave
said by dave :Where I live, the telco mails out pamphlets trying to get me to switch to their TV service, and the cable TV company has TV ads selling their phone service. There's no distinction (at the level of the connecton-to-my-house) between the two any more. What company? I don't know of many Telcos offering their OWN service but rather using a third party, such as Dish. Comcast OWNS their own infrastructure to offer TV, no Telco does that I know of. That is a huge distinction. |
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skrupowies
join:2002-08-22
Wallingford, CT
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·AT&T U-Verse
| said by Cheese :said by dave : What company? I don't know of many Telcos offering their OWN service but rather using a third party, such as Dish. Comcast OWNS their own infrastructure to offer TV, no Telco does that I know of. That is a huge distinction.
Uhhhh, AT&T (Uverse) and Verizon (FIOS) are using their own services and their own facilities to sell those services. And since they are the two biggest Telcos I would say there are some.
This debate has come up many times in the past. The Comcast fanbois say no taxes but the reality is that if I can pick up my telephone, hear a dial tone and call Grandma in Kalamazoo then it's phone service and they know it, just don't want to admit it. |
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Cheese
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Naples, FL
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Anonymous_
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join:2004-06-21
127.0.0.1
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·RoadRunner Cable
·Time Warner Cable
 ·Time Warner VOIP
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said by roozy :The playing field for offering the same services should be level. I prefer no tax for all, but to be realistic... if telcos must be taxed then so should any company providing the services. Voip IS an DATA SERVICE not phone SERVICE
IP means data if you did not know that |
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Corona
It's cool, I'm takin it back
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join:2000-03-14
Aubrey, TX
| said by Anonymous_ :said by roozy :The playing field for offering the same services should be level. I prefer no tax for all, but to be realistic... if telcos must be taxed then so should any company providing the services. Voip IS an DATA SERVICE not phone SERVICE IP means data if you did not know that not to the FCC it isn't. It's a telephony service. The fact that the intermediate transmission mechanism goes through IP packets or Time Division Multiplexing makes no difference to the end user.
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"To be sincere, you don't have to know anything, you just say whatever makes you feel good and spin and smug circles in your tiny fucked up little head, happy as long as you're true to yourself. In other words, Sincerity is bullshit!" -Penn Jillette |
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Cheese
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join:2003-10-26
Naples, FL
clubs: | reply to Cheese
»www.fcc.gov/cgb/consumerfacts/voip.pdf |
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Cheese
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join:2003-10-26
Naples, FL
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2 edits | reply to Corona
said by Corona :said by Anonymous_ :said by roozy :The playing field for offering the same services should be level. I prefer no tax for all, but to be realistic... if telcos must be taxed then so should any company providing the services. Voip IS an DATA SERVICE not phone SERVICE IP means data if you did not know that not to the FCC it isn't. It's a telephony service. The fact that the intermediate transmission mechanism goes through IP packets or Time Division Multiplexing makes no difference to the end user. Who regulates VoIP solutions?
Currently, VoIP has no regulations as the FCC has qualified IP services as Internet-based. A broader investigation is currently underway to evaluate the increase in consumer interest in VoIP and how the FCC should respond in order to safeguard public interest. For more information, visit the FCC's VoIP website at www.fcc.gov/voip.
»www.smartprice.com/phone/voip/gl···faq.html |
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Kearnstd
Elf Wizard
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join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ | reply to Cheese
i think a big issue is that the Telcos had lots of free money given to them by the USF.
the cable company has had to build its network out of pocket.
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ITALIAN926
join:2003-08-16
Stratford, CT
1 edit | reply to Cheese
OH GIVE ME A BREAK !!
If it looks like a duck... if it quacks like a duck.. its a DUCK !
Taxing one telephone service and not the other is just ridiculous. Especially when Cablevision commercials here make it seem like they opted not to charge the customers those fee's .
Either drop the taxes and fee's for everyone or tax everyone the same ! |
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toolazytologin
@verizon.net
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If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, then it is a duck.
The transport method shouldn't matter. In fact transport methods for the original telcos has changed over the years, but that didn't change the tax laws that governed them. Remember when a person was required to connect every call, to when mechanical switches did them, then circuit switched, and now telcos are starting to use packet-switched more and more.
If at the end of the day they supply dialtone over a landline then they should all be taxed the same. |
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hottboiinnc
ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
·Time Warner Cable
·buckeye cable
| reply to Cheese
very true.
Qwest needs their landline business to stay afloat. Which is telephone service.
Comcast needs their CableTV business to stay in the game.
Those are 2 completely different services. Even when you factor in Comcast's HSI and digital phone. It's internet based which is different than using the network Qwest relies on for their business. |
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hottboiinnc
ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH | reply to ITALIAN926
Comcast does not look like a telco, does not sound like a telco which does NOT make it a duck.
They're a CableTV Provider. NOT a telco provider. What is their primary business? TV! Not phone. |
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CCNnorthcali
join:2004-03-07
Tempe, AZ
clubs: | reply to Cheese
Even Qwest offers their own TV service here in the Phoenix area. It's very limited, but it still does exist. Telecos are moving to offer everything cable does. You're just nitpicking. |
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Cheese
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Naples, FL
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| said by CCNnorthcali :Even Qwest offers their own TV service here in the Phoenix area. It's very limited, but it still does exist. Telecos are moving to offer everything cable does. You're just nitpicking. Um...yea..I am just nitpicking  |
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