 MadMANNPremium
join:2005-08-19
kudos:2 | reply to ITALIAN926
Re: No.... said by ITALIAN926:Dialtone is dialtone. Thats it. Would you tax Vonage or any other third party VOIP the same, since dial tone is dial tone? |
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 en102Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | reply to puck0114
said by puck0114:Then you agree that phone companies shouldn't have to abide by cable franchising laws, right? After all, video isn't their primary service. Yup... just as AT&T doesn't have to pay franchising fees or provide local access channels for Uverse to local communities, Cable doesn't have to pay taxes for POTS.
Also, Cable VoIP is not as regulated as POTS is (i.e. lifeline service, 99.9% availability, etc.). POTS fees are there, as this service is regulated to be a lifeline and high availability. Cable VoIP is not a whole lot different than Vonage or Packet 8 or Uverse Voice, as it is an Internet based service, and is offered as a 'best effort' service. Cable VoIP and Uverse Voice have their own network to handle the traffic, and this is part of the reason they charge almost 2x what Vonage or Call Vantage (RIP) did.
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| reply to GPSrob
POTS would be cheaper if they wouldnt put that line that says "other taxes and fees" |
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Well,that an arguement for Verizon,ATT and the phone companies, who dance around and lobby in Washington and for some reason don't have to abide to the same franchising laws and regulations as cable do.It's an optional thing when it comes to provider as well.I'm sure if that was the case,Verizon and Verizon wireless wouldn't actually be seperate companies.Then it would be Utility company trying to replace another utility company? But yet they are the same company? Cable companies can't help if they are more innovated than the Ma Bell's.Same as satellite not going by the same franchising standards,if so they wouldn't be able to be in every cities or badwoods. |
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| reply to hottboiinnc
"Digital Voice" Give me a damn break. Even POTS service is converted to digital at points during its transmission. And to put things in more perspective, Cable Cos phone service goes goes thru PHONE CABLES! Its only on the coax to the CO. Then the phone CO has to handle it and it is a REGULAR FRIGGIN CALL!.
TAX THOSE BASTARDS! |
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| reply to hottboiinnc
Isn't that the point of this entire discussion? Regulate/tax all services the same regardless of providers. Either all should have that line for a particular service or none should. |
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fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
join:2005-05-20
kudos:3 | reply to ITALIAN926
said by ITALIAN926:OH GIVE ME A BREAK !! If it looks like a duck... if it quacks like a duck.. its a DUCK ! Taxing one telephone service and not the other is just ridiculous. Especially when Cablevision commercials here make it seem like they opted not to charge the customers those fee's . Either drop the taxes and fee's for everyone or tax everyone the same ! You need to brush up on some case law and supreme court decisions. Comcast is offering an "information service".. not a telephone service.. Thank god our laws in this country are not emotional based and touchy feely.. otherwise, there would be opinions like yours ruling the land.. the law is the law and cute sayings about ducks don't establish our system .. |
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fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
join:2005-05-20
kudos:3 | reply to TWTom
Last time I checked it was Comcast Cable.. Not comcast MSO.. and it was Charter cable, not charter MSO.. maybe Time Warner MSO? ... um, nope.. it's Time Warner cable..
They didn't "change their names" to MSO's.. they ARE MSOs.. Multi Service Provider and Multi System Providers.. that IS what they are, however, they are still the "cable company".. |
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| reply to MadMANN
If they dont drop the taxes & fee's on POTS?? YES
Any VoIP home or business phone service that can connect to POTS lines should be taxed the same way. |
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| reply to GPSrob
No do not add taxes to the other providers.
Have you ever called your Telco and asked them what the line of "other taxes and fees" means? They will tell you any fee they're "allowed to add to your phone bill BUT required to do so".
I don't see Comcast doing that. I don't see an extra $15+ on a Comcast, TWC Buckeye Tel, or any other cable provider's digital phone service.
You only get that from the Telco's because they think if they can't get away with charging you more for a service they'll add it in as a "fee" and get away with making more profit. |
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| reply to ITALIAN926
you should tell your beloved Union to tell VZ and Comcast to drop the rates. After all its the Phone companies that are adding the "other taxes and fees".
Like i said above- Comcast, TWC, Charter, Insight, Bright House, Armstrong, CableOne, etc, do not have them. It's just a way for the phone companies to make more profit and then go to DC and say they need money out of the USF because they're not making enough money!
It's not the Cable company's fault they don't double dip. |
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| reply to cuda
Why are you jealous that Cable customers pay less for phone? It's not our fault.
Tell your ATT that you want cheaper service and you dont' wanna be charged their "other taxes and fees" which aren't taxes and fees. |
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| reply to Cheese
Also--wasn't VZ shouldn't have to go town to town because it's not actual "cable tv" just like ATT?
YEP! but gave up and just started going town to town but are still fighting for a new franchise reform at the state and Federal level for their tv service. |
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said by ITALIAN926:Verizon FiOS is NOT IPTV, dont make comments unless you know what youre talking about. Verizon goes TOWN TO TOWN getting franchises. Now youre a little more educated. Not in NJ. Verizon acquired a statewide franchise where the cable companies needed (and still need) individual town franchises.
Now you're a little more educated. |
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LOL. well said. |
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davePremium,MVM
join:2000-05-04
not in ohio
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said by ITALIAN926: This is simple common sense.. this shouldnt even be a discussion. The problem is that people insist on confusing 'common sense' and 'what I want'.
For what it's worth, I don't want to be paying fees to Comcast either. But I don't recall that being the question asked. |
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Sorry, but I knew that. FiOS is NOT IPTV in NJ.. is it? I work in NY.. in NEW YORK they have to go town to town getting franchise approval. OOOOH KAAAY |
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| reply to hottboiinnc
well said! if you do your research, 80% of those taxes and fees you see on a telephone bill (not cable) are garbage, its just more free money for verizon/att/qwest, yet everyone is lobbying for the telcos. They suck, my cable phone through comcast works better than my old verizon did anyway |
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| reply to ITALIAN926
just because you go town to down doesnt mean anything. They're doing that because its the fastest way go get the service out.
You and I and everyone else knows on here that if it was faster to get a state wide agreement VZ would be doing that too. Why do you think ATT's service is so limited; because they're fighting with the states. |
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 UnKownThe Underground Network
join:2002-09-08
Orlando, FL | reply to ITALIAN926
VOIP is a completely different technology than pots, and it should be taxed differently.
The great state of UTAH thinks so, and so do i. |
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