EVDO and Parabolic HG2424G Antenna in Verizon Wireless http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r21001373 en Wed, 11 Nov 2009 02:04:21 EDT Wed, 11 Nov 2009 02:04:21 EDT Re: EVDO and Parabolic HG2424G Antenna http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21725903 Mattie_B :
said by dsides See Profile :

Which Antenna did you end up going with, I believe you said a HG2424G; if so what polarity did you use, and who do you determine which polarity you need?

I am currently using the Wilson 800mhz Yagi to get to a NLOS Verizon tower 3.7 miles away (according to my GPS), but I am in a valley surrounded by tall trees. Most of the time I get acceptable EVDO signals at -74 but occasionally for no reason, that I can find, it will go over -98 and then it is all but useless. I am attempting to do VPN work and it makes it very difficult when I get the poor signals.

I have my USB Verizon Wireless Modem connected to a Cuddletech Broadband Router that seems to have helped my stability a little.
You need to enter the field test mode while disconnected. Look for your HDR channel number.

Here is a simple guide to figure out which frequency your using.

»evdotips.blogspot.com/search/lab···00%20MHz

If your on 850 you'll want a 900Mhz grid with a N-Female connector. If your on a 1900Mhz frequency you can use the 2.4Ghz antenna.

Trust me I used a Yagi for a while and had quite a few problems. Got my grid about 6 months ago and I connect in under 10 seconds every time.

My grid results



Speed test this morning.

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21725903 Mon, 12 Jan 2009 08:10:23 EDT Re: EVDO and Parabolic HG2424G Antenna http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21706667 dsides : Which Antenna did you end up going with, I believe you said a HG2424G; if so what polarity did you use, and who do you determine which polarity you need?

I am currently using the Wilson 800mhz Yagi to get to a NLOS Verizon tower 3.7 miles away (according to my GPS), but I am in a valley surrounded by tall trees. Most of the time I get acceptable EVDO signals at -74 but occasionally for no reason, that I can find, it will go over -98 and then it is all but useless. I am attempting to do VPN work and it makes it very difficult when I get the poor signals.

I have my USB Verizon Wireless Modem connected to a Cuddletech Broadband Router that seems to have helped my stability a little.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21706667 Thu, 08 Jan 2009 22:10:37 EDT Re: EVDO and Parabolic HG2424G Antenna http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21269553 heimdm : So I ran the little FME cable under my front door.. there was just enough for the cable to slide on through. I hooked it up to an older pc running ICS (Internet connection sharing) and plugged that into my wireless router. I am getting between -80 and -90 with my wireless card. I am probably going to try to upgrade my card and pay full price so it doesn't change my TOS. I am getting between 300-500k down. While definitely not like when I was on a cable modem before I moved here.. this is usable. Before I could only download at 1K or less.

:-)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21269553 Wed, 15 Oct 2008 07:53:04 EDT Re: EVDO and Parabolic HG2424G Antenna http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21256160 Bluenote : heimdm,
I installed a Wilson 811201 in line with the grid and something I noticed, the amp did stabilize the signal, and improved the signal strength down to a -72 with no fluctuation. Speeds did not increase that much though.
The amp runs very hot to the touch so I mounted it on a piece of concrete board about 7" square, and mounted it to the wall under a Kyocera KR2 router...it helped some.

The Verizon towers around here are back up to speed after the storm, so I suppose that the speeds I am looking at now, average 1.3 to 1.5 mbps down and 500 kbps up are as good as they are going to get. I adjusted the uptilt a degree or so and it did help a little with the signal strength.

I would suspect that the card that you are using is the culprit after reading about all you've done there. I settled on the Verizon AC595 but did have a chance to try the USB727 as Mattie_B suggested. It had better reception without an external antenna than the AC595, speeds were faster, but did not get a chance to try it with an external antenna. It was their freebie from Verizon, but for some reason my wife was not real comfortable with it being a USB device...perhaps the old-school syndrome she has. I thought it worked pretty well. Most likely if they would have supplied a pigtail to hook up to the external things may have been different.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21256160 Sun, 12 Oct 2008 19:38:42 EDT Re: EVDO and Parabolic HG2424G Antenna http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21244514 heimdm : Yesterday my wilson 811201 direct connect amplifier arrived. Inside the house I did not notice much improvement. However, I went out to this one location and was able to connect EVDO style. I was getting 550k down and about 100k up. Considering I have a Rev0 card, that is not too bad. I need to upgrade my card to a RevA card. At this point I am working on getting a 60 ft. tower installed so we can get the 2424g antenna mounted in its finally location.

Thanks,
Dennis]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21244514 Fri, 10 Oct 2008 07:16:07 EDT Re: EVDO and Parabolic HG2424G Antenna http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21210736 heimdm : I am going to look into upgrading my card, because it is pretty old, and an upgrade wouldn't hurt.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21210736 Fri, 03 Oct 2008 14:02:10 EDT Re: EVDO and Parabolic HG2424G Antenna http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21210722 Mattie_B : Okay I didn't realize they were backwards compatible. Thanks for that reference link. I'm not sure what to tell you to do. I don't have any experience with the older gen cards so I don't know specifically what you should look for.

At 5 miles I would think you should be able to pull in a usable signal. If I think of anything else to try I'll let you know.

Sorry ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21210722 Fri, 03 Oct 2008 13:59:49 EDT Re: EVDO and Parabolic HG2424G Antenna http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21210689 heimdm : Per evdoinfo.com.. it looks like Rev. 0 and Rev. A are backward compatible.

»www.evdoinfo.com/content/view/790/63/]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21210689 Fri, 03 Oct 2008 13:54:02 EDT Re: EVDO and Parabolic HG2424G Antenna http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21210665 Mattie_B :
said by heimdm See Profile :

From VZ Manager, I put the card into HDR only mode. I am getting around -100dbi and anywhere 1-2 bars. However, when I click to connect it just sits their and says "dialing" and then says the remote computer failed to respond. My card is a novatel V620 (does not support Rev. A). I have 2 verizon towers that I am about 5 miles from.

Any other thoughts?
Well I know what your problem is. If your card doesn't support Rev-A your going to need to buy a new card that supports it. Verizon's entire broadband enabled portion of there network has been converted to Rev-A.

Basically what this means is your card supports a older revision of there broadband that is no longer used.

If your contract started before 3/1/08 and your under a grandfathered account I suggest going to 3g's website and buying one at retail price. I'm not sure how Verizon does it but I'd be very careful with them. I'm just warning you because I'm sure you don't want to end up getting switched to the new contract terms with overage's if your not already on it.

BTW I'm pretty sure they offer trial cards to check it out. It may be best to rent a card and make sure it will work for you. Something like this. They have a dedicated forum there www.evdoforums.com So if you have any specific card questions that would be the place to go.

But a good Rev-A card would be something like the USB727.

»3gstore.com/index.php?main_page=···s_id=651

I'm hoping someone else will confirm this is the problem. I'm 99% sure it is though. You can also verify that with them directly. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21210665 Fri, 03 Oct 2008 13:49:53 EDT Re: EVDO and Parabolic HG2424G Antenna http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21209118 heimdm : From VZ Manager, I put the card into HDR only mode. I am getting around -100dbi and anywhere 1-2 bars. However, when I click to connect it just sits their and says "dialing" and then says the remote computer failed to respond. My card is a novatel V620 (does not support Rev. A). I have 2 verizon towers that I am about 5 miles from.

Any other thoughts?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21209118 Fri, 03 Oct 2008 08:17:44 EDT Re: EVDO and Parabolic HG2424G Antenna http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21206648 Mattie_B : First thing while disconnected open up the diagnostic mode. Hit CTRL D and diagvzw at the password prompt. Select settings and choose HDR (High Data Rate mode) This is the broadband mode. Let us know if you get a generic broadband signal, a Broadband Access Rev-A signal or a red screen stating no service. If your receiving any type of signal in this mode go into the field test and see if it holds on any channels. If your getting some type of broadband continue below.

Okay the second thing you need to do is go to antennasearch.com and plug in your address. It will bring up all the towers within a 4 mile area. If nothing comes up change the address to a town that is close or a new address that will bring up a new area that's nearby.

Verizon towers are normally not listed as Verizon towers. They normally are leased on to Crown. If a bunch of unknown towers appear you'll have to drive up and figure out which one's are Verizon's with a laptop or cell.

After which download google earth and chart the surrounding terrain. You can use a ruler to draw a straight line from your home to the Towers location to help give you an idea were to direct the antenna to.

Make sure your running vertical polarization so both the feed and the reflector are pointed vertical.

What was the frequency of the antenna you bought? Your link is broken. Its possible your not using the correct frequency.

Also after you have the location narrowed down get the antenna as high up as you can. Sometime it takes a few minutes for a signal to appear. IE I can spin my Yagi at another tower with a signal but it may take a few minutes before it actually picks it up. You'll want to stay in a HDR lock mode with the goal trying to get your access manager to display the words Broadband Access Rev-A.

Give this a go and report back if you managed to find a Rev-A signal. Also are you positive Rev-A is even turned on in your area? Check out Verizon's website and make sure your area is even serviced. Because if it isn't you won't get a signal that doesn't exist. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21206648 Thu, 02 Oct 2008 20:05:44 EDT Re: EVDO and Parabolic HG2424G Antenna http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21204620 heimdm : I got all the gear (antenna, cable, and adapter for aircard). Looks like it is a total failure. It is still only seeing 1x RTT and no EVDO. However, when I plug into the antenna into my aircard by signal strengths drops from -95 to -102. I have walked all around my property and it never seems to help. Any ideas what I am doing wrong?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21204620 Thu, 02 Oct 2008 14:26:33 EDT Re: EVDO and Parabolic HG2424G Antenna http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21178966 heimdm : As soon as I get my gear hooked up and conduct a proof of concept setup, I will post updated on how it is going. I sure hope this works otherwise I may have to move.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21178966 Sat, 27 Sep 2008 17:28:38 EDT Re: EVDO and Parabolic HG2424G Antenna http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21178953 Bluenote : Sounds very simular to this location, at the very end of a 1500' private road. Terrain is slightly rolling hills about 100' above sea level, heavily wooded.

With the signal of -83 to -87 dbm the download speed is around 1200 to 1500 kbps down and 300 to 500 kbps up in the morning through afternoon, but speeds up slightly in the evening after the sun goes down to around 1800 to 2000 kbps down and 500+ kbps up with the higher numbers late at night and early morning.

The local cable company is still trying to get their service up and running again, so I would imagine a lot of people may be using EVDO for internet around here until it gets back to normal.

Our cell phones show an occasional EVDO signal on them, but randomly and never over a bar, so I believe that if your phone shows an indication of some kind of EVDO signal, the HG2424G should hear it so much better, as the case here. I was astounded by the improvement of the signal this thing made.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21178953 Sat, 27 Sep 2008 17:25:48 EDT Re: EVDO and Parabolic HG2424G Antenna http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21177842 heimdm : My location is up with a lot of trees and some hills. I have a tower at 5.9 miles and another at 7.4 miles. I ordered a 15ft 195 Series cable (Low Loss 50ohm), connectors are N-Male and FME-Female. I tried subscriber to accel networks evdo offering. However, the gear they sent me was only able to pickup 1x RTT signal. I live down a 1/2 mile shared driveway. At the other end of the drieway, my Samsung i760 switches over to EVDO, so based on that I have got to believe the signal is nearby. At present I just want to see if I can get the Verizon card to kick over to EVDO on my property. How is your speed at -85dbm?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21177842 Sat, 27 Sep 2008 12:20:37 EDT Re: EVDO and Parabolic HG2424G Antenna http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21177834 Bluenote : heimdm

I re-read your original post and the information was right there about your location. Looks like old folks syndrome has already started to set in here...Sorry...
Lets us hear about your results, Thanx]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21177834 Sat, 27 Sep 2008 12:19:28 EDT Re: EVDO and Parabolic HG2424G Antenna http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21177746 Bluenote : Just curious about your location. Is there a tower within 8 miles of your location? Lots of tall trees? What kind of cable will you use? I have tried LMR-400,and 9913 but seem to have the best results with a 50'piece of Andrew LDF4 heliax that I got on Ebay a few years back. It's stiff and bulky and a little hard to work with. I have my antenna on a 16' piece of galvanized pipe which is temporary until the roof is repaired from the storm, but it clears the roof level by about 3' ...just enough to get a look toward the towers.

I can imagine how much more it will see when it is mounted on a tripod with 10' of pipe on the roof itself. The verizon folks have told me that their service should be restored within a few more days.

I have also ordered the Wilson direct connect amp/pwr supply and the female/female connectors for the cable. I am hoping for better results, but this morning I am looking at a -85 dbm signal from a tower 5.5 miles through the woods that I was not able to see with the yagi.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21177746 Sat, 27 Sep 2008 11:54:34 EDT Re: EVDO and Parabolic HG2424G Antenna http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21177331 heimdm : I just ordered the antenna, cable, and pigtail for the Novatel 620. I should have all the gear by the end of next week. If the antenna gets the card to detect EVDO signal, then I will probably get the wilson booster to help with the signal. If it does not atleast detect EVDO signal, then I am probably out of luck. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21177331 Sat, 27 Sep 2008 09:58:41 EDT Re: EVDO and Parabolic HG2424G Antenna http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21176654 Bluenote : No amp as of yet, but I feel that it will improve the signal.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21176654 Sat, 27 Sep 2008 00:45:02 EDT Re: EVDO and Parabolic HG2424G Antenna http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21176126 heimdm : How do I find out what evdo freq. my tower is on?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21176126 Fri, 26 Sep 2008 22:39:56 EDT Re: EVDO and Parabolic HG2424G Antenna http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21175198 Mattie_B : Not to Hi Jack your thread but I was wondering myself about the 900Mhz Parabolic Grid's. They don't seem to make one in the 800Mhz spectrum which is what my towers run on around here.

Does anyone have a positive experience with the 900Mhz Grids on Verizon's 800Mhz frequency? I'm currently using a 14dBi 800Mhz Yagi/Inteligain amp combo. It seems atm I'm having a backward interference problem from a closer but slower tower. Was hoping to try that 900mhz grid out and see if it did any better.

»www.l-com.com/item.aspx?id=10050

Its annoying right now. I'm getting a -56dBm but if I disconnect I can't reconnect currently. Unless I go out and aim my Yagi at a closer tower. After connect the signal drops out and it actually connects to a faster tower father away but won't dial directly to it because its trying to connect to the slower one. It gets annoying going outside and spinning my antenna around. But its worth it to get better speeds like this.

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21175198 Fri, 26 Sep 2008 20:01:55 EDT Re: EVDO and Parabolic HG2424G Antenna http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21173118 heimdm : Do you have an AMP on it or are you just connecting it directly to your aircard?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21173118 Fri, 26 Sep 2008 13:39:00 EDT Re: EVDO and Parabolic HG2424G Antenna http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21172563 Bluenote : After replacing a Wilson 1900 mhz Yagi with a HG2424G I experienced a very positive experience. The signal strength from the distant tower 8.5 miles NLOS (heavily wooded area)improved from -91 dbm to -75 dbm. I am finding signal from towers that were not available before. The difference is dramatic.
This area has been damaged by Hurricane Ike, a lot of trees down and power service outages to still a few customers. The tower that was once a favorite, 4.5 miles NLOS has yet to be found. The tower is standing but has no signal, most likely the thing got damaged from the storm . Facing the parabolic towards a distant town 13 miles in the opposite direction (NLOS) yields a weak but usable -98 to -103 signal that was not detectable with the Wilson 1900 mhz yagi and a Sierra 595 aircard.
Yes...the Hyperlink HG2424G is a very good antenna for the price! I plan on testing it further with different feedline, increasing the elevation, and uptilt.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21172563 Fri, 26 Sep 2008 12:05:54 EDT EVDO and Parabolic HG2424G Antenna http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21001373 heimdm : Has anyone had any luck with using the Hyperlinktech/L-Com 2424G (»www.hyperlinktech.com/productfam···id=295)? I am in a Non-Line of Sight Situation with 75-90 foot trees all around. Approximate distance to the tower is about 5 miles.

Thanks.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21001373 Sun, 24 Aug 2008 22:16:40 EDT