 tiger72SexaT duorPPremium join:2001-03-28 Saint Louis, MO kudos:1 | reply to hayabusa3303
Re: one more way. how's that? |
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 tiger72SexaT duorPPremium join:2001-03-28 Saint Louis, MO kudos:1 | They haven't raised my rates... In fact, I just got ~20 new HD channels thanks to SDV. |
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 | reply to insomniac84 said by insomniac84:Per tv fees added to your already high monthly rate. Same as satellite TV. Get used to it. |
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 | reply to tiger72 said by tiger72:They haven't raised my rates... In fact, I just got ~20 new HD channels thanks to SDV. Because you are already renting the equipment. If you hooked up 4 more tvs, are they going to get those 20 new channels for no extra charge(The way analog cable has been for decades)? |
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 fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium join:2005-05-20 kudos:3 1 edit | decades??? wow. but back to reality. I suppose you're one of those people that believe that once you have something, it should always remain the same, right?
Then why not migrate back from digital cable and go back to standard 30 channel analog fed from microwave towers, poor picture quality, and all the rest that came with it.. I mean, why change as you said, right?
And, to correct the record, "for decades" it was never 'all the televisions you could hook up' for free.. if you recall, they charged per outlet until 1996 when the law changed.. |
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 | said by fiberguy:if you recall, they charged per outlet until 1996 when the law changed. Cute. Right now the only reason you need to rent all that extra equipment is because cable companies are encrypting channels. Otherwise your hd tv could tune the channels itself. When cable companies dump analog, they damn well better offer an unencrypted basic tier. Personally I don't know why any consumer would have a problem with paying one price to hook your tvs up. Why rent equipment just so a cable company can cut your tv off the day after your bill was due? It's damn stupid to have to rent boxes just to give the cable company a lazy way to cut off late payers. |
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 tiger72SexaT duorPPremium join:2001-03-28 Saint Louis, MO kudos:1 | TWC doesn't cut people off for months. At least 3 months. As for cable boxes - if you don't like it, DONT GET IT! Get satellite. If people stopped paying for the boxes, then cable companies would make clear-QAM the new basic cable! |
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 56403739Less than 5 months leftPremium join:2006-03-08 Naples, FL kudos:2 | How does that have anything to do with paying for cable boxes? Or anything in the reality-based world for that matter?
Each one of these revenue-raising tactics, taken in a vacuum, is negligible, but as a whole they are a death of a thousand financial cuts. Each one of these rented boxes is revenue (despite what some here will claim) and gets reported as such to prop up the income figures. Don't kid yourself...it's definitely not just about HD channels. |
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| said by 56403739:How does that have anything to do with paying for cable boxes? Or anything in the reality-based world for that matter? Each one of these revenue-raising tactics, taken in a vacuum, is negligible, but as a whole they are a death of a thousand financial cuts. Each one of these rented boxes is revenue (despite what some here will claim) and gets reported as such to prop up the income figures. Don't kid yourself...it's definitely not just about HD channels. wtf are you talking about?
If you don't like paying a box rental fee, then switch to the competitor: Satellite. Or, god forbid, go without cable altogether! -- "What makes us omniscient? Have we a record of omniscience? ...If we can't persuade nations with comparable values of the merit of our cause, we'd better reexamine our reasoning." -United States Secretary of Defense (1961-1968) Robert S. McNamara |
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 fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium join:2005-05-20 kudos:3 | reply to insomniac84 Yea.. that's it.
Now, imagine your service if they had to roll a truck like they did in the past for everything..
Don't let your silliness blind your ability to think clearly. Your entire post was wrong.. When you're cut off now, you lose only the digital tiers in about 95% of all systems.. you still get the 70 channel basic..
care to try that notion again?
Stop being silly. |
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 fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium join:2005-05-20 kudos:3 | reply to tiger72 when are you going to learn or get it through your head that there will NEVER be clear QAM digital basic!?
You can't control channel tiers with out security - period! Get your head out of basic analog cable and traps.. those days are over. If you want clear QAM basic, guess what? Expect to pay more, for one, and expect to lose out on the ability to have just a lower tier 1 basic tier for about $10 a month. There's so much more to say but it's not worth it. |
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 fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium join:2005-05-20 kudos:3 | reply to tiger72 'wtf are you talking about?
If you don't like paying a box rental fee, then switch to the competitor: Satellite. Or, god forbid, go without cable altogether!"
and WTF are YOU talking about, clueless? Go to satellite to stop paying for a converter rental fee? are you kidding us with this?
Let me educate you here. When the mini-dish service came out, you purchased each and every box for about $200 a piece, sometimes $300 or more for sony. (Go Figure) and then, on TOP of owning your boxes, you got charged $5.00 for outlets 2 and up.. Today, at least you don't have to buy your boxes, somewhat, but you STILL get charged for the $5.00 fee.
Please.. try to make sense.. and if you're going to bitch just to complain, at least admit you don't actually understand the topic at hand.. stop pretending. |
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| reply to fiberguy said by fiberguy:when are you going to learn or get it through your head that there will NEVER be clear QAM digital basic!? You can't control channel tiers with out security - period! Get your head out of basic analog cable and traps.. those days are over. If you want clear QAM basic, guess what? Expect to pay more, for one, and expect to lose out on the ability to have just a lower tier 1 basic tier for about $10 a month. There's so much more to say but it's not worth it. Uhh. Yeah. No shit.  It was a simple remark re: a market economy. If you don't like it, then put your money where your mouth is. -- "What makes us omniscient? Have we a record of omniscience? ...If we can't persuade nations with comparable values of the merit of our cause, we'd better reexamine our reasoning." -United States Secretary of Defense (1961-1968) Robert S. McNamara |
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 ChrisXPUnited We Stand, Divided We FallPremium join:2002-12-13 USA 2 edits | reply to insomniac84 said by insomniac84 :
Because you are already renting the equipment. If you hooked up 4 more tvs, are they going to get those 20 new channels for no extra charge(The way analog cable has been for decades)? No. And I refuse, simply and absolutely REFUSE to pay $21/mon on one PVR box for one TV, and $6/mon on each digital converter box for the other TVs. I have one converter box, and that's the max I'll pay for digital channels. For HD, it'll just have to wait.
They're socking it to customers to buy those setup boxes like cable complained that the dish offered. Now, they're doing the exact same thing.
It's no wonder why most still stick with analog -- one line, and all TVs can run off of it for the price of the cable TV alone. -- Zionism is a crime
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 | reply to tiger72 said by tiger72:It was a simple remark re: a market economy. If you don't like it, then put your money where your mouth is. The problem is that it doesn't matter where I put my money, it matters where everyone puts their money(of course I have already stated the apartment I live in only has cable, nothing else, so I have zero choice for tv and internet). And right now people buy cable and have no other choice but to pay any fee the company bills them. And collusion is a huge problem because even if you had competition, both companies benefit with per tv fees. So they both do it. Just think about what is going to happen in 5 years when they need something else to boost the stock price? Whatever they come up with isn't going to be pretty. I can imagine something insane like implementing per channel fees on top of your already high bill to remove the broadcast flag on each single channel. So you have to pay a separate fee for each channel you want to use your tivo on. If consumers don't oppose this crap now, once they are all digital and they have full control of each channel, the fees are going to be crazy. Hell they could even work out per tv show fees. Do you really think it's ok for a company to jack rates up just because they aren't signing up as many new customers? We as consumers get the benefits of paying more for less if we let it happen. |
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| so what you're trying to say is this:
1. You MUST have pay TV. OTA is unacceptable. 2. You as an individual have no control over the cost of services. 3. As a people we can do something about the cost of services... but you're not willing to start.
This is why i'm surprised you post in the RR... If you don't like their services, STOP GIVING THEM MONEY. If that means you go without seeing the latest The Hills episode, then so be it.
I went without cable for 3 years in college because it was a bad value. I got an HDTV, and started watching more TV, so now I have cable because it's worth it for me. In other words, i've practiced what I preached, and I'm more than willing to go back to OTA (and download my shows) if cable raises rates. -- "What makes us omniscient? Have we a record of omniscience? ...If we can't persuade nations with comparable values of the merit of our cause, we'd better reexamine our reasoning." -United States Secretary of Defense (1961-1968) Robert S. McNamara |
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 | reply to insomniac84 said by insomniac84:(of course I have already stated the apartment I live in only has cable, nothing else, so I have zero choice for tv and internet). And right now people buy cable and have no other choice but to pay any fee the company bills them. Unless the cable company has a special "Monopoly" priced tier for people in Apartment buildings with "no choice," I really don't see how the pricing is unfair.
And how can you say people have no choice? They clearly have the choice not to buy anything, or did someone force them to do it? Seriously? Until TV is required to live, there is always a choice.
If you're forced to live in an apartment with no other TV choices, and then on top of that, forced to pay for cable TV, then I'm not sure how you can be helped. You should probably call the police and report a kidnapping. |
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 | reply to tiger72 It was affordable for me in college because multiple people shared. You can pay one price and split it among multiple tvs. But you lose that ability with encrypted digital. And the worst is that they can easily implement rules on that. They could allow residential houses to add extra boxes for just the rental fee, but force anyone in an apartment to pay full price for each tv. They can deem certain residences as one tv areas. And don't think they won't. They did it for me when I lived in a fraternity. A house of 40 people and they wanted us to pay full price for each cable drop activated. Of course it being analog, their ploy didn't work. |
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| reply to tiger72 You watch The Hills???? Sad.... I love your comment "stop giving them money" Well what are you supposed to do when you want cable and internet and you have no other choice?
Canceling their service really just screws you over not the cable company. Most people will not cancel, they will just complain because many people do not want to go without cable and internet. When it comes to utilities, we should have government caps in place to prevent these companies from gouging us. Just like with gasoline and electricity, it will take prices that make us poor before we will give them up. Gasoline is getting very close to that and cable companies are on their way.
Just as companies raise rates for TV, they will start download caps and raise rates of your internet.
What if you reach your download cap for the month and you need your "the hills" tv show fix, then you will wish you did not cancel your cable to stick it to the man. -- »www.ryanoneill.us |
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