| | MPEG-2 > MPEG-4 Nothing to "toot their own horn" about. MPEG-2 is superior to MPEG-4. The only reason DISH Network and DirecTV want to use MPEG-4 is so they can compress their signals even more, and we can be subjected to even more pixelation.
Both DISH Network and DirecTV should have limited MPEG-4 to HD Local channels that don't really matter. Premium channel providers like HBO, Showtime, Starz, etc. should be complaining that the signal that the end user is getting is subpar. | |
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1 edit | Re: MPEG-2 > MPEG-4 said by richardak:Nothing to "toot their own horn" about. MPEG-2 is superior to MPEG-4. The only reason DISH Network and DirecTV want to use MPEG-4 is so they can compress their signals even more, and we can be subjected to even more pixelation. Both DISH Network and DirecTV should have limited MPEG-4 to HD Local channels that don't really matter. Premium channel providers like HBO, Showtime, Starz, etc. should be complaining that the signal that the end user is getting is subpar. It isn't that simple. MPEG2 can be superior to MPEG4 in some situations, in others it will be inferior. MPEG4 HD really shines at the 13-16Mbps rate where MPEG2 is better at 20Mbps+.
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 | | | Re: MPEG-2 > MPEG-4 The bitrates do not need to be nearly that high. Another item to note is that virtually NONE of the channels that Dish transmits in 1080p originate that way. There aren't any US programmers that send 1080p via satellite to Dish or Direct. Dish may be able to send 1080p video on demand by sourcing it from Blue-Ray or another digital source.
1080p from dish is nothing but advertising hype. What all cable companies need to do is quit re-compressing the master feed. Send it through in the same format that it arrives in. None of them do this except for Verizon FIOS. Satellite companies don't have enough bandwidth so they must switch to MPEG4 technologies to squeeze more channels up there. If they allowed a decent bitrate the video would look quite good.
Another thing to watch is the 1080P hype or 720p. That is only the vertical resolution. What Dish and Direct don't tell you is the horizontal resolution. 1080p should be 1920x1080p, but it is rarely sent as that. The same with 720p. Even SD channels are routinely sent as 576x432 or lower resolution when they should be sent at 720x480 anamorphic (DVD Spec).
To this date Verizon FIOS is the best option. They send the video through in it's native DIGITAL format. Whatever they get from the programmer is what you get on your TV. So with Verizon the "crap in, crap out" is a true statement. Verizon claims they do NOT recompress or alter the program stream they receive from the programmer.
Take it for what it's worth. I have C-band and can watch some master feeds. Most people don't know what good looking HD is except from Blu-Ray or HD-DVD. | |
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If MPEG4 is so bad, then why is HBO converting its lineup over to MPEG4 here soon?
Simply put while yes MPEG4 is more compression, its a more EFFICIENT form of compression. The admount of bandwith and single MPEG2 feed takes up, could hold 2 or 3 MPEG$ channels, while maintaining same image quality (Assuming 20MB/s for MPEG2 and 10-12 MB/s for MPEG4).
There are numerious reasons for pixelation, and not all rest on the shoulders of Dish or DirecTV or any cable company. Some are issues with the programming providers feed, such as uplink issues and failing equiptment. While outhers are their faults esp with satellite which come in the form of rain fade, strong winds knocking out of alignment the dish, ect... Yes the day after very strong winds/storms is the number one reason for service calls for both providers. I've been there, 10 dish realigns a day bc of some near tornadic winds swept through. No tech is able to tighten down a dish enough that a dish wont budge duing that event.
The future is MPEG4 if you want more HD. As no single provider has the capital to uplink/broadcast every HD channel around using MPEG2, thers just not enough bandwith. The only provider possably able to escape it is Verizon FiOS, and even with them i am unshure of exactly how their system is setup, last i herd it was transmitting 850mhz of fiber just like cable does and that they may need to go all iptv to had unlimited hd channels, but they do have however unlimited bandwith with the fiber, its just the end equiptment that limits the admount. | |
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| | | | Re: MPEG-2 > MPEG-4 and as i said i wasent too familiar with their setup as im stuck in at&t land. i'd move one county north, if i knew for shure they would roll out fios. Yes one county to the north of me verizon land, an ex-gte area. | |
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| | | | | | Re: MPEG-2 > MPEG-4 AT&T U-Hearse
Your funeral. Delivered.
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| | | | | | | | Re: MPEG-2 > MPEG-4 eh it needs more work, give me some time i'll have it looking like a real at&t vehicle lol | |
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Valencia, CA
kudos:1 | Re: MPEG-2 > MPEG-4 Go for it! lol | |
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| Re: MPEG-2 > MPEG-4 ASK AND YE SHALL RECIEVE MY BROTHERS, MY PHOTOSHOP WASENT WORKING SO THIS WAS THE BEST I CAN DO. | |
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join:2000-05-31
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kudos:1 | Re: MPEG-2 > MPEG-4 Nice! LOL 
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Reisterstown, MD | Re: MPEG-2 > MPEG-4 In some cases, I do prefer LPs over CDs.
In some cases, I do prefer analog over digital.
I definitely prefer analog power supplies to digital ( for guitars ).
But then again, I was an analog tech many moons ago. | |
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