HiDesert
join:2008-08-17
1 edit | "a slew of private corporate-sponsored parties"
This was dead wrong.. A total violation of the 4th amendment. The democrats are no better then the Bush admin. I still can't believe they did this. At least my Telco Qwest did not allow illegal wiretaps. And reading about these parties really burns me up. What corruption. |
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tiger72
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| Really? You really can't believe they did this?
Partisanship has only hidden the reality of politics. Each side points and cries "THEY are horrible!". When it comes down to it, both parties do the same crap, just under different banners.
Stop voting (D)
Stop voting (R)
Vote on the issues, and this will stop. Until then, it'll continue to be business as usual.
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jimbo2150
join:2004-05-10
Youngstown, OH
| said by tiger72  :Stop voting (D) Stop voting (R) Who would you recommend then? If you don't vote D and don't vote R, you are not left with much. You suggest no one be president? Open office? ;P |
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en102
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join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
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I agree. Both want your support for their agendas, and both are horrible.
Whether it's the Democrats:
Tax us till we break, and spend irresponsibly (medical/medicare fraud, general wasteful spending). Sue for discrimination wherever possible, and kill off any hope of running your own business.
Or the Republicans:
Sell it all to the highest bidder, outsource north America, and still raise fees on everything possible. Become the world's police, for corporate interests.
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Jonbo298
join:2004-01-12
Council Bluffs, IA | reply to jimbo2150
There are other parties besides those 2 (I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not). Independents are the next largest, green party, etc.. |
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tiger72
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said by jimbo2150 :said by tiger72 :Stop voting (D) Stop voting (R) Who would you recommend then? If you don't vote D and don't vote R, you are not left with much. You suggest no one be president? Open office? ;P At the current rate things are going, that just might work!
There are many 3rd parties who would love your support, and chances are there are 3rd parties which line up with precisely what you want - whether they're Reform, Green, Libertarians, or Constitutionalists...
But as long as we're stuck in the (D)-(R) chasm, we're going to just continue to fall.
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cornelius785
join:2006-10-26
Worcester, MA
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i hate this whole 'outsourcing' issue on how people cry like BABIES all over it. it is a FACT OF LIFE that it happens, you can NOT stop unless you cut off entirely from the world (nothing in or out of the country). i'd suggest anyone concerned with 'outsourcing' should take a good look at history. find me a place in time in which a technology or knowledge or 'jobs' did not get 'outsourced' to another country or place. we live, now more so than ever, in a world with a tightly intertwined global economy in which some competition is not confined to just locally. |
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jmn1207
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said by tiger72 :Really? You really can't believe they did this? Partisanship has only hidden the reality of politics. Each side points and cries "THEY are horrible!". When it comes down to it, both parties do the same crap, just under different banners. Stop voting (D) Stop voting (R) Vote on the issues, and this will stop. Until then, it'll continue to be business as usual. I just want to see a national debate with a 3rd party participating. We generally keep voting the incumbents back into office over and over again and we are going nowhere. There is very little separating a Democrat from a Republican other than the direction the mud is being slung. I keep hearing how I am wasting my vote by casting mine for anything other than R or D each election, but I know in my heart that I am really doing the right thing, and we have to start somewhere. |
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GOLFnSUN
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said by tiger72 :There are many 3rd parties who would love your support, and chances are there are 3rd parties which line up with precisely what you want - whether they're Reform, Green, Libertarians, or Constitutionalists... But as long as we're stuck in the (D)-(R) chasm, we're going to just continue to fall. said by jmn1207 :I just want to see a national debate with a 3rd party participating. The problem with most 3rd parties is that they spend too much time and money on national campaigns. If they went whole hog in a limited # of selected states they could actually get people elected to Congress(especially the House) and then use their leverage in a non-majority D-R split in Congress to negotiate some of the things they want and gain higher visibility for future elections. Until they do that they are going nowhere in Presidential elections.
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tiger72
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clubs: | The LP is doing this to an extent, and slowly making inroads... |
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MysticGogeta
The Robot Devil
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League City, TX
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Yeah both party's do suck. However there never will be a perfect president from either party so you have to deal with BS all the time.
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MrMoody
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said by jmn1207 :I just want to see a national debate with a 3rd party participating. Me too. Unfortunately neither the Ds, Rs nor media want this to happen, therefore it doesn't.
I keep hearing how I am wasting my vote by casting mine for anything other than R or D each election, but I know in my heart that I am really doing the right thing, and we have to start somewhere. You said it, brother. I am sick of this, and I fully intend to vote for any third name that gets on my ballot, or write in someone (probably Nader) if there isn't. They have virtually no chance of winning, but if enough of us do it, maybe people will take heart and they will have a chance next time ...
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nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
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said by jimbo2150 :said by tiger72 :Stop voting (D) Stop voting (R) Who would you recommend then? If you don't vote D and don't vote R, you are not left with much. You suggest no one be president? Open office? ;P I would recommend you find out how your representative and your senators voted. If their votes don't agree with your values, vote their @ss out of office.
It is correct to say this isn't really a D or an R issue - both sides (especially the Dem leadership) are equally craven and corrupt.
one telling fact: the republicans couldn't get the immunity provision thru when they controlled congress; they were enabled and abetted by a democratically controlled legislature. |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | reply to cornelius785
I do agree that outsourcing is inevitable.
The issue that the politicians need to watch is the trade deficit, and who 'owns' the country.
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tschmidt
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said by jmn1207 : I keep hearing how I am wasting my vote by casting mine for anything other than R or D each election, but I know in my heart that I am really doing the right thing, and we have to start somewhere. I tend to agree with the Democrats so in general have no problem voting for them.
If you find neither Republican nor Democratic acceptable then I think voting for a third party candidate is a good idea, better then not voting. With our winner take all system it is hard for third party candidates to gain enough traction to be elected. However they can and do influence the debate. In that role even though they do not win elections they perform a valuable service and voting for them provides a strong message to incumbents about popular sentiment.
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SLD
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join:2002-04-17 | reply to jimbo2150
Nader! |
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Maggs
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join:2002-11-29
Woodside, NY | reply to GOLFnSUN
He's got a point, start small and kick some ass. Divide and Conquer as they say.
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DownTheShore
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said by SLD :Nader! Oh, puleez... 
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SLD
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join:2002-04-17 | reply to DownTheShore
Re: "a slew of private corporate-sponsored parties"
I guess if you are against people who fight for consumer protections, that is the appropriate response. |
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