jimbo2150
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Re: "a slew of private corporate-sponsored parties"
said by tiger72  :Stop voting (D) Stop voting (R) Who would you recommend then? If you don't vote D and don't vote R, you are not left with much. You suggest no one be president? Open office? ;P |
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Jonbo298
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Council Bluffs, IA | There are other parties besides those 2 (I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not). Independents are the next largest, green party, etc.. |
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tiger72
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said by jimbo2150 :said by tiger72 :Stop voting (D) Stop voting (R) Who would you recommend then? If you don't vote D and don't vote R, you are not left with much. You suggest no one be president? Open office? ;P At the current rate things are going, that just might work!
There are many 3rd parties who would love your support, and chances are there are 3rd parties which line up with precisely what you want - whether they're Reform, Green, Libertarians, or Constitutionalists...
But as long as we're stuck in the (D)-(R) chasm, we're going to just continue to fall.
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1 edit | said by tiger72 :There are many 3rd parties who would love your support, and chances are there are 3rd parties which line up with precisely what you want - whether they're Reform, Green, Libertarians, or Constitutionalists... But as long as we're stuck in the (D)-(R) chasm, we're going to just continue to fall. said by jmn1207 :I just want to see a national debate with a 3rd party participating. The problem with most 3rd parties is that they spend too much time and money on national campaigns. If they went whole hog in a limited # of selected states they could actually get people elected to Congress(especially the House) and then use their leverage in a non-majority D-R split in Congress to negotiate some of the things they want and gain higher visibility for future elections. Until they do that they are going nowhere in Presidential elections.
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tiger72
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nasadude
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said by jimbo2150 :said by tiger72 :Stop voting (D) Stop voting (R) Who would you recommend then? If you don't vote D and don't vote R, you are not left with much. You suggest no one be president? Open office? ;P I would recommend you find out how your representative and your senators voted. If their votes don't agree with your values, vote their @ss out of office.
It is correct to say this isn't really a D or an R issue - both sides (especially the Dem leadership) are equally craven and corrupt.
one telling fact: the republicans couldn't get the immunity provision thru when they controlled congress; they were enabled and abetted by a democratically controlled legislature. |
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SLD
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Nader! |
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He's got a point, start small and kick some ass. Divide and Conquer as they say.
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DownTheShore
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said by SLD :Nader! Oh, puleez... 
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SLD
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join:2002-04-17 | I guess if you are against people who fight for consumer protections, that is the appropriate response. |
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hottboiinnc
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said by nasadude :It is correct to say this isn't really a D or an R issue - both sides (especially the Dem leadership) are equally craven and corrupt. And the Democrats would equally say "especially the Republican Leadership."
What you just said is "Both sides suck, but the Dems suck worse, so vote for Republicans" which undermines the entire point, really.
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DownTheShore
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said by SLD :I guess if you are against people who fight for consumer protections, that is the appropriate response. Not against them at all - in fact I support them. But Nader is a man whose time has come and gone as a viable third party candidate. The only role he has now is as a spoiler, and his presence in the presidential race has already helped the Bush machine one too many times. I don't want to see his presence do the same for McCain.
His voice would be better served organizing people to push the consumer agenda into party platforms - not getting a soundbite on the news stations.
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said by Jonbo298 :There are other parties besides those 2 (I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not). Independents are the next largest, green party, etc.. Unfortunately, if you aren't red or blue, you have essentially no chance of getting into office. There are only 2 Congress Critters in federal office that are not affiliated with either major party, Joseph Lieberman and Bernie Sanders. Lieberman was formerly affiliated with the Democrats and both caucus with them. Prior to Sanders being elected, the previous independent in the house was in 1950. |
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SLD
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The point is that "party platforms" are just corporate-driven agendas. I applaud his ability to "spoil" the race by forcing the major parties to take the third-pary will seriously. Same for the voters - make them aware that there really could be a choice. I could care less whether McBush or Obama get elected - the outcome will be the same 4 years from now. Corporate agendas will be furthered by the administration at the cost of the citizens. |
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jmn1207
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| said by SLD :I could care less whether McBush or Obama get elected - the outcome will be the same 4 years from now. Corporate agendas will be furthered by the administration at the cost of the citizens. I'm willing to bet that the minimum wage is increased at some point in an attempt to gather some votes, further adding to the already skyrocketing inflation, and, naturally, congress will surely give themselves a raise at some point over the next 4 years. Anything that else that gets done will most likely be a few passed bills with deceiving names that help a few C-level types at large companies at the rest of our expense. |
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| Do you realize that the minimum wage is $12.43 hour in Australia, nearly every other civilized country is much higher than us and they almost all get 6 weeks paid vacation per year, in Australia tax free, why don't you look at the inflation rates in other countries- you are talking complete nonsense with your "skyrocketing inflation" |
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ChrisXP
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| said by ultracooldave :
Do you realize that the minimum wage is $12.43 hour in Australia, nearly every other civilized country is much higher than us and they almost all get 6 weeks paid vacation per year, in Australia tax free, why don't you look at the inflation rates in other countries- you are talking complete nonsense with your "skyrocketing inflation"
They aren't a super power, let alone innovators of technology, either. If we modelled our businesses after the French, with their 30hr days and other Socialist perks, we'll be in their same position.
Everytime the pay scale goes up, the cost for goods also goes up. So what is bought at $8/hr now for $5, will jump to $10 @ $16/hr.
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| said by ChrisXP :Everytime the pay scale goes up, the cost for goods also goes up. So what is bought at $8/hr now for $5, will jump to $10 @ $16/hr. That's false. It assumes labor is the only cost of a product.
It is true that rising wages contribute to inflation. In europe, the way unions negotiate contracts that tie wage increases to inflation, it contributes to prolonged inflation. But, it's not like the costs of goods rise by the same percentage as the union wages did. Because the cost of goods includes the cost of materials, transportation, office space, etc.
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ChrisXP
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| said by amigo_boy :That's false. It assumes labor is the only cost of a product. It is true that rising wages contribute to inflation. In europe, the way unions negotiate contracts that tie wage increases to inflation, it contributes to prolonged inflation. But, it's not like the costs of goods rise by the same percentage as the union wages did. Because the cost of goods includes the cost of materials, transportation, office space, etc. It assumes that businesses will pass on any wage increases to the consumer.
Unions increase the overall price of everything when they want to increase wages. The South has a lower price for goods because the pay scale is lower (and we don't have many unions -- heck, even the employees vote them down without the employers hounding them). Goto San Francisco and NYC, and see how expensive it is compared to Atlanta due to the pay scale differences. Everything goes up when the pay goes up -- food; transportation; housing; even entertainment.
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