Kearnstd
Elf Wizard
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join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ
| reply to Forlin
Re: Is this real?
dont worry the fact mace spec is no longer unlimited stun means if it goes live as that with the 3.0 patch you will feel a disturbance in the force as 10,000 rogues cry out in agony.
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Forlin
join:2007-11-21
Anchorage, AK
2 edits | reply to Forlin
Good, I think the combat spec is pretty boring, and maces proc far too much. It's like there's no correlation between the 5% chance to proc and the actual number of stuns they produce. Rogues aren't supposed to use hammers anyway.. not rogue-like at all. We're supposed to be sneaky barstewards and whacking someone over the head with a hammer isn't exactly subtle.
I reckon shs is the funnest rogue spec and mutilation a great alternative if you're more into pve. hemo / shs with sparkly swords ftw. |
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Kearnstd
Elf Wizard
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join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ
| reply to Forlin
rogues are just a plain silly class, suppose to be sneaky and they have some of the most flashy weapons in the game. however since stealth doesn't work like Splintercell i guess it doesn't matter. would be pretty funny if rogues had to do true sneaking like Solid Snake or Sam Fisher though.
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Forlin
join:2007-11-21
Anchorage, AK | reply to Forlin
You mean we aren't supposed to move around like Sam Fisher? Damn, no wonder everyone gets so mad at me when I'm carrying the flag in WSG... and I thought 30 minutes was a pretty good time to go from flag room to flag room.. |
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crazediamond
That's Dr. Craze to you
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join:2002-01-19
Germantown, MD
| reply to Kearnstd
said by Kearnstd  :dont worry the fact mace spec is no longer unlimited stun means if it goes live as that with the 3.0 patch you will feel a disturbance in the force as 10,000 rogues cry out in agony. Its not that big of a deal. The only reason to be mace spec for a rogue at this point is what? An ar/prep hold out I suppose. Otherwise you're going to be shadowstep which means you can't put 25 points into combat.
That's why it's only minorly annoying that mace spec is being replaced by something that's 100% useless and no rogue should ever spec it. |
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SkellBasher
Yes Sorto, I'll take my Prozac
join:2000-10-22
North Tonawanda, NY
| reply to pp03
Re: Is this real?
said by pp03 :All PvP locks will have unstable affliction, yes rogue, dispell yourself and take a 5k nuke :P There's only one problem with that. Cloak of Bullshit is not a dispel, it's a remove. It does not trigger the UA dispel bomb. |
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drew
Reformation
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join:2002-07-10
Port Orchard, WA
clubs: | Someone has to be the counter to locks. Rogues just happen to be that counter. |
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gordom
join:2006-06-14
Antelope, CA
| said by drew :Someone has to be the counter to locks. Rogues just happen to be that counter. to about everyone |
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mlody
join:2000-07-26
Des Plaines, IL
| reply to saillaw
said by saillaw :I've never played a Rogue past lvl 6. But I don't find them to be overpowered in PVP. Maybe it feels that way for some classes, but for others they are pretty easy to controll (at least one on one). My hunter eats rogues for breakfast one on one. My Pally and Druid do ok against them. From what I've seen it also looks like warriors have no problem with rogues. That being said, if two rogues team up and ambush me at the same time, its virtually impossible to do anything before I'm dead. man, you made my day when you said your hunter eats rogues lol. please do yourself a BIG favor, and ask on general to duel a rogue who is in 2000+ bracet and come back here and tell us who eats who then?
My hunter 4/5 s4 gear - eats only noob rogues or the one who are not pvp spec'ed . If a rogue knows what to do, I am dead and there is nothing i can do (as a class) - simple like that. |
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Forlin
join:2007-11-21
Anchorage, AK
| reply to Forlin
Yep it's called stunlock and hunters don't have the armour to outlast it, even if you trinket. Only plate wearers, disc priests and trees can outlast a full set of rogue stuns, and only if they know their stuff.
I have a hunter that I got reasonable ratings with in the seasons 1-3. I never found an answer to a rogue that knew his stuff except to hope that my healer wouldn't get CC'd. |
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quatra
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join:2003-06-22
Matthews, NC
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| reply to Forlin
said by Forlin :Only warriors and paladins seem immune, as our hits are mosquito bites, but everyone else not in plate is fair game. Don't forget about the reworking of ArP to be more effective against warriors and pali's |
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kywirelessgu
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join:2004-01-25
Nicholasville, KY
clubs: | On my BM hunter I have 18 seconds to kill the rogue...if I don't I'm generally dead.
But who specs BM for pvp? I'm just a pve'er who bg's occasionally. |
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Zyncotl
Zed X
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join:2002-09-13
Wayne, MI
| said by kywirelessgu :On my BM hunter I have 18 seconds to kill the rogue...if I don't I'm generally dead. But who specs BM for pvp? I'm just a pve'er who bg's occasionally. Maybe hunters who know how to PvP would be better qualified to talk.
It's funny how many people talk about classes that OP and bitch about them then finish with "I just PvP randomly". (This is not specifically at you kywirelessgu). It just seems that the only people who should be talking smack about classes in PvP are those that PvP almost exclusively or at least are able to reach the upper ranks of Arena.
Being an occasional BG PvPer is like someone who runs heroics talking about Raiding.
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AB_Mobile
@spcsdns.net
| reply to gordom
said by gordom :said by drew :Someone has to be the counter to locks. Rogues just happen to be that counter. to about everyone Try jumping a warrior or paladin on a rogue. Their armor lasts and lasts, and warriors especially love your squishy leather if you aren't burning evasion/GS. There are rogue strats availiable, but it isn't a fight that rogues are looking forward to. |
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kywirelessgu
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join:2004-01-25
Nicholasville, KY
clubs:
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1 edit | I definatly don't thinks rogues are OP. Or resto druids for that matter. My pvp only toon is a resto shammy though, between earth shock, frost shock, and purge they don't last long if I have some dps with me. Rogues can't solo me either, just pop earth shield and drop a stoneskin totem. They usually get bored and leave before I run out of mana.
I don't really think any classes are OP, its just a matter of what classes have the best chances of killing them.
But as BM if my CD's are up (bestial wrath/rapid fire) there's not many classes that are going to withstand it one on one. Maybe a pally, because of their bubble. Good pvp'ers are usually smart enough to run away until bestial runs out though. Thats why I stick to BG's, I can stand at the back of a group and go apeshit. Hunters aren't good in arena right now, any spec. |
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Forlin
join:2007-11-21
Anchorage, AK
| reply to Forlin
Hunters are ok in arena as long as you have the right class or classes with you. Trees / hunters, disc priests / hunters or even double dps with a rogue can work in 2v2. You might not get 1800-2200 ratings, but you'll have a shot at 1600-1800 if you're good.
The best combo for a hunter is 2v2 with a tree imo. You have a decent shot at getting the bow. No guarantees of course, it's still going to be tough. |
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Zyncotl
Zed X
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join:2002-09-13
Wayne, MI
| reply to Forlin
1600-1800 isn't what I would consider a non-shitty player. Decent players are in the 1800-2000 area and your good players are 2000+.
1600-1800 is the range for people who have the pvp gear but not the skill or the skill but not the gear.
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Forlin
join:2007-11-21
Anchorage, AK
1 edit | reply to Forlin
Not really. Hunters are not going to get above that rating ever unless they're extremely good or have an ideal team.
1600-1800 for a hunter without a resto druid or disc priest is an incredible achievement.
Blizzard's own stats show that the numbers of hunters with 1800 or above ratings are well below what they expected.
Just because a few ideal classes have no challenge to getting 1800-2000 ratings when teamed together, doesn't make every class not suited to arena crap if they can't get that high. |
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kywirelessgu
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join:2004-01-25
Nicholasville, KY
clubs: | MM hunters make good drain team partners, but I don't have the patience for that style of gameplay. I like to rush to middle and go at it. |
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