Is this real? in World of Warcraft http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r21011539 en Wed, 11 Nov 2009 07:19:14 EDT Wed, 11 Nov 2009 07:19:14 EDT Re: Is this real? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21024816 brandon :
said by Forlin See Profile :

I think you missed a class :D
I haven't seen rogue/hunter work yet. :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21024816 Fri, 29 Aug 2008 08:05:17 EDT Re: Is this real? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21022497 Forlin : I think you missed a class :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21022497 Thu, 28 Aug 2008 19:03:52 EDT Re: Is this real? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21022486 brandon : As someone who played to 2100 last season and is around 1850 this season, here's my take on rogues.

In twos, rogues can currently hit 2k with the following combinations:

rogue/rogue
rogue/resto druid
rogue/dpriest
rogue/spriest
rogue/mage
rogue/balance druid
rogue/dreamstate druid
rogue/ret pally
rogue/warlock
rogue/resto shaman
rogue/feral druid
rogue/holy paladin

And maybe there's some rogue/warrior combos out there. There certainly are the number one comp in 3s.

Rogues are pretty lame right now.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21022486 Thu, 28 Aug 2008 19:02:30 EDT Re: Is this real? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21021323 kywirelessgu : MM hunters make good drain team partners, but I don't have the patience for that style of gameplay. I like to rush to middle and go at it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21021323 Thu, 28 Aug 2008 15:25:43 EDT Re: Is this real? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21021229 Forlin : Not really. Hunters are not going to get above that rating ever unless they're extremely good or have an ideal team.

1600-1800 for a hunter without a resto druid or disc priest is an incredible achievement.

Blizzard's own stats show that the numbers of hunters with 1800 or above ratings are well below what they expected.

Just because a few ideal classes have no challenge to getting 1800-2000 ratings when teamed together, doesn't make every class not suited to arena crap if they can't get that high.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21021229 Thu, 28 Aug 2008 15:07:18 EDT Re: Is this real? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21021202 Zyncotl : 1600-1800 isn't what I would consider a non-shitty player. Decent players are in the 1800-2000 area and your good players are 2000+.

1600-1800 is the range for people who have the pvp gear but not the skill or the skill but not the gear.
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The best combo for a hunter is 2v2 with a tree imo. You have a decent shot at getting the bow. No guarantees of course, it's still going to be tough.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21020778 Thu, 28 Aug 2008 13:46:54 EDT Re: Is this real? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21020584 kywirelessgu : I definatly don't thinks rogues are OP. Or resto druids for that matter. My pvp only toon is a resto shammy though, between earth shock, frost shock, and purge they don't last long if I have some dps with me. Rogues can't solo me either, just pop earth shield and drop a stoneskin totem. They usually get bored and leave before I run out of mana.

I don't really think any classes are OP, its just a matter of what classes have the best chances of killing them.

But as BM if my CD's are up (bestial wrath/rapid fire) there's not many classes that are going to withstand it one on one. Maybe a pally, because of their bubble. Good pvp'ers are usually smart enough to run away until bestial runs out though. Thats why I stick to BG's, I can stand at the back of a group and go apeshit. Hunters aren't good in arena right now, any spec.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21020584 Thu, 28 Aug 2008 13:16:52 EDT Re: Is this real? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21020455 anon :
said by gordom See Profile :

said by drew See Profile :

Someone has to be the counter to locks. Rogues just happen to be that counter.
to about everyone
Try jumping a warrior or paladin on a rogue. Their armor lasts and lasts, and warriors especially love your squishy leather if you aren't burning evasion/GS. There are rogue strats availiable, but it isn't a fight that rogues are looking forward to.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21020455 Thu, 28 Aug 2008 12:57:44 EDT Re: Is this real? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21020265 Zyncotl :
said by kywirelessgu See Profile :

On my BM hunter I have 18 seconds to kill the rogue...if I don't I'm generally dead.

But who specs BM for pvp? I'm just a pve'er who bg's occasionally.
Maybe hunters who know how to PvP would be better qualified to talk.

It's funny how many people talk about classes that OP and bitch about them then finish with "I just PvP randomly". (This is not specifically at you kywirelessgu). It just seems that the only people who should be talking smack about classes in PvP are those that PvP almost exclusively or at least are able to reach the upper ranks of Arena.

Being an occasional BG PvPer is like someone who runs heroics talking about Raiding.
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But who specs BM for pvp? I'm just a pve'er who bg's occasionally.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21020239 Thu, 28 Aug 2008 12:19:54 EDT Re: Is this real? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21020129 quatra :
said by Forlin See Profile :

Only warriors and paladins seem immune, as our hits are mosquito bites, but everyone else not in plate is fair game.
Don't forget about the reworking of ArP to be more effective against warriors and pali's]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21020129 Thu, 28 Aug 2008 12:03:10 EDT Re: Is this real? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21020072 Forlin : Yep it's called stunlock and hunters don't have the armour to outlast it, even if you trinket. Only plate wearers, disc priests and trees can outlast a full set of rogue stuns, and only if they know their stuff.

I have a hunter that I got reasonable ratings with in the seasons 1-3. I never found an answer to a rogue that knew his stuff except to hope that my healer wouldn't get CC'd.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21020072 Thu, 28 Aug 2008 11:53:38 EDT Re: Is this real? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21020025 mlody :
said by saillaw See Profile :

I've never played a Rogue past lvl 6. But I don't find them to be overpowered in PVP. Maybe it feels that way for some classes, but for others they are pretty easy to controll (at least one on one). My hunter eats rogues for breakfast one on one. My Pally and Druid do ok against them. From what I've seen it also looks like warriors have no problem with rogues. That being said, if two rogues team up and ambush me at the same time, its virtually impossible to do anything before I'm dead.
man, you made my day when you said your hunter eats rogues lol. please do yourself a BIG favor, and ask on general to duel a rogue who is in 2000+ bracet and come back here and tell us who eats who then?

My hunter 4/5 s4 gear - eats only noob rogues or the one who are not pvp spec'ed . If a rogue knows what to do, I am dead and there is nothing i can do (as a class) - simple like that. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21020025 Thu, 28 Aug 2008 11:45:56 EDT Re: Is this real? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21019818 gordom :
said by drew See Profile :

Someone has to be the counter to locks. Rogues just happen to be that counter.
to about everyone]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21019818 Thu, 28 Aug 2008 11:15:03 EDT Re: Is this real? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21019270 drew : Someone has to be the counter to locks. Rogues just happen to be that counter.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21019270 Thu, 28 Aug 2008 09:45:49 EDT Re: Is this real? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21019055 SkellBasher :
said by pp03 See Profile :

All PvP locks will have unstable affliction, yes rogue, dispell yourself and take a 5k nuke :P
There's only one problem with that. Cloak of Bullshit is not a dispel, it's a remove. It does not trigger the UA dispel bomb. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21019055 Thu, 28 Aug 2008 08:57:01 EDT Re: Is this real? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21017021 crazediamond :
said by Kearnstd See Profile :

dont worry the fact mace spec is no longer unlimited stun means if it goes live as that with the 3.0 patch you will feel a disturbance in the force as 10,000 rogues cry out in agony.
Its not that big of a deal. The only reason to be mace spec for a rogue at this point is what? An ar/prep hold out I suppose. Otherwise you're going to be shadowstep which means you can't put 25 points into combat.

That's why it's only minorly annoying that mace spec is being replaced by something that's 100% useless and no rogue should ever spec it. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21017021 Wed, 27 Aug 2008 20:08:48 EDT Re: Is this real? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21014915 Forlin : You mean we aren't supposed to move around like Sam Fisher? Damn, no wonder everyone gets so mad at me when I'm carrying the flag in WSG... and I thought 30 minutes was a pretty good time to go from flag room to flag room..]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21014915 Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:28:08 EDT Re: Is this real? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21014823 Kearnstd : rogues are just a plain silly class, suppose to be sneaky and they have some of the most flashy weapons in the game. however since stealth doesn't work like Splintercell i guess it doesn't matter. would be pretty funny if rogues had to do true sneaking like Solid Snake or Sam Fisher though.
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I reckon shs is the funnest rogue spec and mutilation a great alternative if you're more into pve. hemo / shs with sparkly swords ftw.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21014792 Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:56:03 EDT Re: Is this real? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21014757 Kearnstd : dont worry the fact mace spec is no longer unlimited stun means if it goes live as that with the 3.0 patch you will feel a disturbance in the force as 10,000 rogues cry out in agony.
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Remember that I'm talking about your average BG player here, not experienced PVP'rs. Once I move from BG to Arena the story is very different.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21014578 Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:13:02 EDT Re: Is this real? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21014429 pp03 : Did I mention this talent is mute for rogues against PvP warlocks?

Notice how soul link was moved to tier 3, 11 points into Demonology?

All PvP locks will have unstable affliction, yes rogue, dispell yourself and take a 5k nuke :P
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When you go deep assassination you are heavily susceptible to cc. The trade off is near immunity to bleeds/magic effects now.

I think there will be plenty of counters to rogues now. Can you imagine being a rogue trying to kill a holy/ret paladin healer? I can't even see it coming close to happening 1v1. Doing well over 100dps a second to yourself...becasue of 120-180 damage ticks of ret aura and 20% of your crit damage reflected.

Rogues are not going to be that OP. Even with warriors at best, still the best at killing locks. Removing a bleed is good, but as any rogue who has fought a geared warrior knows...global cooldowns are vital.
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I play 3 classes in PvP including rogue, resto druid and disc priest. My priest cant kill much but is able to survive quite well against multiple attackers and keep numerous people alive. My druid can heal and run and get out of almost any situation short of a gang bang. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21013979 Wed, 27 Aug 2008 10:17:08 EDT Re: Is this real? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21013913 Jakiel00 :
said by saillaw See Profile :

I've never played a Rogue past lvl 6. But I don't find them to be overpowered in PVP. Maybe it feels that way for some classes, but for others they are pretty easy to controll (at least one on one). My hunter eats rogues for breakfast one on one. My Pally and Druid do ok against them. From what I've seen it also looks like warriors have no problem with rogues. That being said, if two rogues team up and ambush me at the same time, its virtually impossible to do anything before I'm dead.
Roll a clothie and you will find out that they really do own in PVP. If one gets up behind me on my shadow priest I am toast.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21013913 Wed, 27 Aug 2008 10:04:36 EDT Re: Is this real? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21013745 Zyncotl : People believe that the class that beat them is OP so they think rolling it will make them OP.
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I had trouble with rogues on my shaman so I made a hunter. Now I kill the bastards all day long. I don't get why if something kills you, you become it and not what can kill it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21013722 Wed, 27 Aug 2008 09:26:06 EDT Re: Is this real? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21013567 Shatter : Rogues are like any other class, we are good against some classes/specs, not so good against others. If you want a truly overpowered class IMO resto druids would top my list.

You will also be happy to hear rogue mace stun was removed from the game with WOTLK as well, same for warrior mace stun. Or at least whenever they patch in the new talents prior to WOTLK. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21013567 Wed, 27 Aug 2008 08:43:40 EDT Re: Is this real? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21013136 Mashiki : As a mage this is what I see/hear.

*crunch* 1/3 of my health gone
*snap* 1/3 of my health gone
*ker-snap* 1/8-1/3 of my health gone
*NOMNOMNOM* I'm dead.

But...I really haven't pvp'd on my mage in the last year.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21013136 Wed, 27 Aug 2008 03:36:13 EDT Re: Is this real? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21013097 saillaw : I've never played a Rogue past lvl 6. But I don't find them to be overpowered in PVP. Maybe it feels that way for some classes, but for others they are pretty easy to controll (at least one on one). My hunter eats rogues for breakfast one on one. My Pally and Druid do ok against them. From what I've seen it also looks like warriors have no problem with rogues. That being said, if two rogues team up and ambush me at the same time, its virtually impossible to do anything before I'm dead.
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said by Forlin See Profile :

That's exactly why I rolled one. I was sick of having my ass handed to me in arena and pvp by rogues and decided I might as well enjoy being one than getting upset over being smacked about.

I have to wonder sometimes tho, like is Blizzard owned by a pvp-obsessed, clothy-hating rogue?

Mage ice trap thing - answer, shadowstep right to the mage and kill him.

Lock / Priest fear - answer, use our spare trinket, and dispell it. Has a 2 min cooldown, so it might as well be a 2nd trinket.

Hunter slow trap - answer, shadowstep / cloak of shadows, proceed to kill.

Mage blink - answer, shadowstep, vanish, cheap shot, kill.

Druid travel form - shadowstep, sprint, vanish, cheapshot, kill.

Dots - cloak of shadows, vanish, cheapshot, kill.

No sprint, shadowstep or vanish - prep, and proceed as normal.

Only warriors and paladins seem immune, as our hits are mosquito bites, but everyone else not in plate is fair game.
nvm]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21012224 Tue, 26 Aug 2008 22:18:41 EDT Re: Is this real? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21012098 crazediamond :
said by I_H8_Spam See Profile :

30 energy is a lot , sure it refunds it but it also blows a GCD so no special for 1.5s. It looks like a typical dispell so mechanics like dispell resistance, and Unstable should apply.

Dot classes are getting mighty screwed by this tho.
1 second gcd for rogues]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21012098 Tue, 26 Aug 2008 21:56:02 EDT Re: Is this real? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21011906 Mike : cloaklol]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21011906 Tue, 26 Aug 2008 21:22:15 EDT Re: Is this real? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21011795 I_H8_Spam : 30 energy is a lot , sure it refunds it but it also blows a GCD so no special for 1.5s. It looks like a typical dispell so mechanics like dispell resistance, and Unstable should apply.

Dot classes are getting mighty screwed by this tho.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21011795 Tue, 26 Aug 2008 20:58:17 EDT Re: Is this real? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21011746 Forlin : That's exactly why I rolled one. I was sick of having my ass handed to me in arena and pvp by rogues and decided I might as well enjoy being one than getting upset over being smacked about.

I have to wonder sometimes tho, like is Blizzard owned by a pvp-obsessed, clothy-hating rogue?

Mage ice trap thing - answer, shadowstep right to the mage and kill him.

Lock / Priest fear - answer, use our spare trinket, and dispell it. Has a 2 min cooldown, so it might as well be a 2nd trinket.

Hunter slow trap - answer, shadowstep / cloak of shadows, proceed to kill.

Mage blink - answer, shadowstep, vanish, cheap shot, kill.

Druid travel form - shadowstep, sprint, vanish, cheapshot, kill.

Dots - cloak of shadows, vanish, cheapshot, kill.

No sprint, shadowstep or vanish - prep, and proceed as normal.

Only warriors and paladins seem immune, as our hits are mosquito bites, but everyone else not in plate is fair game.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21011746 Tue, 26 Aug 2008 20:49:16 EDT Re: Is this real? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21011654 badtrip : They just want to make sure that warlocks can never kill rogues again. God I hate rogues.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21011654 Tue, 26 Aug 2008 20:32:51 EDT Re: Is this real? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21011607 Forlin : Sweet mother of god. When is the expansion coming out again? ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21011607 Tue, 26 Aug 2008 20:24:37 EDT Re: Is this real? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21011593 Mike : Hunger for Blood. 61 point assassination.

»wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=f]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21011593 Tue, 26 Aug 2008 20:21:17 EDT Is this real? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21011539 Forlin : I've heard of a new talent in wotlk for rogues that allows them to remove one spell effect and has no cooldown. I believe it has another similar benefit too.

What I was wondering is if this is a replacement for cloak of shadows (if it is real), and how long it would be before blizzard realised this is way overpowered.

Wouldn't this make us almost invulnerable against dots and a whole bunch of CC?

Do we even need it, given the talents and spells we have right now?

What concerns me is this might tip the balance and get us flagged for a nerf, and those are never pretty.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21011539 Tue, 26 Aug 2008 20:10:36 EDT