AliG
join:2008-08-27
| Jst arrived in Toronto, living in an ap. building!
Hi everybody!
Im new here and right now writing from a library in Toronto.
And yeah this is not great.
Im looking for an internet solution. Im gonna live in an apartment for the next year at least that has ONLY Rogers Cable. So besides that do u think I have any other options with other companies??
And what can u tell me about Rogers? I heard a lot of bad things about it. Caps to 60 GB, throttles to 5-10 kB/s...
Thanx |
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nanook
Premium,MVM
join:2007-12-02
 ·Bell Sympatico
·TekSavvy Solutions..
1 edit | said by AliG  :has ONLY Rogers Cable... what can u tell me about Rogers? I heard a lot of bad things about it. Caps to 60 GB, throttles to 5-10 kB/s... Also the customer service sux big time.
If it is any consolation, Bell DSL is only slightly better. Throttles are "only" 30kB/s but with the same 60GB cap. Speeds depend on location (Bell) and local congestion (Rogers.) As for customer service, let us just observe that the only competition that Rogers and Bell are serious about is in fighting each other for the worst-possible rating.
The only other alternative is some sort of wireless solution but these tend to be slower, have lower caps and cost more.
P.S. Welcome to the center of the universe  |
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AliG
join:2008-08-27
| reply to AliG
Thank u for the welcome : )
emm. I heard that I could only get Rogers Cable... Now what about DSL? Can I get it wherever I am? Cuz I will be living in an apartment?
I saw DSL TekSavy reviews here were very good.
And I also entered acanac website, and found they were offering DSL internet at $19 per month (5 Mb/s) which is greatly affordable for me (They also reported no capping and no throttling. |
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nanook
Premium,MVM
join:2007-12-02
·Bell Sympatico
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| said by AliG :I heard that I could only get Rogers Cable... Now what about DSL? Can I get it wherever I am? Cuz I will be living in an apartment? Perhaps whoever told you that meant that the only cable provider in the GTA is Rogers. That is true. Assuming that you can get basic phone service in your apartment then yes, you can also get DSL.
There are a few isolated areas in the GTA where Rogers has an exclusive deal on all the wiring in an area. In that case you can only get phone service from them, in which case you have no choice on Internet. Perhaps you can give us the general location of where you will be staying.
Also, where are you coming from (since that may help people put some context in their responses to you)?
I saw DSL TekSavy reviews here were very good.
And I also entered acanac website, and found they were offering DSL internet at $19 per month (5 Mb/s) which is greatly affordable for me (They also reported no capping and no throttling. If you can get basic phone service from Bell then you can get DSL from them or from TekSavvy, Acanac, etc. However, since it is Bell that does the throttling you will be throttled regardless of which DSL provider you use.
TekSavvy charges $30/month for 200GB bandwidth and $40 for unlimited. Those rates are with no contract. There is a $3/month reduction if you prepay for a year.
AFAIK Acanac charges $20/month but I believe you have to contract (and maybe prepay) for one year. I do not know about their capping. Also be sure to compare the ratings of TekSavvy and Acanac and any other ISP you may be considering.
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Acanac Inc
Premium
join:2007-03-05
Mississauga, ON
| reply to AliG
Thank you for your interest. Our price including tax is $18.95 for the 5Mbps service. This is based on a 1 year term, but if your not happy with your service you can ask for a full refund. If you have any other questions please let me know.
Best Regards,
Paul
www.acanac.ca |
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AliG
join:2008-08-27
| reply to AliG
Ok Im back at the library.
Thanx for all answers.
As for now I plan to live in High Park(I'm 90% sure)
And the last internet I had in my country was through LAN with one of my neighbours who distributed it. It had throttling from the general provider I guess, but if u enabled encrypting anything went fine and I always got 80-180 kB/s on what I thought 1mb (maybe it was 2 now that Im thinking, anyway I prepaid it for 256 kb/s which seemed a lot for me a year ago and I got this so I was fine).
As for the throttling, so any DSL lines would come with it regardless of whom u get it from. And I dont wanna know how, jst can anyone tell me CAN it be overcome or NOT?
Thank you |
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nanook
Premium,MVM
join:2007-12-02
·Bell Sympatico
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| said by AliG :As for now I plan to live in High Park(I'm 90% sure) Then this may not be good news »Need Help with DSL Service in Toronto's High Park area (OTOH there are also posts that indicate Bell has been installing fibre and remote concentrators in the High Park area.)
As for the throttling, so any DSL lines would come with it regardless of whom u get it from. Yes, because every DSL ISP used Bell's infrastructure. There is one ISP, Primus, who offer unthrottled service at selected central offices (because they have their own infrastructure installed in them.)
And I dont wanna know how, jst can anyone tell me CAN it be overcome or NOT? It can. Go to the TekSavvy forum and search for MLPPP. |
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VelcomJulia
join:2008-08-21
L6T5EB
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Hey, you could have a look at Velcom.
Up to 5.0 Mbps Download Speed
Up to 800 Kbps Upload Speed
Unlimited traffic
40 Email Accounts
Dynamic IP Address
Free 100 MB Personal Web Space
velcom.ca |
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AliG
join:2008-08-27
| Velcom seemed to be a lil expensive for my tastes 
Everyone is talking about TekSavvy, and I think Ill go with them the first month. I jst wish I am lucky.
By the way I will now 99% live in the High Park apartment buildings area (near High park Subway St), does ayone know/think Ill get a speed cap cause of distance?
And y on earth is cable more expensive/jst 60 GB cap than DSL?? |
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AliG
join:2008-08-27 | NEWS:
Im probably going to Pacific avenue in the High Park Apartments Area.
I spoke today with the admin of the building and he said I could go on Rogers or on Bell on the phone. So what do u suggest? Bell or Rogers for home phone? |
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emoci
join:2007-05-29
York, ON
| said by AliG :NEWS: Im probably going to Pacific avenue in the High Park Apartments Area. I spoke today with the admin of the building and he said I could go on Rogers or on Bell on the phone. So what do u suggest? Bell or Rogers for home phone? You definitely want a Bell Line (if you're planning on going DSL), that said, pick whether you want Bell as the Provider of the actual service or one of the third party guys. I know TSI has a Home Phone package as well, so does Yak. |
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jyeung
inspiration reality
Premium
join:2004-03-30
North York, ON | reply to AliG
I would strongly recommend sticking with Bell or a copper provider (Primus, etc.).
Rogers Home Phone is cablephone, and nowhere as reliable as a Bell line.
- Jason |
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AliG
join:2008-08-27
| Thank u guys for the fast answers : )
It was appreciated
Im probably going with Bell. The whole story is which of them does minor/no throttling through DSLs cuz thats what Im interested in.
As Ive heard going though internet cable is gonna be a little rusty seeing Rogers throttling and capping.
So Im in search of a DSL, probably will go with TekSavvy, is that ok for Bell>? or Rogers? or anyone? Again saying Im mostly inerested in no throttling via DSL |
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nanook
Premium,MVM
join:2007-12-02
·Bell Sympatico
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| said by AliG :So Im in search of a DSL, probably will go with TekSavvy, is that ok for Bell>? All DSL ISPs use Bell's infrastructure (except for Primus in a few locations) so you will be throttled (by Bell) regardless of the DSL ISP you choose. To get around that throttling you will need to use MLPPP. TekSavvy is one of only a few ISPs that currently support MLPPP.
That said, if you are too far from a central office to be able to get good DSL speed/reliability then throttling will be the least of your issues. |
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Grappler
join:2002-09-01
Ottawa, ON | reply to AliG
If you are going to go with Teksavvy for DSL, why not use Teksavvy for home phone as well? They use the Bell lines to provision the service. |
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AliG
join:2008-08-27
| I saw all phone services I could as follow:
Bell: 17.95/month (1st year of 2-year contract - I didnt get this part)
Teksavvy: 21.84/month (no contract I think)
Acanac: 9.95/month (I was like wow!!! but it said Voip and I didnt understand it quite)
Any help? |
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AliG
join:2008-08-27
| reply to AliG
I couldnt find the edit button.
Anyway
Can anyone help me find a way to bypass throttling on TekSavvy DSL (I think Im going with them)?
I googled and widened my eyes here for more than 2 hrs but I cant find anyway...
uT.1.8 I read can do the trick with Rogers
MLPPP I dont know what it is and couldnt find somewhere to help me understand better
so again any help? |
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nanook
Premium,MVM
join:2007-12-02
·Bell Sympatico
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| reply to AliG
said by AliG :Bell: 17.95/month (1st year of 2-year contract - I didnt get this part) You enter into a 2-year contract. If you want to break the contract you will be charged an early termination fee of $100 (or more?)
During the first year you pay $17.95 for the basic phone line (plus ~$3/month for touchtone, plus...?) Then in the second year you will pay at least $5/month more.
If you make any long distance calls then in addition to the LD charges you will also be charged $5.95/month "network access fee." There are probably more hidden fees not included in the $17.95.
Call Bell and ask for the details and specific amounts of all charges.
Teksavvy: 21.84/month (no contract I think) Correct. And that $21.84 (it may be slightly higher in Toronto) includes all the other fees that Bell will charge you, e.g. touchtone, 911, NAF, etc. Also long distance is 2.9¢/minute. Compare to Bell's a la carte LD charges.
If you do a lot of long distance, TekSavvy's packages will be cheaper than Bell's. Also if you get TekSavvy home phone, a LD package and Internet there is a $3/month discount IIRC.
Acanac: 9.95/month (I was like wow!!! but it said Voip and I didnt understand it quite) VoIP (Voice over IP) requires a fast, solid Internet connection. Based on what has been discussed above it may not be a practical option for you. In any case, VoIP depends on your Internet connection. It is therefore inherently less reliable than POTS as provided by Bell and TekSavvy. Avoid VoIP until you know you have a good Internet connection. (IMO avoid VoIP altogether if reliable phone service, especially during power outages, is important to you.) |
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Black Moon
join:2005-02-01
Scarborough, ON
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| reply to AliG
AliG,
When I first came to Canada 5 years ago and wanted to sign up with Bell for a phoneline, they wanted me to pay a $200 refundable deposit (I got it back after half a year, but only when I asked) because I had no 'credit rating'. A similar thing happened for DSL internet so I settled for Rogers cable at that time.
I do not know if Bell also wants that $200 deposit from you sine things might have changed in the meantime, but it would be good to find out. In addition, since there are several other companies that offer home phone service in Toronto (Primus, Rogers, Teksavvy), find out what their policies are on this matter. At the time I arrived here, there was only Sprint apart from Bell and their coverage was very limited and they, too, wanted that deposit. Since Teksavvy's service is prepaid, you might get away with not paying that deposit, and since they use Bell's lines, you get exactly the same service as with Bell.
Regarding long distance, Teksavvy's rates are very competitive and they do not charge you a monthly fee. Calling cards are generally cheaper, but these are also thieves because they never give the amount of minutes it says on the card or when you enter the number, so be careful. Also, pay attention to the expiry dates after activation (some go as early as a week, while others last months), as well as maintenance fees. The best, but not cheapest, phonecards are President's Choice and Cici.
Good luck,
Black Moon |
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Last Parade
One of the Brightest Stars
join:2002-10-07
Port Colborne, ON | reply to AliG
Do the Acanac thing with 18.95 for a year of DSL, goes up to 'the going rate' after a year. Acanac has really cheap VOIP too. |
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