Pizz
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join:2000-10-27
Astoria, NY
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| Poor Preformance in WoW
I recently purchased a ati 4870 - in all other games Crysis, COD 4, Age of Conan, Steam games - my gaming experience is great, but when I play WoW its a whole 'nother story. My system is:
Q6600 @ 3.2ghz
4gigs of Plat Rev 2
IP35-E Mother Board
VisionTek 4870HD
Windows XP Pro SP3
1680x1050 Wide Screen - The Reso I game at
600 Watt OCZ GamerXtreme PSU
I have everything set as default in the cat control center, and in game i have it set at default settings, and my frames just stay around 30fps in shat or any major city, in raids it goes to 30-45fps depending on the fight. I would imagine i should be getting better frames and less 'sluggish' type of preformance.
Any ideas what to do, or set? I have all the latest chipset/drivers installed. |
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JIGA
Its A Bird, Its A Plane, Its..
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join:2002-02-02
Azle, TX
clubs: | Do you have a lot of mods installed in WoW?
If so, one of these mods could be the culprit that is hogging resources. Start disabled them a few at a time and see how the game runs, or if you have an addon that shows mod memory usage, check that. |
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Pizz
Hi
join:2000-10-27
Astoria, NY | reply to Pizz
the only mods i have installed are.
Omen
Deadly Boss Mods
Minimalist
TinyTip
Then alot of libaries, that were installed with them. Like Ace1, Ace2, Ace3, Threat Lib etc.. |
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DreamCarr
Winter Sucks.
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join:2001-04-16
6D 6F 6F 00
| reply to Pizz
did you download the latest drivers for the 4870, or jsut use the ones on the CD? iirc ATI had a bit of a driver issue a while back with WoW.
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johnny_t
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join:2004-03-21
Palo Alto, CA | reply to Pizz
I have the 3650 512mb @ 75hz/1440x900, seems fine. |
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Margolis
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join:2003-11-24
Saint Louis, MO
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maybe too much memory? I've heard of a few limited problems when trying to run 4gb of memory in xp. 4gb+ really requires a 64bit os to make proper use of it.
another thing, check vsync. If vsync is on, it may be running at 1/2 your 60fps max since that system won't be able to hit 60fps at that resolution in the cities. |
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Forlin
join:2007-11-21
Anchorage, AK
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His monitor is 75hz so vsync should only cap his framerate to 75. My guess is the video card is fairly new, so perhaps the drivers haven't reached full maturity.
I've had a lot of ATI based cards, and I've seen "fixed frame rate issue in game xyz" or "improved frame rate by 50% for cards xyz" in the patch notes fairly often.
Having said that, getting 30 FPS in a major city like Shatt is actually not too bad. I'd expect the full 75 FPS in Stormwind or Undercity, but Shatt is pretty infamous for crippling frame rates.
I suspect it has something to do with the population, and simply the sheer amount of stuff going on in most areas. It's the same thing in 25 man raids, when things start to really kick off you sometimes see frame rates dip to 30 - 35 FPS even on good systems. |
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deadmeatmage
@comcast.net
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I run a good comp with an ATI HD2600 in it and get pretty good framerates in shatt, but still lower than other areas. Try going into Shatt at an off-peak time on your server and see if the framerate improves. that will tell you instantly whether it is the population or your computer. |
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Margolis
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join:2003-11-24
Saint Louis, MO
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| reply to Forlin
said by Forlin  :His monitor is 75hz so vsync should only cap his framerate to 75. do you know him? I didn't see anywhere where it said 75hz in his post?? Almost all lcd monitors run at 60hz, that's why I said that. |
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Margolis
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Saint Louis, MO
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said by Forlin : I suspect it has something to do with the population, and simply the sheer amount of stuff going on in most areas. It's the same thing in 25 man raids, when things start to really kick off you sometimes see frame rates dip to 30 - 35 FPS even on good systems. this is a big factor, and probably the real cause. Even when the pop is low the framerate in the big cities will still drop. 30 fps is probably doing pretty good with that system at that resolution when the shit hits the fan. |
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Forlin
join:2007-11-21
Anchorage, AK
1 edit | reply to Margolis
Even if his LCD is 60hz vsync will still only cap at 60 FPS. That's what it does, match the frame rate to the frequency to avoid tearing. No I don't know him, I mistook a later poster for being him which is where I got the 75hz.
Doesn't really change my main point, which is Shatt and high population areas are most likely the cause of the lower frame rate. If he had dual video cards and the best processor / ram possible then vsync might be nerfing his frame rate in Shatt. But it's unlikely with that setup. |
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mlody
join:2000-07-26
Des Plaines, IL
| reply to Pizz
my system is as follow
intel dual core 3.0ghz
4gb ram
nvidia 8800gt
vista sp1
1280x1024 & 60hz - v-sync
I get 60fps anywhere I am - it does not matter if it is shattar, or 25-man and my settings are at max for anything but fog.
Couple advices:
get latest ati drivers
get latest intel chipset driver
check AV for settings - some ondemand settings are brutal
scan for viruses/spyware
run defrag - jkdefrag is one of the best free defrag tools.
Perhaps reinstall windows and install everything from scratch if nothing elses works for you |
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Spazmoto
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join:2003-08-22
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said by Margolis :said by Forlin : I suspect it has something to do with the population, and simply the sheer amount of stuff going on in most areas. It's the same thing in 25 man raids, when things start to really kick off you sometimes see frame rates dip to 30 - 35 FPS even on good systems. this is a big factor, and probably the real cause. Even when the pop is low the framerate in the big cities will still drop. 30 fps is probably doing pretty good with that system at that resolution when the shit hits the fan. Nah I think something must be wrong - drivers or maybe what someone mentioned about having 4gigs of ram.
My machine is a core2 2.6ghz, radeon 3850, 2 gigs ram, and it runs wow at pretty much constant 60 frames with vsync at 1680x1050 on a 22" lcd, even in shat. |
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johnny_t
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join:2004-03-21
Palo Alto, CA | reply to Pizz
IMO Vysn isn't needed, it will cripple your FPS if anything. |
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mlody
join:2000-07-26
Des Plaines, IL
| said by johnny_t :IMO Vysn isn't needed, it will cripple your FPS if anything. V-sync is must for flat pannel monitors when your video card can pump 200+ fps in open area.
the tearing is soo bad that it looks worse then if you had 10-15FPS.
Speaking of FPS - you only need 30FPS to have smooth gameplay, anything above is waste anyway. the key for performance is to have enough power to run that constant FPS regardless of what is happening on screen. |
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Pizz
Hi
join:2000-10-27
Astoria, NY
·Verizon Online DSL
·RoadRunner Cable
| reply to Pizz
I've installed Windows XP 64-bit - Still the problem occurs. Last night i did a raid and was getting 38-40fps in BT. Sunwell i avg a little bit better.
I thought it was bottlenecking, so i OC'd my CPU to 3.6ghz - and still the problem Occurs. Tried 8.5 cats to 8.8 to hotfix drivers - only this game gives me very bad FPS and sluggish preformance. No AV installed, just WoW and Chipset, Audio, Video Drivers installed.
I popped in my old 8800GTS card, and i was in shat at 50-100+ FPS and steadily in Raids at 60-70fps. Could it be a driver issue with WoW, or maybe I should get a newer Motherboard with chipset? I'm using a P35 chipset, which has 16x PCIe 1.1a maybe i need a 2.0 slot instead?
thanks all for the suggestions, please if anyone knows more stuff i'll gladly listen and try and tweak it. |
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Forlin
join:2007-11-21
Anchorage, AK
| reply to Pizz
I think you found your answer, at least as far as the video card goes. I use an ATI card myself, but I know the 8800 GTS and the 9800 GTS do outperform ATI at the moment.
It may be that future drivers narrow the difference a bit, but with all of the video settings maxed, what you get on your system matches what I get on mine with my ATI 3870 card installed.
Almost anywhere other than Shatt I get 60-70 FPS with vsync enabled, inside about 35-45 FPS. Raids with tons of spell effects, multiple mobs, etc I'd get around the same 35-45 FPS.
This bares out what most reviewers say, that although the ATI cards are fine for gaming, nVidia still has the edge. Future drivers might alter this, but I don't really care as I'm not into first person shooters. I just like ATI stuff and have had nothing but solid reliability from their gear. If I needed top end frame rates for some reason maybe I'd think differently. |
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Margolis
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join:2003-11-24
Saint Louis, MO
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| reply to Forlin
said by Forlin :Even if his LCD is 60hz vsync will still only cap at 60 FPS. That's what it does, match the frame rate to the frequency to avoid tearing. exactly. But if the computer cannot produce the 60 fps, because of vsync it will only display full complete frames. Because of that, it will display only 30fps because it doesn't have a new frame ready to feed the monitor every cycle, so you get the same frame twice if it is putting out between 30 and 59fps. |
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Margolis
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Saint Louis, MO
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| reply to mlody
said by mlody : Speaking of FPS - you only need 30FPS to have smooth gameplay, anything above is waste anyway. that may be enough for you, but most people need around 60fps for it to appear smooth. but that is a whole other argument. |
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Disenchanter
@citicorp.com | reply to Pizz
yeah I know oo anonymous poster...
the problem is most likely that your board is an Nvidia chipset and you were trying to run an ATI card, it won't work very well, if this is the case, you're lucky you got 30fps. |
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