ninjatutle
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San Ramon, CA | You can thank p2p
We'll be seeing more of these caps.... |
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Matt
Gone playing Dragon Age Origins
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Jamestown, NC
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| said by ninjatutle  :We'll be seeing more of these caps.... No, you can thank greedy corporations. If P2P was really the problem, they'd just boot the users.
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ninjatutle
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San Ramon, CA | They are booting them and throttling. Or at least tried to until people started crying. Now everyone is suffering thanks to thieves. |
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Matt
Gone playing Dragon Age Origins
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Jamestown, NC
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| said by ninjatutle :They are booting them and throttling. Or at least tried to until people started crying. Now everyone is suffering thanks to thieves. 
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iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO | reply to ninjatutle
Umm, P2P really doesn''t take that much data. Maybe about 2x as much as downloading direct from a given server, but...c'mon, 1GB can be used in a mobile environment VERY quickly. |
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swhitney2003
I can't drive 55.
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I think p2p has very little to do with the capping of mobile data plans. Users are probably using their phones more than ever to browse websites and watch media on their phones... something that their plan wasn't initially set up for (email use). The wireless carriers don't want their service to be used as if they are an ISP, since their network is not built to be that. I think this is more of a move to stop people from using their phones as an internet connection for a house... rather than because of p2p usage. |
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Matt
Gone playing Dragon Age Origins
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| said by swhitney2003 :I think p2p has very little to do with the capping of mobile data plans. Users are probably using their phones more than ever to browse websites and watch media on their phones... something that their plan wasn't initially set up for (email use). The wireless carriers don't want their service to be used as if they are an ISP, since their network is not built to be that. I think this is more of a move to stop people from using their phones as an internet connection for a house... rather than because of p2p usage. The user is being forced to downgrade because he admitted to watching YouTube videos. It's all in the thread linked in the article.
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dadkins
Can you do Blu?
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join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
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Even that is probably too complex for some to understand.
Ya know, I have about 250MB of cache that a few parts of could be considered "theft" by some people. 
Flog away, but it's not going to make a difference - they refuse to accept reality. 
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Millenniumle
join:2007-11-11
Fredonia, NY
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Ever heard of theft of services?
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theft_of_services
Theft of services is the legal term for a crime which is committed when a person obtains valuable services — as opposed to goods — by deception, force, threat or other unlawful means, i.e., without lawfully compensating the provider of said services. So it isn't as cut and dry as your diagram suggests. The english language is a complex thing. Here, like piracy, the emphasis of the word theft is on "using without paying" rather than "taking without paying." |
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hopeflicker
Capitalism breeds greed
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Long Beach, CA
| said by Millenniumle :Ever heard of theft of services? » en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theft_of_servicesTheft of services is the legal term for a crime which is committed when a person obtains valuable services — as opposed to goods — by deception, force, threat or other unlawful means, i.e., without lawfully compensating the provider of said services. So it isn't as cut and dry as your diagram suggests. The english language is a complex thing. Here, like piracy, the emphasis of the word theft is on "using without paying" rather than "taking without paying." Last time i looked MOVIES, MUSIC, and APPLICATIONS were not a service. They are a product.
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Millenniumle
join:2007-11-11
Fredonia, NY
| Last time I read my post I pointed out that the emphasis was on "using without paying" rather than "taking without paying."
The concept of "using without paying" as theft has been in law long before P2P and well outside of RIAA & MPAA influence. |
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JasonOD
@comcast.net
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I'd expand that definition to include charging $75 (for those who haven't been caught going over a gig) & $65 (for those that have) for 1GB service.
This is either a case of taking advantage of the marketplace due to lack of competition, or they're in trouble (much like Frontier's actions). |
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S_engineer
join:2007-05-16
Chicago, IL
·Comcast
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the p2p argument is just an excuse to get away from the "unlimited" usage, and go to a much more profitable metered usage basis. You will see the carriers in this stange type of collusion when they don't have to be.
This is the anti-competition argument. When all companies pull the same sh*t, the consumer loses.
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SLD
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join:2002-04-17 | reply to ninjatutle
How much do they pay you to bash P2P every chance you get LOL. |
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ninjatutle
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San Ramon, CA | My payment is in the form of a promise of unlimited, unfilterated broadband for myself and for future generations to come. |
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stomp357
join:2003-04-13
Lake Charles, LA
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| said by ninjatutle :My payment is in the form of a promise of unlimited, unfilterated broadband for myself and for future generations to come. You are gullible. You actually believe that if piracy (which is not theft), didn't exist, that the ISPs wouldn't be doing things like this? Companies see their customers with any amount of expendable income, and do what ever they can to get it. Now days, instead of adding valued services to get users to spend more, they just take away what was already there, & up the price of what is left by 500%.
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karlmarx
join:2006-09-18
iraq
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You said it correctly. However, If I stayed in a house and didn't pay rent, that would not be theft.
From the DICTIONARY : Main Entry: theft 1 a: the act of stealing; specifically : the felonious taking and removing of personal property with intent to deprive the rightful owner of it b: an unlawful taking (as by embezzlement or burglary) of property.
Piracy does not meet either of those terms, because NOTHING IS TAKEN. Ergo, it is not THEFT, it is infringement.
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ninjatutle
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San Ramon, CA | Stealing = Taking something that aint yours. |
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karlmarx
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| But you didn't TAKE anything. You made a copy. If star trek replicators worked today, would you consider anything that was made with them to be stealing too? Absolutely not, because the original still exists.
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ninjatutle
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San Ramon, CA | Maybe a 6 y/o would believe you. Did you make up these "theories" on your own? |
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