Re: You can thank p2p in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r21015039 en Wed, 11 Nov 2009 11:22:34 EDT Wed, 11 Nov 2009 11:22:34 EDT Re: You can thank p2p http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21023295 anon : Not in Alberta where Telus is. A good many of them skip out without paying a cent then do the same thing next month and keep on moving from month to month. Others just stay the 90 days until a court order evicts them. Real estate prices have plummeted there thanks to sellers who can't rent their units out because the whole province are nothing but deadbeats.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21023295 Thu, 28 Aug 2008 21:39:05 EDT Re: You can thank p2p http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21021187 Millenniumle : Copyright infringement is in criminal law. It is a crime. A felony in infringement is the same as in theft - dependant upon severity. You know? Carrying off with a piece of gum isn't going to draw the same charges as kyping a nice new Maserati off the dealer lot. The police who go after y'old bad guys, not the courts, don't have the resources to go after all the little joe-blows copying Madonna's latest.

Like it or not, copyright infringement falls in with the well established use of the word theft. People who don't pay for their copies are thieves in the same way as, in criminal law, people who don't pay for services are considered thieves. In fact, they even call it 'theft of services.' Weird!!

But...., I digress. I think you already know all this. Then again, maybe it really does escape you?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21021187 Thu, 28 Aug 2008 15:00:37 EDT Re: You can thank p2p http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21018568 ninjatutle : No, because I never used torrents. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21018568 Thu, 28 Aug 2008 03:04:22 EDT Re: You can thank p2p http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21018542 roymustang : Have you actually tried using BT on EVDO? Lets just say in my experience it is not very viable.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21018542 Thu, 28 Aug 2008 02:38:20 EDT Re: You can thank p2p http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21017996 robl27 : If one uses peerguardian and downloads flac files who has a need for CD's?

»phoenixlabs.org/pg2/

thanks to p2p in the old days, i purchased cd's now, forget it.

downloading songs is not stealing. what the RIAA is doing to the artist is.

if we all boycott cd's, then the world may be a better place.

-Rob
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21017682 Wed, 27 Aug 2008 22:21:20 EDT Re: You can thank p2p http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21017527 dvd536 : p2p on a cellphone? hardly.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21017527 Wed, 27 Aug 2008 21:53:45 EDT Re: You can thank p2p http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21016951 karlmarx : So, by your own definition, copyright infringment should be a felony? I mean, the law defines 'theft' as a felony, while the law defines 'infringement' as a civil matter. Of course, you used the word 'steal', which is different than theft. You accuse people of STEALING, when they are not, they are infringing. You accuse people of theft, yet the courts do not consider it theft, otherwise, there would be criminal charges filed, not civil charges.

The word makes the crime. If you say rape is a 'hate crime', then you are doing a disservice to both rape victims and hate crime victims, because they are two totally different things.

When you say infringement is 'stealing', you are attempting to make a CIVIL matter into a CRIMINAL matter, which it's not.

Why don't you just call it what it is, INFRINGEMENT. Ahh, because you can't rile up the unwashed masses with the term 'infringement', while you CAN rile them up by accusing people of STEALING, which they are not!
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21016445 Wed, 27 Aug 2008 17:59:31 EDT Re: You can thank p2p http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21016418 Millenniumle : And the definitions go on:

Yours says: "the act of stealing."

And if we look up what it is to steal we find:

»dictionary.reference.com/browse/steal
1. take without the owner's consent;
Which is why, in law, we find theft of services even though property is not taken. Instead, use of the house is "taken" (which also means 'not paid for')

Which is why taking a copy of copyrighted material (without the consent of the copyright owner) is also theft.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21016418 Wed, 27 Aug 2008 17:54:52 EDT Re: You can thank p2p http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21016279 tiger9 : Technically, piracy is not theft. Either way, infringement or theft, whichever way you look it at, it's still not a good thing.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21016279 Wed, 27 Aug 2008 17:28:32 EDT Re: You can thank p2p http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21016073 ninjatutle : Maybe a 6 y/o would believe you. Did you make up these "theories" on your own?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21016073 Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:46:58 EDT Re: You can thank p2p http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21015994 karlmarx : But you didn't TAKE anything. You made a copy. If star trek replicators worked today, would you consider anything that was made with them to be stealing too? Absolutely not, because the original still exists.
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From the DICTIONARY : Main Entry: theft 1 a: the act of stealing; specifically : the felonious taking and removing of personal property with intent to deprive the rightful owner of it b: an unlawful taking (as by embezzlement or burglary) of property.

Piracy does not meet either of those terms, because NOTHING IS TAKEN. Ergo, it is not THEFT, it is infringement.
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said by ninjatutle See Profile :

My payment is in the form of a promise of unlimited, unfilterated broadband for myself and for future generations to come.
You are gullible. You actually believe that if piracy (which is not theft), didn't exist, that the ISPs wouldn't be doing things like this? Companies see their customers with any amount of expendable income, and do what ever they can to get it. Now days, instead of adding valued services to get users to spend more, they just take away what was already there, & up the price of what is left by 500%.
Welcome to the World! May we rape you? :mad:]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21015883 Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:16:24 EDT Re: You can thank p2p http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21015542 ninjatutle : My payment is in the form of a promise of unlimited, unfilterated broadband for myself and for future generations to come. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21015542 Wed, 27 Aug 2008 15:14:49 EDT Re: You can thank p2p http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21015463 SLD : How much do they pay you to bash P2P every chance you get LOL.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21015463 Wed, 27 Aug 2008 14:58:19 EDT Re: You can thank p2p http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21015435 S_engineer : the p2p argument is just an excuse to get away from the "unlimited" usage, and go to a much more profitable metered usage basis. You will see the carriers in this stange type of collusion when they don't have to be.

This is the anti-competition argument. When all companies pull the same sh*t, the consumer loses.
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This is either a case of taking advantage of the marketplace due to lack of competition, or they're in trouble (much like Frontier's actions).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21015368 Wed, 27 Aug 2008 14:40:56 EDT Re: You can thank p2p http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21015355 Millenniumle : Last time I read my post I pointed out that the emphasis was on "using without paying" rather than "taking without paying."

The concept of "using without paying" as theft has been in law long before P2P and well outside of RIAA & MPAA influence.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21015355 Wed, 27 Aug 2008 14:38:35 EDT Re: You can thank p2p http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21015291 hopeflicker :
said by Millenniumle See Profile :

Ever heard of theft of services?

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theft_of_services
Theft of services is the legal term for a crime which is committed when a person obtains valuable services — as opposed to goods — by deception, force, threat or other unlawful means, i.e., without lawfully compensating the provider of said services.
So it isn't as cut and dry as your diagram suggests. The english language is a complex thing. Here, like piracy, the emphasis of the word theft is on "using without paying" rather than "taking without paying."
Last time i looked MOVIES, MUSIC, and APPLICATIONS were not a service. They are a product.
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»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theft_of_services
Theft of services is the legal term for a crime which is committed when a person obtains valuable services — as opposed to goods — by deception, force, threat or other unlawful means, i.e., without lawfully compensating the provider of said services.
So it isn't as cut and dry as your diagram suggests. The english language is a complex thing. Here, like piracy, the emphasis of the word theft is on "using without paying" rather than "taking without paying."]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21015219 Wed, 27 Aug 2008 14:16:17 EDT Re: You can thank p2p http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21015176 dadkins :
said by Matt See Profile :

said by ninjatutle See Profile :

They are booting them and throttling. Or at least tried to until people started crying. Now everyone is suffering thanks to thieves.

Even that is probably too complex for some to understand.

Ya know, I have about 250MB of cache that a few parts of could be considered "theft" by some people. :o

Flog away, but it's not going to make a difference - they refuse to accept reality. :huh:
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said by swhitney2003 See Profile :

I think p2p has very little to do with the capping of mobile data plans. Users are probably using their phones more than ever to browse websites and watch media on their phones... something that their plan wasn't initially set up for (email use). The wireless carriers don't want their service to be used as if they are an ISP, since their network is not built to be that. I think this is more of a move to stop people from using their phones as an internet connection for a house... rather than because of p2p usage.
The user is being forced to downgrade because he admitted to watching YouTube videos. It's all in the thread linked in the article.
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said by ninjatutle See Profile :

They are booting them and throttling. Or at least tried to until people started crying. Now everyone is suffering thanks to thieves.

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said by ninjatutle See Profile :

We'll be seeing more of these caps....
No, you can thank greedy corporations. If P2P was really the problem, they'd just boot the users.
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