Re: Does verizon need to ground fiber? in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r21016784 en Mon, 30 Nov 2009 16:52:13 EDT Mon, 30 Nov 2009 16:52:13 EDT Re: Does verizon need to ground fiber? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21021722 bogey780 : Fiber may be different from POTS but all telephone interfaces have carbon or gas tubes in there specifically with lightning protection in mind. The ground is definitely there in those for lightning.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21021722 Thu, 28 Aug 2008 16:34:50 EDT Re: Does verizon need to ground fiber? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21018874 cdru : You aren't grounding the fiber. You are grounding the CATV and networking wiring for the house. TVs, VCRs, etc are notorious for leaking current to the shield of coax. By grounding the system, you give the current a path to ground with less resistance then what a human standing on carpet twisting a connector onto the wall jack would have.

In the event of a more severe problem, like a true electrical short instead of just leaking, the ground also should also be enough to trip a breaker.

The ground is there as a safety precaution for you, not the equipment or the incoming line. It will also do little or nothing for lightening protection.

The problem with the NY installs (and probably many other places) is that the grounding is not done up to code if it was even done at all. There are specific guidelines by the NEC as to how you can and can't ground something. Just finding a metal screw on the side of the meter pan, a piece of metal strapping, etc is not up to code. Splicing the ground into another ground wire I believe is generally not up to code. Just driving in a ground rod and not bonding it to the main ground rod is not permitted. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21018874 Thu, 28 Aug 2008 07:54:07 EDT Re: Does verizon need to ground fiber? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21018859 NOCMan : Grounding is not to protect from being hit by lightning. It's to dissipate the static that could attract lightning and give a low resistance path in case of a electrical short.

I learned that building a home weather station when I had to put the mast up I checked what was needed for lightning protection.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21018859 Thu, 28 Aug 2008 07:44:59 EDT Re: Does verizon need to ground fiber? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21017602 tp0d : yea, #10 to the ground rod at min... I have #6 here from the main box to the rod, vz just put a bug on it for the fios with #12

so the nec code is wrong?

-j]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21017602 Wed, 27 Aug 2008 22:05:15 EDT Re: Does verizon need to ground fiber? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21017249 bogey780 : It's not the service voltage. It's foreign voltage (lightning and utility). The gauge usually allows only a certain amount of protection. Meaning the more services protected the higher the gauge needed. 10ga is the way to go.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21017249 Wed, 27 Aug 2008 21:04:39 EDT Re: Does verizon need to ground fiber? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21017096 tp0d :
said by Pathfinder See Profile :

Most codes require ground wire to be at least 10 guage.
Just checked again, says 12 awg on jacket, I was wrong...

I also checked out the NEC 2008.. they specify a minimum of 14awg for fiber and comms circuits. Since the input voltage and current is relatively low, I would think a #12 or 14 would be sufficient..

nec2008 quoted above... 770.100.A.3 on the first pic, and 800.100.A.3 on the 2nd

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said by Maggs See Profile :

Since fiber is light signals does Verizon actually have to ground it.
That's the burning question on my mind, can you really "ground" fiber? I could see power grounding, that just makes common sense, but grounding fiber?
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21016983 Wed, 27 Aug 2008 20:02:31 EDT Re: Does verizon need to ground fiber? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21016945 Pathfinder : Most codes require ground wire to be at least 10 guage.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21016945 Wed, 27 Aug 2008 19:53:52 EDT Re: Does verizon need to ground fiber? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21016827 tp0d : Must be the NY techs...

When the techs were here doing my install, they ran a #14 ground wire outside and bugged it onto my ground rod wiring. I`m not an electrician, but it looks pretty durn good to me.

no problems with getting zapped either LoL

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ps... somehows I think the NY PUC was prodded into investigating this... *cough* cv *cough*

edit--- just looked at the photos... there is some REAL shoddy work done in the photos... hard to believe thats a union guy, but anythings possible]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21016827 Wed, 27 Aug 2008 19:26:51 EDT Re: Does verizon need to ground fiber? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21016788 paulme : The ONT converts the light signal to something that your home can use:

Coax - for TV and/or internet.
rj45 - for internet.
rj11 - for phone.

Each of these require power. The ONT is providing it through the power connection made in the house its attached to. Before switching to fios, the power would have been provided by the service provider of each of these.

I honestly don't get why they don't ground it to the house's power, rather than doing this external grounding.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21016788 Wed, 27 Aug 2008 19:17:55 EDT Re: Does verizon need to ground fiber? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21016787 Pathfinder : All ONTs in New York are installed by union techs.

This is the most telling sentence.
said by article :
Industry analysts say this issue is probably more political than it is an issue of public safety. And the point of being political is to chip away at a competitor's reputation.
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said by Maggs See Profile :

Since fiber is light signals does Verizon actually have to ground it.
Apparently so...

NYDPS officials say the grounding issue poses a "potential safety risk to the premises and its occupants" in the case of FiOS homes, according to one report sent to Verizon two years ago. "We tentatively conclude that FiOS may form an electrically conductive path both to the outside world as well as other electrically powered devices inside the building," that report stated.
From »www.lightreading.com/document.as···d=162405

If there was union contractors on this they would have done better.
As long as people are installing it, people will take shortcuts, union or not. Union workers are not immune from doing crappy jobs.
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