Re: AT&T ,,, your money, delivered to the fund raisers

amigo_boy join:2005-07-22 Tempe, AZ ·Cox HSI ·magicjack.com	reply to Alvin Re: AT&T ,,, your money, delivered to the fund raisers said by Alvin : The question of whether AT&T did something illegal isn't the point. The fact that Congress and the President granted them immunity and prevented the courts doing their job in determining whether or not they did something illegal is the problem. You're wrong. Congress and the President did nothing more than restate 18 U.S.C. 2511(2)(a)(ii)(B) [1]. That law already defines when telcos are (or are not) liable to criminal or civil prosecution. So, the so-called immunity deal [2] didn't convey immunity. It says its only applicable if 2511 applies. All it did was provide an avenue for the judiciary to make that determination. We know this was the basis of the Administration's defense of the telcos because AG Gonzalez documented his argument that 2511 applies.[3] [1] »www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html···00-.html [2] »www.eff.org/files/filenode/att/F···_xml.pdf (see page 88) [3] »www.usdoj.gov/opa/whitepaperonns···ties.pdf (see page 23).
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Alvin @qwest.net	reply to NormanS The question of whether AT&T did something illegal isn't the point. The fact that Congress and the President granted them immunity and prevented the courts doing their job in determining whether or not they did something illegal is the problem. And in the greatest irony, it was the 14th amendment, through the Supreme Court and cases brought to it (over 80% of which were about corporations, not freed slaves) was the one that ultimately allowed Corporations to be defined as people and gave them the right to own property and have free speech leading to this problem with lobbyists and corporate domination in the first place. Now they're able to use their pull to avoid responsibility.
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