 Doctor FourMy other vehicle is a TARDISPremium
join:2000-09-05
Dallas, TX | If they did this in the UK... Advertising Standards (the UK equivalent of the FTC) would
be all over them with fines and other sanctions for misleading
ads. But compared to their UK equivalent, the FTC is spineless.
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"The trouble with computers, of course, is that they are very sophisticated idiots." - Doctor Who (from Robot)
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 RickPremium,MVM
join:2001-02-06
Waterbury, CT
1 edit | If they did what? I'm confused.
If you owned a company and you spent 100 billion dollars since 1997 on a state of the art fiber/coax network shouldn't you be able to talk about it in your ads?
What Verizon is doing in utilizing fiber in their network is nothing new. It's old. What they are doing that is perhaps new is running fiber to the home in some places. That's great..but there's nothing to say it's really going to be any improvement based on real world usage than what the cable co's have done. Particularly when you consider the up and coming Docsis 3.0 standards.
While I don't fault verizon for their efforts..it's really necessary that they do this as a result of telco's failure over the last decade to do what the cable co's has. And now it's going to cost them a whole lot of money to try to compete and there is no assurance for them..or their customers.. whatsoever that this venture will be successful.
I've mentioned before the comparison of Rambus memory versus DDR. While perhaps ftth could be technologically superior and hence..what Rambus was..who wound up winning?
DDR did. There is a real business lesson in that example.
Realistically, FTTH isn't giving verizon customers more than we get on Comcast cable. I and many people see 30,000k + speeds. While that is with powerboost...powerboost does cover many of the things people use their connections for.
And, this isn't even beginning to address Docsis 3.0 and what that will deliver in a year or two.
Comcast and the cable co's are not dead by a long shot. And, they have a lot of fiber..and are now just flexing their muscles and using it. They should talk about that..and have every right to do so.
They already spent their money. Whereas in many cases..for Verizon and AT&T..it's still but a dream. |
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»www.fiberevolution.com/2008/04/t···ion.html |
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Laughs, I should run ads on my wonderful Fiber Dial-up option, considering most copper telco services cross fiber at one point or another... |
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 IgnitePremium,VIP
join:2004-03-18
UK
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said by Rick:If they did what? I'm confused. If you owned a company and you spent 100 billion dollars since 1997 on a state of the art fiber/coax network shouldn't you be able to talk about it in your ads? What Verizon is doing in utilizing fiber in their network is nothing new. It's old. What they are doing that is perhaps new is running fiber to the home in some places. That's great..but there's nothing to say it's really going to be any improvement based on real world usage than what the cable co's have done. Particularly when you consider the up and coming Docsis 3.0 standards. FTTP is 'perhaps new' HFC is state of the art. I started to struggle to read further at this point. 
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While I don't fault verizon for their efforts..it's really necessary that they do this as a result of telco's failure over the last decade to do what the cable co's has. And now it's going to cost them a whole lot of money to try to compete and there is no assurance for them..or their customers.. whatsoever that this venture will be successful.
OK.
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I've mentioned before the comparison of Rambus memory versus DDR. While perhaps ftth could be technologically superior and hence..what Rambus was..who wound up winning?
DDR did. There is a real business lesson in that example.
Also a totally irrelevant one, there's a very good reasons why Rambus failed which aren't applicable here.
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Realistically, FTTH isn't giving verizon customers more than we get on Comcast cable. I and many people see 30,000k + speeds. While that is with powerboost...powerboost does cover many of the things people use their connections for.
And, this isn't even beginning to address Docsis 3.0 and what that will deliver in a year or two.
I don't see sustained 30Mbits delivered over Comcast, nor for that matter do I see 20Mbit upstreams. I'm struggling to find the rumoured 250GB/month cap, the previous protocol based throttling, or the peak time throttling that's on the table at Comcast. Verizon appear to be delivering symettrical 20Mbit and 50Mbit/20Mbit, and that isn't even beginning to address DWDM / 10GbE PON technologies and what they will deliver in time.
DOCSIS 3, yep, not cheap to deploy as these 'state of the art' HFC networks need upgrading to add additional capacity. To borrow your terminology it's costing Comcast et al quite a few bucks to compete and there's no assurance for them or their customers whatsoever that this venture will be successful.
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Comcast and the cable co's are not dead by a long shot. And, they have a lot of fiber..and are now just flexing their muscles and using it. They should talk about that..and have every right to do so.
The advertising is still misleading whichever way you spin it. They only began advertising in this manner when Verizon began an FTTP rollout.
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They already spent their money. Whereas in many cases..for Verizon and AT&T..it's still but a dream.
Did they now? You're aware Comcast's CapEx increased 24% in 2007. Hardly the actions of a company that's already spent its' money.
Yes there is a limited DOCSIS 3 rollout, but in many cases... for Comcast customers... it's still but a dream. |
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 en102Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | reply to Rick
While Cable Co and Telco spent billions of dollars... it doesn't mean that they are all fiber.
I'm on 'fiber fast' Time Warner, which has a lot of issues.
- 8 hour outage in the first week
- Channels that break up on digital EVERY NIGHT.
While I never had any fiber near my house on ADSL or DirecTv, it has been much more reliable.
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whatsoever that this venture will be successful.
Rick rick rick .. what clues do you have that this is a failure? fiOS has one of the highest satisfation ratings, The most consistant internet.. the absolute BEST TV. Verizon FiOS is NOT Voom. What should worry the cable co's is FiOS is spreading more and more every single day... and the neighbors are talking about it in the 'hoods.
The cable companies have the most misleading ads... cablevision is the WORST ones... and the people are catching on. |
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A certain Virgin Media is playing this exact same card, saying that their service is "fibre-optic".
A certain Advertising Standards Agency didn't uphold a complaint about this from BT and co, saying that this was false.
Personally, I think that this practice of pushing cable as "fibre optic" is really quite shabby. Especially when Virgin are having huge problems trying to provide 20Mbit (and so, when you download too much, they slow you down for a few hours. That's certainly a "fibre-optic" internet experience) |
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