Re: Consumer confusion in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r21020773 en Fri, 04 Dec 2009 16:12:16 EDT Fri, 04 Dec 2009 16:12:16 EDT Re: Consumer confusion http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21022276 NormanS :
said by jwersan See Profile :

Next generation DSL products such as ADSL2 and VDSL bring a lot more bandwidth into the home with faster technology and/or by moving the aggregation point closer to the home. But, it's clearly not fiber to the home.
And does not offer anywhere near the speed potential that FTTH can and does.
I'd have to agree with that assessment. FTTN, which is what ADSL2+ and VDSL are riding on in most deployments, can extend the competitive live of copper pair, in comparison with coax. It is not a substitute for FTTH.
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said by DaneJasper See Profile :

All of our networks today have fiber behind them at some level. It's clear that they're trying to mislead the customer.
I agree..
Coax does have a lot of potential - it's yesterday's technology, but the bandwidth capacity is huge. In a Hybrid Fiber Coax (HFC) deployment, where they've brought the fiber into the neighborhood and just delivered the final leg on coax, that can be shared with a smaller number of end-users.
This is where you lose it. While they COULD do it this way, the don't, shared bandwidth is oversold so during "peak" it drops like a depth-charge!
Next generation DSL products such as ADSL2 and VDSL bring a lot more bandwidth into the home with faster technology and/or by moving the aggregation point closer to the home. But, it's clearly not fiber to the home.
And does not offer anywhere near the speed potential that FTTH can and does.
That said, the bottom line should be consistent speed, not what it's carried on. The choice of network topology and investment level sets the stage for the carrier's future, but today, what matters to the consumer is what they can buy, at what price. What color the connector is (orange, black or grey) isn't as important.

-Dane
Fixed it for you, but that is a BIG part as to why cable is such a poor competitor, as configured now, to FTTH, and does not have the upward ability that FTTH offers.
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said by keyboard5684 See Profile :

Yes, but a fiber-coax hybrid is fiber to probably your block or at least close.
Sounds like Uverse!
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In addition, that coax carries a lot more bandwidth than a pair of wires.

I agree with the poster, fiber is right out there, the cable companies can do what they want in the future. For example, if they wanted to launch full fiber deployment they could probably do a small city in 6 months because the major work is done, the fiber run to the neighborhood.

Run fiber to the home and cable from the same place a mile away. What will make the difference is what is beyond that mile. All the talk about fiber to the home is just great, but really it is not needed yet by cable companies.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21020773 Thu, 28 Aug 2008 13:46:21 EDT Re: Consumer confusion http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21020357 koolkid1563 : Might as well call dial-up fiber too since once on the backbone it too uses fiber :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21020357 Thu, 28 Aug 2008 12:40:46 EDT Re: Consumer confusion http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21019890 EPS : Indeed- you might as well call DSL fiber-optic internet too, since the COs are fed by fiber. By this definition "fiber-optic internet" rapidly becomes meaningless, since all internet traffic uses fiber-optics SOMEWHERE (Fiber-optic Satellite Internet!)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21019890 Thu, 28 Aug 2008 11:26:40 EDT Consumer confusion http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21019878 DaneJasper : All of our networks today have fiber behind them at some level. It's clear that they're trying to mislead the customer.

Coax does have a lot of potential - it's yesterday's technology, but the bandwidth capacity is huge. In a Hybrid Fiber Coax (HFC) deployment, where they've brought the fiber into the neighborhood and just delivered the final leg on coax, that can be shared with a smaller number of end-users.

Next generation DSL products such as ADSL2 and VDSL bring a lot more bandwidth into the home with faster technology and/or by moving the aggregation point closer to the home. But, it's clearly not fiber to the home.

That said, the bottom line should be speed, not what it's carried on. The choice of network topology and investment level sets the stage for the carrier's future, but today, what matters to the consumer is what they can buy, at what price. What color the connector is (orange, black or grey) isn't as important.

-Dane]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21019878 Thu, 28 Aug 2008 11:24:23 EDT