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Smith6612
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[Interleave/Fastpath] Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

All depends. Your attenuation looks normal (upstream is half of downstream), so I wouldn't go for it, as it looks like your upstream has already lost a little bit of speed simply due to the line length. It is unlikely but possible for the pole to home drop to be bad.

@Lud: What modem do you have?

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Hi guys, today I was looking to switching to fast path and wasn't sure if it's a good idea. May I ask where do you find these stats? I'm new to this, thanks

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Smith6612,

Thanks for the feedback. I checked where the line came in, and ran a single line to my modem, with 1 only 1 connection between them (dont have a standard phone connector to use)

My numbers are a little different today:

Transceiver Revision: 7.2.3.0
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: ADSL2+ Mode
Data Path: Interleaved

Transceiver Information Downstream Path Upstream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 3355 851
Margin (dB) 12.0 9.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 49.0 28.5
Transmit Power (dBm) 18.3 12.0

Still not much different tho. The only other thing I can think of is running a cleaner line directly from the source to my modem, bypassing the one phone jack I installed.

Still, I dont think I'll get much out of it. Could this be an issue of the line running from the pole to my house?
cleatherman
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I live out of town about 1 mile. so there are no street lights that i know of. And this only started happening after i switched to fastpath. and there are no electronics that are turning on at that time and its not at the same time every night it just happens sometime during the night when im on world of warcraft.

and sometimes i can catch it and see the modem stats before it re syncs and the DS margin hits like -7 then when it comes back on the speed stays the same and its at like 10 or 11 on the DS margin.

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Does the resyncing take place at the same time every night, and does it correlate with anything such as Street lamps/devices in your home coming on?

@Corebot: Your margins are a bit low to put FastPath on that line. If you could, can you try plugging your modem into your home's NID (a gray box typically on the side of your home) and send the stats hooked up to the NID? If the margins are better at the NID, then we can work from there. If not, then there's really nothing you can do besides bumping down the speed and then asking FastPath, or ask for FastPath at it's current state and possibly risk some instability.
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Ok so i got switched to fast path i would say about 2 to 3 weeks ago and every night even though my DS margin is at like 10 or 11 i will loose sync right in the middle of wow and then i have to reset modem and it comes back on right were it was synced before and is just fine the rest of the night but every night this happens. So i really cant have this happening so i was wondering since they said we can not switch back. What if you need to switch back to interleave. And also it didn't really help my ping in wow i think that is just a normal 200-300 ms delay.

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Here are my stats. Just got DSL set up today, it's slow compared to the cable service I just left. Hoping to speed things up:
Transceiver Information Downstream Path Upstream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 3355 855
Margin (dB) 8.5 9.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 48.0 28.0
Transmit Power (dBm) 17.9 12.1

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It should be almost instant. As soon as they see the thread and you give them the OK after they warn you about not being able to switch back, as soon as they see the OK, it should come on within 30 seconds.
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How long does it normally take to switch.. I posted on VZ direct, they opened a ticket and its been 8 days since then and I am still interleaved.

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Typically at a margin of 10dB on the upstream is where lines start to begin losing sync and, and though the line is synced without issues right now, and the downstream margin is sufficient, what really makes me shy away from FastPath is the upstream margin as well as the attenuation on the line itself (pretty much the farthest limit for 3Mbps service). You can go for it if you want to risk stability on the line, but I wouldn't do it personally.
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My upload margin was 6 but it seems to have improved. Should I now switch to fastpath?

Transceiver Revision: 7.2.3.0
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT Mode
Data Path: Interleaved

Transceiver Information Downstream Path Upstream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 3360 864
Margin (dB) 15.0 10.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 50.0 29.5
Transmit Power (dBm) 13.9 11.8

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Yes you can
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Below are my stats, can i be switched to FastPath? Thanks in advance.

Transceiver Statistics

Transceiver Revision: 7.2.3.0
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT Mode
Data Path: Interleaved

Transceiver Information
Downstream Path Upstream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 3360 864
Margin (dB) 16.5 17.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 25.5 13.0
Transmit Power (dBm) 7.6 11.7

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No problem If you ever did need FastPath like crazy, if you bump your download down a bit it may leave some room for FastPath. As per the upload side, not sure.
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It is as I suspected due to my residence being on the fringe of the DSL service area, I am not going to be able to improve my Internet connection. Thank you for your assistance. -Kevin

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That is quite a long line, considering the attenuation is at 62.5dB. With a margin of 11, I would assume that at that distance, the upstream margin is just as bad, but if you want to see if you can get a better chance of getting FastPath, try plugging your modem into your home's NID and then pulling up the stats and posting them.
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Excellent Response! Here is what I got...

[Administration]
Modem Software Version Info
Current: VER:01.00.35 Dual Connect Bridge
Previous: N/A N/A
Boot: VER:01.00.10
Modem Model #: A90-210015-04
Modem Serial # 02B412081029
Transceiver Version: MR7 07.01.254 TI MR7 Modem Image M

[DSL]
Line Statistics Upstream Downstream
Noise Margin [dB]: N/A 11.0
Output Power [dB]: N/A N/A
Attenuation [dBm]: N/A 62.5
Data Rate [kbits/s]: 160 1792
Error Counters
FEC Errors: 5289
CRC Errors: 2
HEC Errors: 0
Signal Lost: 0
Frame Loss: 0

[ATM]
Rx User Traffic Cell Count: 750291
Tx User Traffic Cell Count: 123223
Invalid or dropped cells: 0
OAM/Control Cell Count: N/A
0/21 Loopback: 0
Encapsulation Type: Bridge
Rx AAL PDU: 34271
Tx AAL PDU: 24230

[Ethernet]
Rx Frames: 139
Tx Frames: 206
Discarded Frames: 0

Is this good enough for FastPath?

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A 2100 should support FastPath without issues. To get the stats from the 2100, see this FAQ.

»/faq/7553
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I want FastPath so I decided to interrogate my Westell WireSpeed A90-210015-04 for transceiver statistics. I can't find any documentation for this device. I am fairly certain it is running in bridge mode as I use it in front of a Cisco ASA 5500. Verizon chat support had me using a browser which did not work. I don't even think this modem has a web server. Do I need a Westell 6100 to support FastPath and if not, is there a way to retrieve the transceiver stats from a Westell 2100?

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Lucky SOB, lol!
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So i just got a call from verizon and they just switched me over to fastpath and they upped my download speed to which is weird. Here are my current stats

Mode: G.DMT
Type: Fast
Line Coding: Trellis On
Status: No Defect
Link Power State: L0

Downstream Upstream
SNR Margin (dB): 12.3 13.0
Attenuation (dB): 36.0 23.0
Output Power (dBm): 19.7 11.9
Attainable Rate (Kbps): 9536 1172
Rate (Kbps): 7840 864

and i did a speed test and this is what i got
»www.speedtest.net/result ··· 7818.png

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I'd leave it alone.
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Here are my stats:

Transceiver Revision: 7.2.3.0
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT Mode
Data Path: Interleaved

Transceiver Information Downstream Path Upstream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 7616 864
Margin (dB) 10.0 11.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 26.5 16.0
Transmit Power (dBm) 19.7 11.9

Will I be able to switch over to FastPath? Thanks for your help!

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That line is no good for FastPath. The Downstream Margin is already a bit low, and the upstream side isn't synced properly (which is why you're getting the interruptions). Really, if your attenuation is correct you are at the dead fringe of 3Mbps service. Try plugging your modem into your NID and getting the stats there to see if things look better.
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Here's my stats please:

Transceiver Revision: 7.2.3.0
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT Mode
Data Path: Interleaved

Transceiver Information Downstream Path Upstream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 3360 672
Margin (dB) 7.0 11.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 51.5 31.5
Transmit Power (dBm) 17.0 11.7

Actually, I'm thinking about switching to cable already. I'm experiencing too much interruptions (several a day).

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Hmm, in that case then, though you *may* get by with the 3Mbps package, it's not suggested based on your margins. Really the only thing you can get for sure is FastPath for reduced line latency.
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It is plugged into the NID. A dedicated DSL line only. The tech even took out the half ringer.
Always room for more SPEED! The kids demand it.

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You are pretty far from the exhange based on the attenuation, but you could get FastPath with that. If you want to see if you can get FastPath, plug your modem into the NID if possible and pull the line stats from there. Your line stats suggest 2.5 miles from the exchange in wire.
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Transceiver Revision: 7.2.3.0
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: ADSL2+ Mode
Data Path: Interleaved

Transceiver Information Downstream Path Upstream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 1787 447
Margin (dB) 14.0 22.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 53.5 35.5
Transmit Power (dBm) 16.0 11.9
What do you think ? I`d like to get the 3.0 but they said I was 1.5 miles away. I`m at the end of the loop.

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Yes, that line is good to go for FastPath as well as higher speeds should you ask as well.