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bshampine

join:2010-04-08
Gouverneur, NY
reply to Smith6612

[Interleave/Fastpath] Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Hey smith is this something that can be done through this website?



Smith6612
Premium,MVM
join:2008-02-01
North Tonawanda, NY
kudos:24

It is. Visit the Verizon Direct forum at: »Verizon Direct


thefireman

join:2012-07-07
Gouverneur, NY
reply to Smith6612


VPI:

0

VCI:

35

Broadband Mode Setting:

ADSL2+

Broadband Negotiated Mode:

ADSL2+

Connection Status:

CONNECTED

Downstream Speed:

1788 Kbps

Upstream Speed:

445 Kbps

Retrains:

0

Retrain Timer:

3 Days, 21H:39M:47S

ATM QoS class:

UBR

Near End CRC Errors Interleave:

0

Near End CRC Errors Fastpath :

N/A

Far End CRC Errors Interleave :

0

Far End CRC Errors Fastpath :

N/A

30 Minute Near End CRC Interleave :

0

30 Minute Near End CRC Fastpath :

N/A

30 Minute Far End CRC Interleave :

0

30 Minute Far End CRC Fastpath :

N/A

Near End RS FEC Interleave :

0

Near End RS FEC Fastpath :

N/A

Far End RS FEC Interleave :

0

Far End RS FEC Fastpath :

N/A

30 Minute Near End FEC Interleave :

10783

30 Minute Near End FEC Fastpath :

N/A

30 Minute Far End FEC Interleave :

0

30 Minute Far End FEC Fastpath :

N/A

30 Minute Discarded Packets Downstream :

0

30 Minute Discarded Packets Upstream :

0

SNR Downstream :

21 dB

SNR Upstream :

33 dB

Attenuation Downstream :

22 dB

Attenuation Upstream :

10 dB

Power Downstream

0 dBm

Power Upstream

10.1 dBm



Smith6612
Premium,MVM
join:2008-02-01
North Tonawanda, NY
kudos:24

Your line is good to go. Ask Verizon if they can push your line to 7 or 10Mbps. 3Mbps at the very minimum, then see if FastPath is a viable choice after the speed boost


superpc

join:2012-07-12
Gloucester, VA
Reviews:
·Cox HSI

adsl: ADSL driver and PHY status
Status: Showtime Retrain Reason: 2000
Channel: INTR, Upstream rate = 864 Kbps, Downstream rate = 3360 Kbps
Link Power State: L0
Mode: G.DMT
Channel: Interleave
Trellis: OFF
Line Status: No Defect
Training Status: Showtime
Down Up
SNR (dB): 28.7 10.0
Attn(dB): 44.0 17.0
Pwr(dBm): 19.5 11.9
Max(Kbps): 9568 1008
Rate (Kbps): 3360 864

Am I good to go for FastPath or should I stay with Interleave for now? I usually get around 40ms to the exchange itself when I've done ping test, but I wonder if I could get less latency with FastPath. I'm around 1.4-1.8 miles from the exchange currently.


josw

join:2000-12-26
Spotsylvania, VA
reply to Smith6612

I was on Fast Path and now they have me on interleaved, I wonder why here are my stats and I have had no connection problems
Transceiver Statistics
Transceiver Revision A2pB020b3.d20h
Vendor ID Code 4D54
Line Mode ADSL_G.dmt
Data Path INTERLEAVED

Transceiver Information Down Stream Path Up Stream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 3360 864
Margin (dB) 18.0 13.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 36.0 17.5
Transmit Power (dBm) 10.8 11.9


dei28

join:2003-05-27
Willingboro, NJ

They just did the same trick to my parents. Now they complain about the speed when fast path was fine for years.


fan_aLba

join:2012-07-17
Moreno Valley, CA
reply to Smith6612

Am i good for fastpath ? My online gaming is laggy but my ping's are fine and speeds for downloading are fine.

Transceiver Revision 3.3.6.10.0.1
Vendor ID Code 4D54
Line Mode ADSL_2plus
Data Path INTERLEAVED

Transceiver Information Down Stream Path Up Stream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 7669 860
Margin (dB) 10.6 0.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 44.4 0.0
Transmit Power (dBm) 18.1 12.1


kteng

join:2009-06-26
Hacienda Heights, CA
reply to Smith6612

VPI: 0
VCI: 35
Broadband Mode Setting: ADSL2+
Broadband Negotiated Mode: ADSL2+
Connection Status: CONNECTED
Downstream Speed: 10063 Kbps
Upstream Speed: 1146 Kbps
Retrains: 6
Retrain Timer: 2 Days, 0H:30M:5S
ATM QoS class: UBR
Near End CRC Errors Interleave: 4714
Near End CRC Errors Fastpath : N/A
Far End CRC Errors Interleave : 576
Far End CRC Errors Fastpath : N/A
30 Minute Near End CRC Interleave : 807
30 Minute Near End CRC Fastpath : N/A
30 Minute Far End CRC Interleave : 0
30 Minute Far End CRC Fastpath : N/A
Near End RS FEC Interleave : 0
Near End RS FEC Fastpath : N/A
Far End RS FEC Interleave : 0
Far End RS FEC Fastpath : N/A
30 Minute Near End FEC Interleave : 40587
30 Minute Near End FEC Fastpath : N/A
30 Minute Far End FEC Interleave : 13
30 Minute Far End FEC Fastpath : N/A
30 Minute Discarded Packets Downstream : 0
30 Minute Discarded Packets Upstream : 0
SNR Downstream : 14 dB
SNR Upstream : 9 dB
Attenuation Downstream : 31 dB
Attenuation Upstream : 14 dB
Power Downstream 0 dBm
Power Upstream 12.6 dBm

I actually called in for fastpath but even the supervisor had no idea what i was talking about :/



Smith6612
Premium,MVM
join:2008-02-01
North Tonawanda, NY
kudos:24
Reviews:
·Verizon Online DSL
·Frontier Communi..
reply to superpc

@superpc: Your line's doing pretty good. Should be fine for FastPath and some additional speeds.

@josw: You're looking fine to me as well.

@dei28: You might want to have someone on this forum look at your line. Removing FastPath shouldn't kill the speed unless Verizon broke something in the process of taking it away, or there are line issues.

@fan_aLba: Your line is sort of on the edge. I'd keep FastPath off the line if possible, or get it downgraded to 5Mbps to ensure stability if the copper cannot be cleaned up a bit more. You look to be at or past the 2 Mile mark which is a good distance for 7.1Mbps to run over. Your upstream statistics are also not being reported which isn't too helpful.

@kteng: Did you say "Gamer Mode" by any chance? Sometimes some key words need to be used that allow them to get the idea of what's going on so the actual technical work can be done to complete the request. I would be careful with FastPath on that line though. Your line is showing a considerable amount of errors being corrected by Interleaving and very little being corrected by Impulse Noise correction.


fan_aLba

join:2012-07-17
Moreno Valley, CA
reply to Smith6612

Transceiver Statistics
Transceiver Revision 3.3.6.10.0.1
Vendor ID Code 4D54
Line Mode ADSL_2plus
Data Path INTERLEAVED

Transceiver Information Down Stream Path Up Stream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 7669 860
Margin (dB) 10.0 15.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 44.1 23.8
Transmit Power (dBm) 18.0 12.0

I have checked a few more times and this has been the readings iam getting. Also i didn't see a package for 5mbps. I had the 1mbps then the 3mbps and what i have now 7mbps. How do i go about getting the line copper cleaned up ? Just post in the direct forum or call verizon? I just want normal lag free gaming would any of my readings indicate a line that could cause bad lag?


AJR234

join:2005-09-29
Barre, MA

2 edits
reply to Smith6612

Is my line good enough for FastPath? Is ADSL2+ possible for my line? Also, what is the maximum speed I could / should be getting with these stats?

Transceiver Statistics

Transceiver Revision: 7.2.3.0
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT Mode
Data Path: Interleaved

Transceiver Information Downstream Path Upstream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 1792 448
Margin (dB) 27.0 27.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 20.5 14.0
Transmit Power (dBm) 7.6 11.8

Thanks!



Jodokast96
Stupid people really piss me off.
Premium
join:2005-11-23
Erial, NJ
kudos:2

3.0/768 fastpath will be no problem on that line. 5 down may also be possible.



Natipoo

@verizon.net
reply to Smith6612

Is my Line good enough? One other thing I only ever seem to get 1.5mbps any idea why?
Transceiver Statistics

Transceiver Revision: 7.2.3.0
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: ADSL2+ Mode
Data Path: Interleaved

Transceiver Information Downstream Path Upstream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 3354 861
Margin (dB) 31.0 9.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 7.0 4.0
Transmit Power (dBm) 6.2 12.3



Natipoo

@verizon.net
reply to Smith6612

Is my Line good enough to support a fastpath? One other thing I only ever seem to get 1.5mbps any idea why?
Transceiver Statistics

Transceiver Revision: 7.2.3.0
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: ADSL2+ Mode
Data Path: Interleaved

Transceiver Information Downstream Path Upstream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 3354 861
Margin (dB) 31.0 9.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 7.0 4.0
Transmit Power (dBm) 6.2 12.3



DJRayEarth

join:2012-08-01
Los Angeles, CA
reply to Smith6612

I'm getting massive lag whenever I'm playing online games.
this is what I have after a long back and forth with tech support and almost 1 month with no internet

Advanced LAN Statistics

Connection Rate (Down/Up): 11740 Kbits/sec by 1002 Kbits/sec

Connection Status

In Packets : 25040130
Out Packets : 27737496

In Error Packets : 0
Out Error Packets : 688556

Transceiver Statistics

Transceiver Revision: 7.2.3.0
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: ADSL2+ Mode
Data Path: Interleaved

Transceiver Information Downstream Path Upstream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 11740 1002
Margin (dB) 13.0 10.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 26.5 14.0
Transmit Power (dBm) 16.4 9.7



Smith6612
Premium,MVM
join:2008-02-01
North Tonawanda, NY
kudos:24
Reviews:
·Verizon Online DSL
·Frontier Communi..
reply to fan_aLba

It looks like your copper's doing pretty good. You should be able to get FastPath turned on without too much of a problem on that line, as long as it's not dropping sync.

@Natipoo: Your line is good but I would check to see what you can do about the upstream. Your line is really close but the upstream SNR is low, and the transmit power is high for the distance. Check around your home for any old or corroded terminals the copper wiring connects to and clean/fix it up as needed. If you have an older style NID such as a Gas Tube Protector or a Carbon Block consider having Verizon come out and replace it with a more modern one, even though they do not affect DSL service if they are in good shape.

@DJRayEarth: It's hard to say where Massive Lags are coming from, but Interleaving won't really cause that. You should be fine for FastPath, but I would suggest working on getting your upstream improved a bit. If you can get that improved you'll be able to enjoy a bit more speed and overall the connection should run better too.


likerondo7

join:2012-05-29

how does fast path work? can someone use your internet and you still won't feel lag? because that is my problem my brother uses my internet while im on the ps3 so i lag.



Smith6612
Premium,MVM
join:2008-02-01
North Tonawanda, NY
kudos:24
Reviews:
·Verizon Online DSL
·Frontier Communi..

It works by removing error checking from the line. This decreases the latency on the line and is noticed when the line is not saturated, however it will not resolve latency caused by saturating your Internet connection. So, pretty much if your brother is using the connection up completely it will not prevent that sort of lag. You'll notice less lag and lower pings though.



glnz

join:2006-11-26
New York, NY

2 edits
reply to Smith6612

Smith - nice to post with you again.

I have Verizon home DSL in NYC and have been working with an excellent network engineer to see what is the best we can do - ideally 7Mbps down fastpath. The engineer has set me this way a number of times but twice now the circuits have automatically set me back to interleaved in about 36 hours. Here is part of the latest test from the CO:

[08/25/12 23:25:21] ===>\; ADSL Loop Data
[08/25/12 23:25:21] Downstream Upstream
[08/25/12 23:25:21] Relative Capacity 39 70
[08/25/12 23:25:21] Noise Margin 18.0 19.8
[08/25/12 23:25:21] Transmit Signal Power 7.3 12.2
[08/25/12 23:25:21] Attenuation 27.1 16.8
[08/25/12 23:25:21] Interleaved Bit Rate 7496 863 (in use)
[08/25/12 23:25:21] Intr Max Attainable BR 19021 1231 (in use)
[08/25/12 23:25:21] Fast Channel Bit Rate - - (not in use)
[08/25/12 23:25:21] Fast Max Attainable BR - - (not in use)

I am attaching my complete HSI Field Ping Test - you might find it interesting. What to do? Is there anything to suggest to the engineer to help him keep this nailed to fastpath?

Could it have anything to do with my modem-router, a new D-Link DSL 2750B? Also, the engineer sent a tech to my home, who added a voice-DSL splitter made by Westell. Are these clues?

Thanks.


Smith6612
Premium,MVM
join:2008-02-01
North Tonawanda, NY
kudos:24
Reviews:
·Verizon Online DSL
·Frontier Communi..

I'm not seeing any reason why you should be on Interleaved and I doubt the modem is the reason. If the engineer is setting your line to Fast and it's being reverted a few days later, have they checked to see if ASSIA is running on the line? Interleaved is Verizon's new preferred mode for DSL connections and ASSIA when it runs seems to be quite biased towards it. I can't confirm how it's set up but that is generally what it seems to do.

Most lines in my area that were on Fast have been put to Interleaved mode as it is now the default setting, rather than default based on the plant in your area or your CO. I was moved to Interleaved for a day, where I had tim_k turn FastPath back on and it's been like that since. I've had Verizon adjust a few other things on my line for various reasons but I still have FastPath because I asked for it specifically. ASSIA also does not run on my line.



glnz

join:2006-11-26
New York, NY

3 edits

Smith - you are so knowledgeable, it's scary. All of us here are big fans of yours, and I wish I could email you a glass of Scotch in appreciation.

If you look at the .txt attachment in my post directly above, there ARE references to ASSIA. That HSI Field Ping Test also has these lines:

[08/25/12 23:25:21]
[08/25/12 23:25:21] ===>\; Query ASSIA Data for 11/ARDA/526270//NY/1 (ASSIA)
[08/25/12 23:25:21] ... Circuit is in ASSIA PO (0)
[08/25/12 23:25:21] ... PO start time was 2012-08-24 09:58:12
[08/25/12 23:25:21]

[So, what does ASSIA mean? EDIT: It's a company that sells bandwidth management tech to the telcos.]

By the way, the following are my HSI Field Ping Test lines from just BEFORE the above, when I still had fastpath. Do you still think the margin is good enough and the attenuation is low enough to maintain fastpath at 7Mbps down? I note that both are a bit worse when I'm on fastpath than when I'm on interleaved, but doesn't seem like a big difference.

[08/23/12 08:35:31] ===>\; ADSL Loop Data
[08/23/12 08:35:31] Downstream Upstream
[08/23/12 08:35:31] Relative Capacity 39 73
[08/23/12 08:35:31] Noise Margin 16.2 18.1
[08/23/12 08:35:31] Transmit Signal Power 6.7 11.8
[08/23/12 08:35:31] Attenuation 27.5 17.0
[08/23/12 08:35:31] Fast Channel Bit Rate 7840 863 (in use)
[08/23/12 08:35:31] Fast Max Attainable BR 19613 1171 (in use)
[08/23/12 08:35:31] Interleaved Bit Rate - - (not in use)
[08/23/12 08:35:31] Intr Max Attainable BR - - (not in use)

Thanks again !!


amty823

join:2012-08-27
reply to Smith6612

I want to switch to fastpath. Can someone help?



sashwa
Premium,Mod
join:2001-01-29
Alcatraz
kudos:17

You need to post your Transceiver stats from your modem to see if your line can handle it.



tim_k
Buttons, Bows, Beamer, Shadow, Kasey
Premium,VIP
join:2002-02-02
Stewartstown, PA
kudos:37
reply to glnz

said by glnz:

; Query ASSIA Data for 11/ARDA/526270//NY/1 (ASSIA)

Having the ARDA circuit ID made it real easy See how it looks.


glnz

join:2006-11-26
New York, NY

4 edits

Tim - Got your email.

Many thanks.

My new down stream Margin is 15.7. From Smith's many posts here, I would guess that's good enough and won't set me back. Do you agree?



tim_k
Buttons, Bows, Beamer, Shadow, Kasey
Premium,VIP
join:2002-02-02
Stewartstown, PA
kudos:37
reply to Smith6612

email sent


NeedFiosNow

join:2011-11-16
Boston, MA
reply to Smith6612

Transceiver Revision 3.3.6.10.0.1
Vendor ID Code 4D54
Line Mode ADSL_2plus
Data Path INTERLEAVED

Transceiver Information Down Stream Path Up Stream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 7839 861
Margin (dB) 7.5 19.8
Line Attenuation (dB) 33.9 15.3
Transmit Power (dBm) 17.2 10.1


leo1121

join:2012-09-11
Brooklyn, NY
reply to Smith6612

Hi, how are you everyone? I'm new here. How can I check the Transceiver and post the result here? I'm experience extreme slow internet connection, only download 1.5mbps.



Smith6612
Premium,MVM
join:2008-02-01
North Tonawanda, NY
kudos:24
Reviews:
·Verizon Online DSL
·Frontier Communi..
reply to NeedFiosNow

For that line I would try to avoid it. The downstream margin is pretty low and it will probably start dropping out unless you can get it to about 12dB solidly. But yet again, it may also hold without any issues.

@leo1121: What modem do you have?

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