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Smith6612
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reply to glnz

[Interleave/Fastpath] Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

I'm not seeing any reason why you should be on Interleaved and I doubt the modem is the reason. If the engineer is setting your line to Fast and it's being reverted a few days later, have they checked to see if ASSIA is running on the line? Interleaved is Verizon's new preferred mode for DSL connections and ASSIA when it runs seems to be quite biased towards it. I can't confirm how it's set up but that is generally what it seems to do.

Most lines in my area that were on Fast have been put to Interleaved mode as it is now the default setting, rather than default based on the plant in your area or your CO. I was moved to Interleaved for a day, where I had tim_k turn FastPath back on and it's been like that since. I've had Verizon adjust a few other things on my line for various reasons but I still have FastPath because I asked for it specifically. ASSIA also does not run on my line.


glnz

join:2006-11-26
New York, NY

3 edits
Smith - you are so knowledgeable, it's scary. All of us here are big fans of yours, and I wish I could email you a glass of Scotch in appreciation.

If you look at the .txt attachment in my post directly above, there ARE references to ASSIA. That HSI Field Ping Test also has these lines:

[08/25/12 23:25:21]
[08/25/12 23:25:21] ===>\; Query ASSIA Data for 11/ARDA/526270//NY/1 (ASSIA)
[08/25/12 23:25:21] ... Circuit is in ASSIA PO (0)
[08/25/12 23:25:21] ... PO start time was 2012-08-24 09:58:12
[08/25/12 23:25:21]

[So, what does ASSIA mean? EDIT: It's a company that sells bandwidth management tech to the telcos.]

By the way, the following are my HSI Field Ping Test lines from just BEFORE the above, when I still had fastpath. Do you still think the margin is good enough and the attenuation is low enough to maintain fastpath at 7Mbps down? I note that both are a bit worse when I'm on fastpath than when I'm on interleaved, but doesn't seem like a big difference.

[08/23/12 08:35:31] ===>\; ADSL Loop Data
[08/23/12 08:35:31] Downstream Upstream
[08/23/12 08:35:31] Relative Capacity 39 73
[08/23/12 08:35:31] Noise Margin 16.2 18.1
[08/23/12 08:35:31] Transmit Signal Power 6.7 11.8
[08/23/12 08:35:31] Attenuation 27.5 17.0
[08/23/12 08:35:31] Fast Channel Bit Rate 7840 863 (in use)
[08/23/12 08:35:31] Fast Max Attainable BR 19613 1171 (in use)
[08/23/12 08:35:31] Interleaved Bit Rate - - (not in use)
[08/23/12 08:35:31] Intr Max Attainable BR - - (not in use)

Thanks again !!

amty823

join:2012-08-27
reply to Smith6612
I want to switch to fastpath. Can someone help?


sashwa
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Alcatraz
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You need to post your Transceiver stats from your modem to see if your line can handle it.


tim_k
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reply to glnz
said by glnz:

; Query ASSIA Data for 11/ARDA/526270//NY/1 (ASSIA)

Having the ARDA circuit ID made it real easy See how it looks.


glnz

join:2006-11-26
New York, NY

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Tim - Got your email.

Many thanks.

My new down stream Margin is 15.7. From Smith's many posts here, I would guess that's good enough and won't set me back. Do you agree?


tim_k
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reply to Smith6612
email sent

NeedFiosNow

join:2011-11-16
Boston, MA
reply to Smith6612
Transceiver Revision 3.3.6.10.0.1
Vendor ID Code 4D54
Line Mode ADSL_2plus
Data Path INTERLEAVED

Transceiver Information Down Stream Path Up Stream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 7839 861
Margin (dB) 7.5 19.8
Line Attenuation (dB) 33.9 15.3
Transmit Power (dBm) 17.2 10.1

leo1121

join:2012-09-11
Brooklyn, NY
reply to Smith6612
Hi, how are you everyone? I'm new here. How can I check the Transceiver and post the result here? I'm experience extreme slow internet connection, only download 1.5mbps.


Smith6612
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For that line I would try to avoid it. The downstream margin is pretty low and it will probably start dropping out unless you can get it to about 12dB solidly. But yet again, it may also hold without any issues.

@leo1121: What modem do you have?

leo1121

join:2012-09-11
Brooklyn, NY
I have Westell Versalink Model 327W. Thanks!

leo1121

join:2012-09-11
Brooklyn, NY
reply to Smith6612
I have Westell Versalink Model 327W. Thanks!

Shadyink13

join:2012-10-25
Silver Spring, MD
reply to Smith6612
Here are my stats!

Transceiver Revision A2pB020b3.d20h
Vendor ID Code 4D54
Line Mode ADSL_G.dmt
Data Path INTERLEAVED

Transceiver Information Down Stream Path Up Stream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 3360 832
Margin (dB) 20.4 10.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 21.0 12.0
Transmit Power (dBm) 8.4 11.9

daro7

join:2012-10-28
College Station, TX
How about this one ?

Thanks for any info

Transceiver Statistics

Transceiver Revision: 7.2.3.0

Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT Mode
Data Path: Interleaved

Transceiver Information Downstream Path Upstream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 2112 704
Margin (dB) 10.5 10.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 50.0 31.5
Transmit Power (dBm) 15.3 11.8

bshampine

join:2010-04-08
Gouverneur, NY
reply to Smith6612
hey smith,

Quick question. I had fastpath added to my line and the verizon direct thread states I have fastpath but my modem settings say fastpath n/a. The modem is a actiontec GT784WNV here is what im seeing...

Broadband Parameter

Status VPI:0

VCI:35

Broadband Mode Setting:ADSL2+

Broadband Negotiated Mode:ADSL2+

Connection Status:CONNECTED

Downstream Speed:1184 Kbps

Upstream Speed:443 Kbps

Retrains:0

Retrain Timer:0 Days, 0H:8M:56S

ATM QoS class:UBR

Near End CRC Errors Interleave:0

Near End CRC Errors Fastpath :N/A

Far End CRC Errors Interleave :0

Far End CRC Errors Fastpath :N/A

30 Minute Near End CRC Interleave :0

30 Minute Near End CRC Fastpath :N/A

30 Minute Far End CRC Interleave :0

30 Minute Far End CRC Fastpath :N/A

Near End RS FEC Interleave :0

Near End RS FEC Fastpath :N/A

Far End RS FEC Interleave :0

Far End RS FEC Fastpath : N/A

30 Minute Near End FEC Interleave :0

30 Minute Near End FEC Fastpath :N/A

30 Minute Far End FEC Interleave :0

30 Minute Far End FEC Fastpath :N/A

30 Minute Discarded Packets Downstream :0

30 Minute Discarded Packets Upstream :0

SNR Downstream :36 dB

SNR Upstream :34 dB

Attenuation Downstream :34 dB

Attenuation Upstream: 22 dB

Power Downstream: 0 dBm

Power Upstream12.6 dBm


Smith6612
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reply to leo1121
You can use the following page to get the statistics: »192.168.1.1/transtat.htm . If that doesn't work, »192.168.1.1/htmlV/transtat.asp should work though that is mainly for the Westell 7500 and newer 6100s. Failing that, visit »192.168.1.1/ and then visit System Monitoring, Advanced Monitors, and then finally, Transceiver Statistics.

@Shadyink13: Your line looks to be OK. Your upstream is slightly off sync however, and I would expect the margin on the upstream to be a bit high for the distance. You could also get a speed upgrade on the downstream if you'd like. 7M shouldn't be completely out of the ballpark.

@daro7: Your line looks like it was optimized. I wouldn't get FastPath on there without a speed reduction and some stability checking (basically, check to see if the line can reliably transfer data over the long term, and can stay online without a drop).

@bshampine: I don't specifically know how that modem reports Interleaved mode, but that almost seems like that is what it is suggesting. To verify, you can try running a traceroute while your line is idle during non-peak hours to see what sort of latency you get. 23+ms latency is often a sign of Interleaving. You should be fine for a higher speed package if you do upgrade, and you are good to go for FastPath as of thus far with those stats.

amraambob5

join:2008-08-18
Oxnard, CA
I sent a message on Connection and got the reply to post my info here.

Trying to get Fastpath

Broadband Parameter Status
VPI: 0
VCI: 35
Broadband Mode Setting: ADSL2+
Broadband Negotiated Mode: ADSL2+
Connection Status: CONNECTED
Downstream Speed: 5667 Kbps
Upstream Speed: 855 Kbps
Retrains: 1
Retrain Timer: 0 Days, 18H:47M:52S
ATM QoS class: UBR
Near End CRC Errors Interleave: 3854
Near End CRC Errors Fastpath : N/A
Far End CRC Errors Interleave : 251
Far End CRC Errors Fastpath : N/A
30 Minute Near End CRC Interleave : 12166
30 Minute Near End CRC Fastpath : N/A
30 Minute Far End CRC Interleave : 0
30 Minute Far End CRC Fastpath : N/A
Near End RS FEC Interleave : 0
Near End RS FEC Fastpath : N/A
Far End RS FEC Interleave : 0
Far End RS FEC Fastpath : N/A
30 Minute Near End FEC Interleave : 60887
30 Minute Near End FEC Fastpath : N/A
30 Minute Far End FEC Interleave : 0
30 Minute Far End FEC Fastpath : N/A
30 Minute Discarded Packets Downstream : 0
30 Minute Discarded Packets Upstream : 0
SNR Downstream : 5 dB
SNR Upstream : 9 dB
Attenuation Downstream : 56 dB
Attenuation Upstream : 31 dB
Power Downstream 19.4 dBm
Power Upstream 12.3 dBm


Smith6612
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I wouldn't do it. You're at 5Mbps already and despite having ADSL2+ you're pretty far out and are holding what would be considered proper sync (though upstream and downstream are slightly lower than it should ideally be). If you'd like Fast, you'll have to decrease the speed unless Verizon can shorten the line.

amraambob5

join:2008-08-18
Oxnard, CA
Thank you will remain with what I have.

Bob


Smith6612
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You're welcome

staticBlende

join:2008-07-26
Brooklyn, NY
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reply to Smith6612
I tried to get my line switched to fastpath by calling verizon but they told me only fios can have fastpath? Was I misinformed? Can I have fastpath with my statistics in the first place? Where do I request for the change in the forums if I can have it changed? Help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you very much.

Transceiver Statistics

Transceiver Revision: 7.2.3.0
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: ADSL2+ Mode
Data Path: Interleaved

Transceiver Information Downstream Path Upstream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 11740 1028
Margin (dB) 11.0 10.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 24.0 13.0
Transmit Power (dBm) 16.5 11.0


Smith6612
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You were misinformed. FiOS doesn't have a need for Interleaving vs FastPath anyways, unless you have the VDSL variant of it. It's a fiber connection and is as close to the source as possible. Your line should be fine for FastPath.

You may want to consider trying the Verizon Direct forum here. I don't know if they still push these changes out since in recent months they have been replying back stating it's "automatic." Interleaved is the default setting Verizon uses now, whereas before it was based on line condition and area.

staticBlende

join:2008-07-26
Brooklyn, NY
Thanks a lot. I really appreciate it. People like you make this forum one of the best on the web.


Smith6612
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You're welcome

staticBlende

join:2008-07-26
Brooklyn, NY
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I haven't checked the verizon direct forums but I called up the verizon high speed internet technical support and from what I could understand they told me that it was undoable on their end. Something about a router at their command center not having the interface to make the switch--at least that's what it sounded like. Oh well. I still appreciated the help. Keep on doing it.


Smith6612
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I wouldn't doubt it if some of the techs (mainly frontline) don't have the ability to push it. Many of them usually have to go to a higher up technician who has the ability to adjust profiles and so on. Of course, I might just be mistaken but from my own experience you're often put on hold for a few minutes while they try to reach another person who can do it.

Either way the new Optimization System Verizon has in place has changed around how they support some things, so that is most likely another factor to consider as well. Before techs could probably just go by and adjust what they needed to adjust, and have since had the tools taken away to do that for the sake of letting the computer system do it.

I don't know personally. Either way, best of luck, and thanks!

streaml1ne

join:2012-11-20
reply to Smith6612
Would like to get FastPath enabled if possible, modem is a Actiontec GT784WNV, here are the stats:

PPP Status
PPP Parameter Status
User Name: Newdsl
PPP Type: PPPoE
LCP State: UP
IPCP State: UP
Authentication Failures: 0
Session Time: 0 Days, 0H:59M:34S
Packets Sent: 12280
Packets Received: 13805

Broadband Status
Broadband Parameter Status
VPI: 0
VCI: 35
Broadband Mode Setting: ADSL2+
Broadband Negotiated Mode: ADSL2+
Connection Status: CONNECTED
Downstream Speed: 11740 Kbps
Upstream Speed: 1149 Kbps
Retrains: 0
Retrain Timer: 0 Days, 4H:7M:3S
ATM QoS class: UBR
Near End CRC Errors Interleave: 0
Near End CRC Errors Fastpath : N/A
Far End CRC Errors Interleave : 4
Far End CRC Errors Fastpath : N/A
30 Minute Near End CRC Interleave : 0
30 Minute Near End CRC Fastpath : N/A
30 Minute Far End CRC Interleave : 0
30 Minute Far End CRC Fastpath : N/A
Near End RS FEC Interleave : 0
Near End RS FEC Fastpath : N/A
Far End RS FEC Interleave : 0
Far End RS FEC Fastpath : N/A
30 Minute Near End FEC Interleave : 16574
30 Minute Near End FEC Fastpath : N/A
30 Minute Far End FEC Interleave : 122
30 Minute Far End FEC Fastpath : N/A
30 Minute Discarded Packets Downstream : 0
30 Minute Discarded Packets Upstream : 0
SNR Downstream : 9 dB
SNR Upstream : 9 dB
Attenuation Downstream : 32 dB
Attenuation Upstream : 16 dB
Power Downstream 0 dBm
Power Upstream 12.5 dBm


Smith6612
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I would avoid FastPath on that line if you wish to keep 10Mbps.

streaml1ne

join:2012-11-20
The line is capped at 8/1 megs anyway, how about at that rate? This is a backup internet connection for me really so I don't mind if the speed dips some. How much of a drop would you anticipate if we switched it? Also, this line was turned up literally yesterday for the first time so I don't know if that makes a difference in the stats.


Smith6612
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I don't believe an intermediate speed exists at least according to how I've seen Verizon provision speeds. The Intermediate speeds usually show up at 3Mbps or lower where lines start to have speed problems at farther distances and such. Never hurts to try but if it's already at a state where you're happy with it, I wouldn't mess with it.

The next speed down from 10Mbps/1Mbps is 7Mbps/768kbps.
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