Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2 in Verizon Online DSL

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:08:31 EDT

Jodokast96 : Yes to Fastpath, no to 7.1. 5.0 may be possible.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:03:19 EDT

anon : Transceiver Revision: 01.00.09.00
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT Mode
Data Path: Interleaved
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 3360 864
Margin (dB) 14.5 14.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 45.5 25.0
Transmit Power (dBm) 16.8 10.8

Am I eligible for fastpath? Would 7.1 work?

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Fri, 20 Nov 2009 06:16:18 EDT

Smith6612 : Your line can have FastPath, though I'm wondering if that's your proper downstream sync or if it's out of sync.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 19 Nov 2009 23:00:29 EDT

Mike35780 : Thanks in advance Smith!

Transceiver Revision: 4.2.0.11
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: ADSL2+ Mode
Data Path: Interleaved
Transceiver Information Down Stream Path Up Stream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 7548 863
Margin (dB) 14.0 16.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 34.5 21.0
Transmit Power (dBm) 20.7 12.0

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Tue, 17 Nov 2009 13:29:23 EDT

rci2990 : thank you smith everything is working great.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Tue, 17 Nov 2009 06:48:42 EDT

Smith6612 : The noise can come from anywhere really. It's usually from the older lines that have degraded or corroded someplace.
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Mon, 16 Nov 2009 20:46:07 EDT

will792 :

said by Smith6612 :

Will, can you plug your DSL modem into your NID? That line won't be going anywhere with margins like those unless the stats improve. If your NID shows better stats (which you can post up here), we can go from there. If not, post up.

No NID. It is an apartment building. For urban environment where does most of the noise come from? Is it from lines (or cross talk b/w the lines) inside the building or Verizon line to the building?

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sun, 15 Nov 2009 23:21:23 EDT

rci2990 : thats just the way office did it.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sun, 15 Nov 2009 22:40:10 EDT

Smith6612 : Oh, ok :P

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sun, 15 Nov 2009 22:21:19 EDT

JohnA :

said by Smith6612 :

Nothing wrong with it JohnA

I didn't say there was anything wrong with it. I questioned unzipping, installing a program, to load it into, ... to read a text file.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sun, 15 Nov 2009 22:01:27 EDT

Smith6612 : That line is good to go for FastPath. Also it worked for me when I installed OpenOffice. Nothing wrong with it JohnA :)
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sun, 15 Nov 2009 20:23:39 EDT

rci2990 : line mode: asdl_g.dmt
data path: interleaved

trans info: down up

dslspeed: 7616 864

margin: 13.1 12.0

line att.: 33.0 20.0

xmit pwr: 19.7 11.9

and the modem is a westell 7500

thanks

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sun, 15 Nov 2009 20:17:54 EDT

rci2990 : it was made in open office 3.1

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sun, 15 Nov 2009 20:13:34 EDT

sashwa : John I can't open the file either. I tried my graphic programs and MS Word. :huh:

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sun, 15 Nov 2009 19:24:31 EDT

JohnA :

said by Smith6612 :

Just need to install OpenOffice Draw to read your file.

I hope you're kidding. This was either text (copy/paste into a post), or a pic (upload as an attachment), which was loaded into an obscure program, converted to a zip, and uploaded as an attachment.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sun, 15 Nov 2009 19:01:40 EDT

rci2990 : i also checked at the nid and the results were the same.i ran new phone wire throughout the house awhile back.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sun, 15 Nov 2009 16:10:36 EDT

Smith6612 : Will, can you plug your DSL modem into your NID? That line won't be going anywhere with margins like those unless the stats improve. If your NID shows better stats (which you can post up here), we can go from there. If not, post up.

@rci2990: I'll post up how your line looks shortly. Just need to install OpenOffice Draw to read your file.
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sun, 15 Nov 2009 09:46:57 EDT

will792 : My Dad would like to upgrade his current 1M/384k service to higher speed. Will his line support 3+ Mbps service?

Transceiver Statistics

Transceiver Revision: 7.2.3.0
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: ADSL2 Mode
Data Path: Interleaved

Transceiver Information Downstream Path Upstream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 1179 447
Margin (dB) 8.5 11.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 58.5 37.5
Transmit Power (dBm) 15.1 10.5

Traffic monitoring stats:
Stats ATM
Packet Information for: PVC 1
MTU 1540
VPI / VCI 0/35

In Errors 0
In Discard Packets 0
In Non-Unicast Packets 0
In Unicast Packets 3297537
In Octets 4004939106

Out Errors 118
Out Discard Packets 1933122
Out Non-Unicast Packets 85
Out Unicast Packets 2137767
Out Octets 342291666

Interface Description PPP

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sat, 14 Nov 2009 15:41:17 EDT

rci2990 : i switched to 7.1 a month or so ago and was wondering about the fast path myself,because i play wow.thanks.

trans.odg.zip 153,889 bytes

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:26:06 EDT

Smith6612 : No problem and enjoy the reduction :)
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:24:50 EDT

JCCCCC : Thank you very much, I'm switching to help reduce latency while I'm gaming online.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:20:00 EDT

Smith6612 : Your line will handle FastPath.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:02:21 EDT

JCCCCC : Just a quick question, is my line good for fast path?

Transceiver Information Down Stream Path Up Stream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 1792 448
Margin (dB) 16.3 22.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 48.0 29.0
Transmit Power (dBm) 12.6 11.9

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:58:40 EDT

Smith6612 : Your line has a bit of packet loss on it. Are you seeing slow speeds at all or were you using your connection while the test was running, or for that matter extreme lag spikes in games? Also, the best way to tell if your line is on Fast or Interleaved is to check your modem Transciever state or in the system log. See if you can get the info from the modem.
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:46:11 EDT

sahenderson1 : I am a gamer and my line test is

»/linequality/nil/2544343

I do not know if my line is Interleave or Fastpath.

Will my line benefit from fastpath upgrade? If so i would like to request it on the forum. Thanks

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Wed, 11 Nov 2009 10:23:20 EDT

Smith6612 : If you want to keep 3Mbps, you can try asking Verizon to give you ADSL2+. It won't help with the upstream margin too much so that will probably remain not synced properly, but it should help the downstream enough to sync it properly and to get FastPath.
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Wed, 11 Nov 2009 00:31:26 EDT

mohjarr : The line mode is ADSL_G.dmt . any advice to improve that ?

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Wed, 11 Nov 2009 00:20:49 EDT

Smith6612 : Your line isn't in the greatest of shape. With high attenuation, low margins and with the line being synced incorrectly, you shouldn't even be running on the 3Mbps profile. Is your line using G.DMT mode or is it using ADSL2 or ADSL2+ mode?
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Wed, 11 Nov 2009 00:11:30 EDT

mohjarr : any hope for me to switch to fastPath ?
I am a gamer and ping is really so important.
here is my details :

Transceiver Information Down Stream Path Up Stream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 3200 608
Margin (dB) 6.3 10.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 62.0 31.5
Transmit Power (dBm) 18.2 11.9

Re: imerik transceiver information

Tue, 10 Nov 2009 15:25:28 EDT

Smith6612 : Your line will take FastPath. If you want, you can also get it upgraded to 1Mbps/384kbps service which should be free if you're paying current rates.
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imerik transceiver information

Tue, 10 Nov 2009 08:15:37 EDT

anon :


Transceiver Information  	Downstream Path  	Upstream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 		864 			160
Margin (dB) 			20.5 			31.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 		38.0 			24.0
Transmit Power (dBm) 		3.4 			11.5

Thanks in advance :)

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 05 Nov 2009 16:30:12 EDT

Smith6612 : It might help. Just keep working with Verizon Direct until the problem is sorted. They have been able to deal with problems like these in the past.
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 05 Nov 2009 12:26:10 EDT

luigi1 : Smith6612, as I already said placing me on a different router hasn't helped. You mentioned being placed on a different route. I suggested this to Verizon Direct. Do you think this might help? Here is my latest line quality test. Thanks for your advice.

»/linequality/c···/2583012

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 05 Nov 2009 06:13:20 EDT

Smith6612 : The margin is a bit low on the downstream for me to suggest it. If you want to give it a shot though, you can.
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 05 Nov 2009 01:19:49 EDT

xaneshx : I recently moved on up to 7.1, how are my numbers? Good enough for FastPath?

Transceiver Revision: 7.2.3.0
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT Mode
Data Path: Interleaved

Transceiver Information
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 7616 864
Margin (dB) 10.5 14.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 31.0 14.5
Transmit Power (dBm) 14.0 11.7

Thanks

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 05 Nov 2009 00:21:13 EDT

luigi1 : They said they put me on a different router but now it is actually worse.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Mon, 02 Nov 2009 15:41:37 EDT

Smith6612 : Yeah, it's a typical issue of Packet Loss. Verizon Direct should be able to move you onto another router or onto another route.
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Mon, 02 Nov 2009 09:54:59 EDT

luigi1 : Smith6612, here is a line quality test. My download speed is down to a crawl today:

»/linequality/nil/2581895

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sun, 01 Nov 2009 21:48:07 EDT

Smith6612 : You can get FastPath on that line. 7.1Mbps will need ADSL2+ on that line however.
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sun, 01 Nov 2009 19:21:00 EDT

anon : can i switch to fastpath and speed upgrade to 7.1
Transceiver Revision: 7.2.3.0
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT Mode
Data Path: Interleaved

Transceiver Information
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 3360 800
Margin (dB) 15.0 10.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 38.0 22.0
Transmit Power (dBm) 9.1 11.9

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sun, 01 Nov 2009 16:24:51 EDT

Smith6612 : What does a line quality test look like by the way? Verizon Direct might just need to move you onto another edge router if that's the problem.
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sun, 01 Nov 2009 15:34:19 EDT

luigi1 : Smith6612, thanks. Right now I'm getting approx. 1000kbps dl and 700kbps ul. I've put up a post in the Verizon Direct forum.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sat, 31 Oct 2009 21:22:25 EDT

Smith6612 : With a line at that speed, you should get 2800kbps download, and at least 700kbps upload. Your line does seem to be pretty long given it's attenuation, so your wire must either be in bad shape, or you're hooked up to a remote or the wiring to the CO is not going the most direct path to you.
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sat, 31 Oct 2009 18:55:53 EDT

luigi1 : Should I be getting a dl speed greater than 2.1 mbps? Upload speed is close to the max. According to Google Maps I am 1.2 miles from the CO. Thanks.

Transceiver Revision: 7.2.3.0
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT Mode
Data Path: Interleaved

Transceiver Information Downstream Path Upstream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 3360 864
Margin (dB) 10.5 11.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 51.5 30.0
Transmit Power (dBm) 18.3 11.8

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 29 Oct 2009 16:19:34 EDT

Jodokast96 : Customer Support is what it is. It's been bad for a while and getting worse, so we know and suggest to avoid it as much as possible. Smith tends to be more optimistic than me when suggesting upgrades are possible. Yes, technically, it may work. That doesn't mean it will be given, and I can't blame Verizon here. While they don't always follow (what seems to be) their own guidelines, giving out speed upgrades that will drop margins below 10 is not a smart business move, and a potential headache for an already poor support staff. I've seen it many times over the years where someone somehow got a speed upgrade they really shouldn't have, and then scream at the world how bad Verizon is because something changed on the line, dropped the margin another dB or two, and now they can't maintain sync. There have been more complaints in the last year than in the rest of my time here from new customers with sync issues because they were provisioned a level or two higher than they should have ever been.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 29 Oct 2009 16:08:10 EDT

matrix92502 : You dont sound too proactive about this..lol.
My gripe is with the quality of customer support. Whats explains your contrasting response with Smith6612's? Are you judging solely off attenuation numbers? Or are you just skimming my posts and jumping to dissent? What say you about my tech support rep's suggestion that it may be possible?

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 29 Oct 2009 16:04:35 EDT

Jodokast96 : Face facts, a speed upgrade is not available to you.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 29 Oct 2009 15:33:52 EDT

matrix92502 : These guys are total nutjobs, i ask them about a speed upgrade and talk about my transeiver stats and they are baffled. They even told me the only change i could make would be to fios...its asinine. They also told me im about 14,000 feet from the central office, should i pursue this lost cause any further? This customer support is really frustrating me...

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 29 Oct 2009 15:11:23 EDT

Smith6612 : The billing department tends to get their info from the telephone side of Verizon. What they're probably seeing is your loop length (which is pretty long according to your attenuation) and based on that length, saying you cannot get it. Tech Support tends to be the side that can lean towards a higher speed given the margins hold up. See if you can get Billing to turn up the speed to 3Mbps with ADSL2+ in the mix.
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 29 Oct 2009 15:06:57 EDT

matrix92502 : I gave a call to the billing department...the discrepancies were hilarious. The first call i was told that i was eligible for an upgrade, but he told me to go to billing. They transferred me there, but the representative i got that time told me that i could not go above 1.5, and was pretty much told to swap to fios. Any explanation for this discrepancy? The lady didnt even tell me the basis as to how they determined whether or not i was eligible, and would like some insight..should i just give up?

P.S. updated trans stats..my margin seems to have suddenly improved a bit.

Transceiver Statistics

Transceiver Revision: 7.2.3.0
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT Mode
Data Path: Fast

Transceiver Information Downstream Path Upstream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 1792 448
Margin (dB) 16.0 18.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 55.5 31.5
Transmit Power (dBm) 16.1 11.9

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Wed, 28 Oct 2009 06:21:20 EDT

Smith6612 : The upstream didn't change it all so it might just be a case with distance involved, but if you want to get FastPath you can get it.
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Wed, 28 Oct 2009 00:33:55 EDT

cap1218 : Thanks for the advice, Smith6612! Ok new stats from NID:

Transceiver Revision: 6.2.0.211
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT Mode
Data Path: Interleaved
Transceiver Information Down Stream Path Up Stream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 3360 832
Margin (dB) 15.5 10.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 43.5 27.0
Transmit Power (dBm) 6.8 11.8

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:16:01 EDT

Smith6612 : It's safe for the most part. The upstream is out of sync (it should be 864kbps) so before you make the switch back to FastPath, can you plug your modem into your NID if at all possible and see if the stats are better there? If not, it should be fine despite the slightly lower upload.
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:43:34 EDT

cap1218 : Hello, after upgrading from 1Mbps to 3Mbps. Verizon removed fastpath. I'm wondering if it's safe to place fastpath again?

Transceiver Revision: 6.2.0.211
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT Mode
Data Path: Interleaved
Transceiver Information Down Stream Path Up Stream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 3360 832
Margin (dB) 14.5 10.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 43.5 27.0
Transmit Power (dBm) 6.8 11.9

Thanks!

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:01:06 EDT

Smith6612 : Pretty much they're saying that would be something to run through Billing with. At the very minimum if they do manage to get 3Mbps working, ADSL2/ADSL2+ should come along with it.

There have been a few cases where I've seen in more rural areas where 3Mbps DSL cannot be given due to a lack of bandwidth in the area. Verizon, I haven't really seen this at all.
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Mon, 26 Oct 2009 12:38:47 EDT

matrix92502 : This is the prompt i got from the verizon direct representative. Is it true that the 3.0 package can simply "not be offered" on my line? Can they not just 3.0 to my house? The rep also said that i am eligible from a technical standpoint. How do these line qualification tools work and do you have an opinion or advice for me when i tackle the phone support line?

Technical Support (including Verizon Direct) does not have access to the database that shows speed package availability. From a technical standpoint, your DSL line could be provisioned for the 3.0 package; however, we do not know if 3.0 is offered or available for your DSL line. All speed upgrades are submitted by our Customer Support Team. Our Customer Support Team has a line qualification tool for this purpose. As such, you should contact our Customer Support team for line qualification information:
Verizon High Speed Customer Support | 8005676789 | Voice Prompt - DSL Billing | 8am-12am Daily EST

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sun, 25 Oct 2009 19:03:28 EDT

Smith6612 : The margin moving around slightly throughout the day is normal. It's simply the modem taking noise readings on the line, and noise does vary slightly as the day goes on. If it's moving around any more than 6dB at a time, that's usually a sign that something is up. In your case, ADSL2+ will help the line out. Given it's length, you'll be cutting it very close though so don't be surprised if when you do get thrown onto the 3Mbps package your line is thrown onto Interleaved mode or your sync is lower than it should be. Normally in that case, I wouldn't suggest getting 3Mbps, especially at attenuation greater than 50dB.

If you do have a NID, can you take the modem to the NID and grab the Transceiver stats from there? It'd let me see if any improvements can be spotted.
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sun, 25 Oct 2009 17:09:53 EDT

matrix92502 : Any chance for me to possibly get bumped to 3.0? (maybe if they switch me to ADSL2+?)

Transceiver Statistics

Transceiver Revision: 7.2.3.0
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT Mode
Data Path: Fast

Transceiver Information Downstream Path Upstream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 1792 448
Margin (dB) 14.0 18.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 55.5 31.5
Transmit Power (dBm) 13.2 11.9

What wierds me out is that the margin fluctuates from 12-14.5. Can this indicate any possible wiring problems? And how should i go about approaching my proposal to get switched to ADSL2+ mode? Any way I could get migrated to a new DSLAM either?

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sat, 24 Oct 2009 22:55:05 EDT

Smith6612 : No problem :)

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sat, 24 Oct 2009 17:52:13 EDT

skurek23 : Thank you very much!

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sat, 24 Oct 2009 15:36:11 EDT

Smith6612 : With those stats, the 7.1Mbps plan is a no-go. However, you can get FastPath. The Verizon Direct forum on this website is where you want to go to get it changed.

»/forum/vzdirect
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sat, 24 Oct 2009 11:49:11 EDT

skurek23 : I posted the following in a new topic, but didn't know if I needed to post it here instead:
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I would like to switch from Interleaved to FastPath. I've had FastPath for the last couple of years or so and a recent change (bundle of service) bumped me to Interleaved. Please, please, please switch me back to FastPath. I don't know how to share my account information privately. Please advise.
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I've been running clean on fastpath, but the following are my stats anyway:
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Transceiver Statistics

Transceiver Revision: 7.2.3.0
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: ADSL2+ Mode
Data Path: Interleaved

Transceiver Information Downstream Path Upstream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 3355 839
Margin (dB) 16.0 14.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 45.5 22.0
Transmit Power (dBm) 19.3 12.0
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Also, is 7M available (or will it eventually be) for me? Please advise.

Any help is much appreciated.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 22 Oct 2009 17:54:41 EDT

Smith6612 : That is really not what happens. Moving from Interleaved to FastPath reduces error checking on the signal in exchange for latency. For FastPath to Interleaved, it increases error checking and latency on the line, and also raises the margin slightly due to a higher error checking ability.. Unless of course I'm mistaken.
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 22 Oct 2009 11:31:20 EDT

emanuelo : So, FastPath essentially separates your upload and dowload stream, instead of weaving them together?

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Tue, 20 Oct 2009 15:26:51 EDT

Smith6612 : Your upstream sync should be at 864kbps instead of 800kbps, but other than that your line can have FastPath.
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Tue, 20 Oct 2009 14:49:06 EDT

Almonide : I've called them up a few months ago about it and always get told they would either "have to send someone out" or "they lack permission to change it." I was on fastpath before and had great pings everywhere (not anymore; I ping 60+ everywhere even places in my own state and it doubles again if it's cross-country - Unacceptable for serious gaming with money on the line). Recent package change put me on interleaved.

Transceiver Revision: 7.2.3.0
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT Mode
Data Path: Interleaved

Transceiver Information Downstream Path Upstream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 3360 800
Margin (dB) 15.0 10.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 31.5 22.0
Transmit Power (dBm) 7.4 11.9

Are these stats good to switch back and how do I go about doing that?

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:15:40 EDT

Smith6612 : Basically means they recommend lowering speed to improve the line quality.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:50:15 EDT

freddesite : Will do. Verizon Direct also said they "recommended change in profile to improve the service." What does that mean?

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:42:13 EDT

Smith6612 : The latency you're getting on that line already shows that you're on Interleaved. If you had FastPath it'd be around 10ms. In this case, I'd suggest moving back to 3Mbps to raise at least the downstream margin.
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:18:10 EDT

freddesite : Is this it?

Tracing route to cnn.com [157.166.226.26]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms 192.168.2.1
2 2 ms 1 ms 1 ms 192.168.1.1
3 25 ms 28 ms 24 ms 10.32.93.1
4 25 ms 25 ms 27 ms ge-5-3-0-0.NY325-CORE-RTR2.verizon-gni.net [130.
81.12.193]
5 25 ms 26 ms 25 ms so-4-0-0-0.NY325-BB-RTR2.verizon-gni.net [130.81
.20.26]
6 25 ms 25 ms 25 ms 0.so-3-2-0.XL4.NYC4.ALTER.NET [152.63.9.249]
7 25 ms 30 ms 30 ms 0.xe-5-1-0.BR2.NYC4.ALTER.NET [152.63.18.9]
8 25 ms 25 ms 48 ms 4.68.110.105
9 31 ms 24 ms 25 ms vlan51.ebr1.NewYork2.Level3.net [4.69.138.222]
10 33 ms 33 ms 33 ms ae-3-3.ebr2.Washington1.Level3.net [4.69.132.89]

11 35 ms 36 ms 46 ms ae-72-72.csw2.Washington1.Level3.net [4.69.134.1
50]
12 57 ms 35 ms 34 ms ae-71-71.ebr1.Washington1.Level3.net [4.69.134.1
33]
13 58 ms 50 ms 54 ms ae-2.ebr3.Atlanta2.Level3.net [4.69.132.85]
14 46 ms 47 ms 46 ms ae-1-51.edge4.Atlanta2.Level3.net [4.68.103.14]

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Trace complete.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 15 Oct 2009 16:39:07 EDT

Smith6612 : Can you post up a trace route to a website? I'm wondering if you may have come across a firmware glitch that someone else here might have reported with Interneaved vs. Fast. Fast itself is technically not more advanced. It basically reduces error checking in exchange for slightly lower margins and lower latency. Interleaved is the opposite, higher margins and latency but more error correction.
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:21:35 EDT

freddesite : This is weird. I asked in the Verizon direct forum if switching from Fastpath to Interleave will help. They said that I already have Interleave and told me to not try and change it because they are trying to move forward with technology. But isn't Fastpath more advanced than Interleave. And the stats for my modem says I am still on Fastpath. Am I missing something?
Transceiver Statistics
Transceiver Revision A2pB020b3.d19d
Vendor ID Code 4D54
Line Mode ADSL_2plus
Data Path FAST

Transceiver Information Down Stream Path Up Stream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 3785 819
Margin (dB) 5.9 9.9
Line Attenuation (dB) 53.5 30.5
Transmit Power (dBm) 17.2 12.4

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:34:27 EDT

Jodokast96 : Interleave will help, but it won't get you anywhere near 5mb.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:44:36 EDT

Smith6612 : FastPath to Interleaved won't cause a massive change, but it will help raise it a little bit. If you want to remove it, go ahead and see if the line improves any. If not, I would honestly move back to 3Mbps.
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:14:20 EDT

freddesite : Its me again. I was the one who was getting 3.1mbps at 5mbps service. Well they ended up saying nothing was wrong and that was on the verizon direct ticket people on this site. So anyway I want to know if I switch to interleaved if my speed will increase. I don't really mind about reaction time or ping but if speed can increase up to like 4-4.5mbps I would change it. So what kind of change would I see if I change to interleaved? This is my stats:
Transceiver Statistics
Transceiver Revision A2pB020b3.d19d
Vendor ID Code 4D54
Line Mode ADSL_2plus
Data Path FAST

Transceiver Information Down Stream Path Up Stream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 3785 819
Margin (dB) 6.3 9.9
Line Attenuation (dB) 53.5 30.5
Transmit Power (dBm) 17.2 12.4

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Wed, 14 Oct 2009 14:52:37 EDT

Smith6612 : That could all be simply based on what is around the wiring that you're going through as well as the quality of the copper outside. You can try things out with the CAT6 cable to see how that works out even though CAT5 should be more than sufficient. Otherwise, you can try asking for ADSL2+ and then posting back to see how the line stats look then. Proper sync rate for the 7.1Mbps is 7616kbps downstream, 864kbps upstream.
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Wed, 14 Oct 2009 11:05:43 EDT

Californio : Okay, I plugged in the modem to the NID and this is what I got:

Westell 7500
Transceiver Revision A2pB020b3.d20h
Vendor ID Code 4D54
Line Mode ADSL_G.dmt
Data Path INTERLEAVED
Transceiver Information Down Stream Path Up Stream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 6816 864
Margin (dB) 5.2 15.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 27.0 12.0
Transmit Power (dBm) 19.8 12.1

The downstream is improved when plugged into the NID, what would cause the slowdown in between the NID? There is at most 30 ft. of CAT5e between the NID and the room where the modem sits.
(I have some CAT6 cables I could run if it's degradation caused by the line I suppose.)

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Wed, 14 Oct 2009 06:20:38 EDT

Smith6612 : Your line should be short enough in itself to handle 7.1Mbps sync. Do you have a NID? The downstream isn't synced properly, but the upstream is. Plug the modem into your NID and post up the stats again. From there, we'll see what changes can be made.
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Wed, 14 Oct 2009 04:44:31 EDT

Californio : A couple of days ago I upgraded from 3.2Mbps to 7.1Mbps, but am not getting all of the speed. What might help to get my speed up to where it should be? Would getting the line mode changed to ADSL2+ help? Can I get FastPath also? Thanks.

Westell 7500
Transceiver Revision A2pB020b3.d20h
Vendor ID Code 4D54
Line Mode ADSL_G.dmt
Data Path INTERLEAVED
Transceiver Information Down Stream Path Up Stream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 5632 864
Margin (dB) 6.6 15.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 28.0 12.0
Transmit Power (dBm) 19.7 12.1

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Mon, 12 Oct 2009 00:52:37 EDT

Smith6612 : Plug your modem into the NID and post up the stats from there. The attenuation is not in a 2:1 ratio (where it typically is on a good line) which might be indicating some bad wiring someplace. The upstream attenuation suggests that the line should be capable of 3Mbps + FastPath.
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Mon, 12 Oct 2009 00:17:10 EDT

Jodokast96 : Your really not good enough for what you have, but if it works.......

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sun, 11 Oct 2009 23:49:15 EDT

netsurfer41 : From reading the posts, I don't think my loop's good for FastPath, but just checking. Is the loop even good for 3Mbps?

Stats are:

Transceiver Revision: 7.1.254
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT-Mode
Data Path: Interleaved
Transceiver Information Down Stream Path Up Stream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 1760 448
Margin (db) 7.0 12.0
Line Attenuation (db) 63.5 18.5
Transmit Power (db/Hz) 13.0 11.0

TIA

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Fri, 09 Oct 2009 23:06:21 EDT

Smith6612 : You can try asking for ADSL2+ to see if Verizon is able to give it to you.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Fri, 09 Oct 2009 21:43:24 EDT

dajedipimp : Yea could just be long line since I'm on the 3rd floor :/

Should I just go ahead and request for ADSL2+ or have verizon try to fix the attenuation and sync?

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Fri, 09 Oct 2009 06:35:53 EDT

Smith6612 : Oh, ok. If the apartments are fairly new and if everything is filtered correctly (and there's nothing such as alarms or communication systems on the line like some apartments have that are unfiltered) then it might just be a long line.
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Fri, 09 Oct 2009 00:14:08 EDT

dajedipimp :

said by Smith6612 :

@dajedipimp: The line has a bit of attenuation on it as well as the upstream being out of sync. If you have a NID, plug your modem into that to see if the stats are any better. If not, we can see if we can get Verizon to move the line to ADSL2+

Not that I've seen since I live in a newer apartment complex or don't have access to :/

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 08 Oct 2009 06:16:34 EDT

Smith6612 : @freddesite: Your margins are too low for FastPath. I did reply to your other thread on your line being out of sync, so we'll see what we can do there first. At the moment though that line should be on Interleaved to get more margin out of it.

@dajedipimp: The line has a bit of attenuation on it as well as the upstream being out of sync. If you have a NID, plug your modem into that to see if the stats are any better. If not, we can see if we can get Verizon to move the line to ADSL2+

@tdavis5432: Your line is good to go for FastPath. Just visit the Verizon Direct forum located on this website to get it switched. Here's the link: »/forum/vzdirect
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 08 Oct 2009 04:03:17 EDT

tdavis5432 : Transceiver Revision: 4.2.0.11
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT Mode
Data Path: Interleaved
Transceiver Information Down Stream Path Up Stream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 3360 864
Margin (dB) 15.5 10.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 34.5 21.0
Transmit Power (dBm) 6.9 11.9

Do I qualify for fastpath? I think i had it before, would really love it again, thanks! Also where do I officially request it? I'm sure I have to give someone who works @verizon my phone number etc right?

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 08 Oct 2009 01:13:16 EDT

dajedipimp : Do I qualify for fastpath??

Transceiver Statistics
Transceiver Revision A2pB020b3.d20h
Vendor ID Code 4D54
Line Mode ADSL_G.dmt
Data Path INTERLEAVED

Transceiver Information Down Stream Path Up Stream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 3360 768
Margin (dB) 10.6 11.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 55.0 31.5
Transmit Power (dBm) 19.3 11.9

Thanks :D

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 08 Oct 2009 01:02:15 EDT

freddesite : Which should mine be?

Transceiver Statistics
Transceiver Revision A2pB020b3.d19d
Vendor ID Code 4D54
Line Mode ADSL_2plus
Data Path FAST

Transceiver Information Down Stream Path Up Stream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 3705 827
Margin (dB) 6.1 9.9
Line Attenuation (dB) 54.0 31.3
Transmit Power (dBm) 17.2 12.4

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Wed, 07 Oct 2009 19:14:36 EDT

Smith6612 : Do you have a post or a copy of your old transceiver stats before the bump up to 7.1Mbps? If your stats were much better, I wonder what may have happened as right now those stats say no go for even 3Mbps service.
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Wed, 07 Oct 2009 16:48:51 EDT

l337m4n : I recently upgraded to the 7.1 but as you can see there was 0 difference from my 3.0 line, if anything it is worse. I don't know why there was no speed change but my quality did go down, usually the speed test won't go over 1800kb before it was at least 2100. It has been up and down and every time i restart the modem it seems to get slower. I see im on the fast path already but i have had no change in pings in the servers i play in. I really think the upgrade was not completed right or my house wring must be that bad, i don't know.

Transceiver Statistics
Transceiver Revision 3.3.2.2.0.1
Vendor ID Code 4D54
Line Mode ADSL_G.dmt
Data Path FAST

Transceiver Information Down Stream Path Up Stream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 2080 832
Margin (dB) 6.0 6.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 56.6 31.5
Transmit Power (dBm) 17.0 11.9

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sun, 04 Oct 2009 22:03:12 EDT

kamakazie2 : Thanks!

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sun, 04 Oct 2009 21:44:34 EDT

Jodokast96 : Fine for Fastpath, and most likely for 7.1 if available (it's not everywhere).

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sun, 04 Oct 2009 21:42:18 EDT

kamakazie2 : Can i make the switch to Fastpath? Also i want to try go get to 7.1 as i am literally down the street from the Verizon Base building....

Transceiver Revision: 7.2.3.0
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT Mode
Data Path: Interleaved

Transceiver Information Downstream Path Upstream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 3360 864
Margin (dB) 20.5 13.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 29.5 18.0
Transmit Power (dBm) 7.3 11.8

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sun, 04 Oct 2009 02:09:54 EDT

Smith6612 : The upstream sync shouldn't change, should be solid. If you do want to have FastPath though you can get it. Just keep an eye on the line, especially the upstream.
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sat, 03 Oct 2009 20:13:50 EDT

nameuser :

said by Smith6612 :

1: FastPath is free.
2: It improves latency, speeds will not improve.
3: You can move back to Interleaved, but Verizon simply is warning you that they won't move you back if you were to ask without really having an issue.
4: Won't happen unless you complain to them about line dropouts.

As for your line, you do qualify but you want to get your upstream fixed up, as it's out of sync. The proper sync rates should be 3360 downstream, and 864 upstream, and the margin should be at or above 10dB. If you have a NID, plug your modem into it to see if the stats are any better.

Thanks Smith6612 for the replay and help.

I didn't know what NID is but i wiki-ed it and guess its a telephone network box. If that is what it is... we have a telephone something up by the roof of our house but I don't know if its a NID or not. Is there another way to check if I can improve my stats?

Update:

I didn't do anything but now it says I have the downstream and upstream you mentioned.

I have a Westell 327w with firmware 4.4.3. Is it common for it to keep changing like that? I think this is the first time I seen it at 864 upstream.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sat, 03 Oct 2009 15:09:08 EDT

Smith6612 : 1: FastPath is free.
2: It improves latency, speeds will not improve.
3: You can move back to Interleaved, but Verizon simply is warning you that they won't move you back if you were to ask without really having an issue.
4: Won't happen unless you complain to them about line dropouts.

As for your line, you do qualify but you want to get your upstream fixed up, as it's out of sync. The proper sync rates should be 3360 downstream, and 864 upstream, and the margin should be at or above 10dB. If you have a NID, plug your modem into it to see if the stats are any better.
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sat, 03 Oct 2009 12:35:01 EDT

nameuser : Hello, I just stumbled on this Fastpath thread and wanted to know if I qualify.


Transceiver Revision:   7.2.3.0
Vendor ID Code:         4
Line Mode:              G.DMT Mode
Data Path:              Interleaved
 
Transceiver Information   Downstream Path   Upstream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec)     3360              736
Margin (dB)               13.5              10.0
Line Attenuation (dB)     30.0              18.0
Transmit Power (dBm)      18.4              11.9

I also did some searching on FastPath on this forum and just wanted to make sure if I got it.

1.) Switching to FastPath is free
2.) FastPath improves latency but speeds won't improve
3.) Once you switch to FastPath you can't switch back to Interleave
4.) They might move you down a tier if you do switch

Is that correct?

Thank You

Re: How bad are these stats?

Mon, 28 Sep 2009 10:00:42 EDT

dms_dc : So, putting the Fastpath question on hold for now, my stats are borderline now that I'm provisioned at 3M. Of course VZ just wants to provision me down to 1.6M (since I'll be paying the same price with the bundle anyway), and I cannot get a straight answer on getting ADSL2:

"Ticket logs does show loop length of over 12K feet pushing the limits for 3M which will result to slowdowns and disconnects. Field technician has verified this with Central Office. They also have indicated ADSL2 may have the reach and diagnostics over extended loop lengths however it will not be helpful considering the numbers acquired from the tests that they have performed. Therefore, findings of both the field technician and CO confirms that lowering your speed package will resolve this line issue."

VZ Direct here has done as much as they can do, and now I have to either call up and just tell them to lower my provision or try to convince someone to actually get me switched to ADSL2. I'm wondering if anyone's actually managed to accomplish that?

I'm guessing that they will not do it even if they can. I asked for an elaboration on the "will not be helpful" response above, and it sounds like it's pretty much up to the central office to do it or not, and of course there's no way apparently to actually ask them anything.

Anyone had any luck actually convincing VZ to put them on ADSL2?

Here are my current stats:

Transceiver Revision: 4.3.0.1
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT Mode
Data Path: Interleaved
Transceiver Information Down Stream Path Up Stream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 2976 768
Margin (dB) 6.5 10.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 53.0 31.5
Transmit Power (dBm) 17.6 11.8

And here are the stats once it's downprovisioned to 1.6 (was done for 24 hours as a test):

Transceiver Revision: 4.3.0.1
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT Mode
Data Path: Interleaved
Transceiver Information Down Stream Path Up Stream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 1792 448
Margin (dB) 15.0 20.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 51.0 31.5
Transmit Power (dBm) 15.7 11.8

Clearly I'm stuck with 1.6 for the same price if VZ can't/won't put me on ADSL2.

Re: How bad are these stats?

Sat, 12 Sep 2009 18:36:31 EDT

Jodokast96 : I wish people would realize that Fastpath is not a fix for any type of issue.

Re: How bad are these stats?

Sat, 12 Sep 2009 13:27:09 EDT

Smith6612 : It can take some time to take care of things when there are a lot of posts and work to deal with. They don't work on the weekends so expect replies only on weekdays.

@marbrand: Under the Data Path part of the transceiver stats you'll see either Fast or Interleaved. You're on Fast so it's already set to FastPath. For poor line speeds, run a line quality test. It might be a sign of an overloaded edge router or a Juniper in the mix.
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Re: How bad are these stats?

Sat, 12 Sep 2009 12:56:37 EDT

marbrand : okay how can you tell if it is fastpath or not? Also been getting really terrible speeds, what should i do. Had a tech out here and he says everything is good to go but still getting crappy dl speeds. UL speeds are constantly in the 750 range.

Re: How bad are these stats?

Sat, 12 Sep 2009 12:52:39 EDT

dms_dc : Thanks. Will do if I get moved. It seems that almost everyone that's posted in VZ Direct since my post has been replied to, and I haven't, so that's not encouraging. We'll see what happens.

Re: How bad are these stats?

Sat, 12 Sep 2009 11:53:31 EDT

Smith6612 : Yup. Once the line is moved to ADSL2+ things should be all fixed up. Post up the new line stats once you've been moved if possible.

@marbrand: Your line is good to go as it's already on FastPath.
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sat, 12 Sep 2009 10:13:21 EDT

marbrand : Just wondering if I should ask for Fastpath here is my numbers

Transceiver Revision: 01.00.09.00
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT Mode
Data Path: Fast
Transceiver Information Down Stream Path Up Stream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 3360 864
Margin (dB) 18.5 14.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 26.5 11.5
Transmit Power (dBm) 7.0 11.0

Re: How bad are these stats?

Thu, 10 Sep 2009 17:56:53 EDT

dms_dc : So I decided to roll the dice, upgrade and see what they can/will do to fix up the line. Here are the new stats inside:

Transceiver Revision: 4.3.0.1
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT Mode
Data Path: Interleaved
Transceiver Information Down Stream Path Up Stream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 2976 768
Margin (dB) 6.5 10.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 53.0 31.5
Transmit Power (dBm) 17.6 11.8

I'm starting out in the VZ Direct forum to see what they can do, if they can do anything about ADSL2+, etc.

We'll see in the meantime if I have connection issues. The last speedtest reported 2037k DS / 625k US / 36ms lat. Still a lot better than what I had a few hours ago!

Thanks.

Re: How bad are these stats?

Mon, 07 Sep 2009 20:43:35 EDT

Smith6612 : Well, the stats didn't change much at the NID so you do have a pretty long line. Now, I'm not saying ADSL2+ will get you 3Mbps, but if it is worth the shot you can try to get it. The margin looks high enough to the point where with ADSL2+ you might just squeeze by. For what I know, the phone reps won't typically be able to help you when you ask for ADSL2+. The Verizon Direct forum here may be able to give it to you though. I don't know how the line will behave, but I found with my modem that when I went from 864kbps to 1164kbps downstream, the margin only went down by a dB or two, and the upstream margin went from 160kbps to 448kbps and lost 6dB margin. My attenuation is 40dB downstream, 22.5dB upstream.
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Re: How bad are these stats?

Mon, 07 Sep 2009 16:18:15 EDT

dms_dc : Thanks. I did the whole modem reset, connect to laptop, and run to NID off my back porch with one phone cord. The stats are essentially the same:

Transceiver Revision: 4.3.0.1
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT Mode
Data Path: Interleaved
Transceiver Information Down Stream Path Up Stream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 864 160
Margin (dB) 18.5 30.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 50.5 31.5
Transmit Power (dBm) 3.1 11.5

So it looks like whatever's causing the DS line attenuation (I assume that's the only real problem) is not in my house.

I guess that leaves me in a quandary - I can either upgrade first and then badger them to fix the line and/or switch to ADSL2+ until I get what I'm paying for or try to get them to fix it and/or switch it first and then upgrade.

As far as I understand, it's pretty impossible to call up and ask for ADSL2+ (even just to see if it's available), right?

Re: How bad are these stats?

Sat, 05 Sep 2009 17:52:00 EDT

Smith6612 : Well by the looks of things, the line won't be getting 3Mbps service without ADSL2+, so you'll have to de-bridge the modem to grab the stats at the NID if the laptop refuses to work with a Static IP. Otherwise the line can get FastPath at it is.
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How bad are these stats?

Sat, 05 Sep 2009 16:41:39 EDT

dms_dc : Hello everyone -

I'm on an old, slow DSL plan, and before I upgrade (to 3M) and try to get switched to Fastpath, I was hoping to get some idea how borderline some of these stats are, esp on the DS side:

Transceiver Revision: 4.3.0.1
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT Mode
Data Path: Interleaved
Transceiver Information Down Stream Path Up Stream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 864 160
Margin (dB) 18.5 28.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 51.0 31.5
Transmit Power (dBm) 3.0 11.7

It's a long ways outside to the NID (up to the 3rd fl, across the attic, back down inside the walls). When I can rouse up long enough phone and ethernet lines, I'll do a test directly into that.

As an aside, I have been unable to convince the Vista laptop to have a temporary static IP just to connect to the Westell in bridged mode so I can test outside. (Since there's no connection to the net, it ignores what I put in and enters a 169... address.) Truly annoying.

Thanks.

Re: Faster?

Thu, 03 Sep 2009 23:37:48 EDT

Smith6612 : Your downstream attenuation does seem pretty high compared to your upstream attenuation, so outside somewhere there is a bad piece of wiring attenuating the signal by the looks of things. The upstream attenuation is nice and low which is why I say this, so if the CAT5 cable is not at fault, your line can handle 3Mbps only if you can lower that attenuation which will raise the margins.
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Faster?

Thu, 03 Sep 2009 22:38:34 EDT

rfc : Any chance for faster service on this line? Modem is directly connected to the NID using ~5 feet of Cat5.

Transceiver Revision: 7.1.254
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT-Mode
Data Path: Interleaved
Transceiver Information Down Stream Path Up Stream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 1792 448
Margin (db) 16.0 12.0
Line Attenuation (db) 57.0 18.5
Transmit Power (db/Hz) 7.0 11.0

Thanks!

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Tue, 01 Sep 2009 13:54:06 EDT

Smith6612 : No problem :) Enjoy the lower latency!

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Mon, 31 Aug 2009 21:25:58 EDT

HarryH3 : Got swapped today. Those 2nd hop ping times have dropped from 26 to 9ms. Not too shabby. :)

SNR Margin (Downstream/Upstream): dropeped from 25/24 to 23/23. Attenuation remains at 27/14, just as before the change. :)

Thanks for the help! :)

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Mon, 31 Aug 2009 11:18:04 EDT

Smith6612 : If you have a NID, you can see if you can raise the upstream a little bit by plugging the modem into the test jack. It sounds like you're already having problems with the upstream, so I think it would be best if we fixed that up. The proper speed should be 864kbps on the upstream and the margin should be at or above 10dB.
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Mon, 31 Aug 2009 10:47:39 EDT

GreyWhyte : These are my current modem stats:

Transceiver Statistics
Transceiver Revision A2pB020b3.d20h
Vendor ID Code 4D54
Line Mode ADSL_G.dmt
Data Path FAST

Transceiver Information Down Stream Path Up Stream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 3360 800
Margin (dB) 17.7 10.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 38.0 28.0
Transmit Power (dBm) 8.9 11.9

This is a question concerning my upstream stats specifically. When I requested for fastpath, I mentioned that my upstream looks to be out of sync and I got the following reply:

"Our line test does show upstream bitrate set at 800kpbs which is set by reason to correspond with the download
this is because downloading requires a certain percentage of available upstream to perform."

My upstream stats have NOT changed since I first got the 3/768 package or switched to fastpath. I always connect at the same levels. The margin may fall from 10.0 to 9.0 when I do a hard reset but that is rare and I really can't maintain the DSL connection until the margin is 10.0. I do use a surge protector and that has caused the line attenuation to go up from 27.0 to 28.0.

Should I go back and plead a case for syncing up my upstream or no?

ANY input would be appreciated...Thank YOU!!

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Fri, 28 Aug 2009 12:57:41 EDT

HarryH3 : Headed there now.

Thanks!!! :)

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Fri, 28 Aug 2009 12:13:15 EDT

Smith6612 : You're on Interleaved mode as suggested by the 2nd hop latency. Visit the Verizon Direct forum on this website and ask them to change the line to FastPath mode.
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Fri, 28 Aug 2009 08:41:02 EDT

HarryH3 : Here are the results:

Tracing route to nyc.speakeasy.net [216.254.95.2]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 * * * Request timed out.
2 26 ms 24 ms 24 ms L100.AUSTTX-DSL-01.verizon-gni.net [71.114.224.1
]
3 35 ms 35 ms 35 ms at-6-0-0-1710.DFW01-CORE-RTR1.verizon-gni.net [1
30.81.36.56]
4 35 ms 35 ms 35 ms as0-0.DFW01-BB-RTR1.verizon-gni.net [130.81.20.6
0]
5 37 ms 37 ms 37 ms 0.ge-2-3-0.XL3.DFW7.ALTER.NET [152.63.1.18]
6 37 ms 37 ms 36 ms 0.ge-6-0-0.BR2.DFW13.ALTER.NET [152.63.96.181]
7 39 ms 39 ms 38 ms te-5-2-0.edge2.Dallas3.level3.net [4.68.111.173]

8 41 ms 37 ms 37 ms ae-72-70.ebr2.Dallas1.Level3.net [4.69.145.115]

9 79 ms 90 ms 89 ms ae-3.ebr4.NewYork1.Level3.net [4.69.137.122]
10 87 ms 90 ms 89 ms ae-74-74.csw2.NewYork1.Level3.net [4.69.134.118]

11 77 ms 77 ms 76 ms ge-9-0.ipcolo2.NewYork1.Level3.net [4.68.97.46]

12 87 ms 76 ms 77 ms 166.90.136.34
13 77 ms 77 ms 77 ms dns.nyc1.speakeasy.net [216.254.95.2]

Trace complete.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Fri, 28 Aug 2009 03:46:27 EDT

Smith6612 : Open up command prompt and type in the following. This will trace a server in New York City

tracert nyc.speakeasy.net

Post the results of the trace. That'll be all I need to determine that.
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 27 Aug 2009 23:27:56 EDT

HarryH3 : I have the Actiontec GT704WG modem/router and I don't see a "Data Path" field anywhere. How can I tell what my line is set for? My son likes playing online games and whines about the high ping times he sees in the game stats.

Here are some stats from the modem:

DSL Mode Setting: MMODE
DSL Negotiated Mode: G.DMT
Speed (Downstream/Upstream): 1184/448
SNR Margin (Downstream/Upstream): 25/24
Attenuation (Downstream/Upstream): 27/14

Can I make his game play better by getting FastPath?

Thanks!

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Wed, 19 Aug 2009 22:17:14 EDT

Smith6612 : Verizon doesn't market ADSL2+ directly, but if you are placed onto a newer card and your modem and the DSLAM port supports it, ADSL2 or ADSL2+ will be used. You can request for it in the Verizon Direct forum as well.
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Wed, 19 Aug 2009 20:48:15 EDT

XknightHawkX : I didn't know Verizon had ADSL2+. I have no clue about getting it if they do. I am on a dry loop. But thanks for the answer. I'll go to Verizon Direct forum and see about getting it set to fast path.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Wed, 19 Aug 2009 20:04:52 EDT

Smith6612 : You can get FastPath as there is enough margin left to take FastPath. As for 3Mbps, no as your line is too long to take it without adding ADSL2+ to the line.
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Wed, 19 Aug 2009 19:52:09 EDT

XknightHawkX : I asked for fast path once and they told me no. When I signed up they said I qualified for 1.5/384 but got the 768/128 services being told I didn't qualified. Went round and round with Verizon and finally got the 1.5/384. Would like the 3 package. Anyway are they right that I can't get fast path?

Transceiver Revision: 7.2.3.0
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT Mode
Data Path: Interleaved

Transceiver Information Downstream Path Upstream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 1792 448
Margin (dB) 13.5 22.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 53.5 31.5
Transmit Power (dBm) 11.5 11.9

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Wed, 19 Aug 2009 15:35:21 EDT

Smith6612 : Your line qualifies for FastPath. You can also get the line upgraded to 1Mbps/384kbps as well for free if you're paying the current prices. If you do want the speed boost, call in for the speed boost to Verizon Billing, and then request FastPath in the Verizon Direct forum.

EDIT: I see that you just got moved from a Frame Relay to the ATM network. If your attenuation stays stable and the margin stays above 16dB for the most part, a speed boost and FastPath will be just fine.
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Wed, 19 Aug 2009 11:08:34 EDT

kd4gij : Verizon suposibly upgraded my line does this qulify

Transceiver Statistics

Transceiver Revision: 7.2.3.0
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT Mode
Data Path: Interleaved

Transceiver Information Downstream Path Upstream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 864 160
Margin (dB) 16.5 31.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 51.5 28.5
Transmit Power (dBm) 3.1 11.4

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sat, 08 Aug 2009 12:43:19 EDT

Smith6612 : 7.1Mbps is via DSL. That's the highest Verizon will provision anyone for DSL, regardless of line length, quality, or ADSL2+ status (some lines may be good to go for 10Mbps). Your line still looks pretty good, as the line degrading I don't think happened. It's normal for the attenuation to move up or down 1-2dB whenever it syncs, but if it keeps increasing slowly over time like my Verizon line's attenuation is doing, something is not right. Margins are also dependent on how the line is as well.

Speaking of increasing attenuation, I think in my case, there might be some wierd phantom load on my line, something wrong with the remote down the street again with my line, or a faulty device in my home. Some of my phones have voltage problems when two or more phones are picking up, where audio fails to transmit despite clear audio coming in and we sometimes get random rings that wind up to dial-tone or a silent line, or sometimes when hanging up the phone the call will not disconnect or the phones will ring again. Ever since these things started, my DSL line's attenuation has slowly increased. It went from 40.5dB up to 46dB where it is now. Also to point out, my line isn't crystal clear like I hear on the Frontier phone line. The Verizon line on some of my telco powered phones have a fairly loud electrical buzzing (it's not that loud, though I certainly notice it and it sounds like electrical interference, rather than degraded line buzzing) that seems to vary based on power usage in my area, the same buzzing you'd normally hear on very, very long phone lines packed with load coils over old copper, high power influence? It doesn't bother the DSL but I think that something is up with my copper loop. Oh well, when stuff hits the fan Verizon will find out about it.
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sat, 08 Aug 2009 11:08:45 EDT

glnz : Mr. Smith: First, thanks for your edit above. Second, I've just had to fix a third phone line in my apt., and I now see a very slight degradation to my stats.

A few days ago, I was at the following:
Transceiver Information Down Stream Path Up Stream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 3359 863
Margin (dB) 18.1 16.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 32.5 16.6
Transmit Power (dBm) 6.8 12.4

Now, I have this:
Transceiver Information Down Stream Path Up Stream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 3359 863
Margin (dB) 17.1 16.4
Line Attenuation (dB) 33.0 16.9
Transmit Power (dBm) 7.3 12.4

Things still looking good?

By the way, what is the 7.1 Mbps download you and a few others have mentioned? Is that FIOS or something in between my DSL and FIOS? I'm on the upper west side of Manhattan, NYC - does Verizon have a 7.1 Mbps download service in my area, and is my line good enough?

Thanks again.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Fri, 07 Aug 2009 23:31:07 EDT

Smith6612 : Well, I first got DSL (which is my first high speed connection here) 4 years ago, and I got FastPath automatically as I said. Three of my neighbors who got Verizon DSL around the same time as me, even last year are all on FastPath as well. The phone technicians may still not know what to do as you're asking a question not asked very often, which usually only people who come across threads like this, are technically savvy, or are shifting through their Transceiver stats/pings will ask about. The general population of DSL users of Verizon I'm sure don't really know about Interleaves vs. FastPath anyways. But the Verizon Direct forum on this site won't give you any problems. Just follow what information they need, accept the warning they'll give you, and they'll turn it right on for you.

For a matter of fact, anyone who is coming out of a remote/central office, whether it's Verizon or Frontier in my area is on FastPath if and only if their line can take it. Those who can barely maintain sync or are on some of the 60+ year old copper in my area are on Interleaved (except in the case of the 60 year old copper, where if your line is seriously not degraded enough to kill the DSL, will be on FastPath). So Verizon/Frontier basically choose the best mode for you based on line stats and how good they believe your copper line is and it's length, and you can request a mode change.
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Fri, 07 Aug 2009 23:24:01 EDT

marshalla : Excellent, and thanks again! So from what you're saying, I take it that they now actually TRY to do FastPath as a matter of course, instead of always setting Interleaved and waiting for the smarty-pantses to bug them about changing it?

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Fri, 07 Aug 2009 23:17:01 EDT

Smith6612 : I'm not sure if getting Business DSL does give you better or higher priority support. Really, I know that my line was put onto FastPath when I got it, and that was because my line had plenty of headroom on it. When it comes down to it, if after they upgrade you they see that the line is stable and holding at a good SNR (margin), they should switch the line to FastPath. The easiest way though, is right on this website, via the Verizon Direct forum. They can turn that on within minutes for you.
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Fri, 07 Aug 2009 22:56:51 EDT

marshalla : Wonderful. Thanks. BTW, all these years later, is there a new and evolved (perfected?) way of requesting Fast? I went through hell getting it a year ago--bouncing from Bangalore to Buffalo and three tiers of tech right up to a guy in NOC.

Will having business-level tech support streamline this?

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Fri, 07 Aug 2009 22:49:25 EDT

Smith6612 : Yes the line is good for Fast. No worries in it at all. Otherwise, it's not too uncommon to see Verizon do things early. Many people have seen Verizon activate lines days before activation dates and turn up speeds before the expected turn up date. As far as FiOS is concerned, you'd have to ask in the FiOS forum as I wouldn't know that answer. But don't feel bad, I've been waiting just as long for FiOS and they still have a year or two to go before they even get to my home.
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Fri, 07 Aug 2009 22:30:19 EDT

marshalla : Yes.. The CO is practically next door. A little birdy tells me they're NOT doing a general changeover there to 7.1--Is this to contain the gold outflow for anything that ain't Fios?

And any word on how that rollout is going or Manhattan? I've been waiting four years!

As for why I'm getting sorta-kinda 7.1 a few days early: Is this normal? I always thought it's either/or. Or are there several steps to the provisioning/upgrade?

Thanks, again!

(Oh.. and the numbers are, in your judgment, truly comfy enough to try Fast?)

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Fri, 07 Aug 2009 22:21:46 EDT

Smith6612 : @kd4gij: Your attenuation is high and the margin is starting to get a little low. Really, I'd say that if you want to try it, you can, but I wouldn't suggest it. If you had ADSL2+ on the line, it would help you get FastPath better by raising margins a little bit.

@marshalla: Your line is pretty short, remote/CO should be about a mile from you. Your line is good to go for FastPath, though if the ready date is 8/11 I'd say wait until that date passes to see if Interleaved goes away.
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Fri, 07 Aug 2009 21:15:26 EDT

marshalla : You know the question-- I'm at 7.1 now, newly provisioned, having gone from 3 and FastPath to 7.1 Interleaved. Dunno if they're actually done provisioning the line. The start date's 8/11, but I'm already reporting 7.1 as the connection and 7.1 downloads from certain servers.. Soooooooooo, are the following stats qood, marginal or bad for FastPath?

Heck, are they good, marginal or bad for ANY 7.1? The rest of my CO is NOT provisioned for 7.1.. I had to switch to Business to get it. Actually surprised they did.

Transceiver Revision: 01.00.09.00
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT Mode
Data Path: Interleaved
Transceiver Information Down Stream Path Up Stream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 7616 864
Margin (dB) 15.5 12.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 16.5 7.5
Transmit Power (dBm) 16.8 10.5

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Fri, 07 Aug 2009 11:12:35 EDT

kd4gij : Does my line qulify for faster speeds

Transceiver Revision: 1.0.9.0
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT Mode
Data Path: Interleaved
Transceiver Information Down Stream Path Up Stream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 864 160
Margin (dB) 12.0 28.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 63.5 31.5
Transmit Power (dBm) 16.0 10.5

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 06 Aug 2009 23:17:46 EDT

Smith6612 : Before you go, check my edit.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 06 Aug 2009 23:16:30 EDT

glnz : Thanks Mr. Smith. Over and out.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 06 Aug 2009 23:15:06 EDT

Smith6612 : Really, you're getting as much as you're going to get out of the line from the way Verizon is provisioning you. If you can test roughly 2800kbps download and around 720kbps upload to both a New York City speed test and a Seattle server, you're good to go. One thing you can do though, is if you can convince Verizon to bump up your provisioning to something such as 3740kbps on the downstream for your modem, you should pull 3100-3200kbps on a speed test. My FrontierNet line is synced and provisioned at 3740kbps on the downstream and it routinely tests at 3218kbps for the download. The line is set at 448kbps for the upload (same as the Verizon line) so it hits 390kbps, and both of my lines run FastPath. Unfortunately, the more you increase speed, the more overhead you get, which is why I say ask Verizon if you can turn up your sync slightly.
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 06 Aug 2009 23:12:54 EDT

glnz : Just out of curiosity - I'm paying $30 per month for my 3Mbps down and 700+ kbps up on Verizon DSL. Is that decent, or is there a program that will give me better speed for the same $?

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 06 Aug 2009 23:09:45 EDT

Smith6612 : No problem. I believe two years ago was back when Verizon was having problems with overloading their edge routers and bandwidth in NYC. Seems to be much better there now as the NYC thread isn't as busy.
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 06 Aug 2009 23:08:36 EDT

glnz : Thanks for good news. Hope it's not boring. You have a great forum here, and it was super helpful 2 years ago when I was having heavy problems.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 06 Aug 2009 23:07:16 EDT

Smith6612 : Ping is latency, yes it is. But I see you're pinging 10 and less to NYC servers, so your line is just fine.
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 06 Aug 2009 23:06:46 EDT

glnz : The speedtest said Ping 17ms - is that the latency?

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 06 Aug 2009 23:05:32 EDT

Smith6612 : the 1 1 ms is your modem. Your latency is found at the bottom of the trace route before it ends. Also ping nyc.speakeasy.net will tell you the ping straight out forward.

EDIT: So your ping to the server is 9-10ms. Right where it normally is for DSL with FastPath for NYC servers in NYC :)
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 06 Aug 2009 23:05:27 EDT

glnz : Sorry - here's the full paste --

Tracing route to nyc.speakeasy.net [216.254.95.2]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms dslrouter.westell.com [192.168.1.1]
2 9 ms 8 ms 8 ms 10.32.113.1
3 8 ms 8 ms 8 ms P6-0-1.NYCMNY-LCR-10.verizon-gni.net [130.81.136.196]
4 9 ms 8 ms 9 ms so-5-3-0-0.NY5030-BB-RTR2.verizon-gni.net [130.81.29.238]
5 10 ms 10 ms 11 ms 0.ge-1-1-0.XL4.NYC4.ALTER.NET [152.63.10.53]
6 18 ms 10 ms 10 ms 0.xe-7-1-0.BR2.NYC4.ALTER.NET [152.63.3.170]
7 11 ms 10 ms 9 ms xe-10-2-0.edge2.NewYork2.level3.net [4.68.110.233]
8 10 ms 10 ms 11 ms vlan52.ebr2.NewYork2.Level3.net [4.69.138.254]
9 15 ms 10 ms 9 ms ae-6-6.ebr4.NewYork1.Level3.net [4.69.141.21]
10 15 ms 19 ms 17 ms ae-64-64.csw1.NewYork1.Level3.net [4.69.134.114]
11 39 ms 22 ms 10 ms ge-9-0.ipcolo2.NewYork1.Level3.net [4.68.97.46]
12 11 ms 76 ms 18 ms 166.90.136.34
13 9 ms 9 ms 10 ms dns.nyc1.speakeasy.net [216.254.95.2]

Trace complete.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 06 Aug 2009 23:03:46 EDT

glnz : Thanks - I got this - looks pretty fast except maybe for line 11. Didn't realize that other Ookla test was Seattle.

Tracing route to nyc.speakeasy.net [216.254.95.2]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 1 ms

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:58:53 EDT

Smith6612 : Open up command prompt and type in the following:

tracert nyc.speakeasy.net

Press Enter and you'll see your latency to a server right near by you.

EDIT: If tracert shows all stars, try ping nyc.speakeasy.net
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:57:23 EDT

glnz : Woo - Seattle! How may I test latency close to me, in NY, NY?

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:56:09 EDT

Smith6612 : Well, considering their server is in Seattle, Washington that is right where it should be. My latency is 99ms to that server, going from Buffalo to NYC, to Washington (taking me to NYC adds ~10ms of latency to my line).
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:28:01 EDT

glnz : I'm testing to
»demo.ookla.com/linequality/

Is 93ms latency OK or too long?

Thanks.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 06 Aug 2009 21:52:23 EDT

sashwa : New duck tape added, sir. :D

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 06 Aug 2009 21:34:41 EDT

Smith6612 : What server are you testing to? If it's not a Speedtest.net server can you send me the site address to where the server is?

@sashwa: Stickey failed again :P We need more Duck Tape!
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 06 Aug 2009 19:08:59 EDT

anon : Mr. Smith: Apologies for the double post. It's been a while since I visited, and two years ago this forum was very helpful in my actually getting from Verizon the 2.8 Mbps download I was paying for.

Follow-up question: The Ookla and Speakeasy tests show exactly what you predict - about 2.8Mbps download. Ookla is showing latency of 93 ms all the time. Is that good or bad?

Thanks again.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 06 Aug 2009 17:21:02 EDT

Smith6612 : Looks like you double posted as an anon. I answered your question already above :)

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 06 Aug 2009 17:14:53 EDT

anon : Mr. Smith: I have Verizon DSL at home on the upper west side of Manhattan. Here are my transceiver statistics. Do I already have FastPath? If yes, should I see higher speeds? Thanks.

Transceiver Statistics
Transceiver Revision A2pB020b3.d19d
Vendor ID Code 4D54
Line Mode ADSL_2plus
Data Path FAST

Transceiver Information Down Stream Path Up Stream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 3359 863
Margin (dB) 18.1 16.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 32.5 16.6
Transmit Power (dBm) 6.8 12.4

glnz

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 06 Aug 2009 17:13:42 EDT

Smith6612 : Yes, you already have FastPath. FastPath doesn't really make speeds higher. In some cases you might see the addition of a few kilobits, but nothing major. All FastPath does is lower line latency in exchange for lower error correction on the line. But if you are wondering if you can get higher speeds, your line should handle 7.1Mbps without issues. If you're not seeing around 340KB/s on your downloads and 88KB/s on your uploads, there might be another thing going on. Your speed tests should always come around 2800kbps download and 720kbps upload.
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 06 Aug 2009 16:45:52 EDT

glnz : Mr. Smith: I have Verizon DSL at home on the upper west side of Manhattan. Here are my transceiver statistics. Do I already have Fast Path? If yes, should I see higher speeds? Thanks.

Transceiver Statistics
Transceiver Revision A2pB020b3.d19d
Vendor ID Code 4D54
Line Mode ADSL_2plus
Data Path FAST

Transceiver Information Down Stream Path Up Stream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 3359 863
Margin (dB) 18.1 16.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 32.5 16.6
Transmit Power (dBm) 6.8 12.4

glnz

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 06 Aug 2009 12:41:09 EDT

Smith6612 : Yes you can get FastPath. You can also call up Verizon and ask them to boost your speed to 1Mbps/384kbps for free as well.
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 06 Aug 2009 03:23:53 EDT

itdbclose : Is FastPath right for me?

Transceiver Revision: 7.2.3.0
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: ADSL2+ Mode
Data Path: Interleaved

Transceiver Information Downstream Path Upstream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 861 153
Margin (dB) 17.0 34.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 52.0 31.0
Transmit Power (dBm) 16.0 11.7

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Tue, 04 Aug 2009 18:51:03 EDT

Smith6612 : What makes you say that? The line stats look great and all, but wouldn't attenuation be at 0-2dB? :D
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Tue, 04 Aug 2009 17:11:19 EDT

Jodokast96 : Jesus, do you live in the CO?

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Tue, 04 Aug 2009 02:05:10 EDT

Smith6612 : That line looks good to go!

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Mon, 03 Aug 2009 23:15:21 EDT

jrod019 : How do these stats look for fastpath?

Transceiver Revision A2pB020b3.d20h
Vendor ID Code 4D54
Line Mode ADSL_G.dmt
Data Path INTERLEAVED

Transceiver Information Down Up
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 7616 864
Margin (dB) 14.3 12.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 29.0 16.0
Transmit Power (dBm) 19.6 11.9

Thanks.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sun, 02 Aug 2009 20:18:48 EDT

Smith6612 : The change they did probably involved lowering your speed which will not fix this one bit. Really, if you want to get this fixed, you should tell Voice Repair that you are getting Intermittent Static. They should then move you onto a new copper pair. Calling Verizon Online up for low margin/loss of signal/slow speeds will simply get your line speed lowered even more, eventually to the point where they will refuse to sell you a higher service, even if your line does take it.
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sun, 02 Aug 2009 18:42:45 EDT

sbofen : If its out of sync, then this is an issue for Verizon, I'm assuming??

I called them, they changed something on my profile...
Looks like for the worse:

Transceiver Revision: 7.2.3.0
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: ADSL2+ Mode
Data Path: Interleaved

Transceiver Information Downstream Path Upstream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 154 447
Margin (dB) 12.0 20.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 47.5 36.0
Transmit Power (dBm) 10.4 12.1

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sun, 02 Aug 2009 18:06:04 EDT

Smith6612 : DSL works out of the same wires that voice service does, no need for another wire pair to use DSL unless a second DSL line is needed.
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sun, 02 Aug 2009 11:49:26 EDT

sbofen : Just unpacked a spare phone (we only use cell phones)..

Nope.. no noise on the line - at least from what I can hear
edit:
I do have a dialtone, that was part of the package deal.
I have no idea why I signed up for it other than that reason

2nd edit:
Just curious, from the outside line they have the blue twisted pair for voice (pots line) and orange designated as my dsl.
Voice:Green (tip? I think its been years) going inside as White-Blue and Red (voice? dunno) going inside as blue-white

dsl:Green going inside as white-orange and Red going as orange-white..

Not to confuse anything (I know I am lost now), but my DSL jack, when I remove it from the wall, has only the blue twisted connected..... Again, I'm in an apartment, maybe there was some wiring screwup... Maybe you don't need dsl lines to get DSL - I'm new to this... but I would think at least set the orange twisted pair under yellow and black in the walljack?

Maybe not, maybe I'm just frustrated, but I find it odd that it works with just Voice twisted pair connected.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sun, 02 Aug 2009 11:06:07 EDT

Smith6612 : Line sync is lower with the same margin, however attenuation did fall a little bit. If you have voice service on your phone line, do you happen to hear any static, humming, or any other noise on the line?
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sun, 02 Aug 2009 10:45:32 EDT

sbofen : Ok, my modem and wireless are out on the lawn... :p

Connected directly to the outside box, here is the info:

Transceiver Revision: 7.2.3.0
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: ADSL2+ Mode
Data Path: Interleaved

Transceiver Information Downstream Path Upstream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 323 447
Margin (dB) 7.0 22.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 49.0 35.5
Transmit Power (dBm) 13.0 11.9

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sun, 02 Aug 2009 08:54:28 EDT

sbofen : I'm sorry, complete newb - an NID? Do you mean the box outside?

All I know is I've gone 2 months round and round with Verizon, and they said both my modems were bad and I'm on my 3rd one now. They also said I had a bad filter outside they replaced, and now the only thing left was for them to run a new wire from outside the building to my apartment. Not really looking forward to spending another $95 for them to come out and tell me there's something else wrong with my outlet.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sun, 02 Aug 2009 00:41:35 EDT

Smith6612 : Your line isn't even synced properly, and margin on the downstream is low. If you have a NID, plug your modem into the NI and pull the line stats again and post them up.
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sat, 01 Aug 2009 23:59:16 EDT

sbofen : Would I qualify for FastPath?

Transceiver Revision: 7.2.3.0
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: ADSL2+ Mode
Data Path: Interleaved

Transceiver Information Downstream Path Upstream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 679 447
Margin (dB) 7.0 22.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 50.5 35.5
Transmit Power (dBm) 14.0 11.9

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 30 Jul 2009 17:24:18 EDT

Smith6612 : More Ducktape!

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 30 Jul 2009 17:20:25 EDT

sashwa : All stickied again. Maybe I need to use ducktape rather than crazy glue. :D

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 30 Jul 2009 17:11:23 EDT

Smith6612 : @Gader: Those stats do look a lot better. The attenuation dropped off a bit, and your upstream sync went up a bit. It's still not fully synced at where it should be at 864kbps, but the line is pretty much good to go for FastPath. If you can, see if you can get the upstream fully synced at 864kbps. That'll guarantee you that the line will remain stable with FastPath.

But simply said, I can tell you what each of these values mean.

DSL Speed is obvious, it shows your modem's max connection rate. You won't see this full speed in speed tests due to overhead that is associated with networking, and PPPoE/ATM.

The margin is a measure of the Signal to Noise ratio. Higher is better, and a margin of 10dB and greater is suggested. You do not want to have a margin lower than 6dB on the downstream, and a margin lower than 10dB on the upstream. It is a factor of Attenuation vs. Line Quality vs. Speed.

Attenuation shows how degraded the signal is from/to the DSLAM to/from your modem. Lower attenuation is better. Attenuation is a factor of wire gauge, wire quality, as well as wire length. Normally, a good line will indicate an upstream attenuation that is half of the downstream attenuation.

Transmit power simply shows how much power the modem or the DSLAM has to use in order to communicate. I believe with DSL, the max transmit power that you can use at least from the way Verizon has things set up would be 20dBm. Transmit power is based on your line quality and length, and is also based on what speeds you have, and also how the DSLAM is set up. Lower power generally suggests a better quality line, but this can be affected by anything, and it can be modified so it's not something to trust on for guessing wire quality.

Hope this helps.

@paazel: Your line is good to go. You can take 7.1Mbps on that line as well should you ask. To switch to FastPath, visit the Verizon Direct forum on this website. Post up a request in there, and follow anything that the Verizon reps ask you for.

@sashwa: Looks like this got de-stickied again!
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 30 Jul 2009 15:26:59 EDT

paazel : Transceiver Revision: 7.2.3.0
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT Mode
Data Path: Interleaved

DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 3360 864
Margin (dB) 20.0 12.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 26.0 17.0
Transmit Power (dBm) 7.6 11.9

Is it possible for me to switch to fast path? Which forum/topic?

Thanks!

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 30 Jul 2009 13:47:12 EDT

anon : Ok, just cleaned up the lines in the house as I never really got a chance to look at them when we moved in last summer :/ I think these look much better (but I have no idea how to read into them!):

DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 3360 736
Margin (dB) 16.0 10.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 33.5 17.0
Transmit Power (dBm) 9.4 11.9

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 30 Jul 2009 12:24:06 EDT

Smith6612 : Your downstream margin gives the good to go, however I wouldn't go for it since the upstream margin is low, and the upstream is out of sync and having an out of ratio upstream attenuation (should be half or near half of the downstream). If you know where the demarcation point is that connects your home's copper wiring to Verizon's copper, or you have a NID, plug the modem into that demarcation/NID and post up the stats again. If things look better at the demarcation point, we can get this low sync problem fixed up, and then you can get FastPath.
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 30 Jul 2009 10:32:21 EDT

anon : Here are my stats. Please let me know if Fastpath would work. Thanks!

DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 3360 480
Margin (dB) 13.5 9.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 45.0 31.5
Transmit Power (dBm) 18.0 11.9

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Tue, 28 Jul 2009 12:04:45 EDT

Smith6612 : I don't see much going on with that line that may be indicating poor quality. I did notice on the most recent part of the log, the downstream and upstream sync margins did fall a little so there may be a little bit of noise coming in. Otherwise, if you want to get FastPath, you can get it.
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Tue, 28 Jul 2009 09:54:41 EDT

allquixotic : Attached...

»pastebin.com/m34520087 in case the attachment didn't work

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Tue, 28 Jul 2009 09:29:05 EDT

Smith6612 : Your transmit power is maxed on the line, but it should take FastPath. Could you post up your modem logs in a .txt file via an attachment on this site for someone to look at before you ask for FastPath?
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Tue, 28 Jul 2009 04:39:28 EDT

allquixotic : Hi,

Here are my transceiver stats:

Line Mode: ADSL2+ Mode
Data Path: Interleaved

Transceiver Information Downstream Path Upstream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 5883 863
Margin (dB) 19.0 16.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 44.5 23.0
Transmit Power (dBm) 19.3 12.1

I have a Westell D90-327W15-06. Unfortunately, the "DSL Link" status on 192.168.1.1 frequently goes to "Not Connected" (about 9 times a day - just enough to frequently interrupt my work but not often enough that you can sit there and show a tech the problem as it's happening). Sometimes it does that several times in a row in a "cycle". Do you think I am ready for Fast Path or would that make my stability problems even worse? I've been working with Verizon for years to try and get them to fix the stability problems, but no joy:

1. Replaced all interior telecom wiring (ethernet and phone)
2. Replaced DSL filters on phone lines (within past 6 months)
3. Been through 4 or 5 modems

Anyway, I won't get too into the attempt to ask for tech support in this thread. If the description of my stats and my line stability problems indicate that FastPath isn't suitable for me, that's good enough of an answer.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Mon, 27 Jul 2009 22:49:43 EDT

Smith6612 : Yes, you can have FastPath. If you get ADSL2+ on that line it looks ready to go for 3Mbps as well.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Mon, 27 Jul 2009 19:11:15 EDT

Cav : Well just curious if i am able to switch

Transceiver Revision A2pB020b3.d20h
Vendor ID Code 4D54
Line Mode ADSL_G.dmt
Data Path INTERLEAVED

Transceiver Information Down Stream Path Up Stream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 1792 448
Margin (dB) 16.9 24.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 53.0 27.0
Transmit Power (dBm) 9.4 11.9

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Fri, 17 Jul 2009 02:03:48 EDT

Smith6612 : Both of those stats work with FastPath. When it comes down to it, and I find this odd, the Westell 7500 is syncing with FastPath already on it, when yet the 327w, which supports FastPath isn't syncing with FastPath. Per the modem, it seems to be your choice, really.
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Fri, 17 Jul 2009 01:38:04 EDT

sooparad : Hi I just upgraded to the 7.1mb dsl service from 3mb and received a new Westell 7500 modem. Before this, I was using a Westell 327w modem. With the new service on, I checked the transceiver stats on each modem and here are the results.

Westell 327w (old)

Transceiver Revision: 7.2.3.0
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: ADSL2+ Mode
Data Path: Interleaved

Transceiver Information Downstream Path Upstream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 7658 863
Margin (dB) 17.0 12.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 31.5 17.5
Transmit Power (dBm) 17.4 12.1

Westell 7500 (new)

Transceiver Revision A2pB020b3.d20h
Vendor ID Code 4D54
Line Mode ADSL_2plus
Data Path FAST

Transceiver Information Down Stream Path Up Stream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 7645 863
Margin (dB) 10.4 14.1
Line Attenuation (dB) 34.5 16.6
Transmit Power (dBm) 9.6 12.4

My question is will either of these stats would work with FastPath and which router/modem should I use?

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Wed, 15 Jul 2009 17:47:34 EDT

Jodokast96 : 8500 ft. roughly. In your case, there should be no risks involved in switching to Fastpath, your line is that good. The easiest way is to do it via the Direct forum. Just post a request, they should be pretty familiar with it with all the requests we've sent their way.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Tue, 14 Jul 2009 19:34:35 EDT

SpankMeHard : Thanks, Jodocast. Can you tell from my numbers what the presumed distance form the CO is?

Also, what risks are involved in asking Verizon for Fastpath? When I put in my order to upgrade from 3.0 Mb/s service to 7.1 Mb/s, it was a disaster. They ended up completely disconnecting my DSL by accident, and it took almost a week of phone calls to get it back up and running again. And this was a week that I was trapped in my house recovering from shoulder surgery! No Internet during this time was agony.

Then, it took another five days of phone calls to get the email addresses back and re-pointed to the new DSL. It was many painful hours on the phone - although every tech I got was friendly, professional and courteous.

In a way, I'm almost afraid to "rock the boat" now that I'm up and running. But, I'm a sort of hobbyist in computers, and I want to see if there'll be a performance gain.

Lastly, if I went to the Verizon Direct forum here to request FastPath, then how do I ask? Is there any particular wording or protocol for the request? Thanks for your help!

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Mon, 13 Jul 2009 22:29:50 EDT

Jodokast96 : Jin, yes, Fastpath is doable here. I would expect to see an US margin of at least 15 here. If there is anyway to get that up a bit more, that will probably take care of your disconnects.

Spanky, Fastpath is a go, and is a pretty healty line.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Mon, 13 Jul 2009 21:39:09 EDT

SpankMeHard : OK - I'll bite. Am I a candidate for FastPath? Otherwise, how "healthy" does this line look? What is my estimated distance from the CO with these numbers?

Transceiver Revision: 7.2.3.0
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: ADSL2+ Mode
Data Path: Interleaved

Transceiver Information Downstream Path Upstream Path

DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 7658 863
Margin (dB) 15.5 16.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 33.0 15.5
Transmit Power (dB) 18.4 12.1

Thanks.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Mon, 13 Jul 2009 14:51:22 EDT

anon : smith,
read through all this and first want to post a thanks... As an avid gamer and one who use to be on FiOS, your info is the best information I have found yet regarding DSL... I have had many calls into verizon. I have many drops, sometimes as many as 10 to 20 an hour. It is very frustrating when gaming, As I realize this is a thread for Fastpath, I will through up my states to see if it is possible first then jump to appropriate forum for my disconnection issues. I do support for a living and am fairly familiar with systems but deff a noob when it comes to DSL/networks, etc...
Here are stats... note that after last tech visit, margins went from 9/10 to 10/31 (on avg). This is obv better then prev but the upstream seems to still be low?

Transceiver Revision: 7.2.3.0
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT Mode
Data Path: Interleaved

Transceiver Information Downstream Path Upstream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 3360 864
Margin (dB) 24.0 10.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 30.0 18.0
Transmit Power (dBm) 7.6 11.9

Again, thanks for for the great info...
Jin

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sun, 12 Jul 2009 20:35:54 EDT

Smith6612 : You are for a matter of fact on the basic (the old) speeds, hence why your downstream and upstream seem lower. Otherwise, you can take FastPath.
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sun, 12 Jul 2009 20:27:48 EDT

dominion8 : Hoping I'm good for this. I noticed looking through some of the other posts that the Downstream/Upstream looked alot higher on alot of the other users posts. Not sure if thats due to being on Basic DSL or some traffic problem.

Transceiver Statistics

Transceiver Revision: 7.2.3.0
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT Mode
Data Path: Interleaved

Transceiver Information Downstream Path Upstream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 864 160
Margin (dB) 14.0 28.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 49.0 29.0
Transmit Power (dBm) 14.0 11.9

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 09 Jul 2009 23:02:30 EDT

pdoylejr : I don't have voice service. I do believe there is an NID device on the outside wall of the house.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 09 Jul 2009 20:12:15 EDT

JohnA :
Fast Path only affects the down margins. You are unable to make any change to the upstream.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 09 Jul 2009 19:51:46 EDT

acuariano :

said by Smith6612 :

Personally, I wouldn't go for FastPath on that line with a margin of 10dB, but if you do want it and are willing to accept your upstream possibly losing some slight speed, you can get it. If you have a NID, you can try syncing your modem up there to see if you can grab a higher margin (at least 2dB).

thanks for the advice Smith6612.
i remember like 4-5 months ago i plug modem to nid with a long cord from inside the house,and speed got a little bit better,,but no complain now.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 09 Jul 2009 18:32:43 EDT

Smith6612 : Notice your connectivity rate? This is it

quote:
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 2752 192

The proper speeds should be for the 3Mbps package should be

quote:
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 3360 864

That's what I mean by out of sync. Your modem isn't connecting at the proper speed. This can be caused by many reasons, and is caused by too low of a Signal to Noise ratio (your margin) from a degraded or noisy line, high attenuation, or both. This can be fixed though. I have two questions for you to answer though to troubleshoot this, and then we can go from there.

1: If you have Voice Service, do you hear noise on the line when you kill the dial tone by pressing a button on the phone? This shows up as buzzing, static, other voices on the line, loud hissing, etc. Since DSL shares the same wire as voice, if voice service is poor, typically DSL service will be degraded.

2: Do you have a NID, carbon block, or know where the demarc is between your home's copper and Verizon's copper wiring? This is typically a gray box found on the outside of your home that has a jack in it for testing service. If it's a carbon block, it's typically a box with a pull off cover with wires in it and cables coming out of it that lead to the main telephone wire or to your home's wiring.
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 09 Jul 2009 18:01:53 EDT

pdoylejr : What do you mean by the modem being out of sync? How do I fix that?

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 09 Jul 2009 17:48:57 EDT

Smith6612 : Personally, I wouldn't go for FastPath on that line with a margin of 10dB, but if you do want it and are willing to accept your upstream possibly losing some slight speed, you can get it. If you have a NID, you can try syncing your modem up there to see if you can grab a higher margin (at least 2dB).
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 09 Jul 2009 16:03:04 EDT

acuariano : should i ask for fastpath with these settings?

Transceiver Statistics

Transceiver Revision: 7.2.3.0
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT Mode
Data Path: Interleaved

Transceiver Information Downstream Path Upstream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 3360 864
Margin (dB) 16.0 10.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 39.5 29.0
Transmit Power (dBm) 12.8 11.9

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 09 Jul 2009 11:47:47 EDT

Smith6612 : @pdoylejr: Can you plug your modem into your NID and then post up the stats from there? If you don't have a NID, you may have a carbon block. Your modem is out of sync, and your attenuations are not in or near a 2:1 ratio and you're having a pretty big noise problem on your line. I know that Buffalo has some very old lines as well as homes (the lines can be as old as 60 years old). From there, we can continue (feel free to PM me for help if you'd like so we don't pollute this thread).

@Q0xSlvNhNzJQ: Your line's attenuation suggests that you should be able to get 3Mbps on your line, though there may be a noise issue going on with your line as your downstream margin should be higher compared to your downstream attenuation. Also, your upstream attenuation seems a bit high. If you have a NID or a carbon block or whatever you have as a Demarc between Verizon's copper network and your homer's copper, plug your modem into that and post up the stats again. Otherwise, at the moment your line can at least take FastPath.
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 09 Jul 2009 02:44:23 EDT

Q0xSlvNhNzJQ : Hi, first post here.

I'm wondering what the fastest DSL I can get is and whether I can do fastpath? Also, how do you decide and can I sign up via these forums?

Transceiver Revision: 7.2.3.0
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT Mode
Data Path: Interleaved

Transceiver Information Downstream Path Upstream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 864 160
Margin (dB) 14.0 31.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 44.5 31.0
Transmit Power (dBm) 3.1 11.6

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Wed, 08 Jul 2009 23:07:50 EDT

pdoylejr : I would like to be switched to Fastpath. I just got upgraded to the 3MB DSL plan. Here are my stats running the Westell 2200

Transceiver Revision: 7.1.254
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT-Mode
Data Path: Interleaved

Transceiver Information Down Up
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 2752 192
Margin (db) 4.5 12.0
Line Attenuation (db) 46.0 18.5
Transmit Power (db/Hz) 15.0 11.0

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Tue, 07 Jul 2009 02:52:35 EDT

Smith6612 : Your line stats are good enough for 3Mbps with FastPath, so as to why you're stuck on the 1.5Mbps provisioning is beyond me at the moment. If you've had that package for years, it might be outdated. That's what happened with a relative of mine before I told him about getting his speed doubled for free and updating his package. Yet again, your area may just not have any capacity to handle the boost in speed (which would be odd again considering fiber optic cables connect the COs/remotes these days, with a T1 line or a few T1 lines fueling rural remotes).
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Tue, 07 Jul 2009 00:48:03 EDT

richsoucie : so they told me that i can only get 1.7mbps is this correct or should i be able to get 3.0

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sun, 05 Jul 2009 12:30:38 EDT

Smith6612 : Yes, your line can have FastPath.

@richsoucie: Call up Verizon Billing and have them fix your provisioning so that it's on the 3Mbps package, rather than the 1.5Mbps package (should be a free boost), and then once your speed is turned up, post up those stats again here.
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sun, 05 Jul 2009 10:38:54 EDT

mcbrown : Hi Smith,

Any thoughts on my line specs both regarding Fast Path or anything else? I am 16,200' from the CO, so I pretty much know I'm not getting anything faster anytime soon.

Transceiver Revision: 7.1.254
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT Mode
Data Path: Interleaved
Transceiver Information Down Stream Path Up Stream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 1792 448
Margin (dB) 15.5 12.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 52.5 18.5
Transmit Power (dBm) 12.0 11.0

Thanks,
Mike
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sun, 05 Jul 2009 03:03:51 EDT

richsoucie : wondering if i can get fastpath also wondering about a speed upgrade

Transceiver Statistics

Transceiver Revision: 7.2.3.0
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT Mode
Data Path: Interleaved

Transceiver Information Downstream Path Upstream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 1792 448
Margin (dB) 23.0 25.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 31.5 17.0
Transmit Power (dBm) 6.8 11.8

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 02 Jul 2009 17:39:18 EDT

Smith6612 : That line is good to go for a speed boost and FastPath.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 02 Jul 2009 12:20:54 EDT

rdenter : Fastpath & Speed

Hi, would it be a good idea to ask for fastpath with these stats. Might upgrade in speed if possible, too.

Westell 7.2.3.0
G.DMT
Interleaved

Down/Up
DSL Speed 1184/448
Margin 28.5/25.0
Attenuation 33.0/19.0
Pwr 7.1/11.9

Thank you

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 02 Jul 2009 10:48:08 EDT

Smith6612 : Your downstream margin is a little low for FastPath. As to cleaning your line, it's a simple matter of getting noise and attenuation as good as possible. You do this by comparing your normal line stats compared to your stats at the NID, knowing what a good line looks like, and how to fix it.
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It's all fun and games in a Team Fortress 2 battle until your sentry gun is sapped by the Spycrab!

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 02 Jul 2009 00:00:23 EDT

josh_rt : Transceiver Statistics
Transceiver Revision A2pB020b3.d20h
Vendor ID Code 4D54
Line Mode ADSL_G.dmt
Data Path INTERLEAVED

Transceiver Information Down Stream Path Up Stream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 1792 448
Margin (dB) 10.0 17.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 63.0 31.5
Transmit Power (dBm) 11.2 12.1

Are my stats good enough for Fastpath? and how do you "clean your line" as mentioned in the previous posts?

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Wed, 01 Jul 2009 17:00:28 EDT

JohnA :
Yes, it will support Fast Path. You will lose 1-3 dB on your downstream margins. As long as it's not subject to fluctuations that takes it under 12 dB now, you should have no problems.

Post your request with your account info in the Verizon Direct Forum. Ignore the precaution that you can't go back to interleave. Tell them you do want to make the switch.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Wed, 01 Jul 2009 15:24:39 EDT

xXTRag3DyXx : here are my stats can I get fastpath
Transceiver Revision: 7.2.3.0
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT Mode
Data Path: Interleaved

Transceiver Information Downstream Path Upstream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 3360 768
Margin (dB) 17.0 10.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 44.0 31.0
Transmit Power (dBm) 13.0 11.9

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Tue, 30 Jun 2009 22:41:52 EDT

anon : Can I get Fastpath/3MBPS.

Transceiver Revision: 01.00.09.00
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT Mode
Data Path: Interleaved
Transceiver Information Down Stream Path Up Stream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 1792 448
Margin (dB) 14.5 16.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 52.5 31.5
Transmit Power (dBm) 16.8 11.0

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sat, 27 Jun 2009 23:59:59 EDT

LU89 :

said by Jodokast96 :

Fastpath, yes. No to the 7.1 and probably (though not definitely) not even 5.0.

Thank you very much!
--
"Sometimes the appropriate response to reality is to go insane."

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sat, 27 Jun 2009 22:39:31 EDT

Jodokast96 : Yes.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sat, 27 Jun 2009 20:44:42 EDT

klear : Transceiver Revision: 7.2.3.0
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: ADSL2+ Mode
Data Path: Interleaved

Transceiver Information Downstream Path Upstream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 1179 447
Margin (dB) 15.5 23.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 53.0 32.0
Transmit Power (dBm) 15.5 11.9

Can I be moved to Fast Path?

Thanks

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sat, 27 Jun 2009 15:06:52 EDT

Jodokast96 : Fastpath, yes. No to the 7.1 and probably (though not definitely) not even 5.0.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sat, 27 Jun 2009 12:41:23 EDT

LU89 : Would I be capable of getting 7.1Mbps with FastPath?

Transceiver Revision: 7.1.254
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT Mode
Data Path: Interleaved
Transceiver Information Down Stream Path Up Stream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 3360 864
Margin (dB) 15.5 12.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 46.0 18.5
Transmit Power (dBm) 8.0 11.0
--
"Sometimes the appropriate response to reality is to go insane."

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Fri, 26 Jun 2009 15:13:48 EDT

Smith6612 : Yes your line can have FastPath.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Fri, 26 Jun 2009 13:19:47 EDT

aceplayer : I would like to be switched to FastPath as I experience some lag in my guildwars game. Here is my transceiver stats. Does everything look good to get switched?

Transceiver Revision: 01.00.09.00
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT Mode
Data Path: Interleaved
Transceiver Information Down Stream Path Up Stream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 3360 864
Margin (dB) 20.0 15.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 27.5 11.5
Transmit Power (dBm) 16.3 10.9

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Wed, 24 Jun 2009 23:51:30 EDT

Smith6612 : I believe there is a way to set up the router and modem to get the line stats while in bridge mode. There should be an FAQ or a topic on it someplace. Last I saw something on this though was maybe 3 months ago. But otherwise everything looks good on your end.
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It's all fun and games in a Team Fortress 2 battle until your sentry gun is sapped by the Spycrab!

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Wed, 24 Jun 2009 22:30:41 EDT

bigpapae35 : I upgraded my speeds to 7/768, and I had some difficulty at first getting an agent to help change my connection mode to fast path, since the verizon direct forum doesn't assist business accounts.

But that figure above are after the fast path change. My personal router sits behind the westel versalink modem set to bridged mode, and I do not know how to get the stats now.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Wed, 24 Jun 2009 13:40:24 EDT

Smith6612 : Your line seems to already be on FastPath given that latency to the Optimum Online speed test server. Doesn't hurt to post up your line stats though to see how they look.
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It's all fun and games in a Team Fortress 2 battle until your sentry gun is sapped by the Spycrab!

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Wed, 24 Jun 2009 11:31:41 EDT

bigpapae35 :

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Mon, 22 Jun 2009 20:26:51 EDT

Smith6612 : Yes, those stats are good enough for FastPath.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Mon, 22 Jun 2009 17:08:55 EDT

Jaybr : Do my stats look ok for FastPath?

Transceiver Revision: 7.2.3.0
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: ADSL2+ Mode
Data Path: Interleaved
Transceiver Information Down Stream Path Up Stream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 3354 863
Margin (dB) 14.0 14.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 44.0 22.0
Transmit Power (dBm) 18.4 12.1

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Wed, 17 Jun 2009 10:11:07 EDT

Smith6612 : A NID would help at least when it comes down to troubleshooting purposes, that plus the NID would allow you to split DSL from Voice if it comes down to that.
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It's all fun and games in a Team Fortress 2 battle until your sentry gun is sapped by the Spycrab!

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Wed, 17 Jun 2009 10:07:00 EDT

i1own0u : would getting an NID help at all? My house is 200 years old

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Wed, 17 Jun 2009 10:05:41 EDT

Smith6612 : It depends on when your home was built. Newer homes typically have a NID. A NID is simply the demarcation point from where Verizon's copper network connects to your home's network, so if you know where that is (may even be a carbon block), hook the modem into that. Typically NIDs are found on the side of your home on the outside of it, but I have seen some inside. Carbon blocks I've seen both outside and inside as well.

If you don't have a NID, you can have Verizon come out and install one for free. In the meantime, you can also try another jack.
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It's all fun and games in a Team Fortress 2 battle until your sentry gun is sapped by the Spycrab!

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Wed, 17 Jun 2009 10:01:48 EDT

i1own0u : Should I have an NID? would it be inside or outside because there's nothing like that in my basement...

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Wed, 17 Jun 2009 10:00:44 EDT

Smith6612 : If you have a NID plug the modem into that. By the looks of it there is a noise issue going on that is causing the line to lose sync. If the connection remains stable at the NID and if the stats look good for a little while, then we can go from there.
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It's all fun and games in a Team Fortress 2 battle until your sentry gun is sapped by the Spycrab!

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Wed, 17 Jun 2009 09:53:16 EDT

i1own0u : I found out i've had an account on here for the longest time. I should've asked for help earlier... i am cjones_304

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Wed, 17 Jun 2009 09:49:23 EDT

anon : Idk if i should because in the last hour i have been disconnected 15+ times and my DSL seems to fiddle with the speed settings to come to a good enough speed so it should stop dropping.

Transceiver Revision: 6.2.0.211
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT Mode
Data Path: Interleaved
Transceiver Information Down Stream Path Up Stream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 128 672
Margin (dB) 26.0 10.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 41.5 29.0
Transmit Power (dBm) 12.4 11.8

My downstream is usually 3360 and the up is usually 864 but when they are up there, i frequently disconnect and itll reconnect and disconnect for the longest time until it decides to drop the speed, which makes me just restart it so i can actually do something. The margin is usually from 6-14 (14 was the highest i saw ever before)

Anything i can do to improve these stats so i can switch over to FastPath? and where is my NID box? should i have one? does everyone who has DSL have one? and where is my exchange, is there any way of knowing? All i know is that there is a Verizon place like 2 miles away...

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sun, 14 Jun 2009 01:26:04 EDT

Smith6612 : Looks like you're not going to get much more out of the upload on the connection, but if you are willing to give FastPath a shot, by all means go ahead.
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It's all fun and games in a Team Fortress 2 battle until your sentry gun is sapped by the Spycrab!

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sat, 13 Jun 2009 23:07:07 EDT

tt0ne : Hi Mr. Smith!

Ok, after fasting and praying that I'd have a divine revelation on how to make some improvements that would help you make a decision... well... I did some "rewiring" and what is so weird is that now my downstream signal is even stronger and my upstream signal got a little lower... Here are the new stats:

ADSL Statistics

Mode: G.DMT
Type: Interleave
Line Coding: Trellis On
Status: No Defect
Link Power State: L0

Downstream Upstream

SNR Margin (dB): 16.9 9.0
Attenuation (dB): 52.0 31.5
Output Power (dBm): 17.4 11.9
Attainable Rate (Kbps): 6888 800
Rate (Kbps): 3360 704

Extra info this time that may help you:

K (number of bytes in DMT frame): 106 23
R (number of check bytes in RS code word): 16 0
S (RS code word size in DMT frame): 2 1
D (interleaver depth): 0 0
Delay (msec): 0 0

Super Frames: 230216 230214
Super Frame Errors: 0 0
RS Words: 7827374 0
RS Correctable Errors: 3169 0
RS Uncorrectable Errors: 0 N/A

HEC Errors: 0 0
OCD Errors: 0 0
LCD Errors: 0 0
Total Cells: 31006461 0
Data Cells: 237964 0
Bit Errors: 0 0

Total ES: 0 0
Total SES: 0 0
Total UAS: 56 0

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Here's the deal though, why is my upstream SNR lower but my highest attainable upload speed is higher at 800?

Weird stuff.

BUT... if your offer still stands, I'm willing to risk trying FastPath - if things go squirrly I can request to have it put back to interleave?

Even though I'm with DSLXtreme - you Verizon guys have been awesome to me - maybe that commercial really is reality for some, eh? (for proof - check out my thread here: »DSLXtreme Experience So Far

I literally flagged one of you guys off the street and he and another guy worked at my place for two hours...

Anyways, I'm way off topic.

- Marco

EDIT:

Ok, made some changes on the modem and it looks like this now:

Downstream Upstream
SNR Margin (dB): 16.2 11.0
Attenuation (dB): 51.0 31.0
Output Power (dBm): 16.5 11.9
Attainable Rate (Kbps): 7136 788
Rate (Kbps): 3360 672

It's a little bit of an improvement from my original post a few up from this one...

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sat, 13 Jun 2009 09:23:42 EDT

Smith6612 : No problem :)

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sat, 13 Jun 2009 02:37:05 EDT

GreyWhyte : Got FastPath up yesterday and the snail is out of my online gamin!! Thanks for the Green Light Smith!!

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Fri, 12 Jun 2009 22:03:45 EDT

Smith6612 : The upstream margin is out of sync and the SNR on the upstream is a bit low. If you can boost your margin a bit or get ADSL2+ onto the line, post up the stats again and we'll see if it's a good to go. Your line is pretty long though if the attenuation itself is correct. Otherwise, if you really do want FastPath on your line, you can risk a bit of stability for it.
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It's all fun and games in a Team Fortress 2 battle until your sentry gun is sapped by the Spycrab!

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Fri, 12 Jun 2009 21:39:12 EDT

tt0ne : ADSL Statistics

Mode: G.DMT
Type: Interleave
Line Coding: Trellis On
Status: No Defect
Link Power State: L0

Downstream Upstream

SNR Margin (dB): 15.8 10.0
Attenuation (dB): 52.0 31.5
Output Power (dBm): 16.8 11.9
Attainable Rate (Kbps): 6848 788
Rate (Kbps): 3360 672

Oh my god, if you enable fastpath on my connection I will have my children erect small statues of you that they will worship every night before bed.

- Marco

PS: I have a DSL dry loop with DSLXtreme but Verizon provisions my line... I'm sure someone else has asked on this thread if you guys can still add fastpath - but it's 25 pages long now - so I'm asking again... Sorry if I pissed anyone off.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Fri, 12 Jun 2009 18:54:45 EDT

johndhale : have been reviewing the FastPath messages on the Verizon forum. ARe my stats OK for FastPath? Thanks in advance.

Transceiver Revision: 7.2.3.0
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT Mode
Data Path: Interleaved

Transceiver Information Downstream Path Upstream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 3360 864
Margin (dB) 13.5 12.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 42.5 27.0
Transmit Power (dBm) 17.7 11.9

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 11 Jun 2009 16:06:37 EDT

Smith6612 : Change the line margins? Not really, unless your phone line is degraded, where the line can be replaced (indicated by buzzing/humming on the phone line via voice service) or if you are closer to the exchange. Really, right now I'd say FastPath is the only thing you'd want to change on there, as though it'll lower the margins by 1-2dB, the line will remain more stable than at 3Mbps speeds which would bring the line down to no-man's zone.
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It's all fun and games in a Team Fortress 2 battle until your sentry gun is sapped by the Spycrab!

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 11 Jun 2009 16:00:26 EDT

Xenomomma : is there anyway to change that?? Or am I stuck like this.

(this is feardadonkey)

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 11 Jun 2009 15:50:44 EDT

Smith6612 : That's all you're really going to get out of that line without running into Stability issues.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 11 Jun 2009 15:49:44 EDT

anon : also im on a 3 mb line but its only giving 1.7. Is there a problem? or is that all I can get.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 11 Jun 2009 15:48:02 EDT

Smith6612 : Yes, your line is good to go for FastPath.

@GreyWhyte: It's up to you if you want to get Verizon out to show you where the NID is. Your building manager might know where it is as well.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 11 Jun 2009 15:22:27 EDT

anon : Transceiver Revision: 7.2.3.0
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: ADSL2+ Mode
Data Path: Interleaved

Transceiver Information Downstream Path Upstream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 1787 447
Margin (dB) 15.5 21.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 53.5 34.5
Transmit Power (dBm) 16.0 12.0

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 11 Jun 2009 09:15:47 EDT

GreyWhyte : Thanks for the quick reply!!

You know I had a feeling that the 800 upstream was not correct from day one but anyway....

I am not sure as to where my NID is located. I live in an apartment complex so I'm thinking I'm gonna need a Verizon tech to lend some aid, huh? Can I make a request via the Verizon Direct Forums?

Thank YOU again for your assistance!

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 11 Jun 2009 06:15:09 EDT

Smith6612 : Your upstream is out of sync, but if you can boost the sync to 864kbps and get a little bit of margin out of the upstream, then you should be set. Plug your modem into your NID and post up the stats again for us to see.
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It's all fun and games in a Team Fortress 2 battle until your sentry gun is sapped by the Spycrab!

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 11 Jun 2009 03:26:34 EDT

GreyWhyte : Just wanted to know if my line qualifies for FastPath...

Transceiver Statistics
Transceiver Revision A2pB020b3.d20h
Vendor ID Code 4D54
Line Mode ADSL_G.dmt
Data Path INTERLEAVED

Transceiver Information Down Stream Path Up Stream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 3360 800
Margin (dB) 20.1 10.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 37.0 27.0
Transmit Power (dBm) 8.3 11.9

Thanks!!!

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Wed, 10 Jun 2009 20:40:51 EDT

Smith6612 : That would be something you'd have to contact Verizon about and see if they would give it to you.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Wed, 10 Jun 2009 16:36:24 EDT

de3th : im new to this but how do i get ADSL2+

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Wed, 10 Jun 2009 16:06:37 EDT

Smith6612 : The way I take it, if you were to get ADSL2+ on your line instead of it running in G.DMT mode (something Verizon'll have to change), FastPath will be doable, as per higher speeds, that's dependent on the margins once the changes are applied.
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It's all fun and games in a Team Fortress 2 battle until your sentry gun is sapped by the Spycrab!

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Wed, 10 Jun 2009 15:46:32 EDT

de3th : also is my line good for 7.1? or maybe even 5.1

thanks

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Wed, 10 Jun 2009 15:31:08 EDT

Smith6612 : Margins are a bit low for FastPath at the moment and transmit power is near max. If it remains stable and the margins can get a little higher, then I'd say FastPath with no problem.
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It's all fun and games in a Team Fortress 2 battle until your sentry gun is sapped by the Spycrab!

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Wed, 10 Jun 2009 15:13:59 EDT

de3th : everything seems fine now after rebooting my modem again... so im wondering if I can still get Fastpath

Transceiver Revision: 7.2.3.0
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT Mode
Data Path: Interleaved

Transceiver Information Downstream Path Upstream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 3360 864
Margin (dB) 11.5 10.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 40.5 24.0
Transmit Power (dBm) 17.8 11.9

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Wed, 10 Jun 2009 10:58:08 EDT

Rwin : Disconnected overnight, does DHCP lease being 1 day make it reset after 24hrs? Also refreshed transciever stats last night and it went from 12>11>13>13.5>13.5. Its switching between 16.5, 16, and 14.5 right now.

All Entries

CURRENT MODEM STATUS
DSL Modem Status....... Up
PPP Session Status...... Up
Connection Type......... PPPoE
Time set from............. Daylight Savings
Time since last boot.... 1 days, 1 hrs: 43 mins: 7 secs
EVENTS
**********************************************************************
Events are listed starting from the most recent. **********************************************************************
WED JUN 10 12:44:55 2009
CWMP: Final Http Return Code = 204

WED JUN 10 12:44:55 2009
CWMP: Inform (200). The following events are true: 4 VALUE CHANGE

WED JUN 10 12:44:55 2009
CWMP: TCP Connected, SSL Connection Succeeded, Auth Type = Basic

WED JUN 10 12:44:55 2009
CWMP: Inform (401). The following events are true: 4 VALUE CHANGE

WED JUN 10 12:44:55 2009
CWMP: TCP Connected, SSL Connection Succeeded, Auth Type = Basic

WED JUN 10 12:44:29 2009
Setting System clock to Daylight Savings Time WED JUN 10 12:44:29 2009

WED JUN 10 12:44:29 2009
Time set from Primary SNTP server: tock.usno.navy.mil

WED JUN 10 12:44:25 2009
PPP CONNECTED on VPI 0 VCI 35

WED JUN 10 12:44:24 2009
Connecting session(0): My Connection due to Manual Connect

WED JUN 10 12:44:13 2009
US Atten: 20.0 DS Atten: 33.5

WED JUN 10 12:44:13 2009
US Margin: 13.0 DS Margin: 26.0

WED JUN 10 12:44:13 2009
US Tx Power: 11.9 DS Tx Power: 9.4

WED JUN 10 12:44:13 2009
US DSL Rate: 864 kbits/sec DS DSL Rate: 3360 kbits/sec

WED JUN 10 12:44:13 2009
WanMgr reports DSL is UP

WED JUN 10 12:43:53 2009
WanMgr reports DSL is Down

WED JUN 10 12:43:45 2009
PPP DISCONNECTED on VPI 0 VCI 35 : PPP commanded down

WED JUN 10 12:43:45 2009
Disconnecting session(0): My Connection due to dsl Restart

WED JUN 10 12:43:36 2009
US Atten: 20.0 DS Atten: 33.5

WED JUN 10 12:43:36 2009
US Margin: 13.0 DS Margin: 26.0

WED JUN 10 12:43:36 2009
US Tx Power: 11.9 DS Tx Power: 9.4

WED JUN 10 12:43:36 2009
US DSL Rate: 864 kbits/sec DS DSL Rate: 3360 kbits/sec

WED JUN 10 12:43:36 2009
WanMgr reports DSL is UP

WED JUN 10 12:43:15 2009
WanMgr reports DSL is Down

WED JUN 10 12:24:52 2009
DNS: Unknown host: '110.8.149.78.in-addr.arpa'

WED JUN 10 12:24:47 2009
DNS: Unknown host: '165.28.13.124.in-addr.arpa'

WED JUN 10 12:24:38 2009
DNS: Unknown host: '66.255.49.66.in-addr.arpa'

WED JUN 10 12:24:32 2009
DNS: Unknown host: '65.108.13.124.in-addr.arpa'

WED JUN 10 12:24:27 2009
DNS: Unknown host: '23.149.189.203.in-addr.arpa'

WED JUN 10 12:24:25 2009
DNS: Unknown host: '23.149.189.203.in-addr.arpa'

WED JUN 10 12:24:19 2009
DNS: Unknown host: '145.163.160.119.in-addr.arpa'

WED JUN 10 12:24:13 2009
DNS: Unknown host: '201.163.184.78.in-addr.arpa'

WED JUN 10 11:13:36 2009
External content downloaded

WED JUN 10 10:50:20 2009
DNS: Unknown host: 'wpad.westell.com'

WED JUN 10 10:50:20 2009
DNS: Unknown host: 'wpad.myhome.westell.com'

WED JUN 10 10:27:34 2009
CWMP: Final Http Return Code = 204

WED JUN 10 10:27:34 2009
CWMP: Inform (200). The following events are true: 4 VALUE CHANGE

WED JUN 10 10:27:34 2009
CWMP: TCP Connected, SSL Connection Succeeded, Auth Type = Basic

WED JUN 10 10:27:34 2009
CWMP: Inform (401). The following events are true: 4 VALUE CHANGE

WED JUN 10 10:27:34 2009
CWMP: TCP Connected, SSL Connection Succeeded, Auth Type = Basic

WED JUN 10 10:27:08 2009
Setting System clock to Daylight Savings Time WED JUN 10 10:27:07 2009

WED JUN 10 10:27:08 2009
Time set from Primary SNTP server: tock.usno.navy.mil

WED JUN 10 10:27:04 2009
PPP CONNECTED on VPI 0 VCI 35

WED JUN 10 10:27:03 2009
Connecting session(0): My Connection due to Manual Connect

WED JUN 10 10:26:54 2009
Disconnecting session(-1): due to PADT received

WED JUN 10 10:26:54 2009
Received PADT for session id 3533

WED JUN 10 10:26:54 2009
PPP DISCONNECTED on VPI 0 VCI 35 : PPP commanded down

WED JUN 10 10:26:54 2009
Disconnecting session(0): My Connection due to dsl Restart

WED JUN 10 10:26:45 2009
US Atten: 20.0 DS Atten: 33.5

WED JUN 10 10:26:45 2009
US Margin: 13.0 DS Margin: 26.0

WED JUN 10 10:26:45 2009
US Tx Power: 11.8 DS Tx Power: 9.5

WED JUN 10 10:26:45 2009
US DSL Rate: 864 kbits/sec DS DSL Rate: 3360 kbits/sec

WED JUN 10 10:26:45 2009
WanMgr reports DSL is UP

WED JUN 10 10:26:23 2009
WanMgr reports DSL is Down

TUE JUN 09 22:46:07 2009
CWMP: Final Http Return Code = 204

TUE JUN 09 22:46:02 2009
CWMP: Inform (200). The following events are true: 4 VALUE CHANGE

TUE JUN 09 22:46:02 2009
CWMP: TCP Connected, SSL Connection Succeeded, Auth Type = Basic

TUE JUN 09 22:45:27 2009
CWMP: Inform (401). The following events are true: 4 VALUE CHANGE

TUE JUN 09 22:45:27 2009
CWMP: TCP Connected, SSL Connection Succeeded, Auth Type = Basic

TUE JUN 09 22:16:17 2009
DNS: Unknown host: 'wpad.westell.com'

TUE JUN 09 22:16:17 2009
DNS: Unknown host: 'wpad.myhome.westell.com'

TUE JUN 09 21:56:36 2009
DNS: Unknown host: '[2a01:138:a001:201::23].myhome.westell.com'

TUE JUN 09 21:56:36 2009
DNS: Unknown host: '[2a01:138:a001:201::23].myhome.westell.com'

TUE JUN 09 21:56:36 2009
DNS: Unknown host: '[2a01:138:a001:201::22].myhome.westell.com'

TUE JUN 09 21:56:36 2009
DNS: Unknown host: '[2a01:138:a001:201::22].myhome.westell.com'

TUE JUN 09 21:56:36 2009
DNS: Unknown host: '[2a01:138:a001:201::21].myhome.westell.com'

TUE JUN 09 21:56:36 2009
DNS: Unknown host: '[2a01:138:a001:201::21].myhome.westell.com'

TUE JUN 09 21:13:17 2009
DNS: Unknown host: 'wpad.westell.com'

TUE JUN 09 21:13:17 2009
DNS: Unknown host: 'wpad.myhome.westell.com'

end of diagnostic log file

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Wed, 10 Jun 2009 06:11:38 EDT

Smith6612 : FastPath is no go on that line as it is out of sync. Reboot your modem again and post up the stats again. Also, if you have a phone line with Verizon, tell me if you hear any noise on that such as static, buzzing, other voices, etc. Typically when voice service degrades, the DSL will follow with it. In this case your line should be able to pull 3Mbps/768kbps speeds with FastPath given your attenuation seems low enough.
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Wed, 10 Jun 2009 05:27:15 EDT

de3th : So pretty much last night there was a huge thunderstorm around New York City and now my internet connection is lagging really bad, random disconnect so im wondering if fastpath will work for me... I tried turning off modem,router... but it still the same speed

Transceiver Revision: 7.2.3.0
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT Mode
Data Path: Interleaved

Transceiver Information Downstream Path Upstream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 1248 736
Margin (dB) 7.0 9.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 41.5 27.0
Transmit Power (dBm) 15.7 11.9

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Tue, 09 Jun 2009 20:42:48 EDT

Rwin : I have seen the margin fall sometimes and rise others, but haven't seen it fall below 9. A few of the earlier disconnects were by me. I reset the modem and plugged into a different jack. It hasn't disconnected after posting so I'll clear logs and post next time it disconnects. Does it matter having a network? Two other comps connect through wireless. Noticed margin going up once when wireless comp connected.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Tue, 09 Jun 2009 19:58:54 EDT

Smith6612 : Hmm, DSL is in fact resyncing a few times throughout the day. The logs show that the line speed isn't dropping at all, however the sync downstream margin is fluctuating. If you were to reload the modem's page every now and again throughout the day when you're on the computer, do you notice your line's margins begin to fall slowly or sharply? If the margins do fall at or below 6dB, then there's something inserting noise into the line.
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Tue, 09 Jun 2009 17:10:32 EDT

Rwin : Here's the log: I think it was around 3:30pm that it disconnected.

All Entries

CURRENT MODEM STATUS
DSL Modem Status....... Up
PPP Session Status...... Up
Connection Type......... PPPoE
Time set from............. Daylight Savings
Time since last boot.... 0 days, 6 hrs: 1 mins: 43 secs
EVENTS
**********************************************************************
Events are listed starting from the most recent. **********************************************************************
TUE JUN 09 17:03:18 2009
DNS: Unknown host: 'isatap.myhome.westell.com'

TUE JUN 09 17:03:17 2009
DNS: Unknown host: 'wpad.westell.com'

TUE JUN 09 17:03:17 2009
DNS: Unknown host: 'wpad.westell.com'

TUE JUN 09 17:03:17 2009
DNS: Unknown host: 'wpad.myhome.westell.com'

TUE JUN 09 17:03:17 2009
DNS: Unknown host: 'wpad.myhome.westell.com'

TUE JUN 09 17:03:13 2009
DNS: Unknown host: '_ldap._tcp.dc._msdcs.myhome.westell.com'

TUE JUN 09 17:03:13 2009
DNS: Unknown host: '_ldap._tcp.dc._msdcs.myhome.westell.com'

TUE JUN 09 17:03:10 2009
DNS: Unknown host: '_ldap._tcp.dc._msdcs.myhome.westell.com'

TUE JUN 09 16:50:04 2009
CWMP: Final Http Return Code = 0

TUE JUN 09 16:50:04 2009
CWMP: Inform (0). The following events are true: 4 VALUE CHANGE

TUE JUN 09 16:50:04 2009
CWMP: TCP Connected, SSL Connection Succeeded, Auth Type = None

TUE JUN 09 16:06:04 2009
CWMP: Final Http Return Code = 0

TUE JUN 09 16:06:04 2009
CWMP: Inform (0). The following events are true: 4 VALUE CHANGE

TUE JUN 09 16:06:04 2009
CWMP: TCP Connected, SSL Connection Succeeded, Auth Type = None

TUE JUN 09 15:37:34 2009
CWMP: Final Http Return Code = 0

TUE JUN 09 15:37:34 2009
CWMP: Inform (0). The following events are true: 4 VALUE CHANGE

TUE JUN 09 15:37:34 2009
CWMP: TCP Connected, SSL Connection Succeeded, Auth Type = None

TUE JUN 09 15:37:02 2009
CWMP: Final Http Return Code = 0

TUE JUN 09 15:37:02 2009
CWMP: Inform (0). The following events are true: 4 VALUE CHANGE

TUE JUN 09 15:37:02 2009
CWMP: TCP Connected, SSL Connection Succeeded, Auth Type = None

TUE JUN 09 15:35:38 2009
Setting System clock to Daylight Savings Time TUE JUN 09 15:35:38 2009

TUE JUN 09 15:35:38 2009
Time set from Primary SNTP server: tock.usno.navy.mil

TUE JUN 09 15:35:34 2009
PPP CONNECTED on VPI 0 VCI 35

TUE JUN 09 15:35:34 2009
Connecting session(0): My Connection due to Manual Connect

TUE JUN 09 15:35:25 2009
Disconnecting session(-1): due to PADT received

TUE JUN 09 15:35:25 2009
Received PADT for session id 3471

TUE JUN 09 15:35:25 2009
PPP DISCONNECTED on VPI 0 VCI 35 : PPP commanded down

TUE JUN 09 15:35:25 2009
Disconnecting session(0): My Connection due to dsl Restart

TUE JUN 09 15:35:16 2009
US Atten: 20.0 DS Atten: 33.5

TUE JUN 09 15:35:16 2009
US Margin: 13.0 DS Margin: 26.0

TUE JUN 09 15:35:16 2009
US Tx Power: 11.9 DS Tx Power: 9.4

TUE JUN 09 15:35:16 2009
US DSL Rate: 864 kbits/sec DS DSL Rate: 3360 kbits/sec

TUE JUN 09 15:35:16 2009
WanMgr reports DSL is UP

TUE JUN 09 15:35:11 2009
LAN PC Unable to communicate with DNS Server. (error = 'connection timed out', count = 18)

TUE JUN 09 15:35:05 2009
LAN PC Unable to communicate with DNS Server. (error = 'connection timed out', count = 15)

TUE JUN 09 15:35:03 2009
LAN PC Unable to communicate with DNS Server. (error = 'connection timed out', count = 12)

TUE JUN 09 15:35:01 2009
LAN PC Unable to communicate with DNS Server. (error = 'connection timed out', count = 9)

TUE JUN 09 15:34:50 2009
WanMgr reports DSL is Down

TUE JUN 09 15:34:38 2009
LAN PC Unable to communicate with DNS Server. (error = 'connection timed out', count = 6)

TUE JUN 09 15:34:31 2009
LAN PC Unable to communicate with DNS Server. (error = 'connection timed out', count = 3)

TUE JUN 09 15:31:35 2009
Setting System clock to Daylight Savings Time TUE JUN 09 15:31:35 2009

TUE JUN 09 15:31:35 2009
Time set from Primary SNTP server: tock.usno.navy.mil

TUE JUN 09 15:31:33 2009
PPP CONNECTED on VPI 0 VCI 35

TUE JUN 09 15:31:33 2009
Connecting session(0): My Connection due to Manual Connect

TUE JUN 09 15:31:23 2009
LAN PC Unable to communicate with DNS Server. (error = 'connection timed out', count = 3)

TUE JUN 09 15:31:22 2009
PPP DISCONNECTED on VPI 0 VCI 35 : PPP commanded down

TUE JUN 09 15:31:22 2009
Disconnecting session(0): My Connection due to dsl Restart

TUE JUN 09 15:31:13 2009
US Atten: 20.0 DS Atten: 33.5

TUE JUN 09 15:31:13 2009
US Margin: 13.0 DS Margin: 18.0

TUE JUN 09 15:31:13 2009
US Tx Power: 11.9 DS Tx Power: 16.8

TUE JUN 09 15:31:13 2009
US DSL Rate: 864 kbits/sec DS DSL Rate: 3360 kbits/sec

TUE JUN 09 15:31:13 2009
WanMgr reports DSL is UP

TUE JUN 09 15:30:51 2009
WanMgr reports DSL is Down

TUE JUN 09 15:20:45 2009
DNS: Unknown host: 'ipv6.labs.wikimedia.org.myhome.westell.com'

TUE JUN 09 15:19:46 2009
CWMP: Final Http Return Code = 204

TUE JUN 09 15:19:46 2009
CWMP: Inform (200). The following events are true: 4 VALUE CHANGE

TUE JUN 09 15:19:46 2009
CWMP: TCP Connected, SSL Connection Succeeded, Auth Type = Basic

TUE JUN 09 15:19:45 2009
CWMP: Inform (401). The following events are true: 4 VALUE CHANGE

TUE JUN 09 15:19:45 2009
CWMP: TCP Connected, SSL Connection Succeeded, Auth Type = Basic

TUE JUN 09 15:18:46 2009
Setting System clock to Daylight Savings Time TUE JUN 09 15:18:45 2009

TUE JUN 09 15:18:46 2009
Time set from Primary SNTP server: tock.usno.navy.mil

TUE JUN 09 15:18:43 2009
PPP CONNECTED on VPI 0 VCI 35

TUE JUN 09 15:18:43 2009
Connecting session(0): My Connection due to Manual Connect

TUE JUN 09 15:18:31 2009
PPP DISCONNECTED on VPI 0 VCI 35 : PPP commanded down

TUE JUN 09 15:18:31 2009
Disconnecting session(0): My Connection due to dsl Restart

TUE JUN 09 15:18:22 2009
US Atten: 20.0 DS Atten: 33.5

TUE JUN 09 15:18:22 2009
US Margin: 10.0 DS Margin: 18.0

TUE JUN 09 15:18:22 2009
US Tx Power: 11.9 DS Tx Power: 17.2

TUE JUN 09 15:18:22 2009
US DSL Rate: 864 kbits/sec DS DSL Rate: 3360 kbits/sec

TUE JUN 09 15:18:22 2009
WanMgr reports DSL is UP

TUE JUN 09 15:17:27 2009
WanMgr reports DSL is Down

TUE JUN 09 13:36:43 2009
CWMP: Final Http Return Code = 0

TUE JUN 09 13:36:43 2009
CWMP: Inform (0). The following events are true: 6 CONNECTION REQUEST

TUE JUN 09 13:36:43 2009
CWMP: TCP Connected, SSL Connection Succeeded, Auth Type = None

TUE JUN 09 13:31:43 2009
CWMP: Final Http Return Code = 204

TUE JUN 09 13:31:42 2009
CWMP: Connection request from ACS 166.68.134.175 succeeded

TUE JUN 09 13:31:42 2009
CWMP: Inform (200). The following events are true: 4 VALUE CHANGE

TUE JUN 09 13:31:42 2009
CWMP: TCP Connected, SSL Connection Succeeded, Auth Type = Basic

TUE JUN 09 13:30:56 2009
CWMP: Inform (401). The following events are true: 4 VALUE CHANGE

TUE JUN 09 13:30:56 2009
CWMP: TCP Connected, SSL Connection Succeeded, Auth Type = Basic

TUE JUN 09 13:29:37 2009
Setting System clock to Daylight Savings Time TUE JUN 09 13:29:35 2009

TUE JUN 09 13:29:37 2009
Time set from Primary SNTP server: tock.usno.navy.mil

TUE JUN 09 13:29:33 2009
PPP CONNECTED on VPI 0 VCI 35

TUE JUN 09 13:29:32 2009
Connecting session(0): My Connection due to Manual Connect

TUE JUN 09 13:29:21 2009
PPP DISCONNECTED on VPI 0 VCI 35 : PPP commanded down

TUE JUN 09 13:29:21 2009
Disconnecting session(0): My Connection due to dsl Restart

TUE JUN 09 13:29:12 2009
US Atten: 20.0 DS Atten: 33.5

TUE JUN 09 13:29:12 2009
US Margin: 13.0 DS Margin: 21.0

TUE JUN 09 13:29:12 2009
US Tx Power: 11.9 DS Tx Power: 14.4

TUE JUN 09 13:29:12 2009
US DSL Rate: 864 kbits/sec DS DSL Rate: 3360 kbits/sec

TUE JUN 09 13:29:12 2009
WanMgr reports DSL is UP

TUE JUN 09 13:28:50 2009
WanMgr reports DSL is Down

TUE JUN 09 13:04:54 2009
CWMP: Final Http Return Code = 204

TUE JUN 09 13:04:52 2009
CWMP: Inform (200). The following events are true: 6 CONNECTION REQUEST

TUE JUN 09 13:04:52 2009
CWMP: TCP Connected, SSL Connection Succeeded, Auth Type = Basic

TUE JUN 09 13:04:06 2009
CWMP: Inform (401). The following events are true: 6 CONNECTION REQUEST

TUE JUN 09 13:04:06 2009
CWMP: TCP Connected, SSL Connection Succeeded, Auth Type = Basic

TUE JUN 09 13:03:43 2009
CWMP: Connection request from ACS 166.68.134.174 succeeded

TUE JUN 09 13:03:25 2009
CWMP: Connection request from ACS 166.68.134.167 succeeded

TUE JUN 09 13:03:24 2009
CWMP: Final Http Return Code = 204

TUE JUN 09 13:03:24 2009
CWMP: Inform (200). The following events are true: 0 BOOTSTRAP

TUE JUN 09 13:03:24 2009
CWMP: TCP Connected, SSL Connection Succeeded, Auth Type = Basic

TUE JUN 09 13:02:43 2009
CWMP: Inform (401). The following events are true: 0 BOOTSTRAP

TUE JUN 09 13:02:43 2009
CWMP: TCP Connected, SSL Connection Succeeded, Auth Type = Basic

TUE JUN 09 12:54:03 2009
CWMP: Final Http Return Code = 0

TUE JUN 09 12:54:03 2009
CWMP: Inform (0). The following events are true: 0 BOOTSTRAP

TUE JUN 09 12:54:03 2009
CWMP: TCP Connected, SSL Connection Succeeded, Auth Type = None

TUE JUN 09 12:54:02 2009
CWMP: Final Http Return Code = 204

TUE JUN 09 12:54:00 2009
CWMP: Inform (200). The following events are true: 4 VALUE CHANGE

TUE JUN 09 12:54:00 2009
CWMP: TCP Connected, SSL Connection Succeeded, Auth Type = Basic

TUE JUN 09 12:54:00 2009
CWMP: Inform (401). The following events are true: 4 VALUE CHANGE

TUE JUN 09 12:54:00 2009
CWMP: TCP Connected, SSL Connection Succeeded, Auth Type = Basic

TUE JUN 09 12:47:23 2009
CWMP: Final Http Return Code = 401

TUE JUN 09 12:47:23 2009
CWMP: Inform (401). The following events are true: 4 VALUE CHANGE

TUE JUN 09 12:47:23 2009
CWMP: TCP Connected, SSL Connection Succeeded, Auth Type = Basic

TUE JUN 09 12:46:36 2009
DNS: Unknown host: 'aznmedia.myhome.westell.com'

TUE JUN 09 12:44:12 2009
CWMP: Inform (401). The following events are true: 4 VALUE CHANGE

TUE JUN 09 12:44:12 2009
CWMP: TCP Connected, SSL Connection Succeeded, Auth Type = Basic

TUE JUN 09 12:43:46 2009
Setting System clock to Daylight Savings Time TUE JUN 09 12:43:44 2009

TUE JUN 09 12:43:46 2009
Time set from Primary SNTP server: tock.usno.navy.mil

TUE JUN 09 12:43:42 2009
PPP CONNECTED on VPI 0 VCI 35

TUE JUN 09 12:43:35 2009
Connecting session(0): My Connection due to Manual Connect

TUE JUN 09 12:43:26 2009
Disconnecting session(0): My Connection due to PADT received

TUE JUN 09 12:43:26 2009
Received PADT for session id 7251

TUE JUN 09 12:43:26 2009
PPP DISCONNECTED on VPI 0 VCI 35 : PPP commanded down

TUE JUN 09 12:43:26 2009
Disconnecting session(0): My Connection due to dsl Restart

TUE JUN 09 12:43:17 2009
US Atten: 20.0 DS Atten: 34.0

TUE JUN 09 12:43:17 2009
US Margin: 12.0 DS Margin: 20.0

TUE JUN 09 12:43:17 2009
US Tx Power: 11.9 DS Tx Power: 15.1

TUE JUN 09 12:43:17 2009
US DSL Rate: 864 kbits/sec DS DSL Rate: 3360 kbits/sec

TUE JUN 09 12:43:17 2009
WanMgr reports DSL is UP

TUE JUN 09 12:43:13 2009
LAN PC Unable to communicate with DNS Server. (error = 'connection timed out', count = 3)

TUE JUN 09 12:42:56 2009
WanMgr reports DSL is Down

TUE JUN 09 11:29:01 2009
DNS: Unknown host: 'vir-webdev.myhome.westell.com'

TUE JUN 09 11:29:00 2009
DNS: Unknown host: 'vir-webdev.myhome.westell.com'

TUE JUN 09 11:18:30 2009
DNS: Unknown host: 'dealloco.myhome.westell.com'

TUE JUN 09 11:18:30 2009
DNS: Unknown host: 'dealloco.myhome.westell.com'

TUE JUN 09 11:13:55 2009
CWMP: Final Http Return Code = 401

TUE JUN 09 11:13:55 2009
CWMP: Inform (401). The following events are true: 6 CONNECTION REQUEST

TUE JUN 09 11:13:55 2009
CWMP: TCP Connected, SSL Connection Succeeded, Auth Type = Basic

TUE JUN 09 11:12:36 2009
CWMP: Connection request from ACS 166.68.134.167 succeeded

TUE JUN 09 11:09:26 2009
CWMP: Inform (401). The following events are true: 6 CONNECTION REQUEST

TUE JUN 09 11:09:26 2009
CWMP: TCP Connected, SSL Connection Succeeded, Auth Type = Basic

TUE JUN 09 11:09:26 2009
CWMP: Connection request from ACS 166.68.134.174 succeeded

TUE JUN 09 11:09:12 2009
CWMP: Final Http Return Code = 204

TUE JUN 09 11:09:11 2009
CWMP: Inform (200). The following events are true: 0 BOOTSTRAP, 1 BOOT, 4 VALUE CHANGE

TUE JUN 09 11:09:11 2009
CWMP: TCP Connected, SSL Connection Succeeded, Auth Type = Basic

TUE JUN 09 11:09:10 2009
CWMP: Inform (401). The following events are true: 0 BOOTSTRAP, 1 BOOT, 4 VALUE CHANGE

TUE JUN 09 11:09:10 2009
CWMP: TCP Connected, SSL Connection Succeeded, Auth Type = Basic

TUE JUN 09 11:08:41 2009
External content downloaded

TUE JUN 09 11:08:41 2009
Setting System clock to Daylight Savings Time TUE JUN 09 11:08:39 2009

TUE JUN 09 11:08:41 2009
Time set from Primary SNTP server: tock.usno.navy.mil

TUE JUN 09 11:08:37 2009
PPP CONNECTED on VPI 0 VCI 35

TUE JUN 09 11:08:37 2009
Connecting session(0): My Connection due to AlwaysOn

TUE JUN 09 11:06:08 2009
US Atten: 20.0 DS Atten: 34.0

TUE JUN 09 11:06:08 2009
US Margin: 13.0 DS Margin: 21.0

TUE JUN 09 11:06:08 2009
US Tx Power: 11.9 DS Tx Power: 14.4

TUE JUN 09 11:06:08 2009
US DSL Rate: 864 kbits/sec DS DSL Rate: 3360 kbits/sec

TUE JUN 09 11:06:08 2009
WanMgr reports DSL is UP

TUE JUN 09 11:05:52 2009
Model number: B90-327W15-06

TUE JUN 09 11:05:52 2009
Software version: VER:4.04.03.00

TUE JUN 09 11:05:52 2009
Product: WireSpeed Data Gateway
Model: 4 Port Gateway

end of diagnostic log file

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Tue, 09 Jun 2009 16:36:50 EDT

Smith6612 : Could you post up your logs from the modem after a disconnect? I don't see anything in those line stats that would indicate a problem.
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Tue, 09 Jun 2009 15:46:35 EDT

Rwin : On Fastpath now, but I get disconnected regularly. Anything I can do about it?

Transceiver Revision: 7.2.3.0
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT Mode
Data Path: Fast

Transceiver Information Downstream Path Upstream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 3360 864
Margin (dB) 16.5 13.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 33.5 20.0
Transmit Power (dBm) 9.4 11.9

Downstream margin is usually around 13.5 and might drop to 11. Upstream margin lowest was 10 . I think I'm connected to the NID now, but might move comp to another room. Traced a wire from the gray box to a jack inside the house and plugged into there.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Mon, 01 Jun 2009 20:04:26 EDT

FarmerMike : I'll update if I can actually get 7.1 from the RT. Since my RT is fiber fed, it should not be a problem, assuming the DSL hardware can do it (brand new cabinet, should have the latest hardware). The techs told me some RTs are fed with multiple copper T1s, and I could see that limiting 7.1, but with the fiber, I have a small central office sitting here 50' from my barn.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Mon, 01 Jun 2009 18:10:50 EDT

Smith6612 : When it comes down to it, yes FastPath can be undone is pretty much seconds. Really, you are in distance based on the attenuation for FastPath with the 7.1Mbps speed. My guess is your copper line is degraded, so if you'd like to try getting Verizon to put you on a new line pair before turning down your speed, then that might work. See if you can do that.

@Farmer: You must have an RT/DSLAM sitting on your lawn, that attenuation is crazy low! FastPath and speeds higher than 7.1Mbps are very possible :)
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Mon, 01 Jun 2009 17:58:29 EDT

Jodokast96 : Those are probably the best stats ever seen here on any connection. Fastpath is a definite, and if they offer it, 7.1 as well. There are rumors about that 7.1 is not available to customers fed from an RT.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Mon, 01 Jun 2009 17:40:11 EDT

dietro :

said by Smith6612 :

Well ok, I see that the line is still not synced correcty, but if you want to risk lowering speed a little more or making the line unstable, you can get FastPath. I'm not recommending it nor would others here recommend getting it until you can get the line synced properly with a good enough margin.

I really have no idea about any of this, but I have been struggling with game latency for months now. If I choose a slower speed package, and lower my download speed, would I improve my line sync?

I believe I'd like to try it one way or another at this point. If you say it only takes a matter of minutes, would it be as easy to undo if it results in major issues?

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Mon, 01 Jun 2009 16:23:05 EDT

anon : Finally got DSL to our rural farm. Used PA BFRR program, remote terminal in on my land only a couple of hundred feet from the house. VZ only offering 3 MB service (or lower), but looks like I am also on interleaved (35 ms latency). So with these stats could I talk VZ into giving me 7.1 MB and fastpath ? The RT is fiber fed, only serving 120 homes and less than 25 DSL customers. 7.1 is offered in town, where our fiber comes from. ActionTec GT704-BW-B router

DSL Mode Setting: Auto
DSL Negotiated Mode: ADSL2+
Connection Status: ShowTime --- What's this mean ?
Speed (down/up): 3360 / 862 Kbps
ATM QoS class: UBR
Output Power (Downstream/Upstream): 12.8 / 0.0 dBm
Attainable Rate (Downstream/Upstream): 27408 / 1364 Kbps
HEC Errors (Downstream/Upstream): 0/0
OCD Errors (Downstream/Upstream): 0/0
LCD Errors (Downstream/Upstream): 0/0
SNR Margin (Downstream/Upstream): 33.0 / 15.5 dB
Attenuation (Downstream/Upstream): 2.5 / 2.6 dB

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sat, 30 May 2009 20:43:43 EDT

Smith6612 : Well ok, I see that the line is still not synced correcty, but if you want to risk lowering speed a little more or making the line unstable, you can get FastPath. I'm not recommending it nor would others here recommend getting it until you can get the line synced properly with a good enough margin.
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sat, 30 May 2009 17:10:35 EDT

dietro : without filter or phoneline - direct to wall

Line State Up
Modulation ADSL2
Data Path Interleave

Transceiver Information
Downstream Path Upstream Path
DSL Sync Rate (Kbits/Sec) 7036 509
SN Margin (dB) 15.20 8.30
Line Attenuation (dB) 15.60 8.20
CRC Errors 0 0

Same results when tested at NID

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sat, 30 May 2009 16:31:39 EDT

Smith6612 : Your SNR is a bit low for FastPath. Also, the line is out of sync. If you have a NID, can you plug your modem into that and pull the DSL line stats while plugged into the NID? If the line looks good enough at the NID, then we can continue from there.
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sat, 30 May 2009 13:38:33 EDT

dietro : Can I get fastpath? Do I want to? I game, and hate my latency.

Motorloa 2210

Line State Up
Modulation ADSL2
Data Path Interleave

Transceiver Information
Downstream Path Upstream Path
DSL Sync Rate (Kbits/Sec) 7038 509
SN Margin (dB) 8.90 6.30
Line Attenuation (dB) 15.50 8.20
CRC Errors 0 0

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sat, 30 May 2009 10:58:37 EDT

Smith6612 : Line's looking good despite the upstream margin which is expected to be that low. If it remains stable, then congrats :). Verizon basically has you synced at the near limit of ADSL/G.DMT mode.
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Fri, 29 May 2009 23:30:31 EDT

Jodokast96 : Yup.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Fri, 29 May 2009 23:29:09 EDT

tr0gd0r3 : Transceiver Information Downstream Path Upstream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 7840 864
Margin (dB) 13.5 6.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 29.0 16.0
Transmit Power (dBm) 19.6 11.8

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Fri, 29 May 2009 23:19:37 EDT

Smith6612 : What do your line stats look line? Just wondering.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Fri, 29 May 2009 21:15:08 EDT

tr0gd0r3 : I switched over to fastpath and now Im syncing higher than before.

Before

DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 7616 864

After

DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 7840 864

Weird, and my downloads are faster too. WOOT!

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Fri, 29 May 2009 15:28:52 EDT

Smith6612 : That line should be ok for FastPath.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Fri, 29 May 2009 10:49:27 EDT

tr0gd0r3 : I just got moved onto 7.1mbit and wanted to know if these stats are good enough for fastpath.

Transceiver Revision: 7.2.3.0
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT Mode
Data Path: Interleaved

Transceiver Information Downstream Path Upstream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 7616 864
Margin (dB) 14.5 11.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 28.5 16.0
Transmit Power (dBm) 16.8 11.9

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 28 May 2009 17:00:43 EDT

anon : thx for fast reply

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 28 May 2009 16:42:01 EDT

Smith6612 : Your attenuation is quite high with the transmit power being maxed out. Pretty much that is the best move if the logs are showing a loss of sync. However the margins are ok there, not the greatest though.
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 28 May 2009 16:37:18 EDT

anon : hi im was wondering if u could look at my stats i have the 7mb plan now. but i loss conection alot was wondering if u could tell me if i should switch back to the 3mb plan.
Transceiver Revision: 7.2.3.0
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: ADSL2+ Mode
Data Path: Interleaved

Transceiver Information Downstream Path Upstream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 5883 863
Margin (dB) 13.0 12.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 48.0 28.0
Transmit Power (dBm) 19.3 12.1

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Mon, 25 May 2009 15:38:58 EDT

Smith6612 : Basically the NID is a demarcation point from Verizon's copper network to your home's copper wiring.
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Mon, 25 May 2009 14:29:11 EDT

coolboy0286 : NID = box with all the thingies?

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Mon, 25 May 2009 13:35:29 EDT

Smith6612 : the margins are a bit low, but I think that line may also have a noise issue someplace with a bad wire. The upstream attenuation is pretty low where as the downstream attenuation is pretty high. If you have a NID, plug the modem into the test jack found in there and pull the stats again, then post them up.
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Mon, 25 May 2009 11:45:42 EDT

coolboy0286 : Transceiver Revision: 7.1.254
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT-Mode
Data Path: Interleaved
Transceiver Information Down Stream Path Up Stream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 3360 800
Margin (db) 7.5 12.0
Line Attenuation (db) 53.5 18.5
Transmit Power (db/Hz) 16.0 11.0

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sat, 23 May 2009 21:05:32 EDT

Smith6612 : That line is no good one bit. You need to improve those margins quite a bit as the upload is synced extremely low and the download is not even synced right, but you are certainly in range to get the full speed with FastPath. If you have a NID, plug your modem into the test jack of the NID, and post up the stats again. The NID is a gray box which can be found on the outside of your home. It joins up Verizon's copper network to your home's copper network.
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sat, 23 May 2009 20:33:34 EDT

frc_kid : Transceiver Revision: 7.2.3.0
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT Mode
Data Path: Interleaved

Transceiver Information Downstream Path Upstream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 3200 192
Margin (dB) 13.0 10.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 36.0 22.0
Transmit Power (dBm) 19.5 11.8

1. Am I good for fast path?
2. Should a call to Verizon be all I need to do?

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 21 May 2009 20:46:14 EDT

Smith6612 : Fastpath? Yes. 7.1Mbps? No.

Per switching back, though they warn you that once you change you can't go back, you can. Interleaved and FAST modes are interchangeable with the click of a button so to speak.
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 21 May 2009 18:21:11 EDT

anon : Transceiver Revision: 01.00.09.00
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT Mode
Data Path: Interleaved
Transceiver Information Down Stream Path Up Stream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 3360 864
Margin (dB) 14.5 12.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 38.5 24.0
Transmit Power (dBm) 16.7 10.8

I have three questions:
1. Fastpath capable?
2. 7 Mbps capable?
3. If fastpath gives me problems, am I SOL? Or am I allowed to switch back should that be that case?

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 21 May 2009 08:13:16 EDT

Jodokast96 : Use which one is giving you better stats and stability. Actually, I jumped the gun a bit, and it is possible that one of the modems might report slightly better stats that may get you where you want to be.

Getting 5.0 shouldn't be too hard, but you never know what kind of phone rep you'll get. Try starting with billing. Just be aware that the price won't change. 5.0 isn't a lower tier, just a lower provisioning of the 7.1 tier for those too far to get the max speeds reliably.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 21 May 2009 07:07:12 EDT

Pizz : thanks jodo, to get the 5/768 do i ask for it in the direct forum, or do i gotta do something on my end. also i have 2 modems, one is a 7500 and the other is a 6100 - which one you think i should use?

thanks again =)
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Wed, 20 May 2009 23:46:52 EDT

Jodokast96 : Probably can't. You are pushing the distance for 7.1 which is why the Margin and sync are low. Your options are to stay as you are or drop to 5/768 and then go for Fastpath. If your connection is stable, I'd stick with the 7.1 even if you can't quite get full sync. If it's not stable then drop the speed.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Wed, 20 May 2009 23:34:42 EDT

Pizz : ok jodo, i wonder how i can get my margin on the DS side up :(
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Wed, 20 May 2009 22:40:09 EDT

nypcdoc8 : ok, sorry, I had just system selected. Here is ALL:

All Entries CURRENT MODEM STATUS DSL Modem Status....... Up PPP Session Status...... Up Connection Type......... PPPoE Time set from............. Daylight Savings Time since last boot.... 19 days, 20 hrs: 32 mins: 15 secsEVENTS**********************************************************************Events are listed starting from the most recent.
**********************************************************************WED MAY 20 22:25:03 2009
DNS: Unknown host: 'wpad'

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WED MAY 20 22:24:58 2009
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WED MAY 20 22:17:30 2009
External content downloaded

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DNS: Unknown host: 'www.t-valsales.com'

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DNS: Unknown host: 'www.t-valsales.com'

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DNS: Recevied invalid DNS request from 192.168.1.46 'Query expected not response'

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end of diagnostic log file

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Wed, 20 May 2009 22:35:15 EDT

Smith6612 : Is that the only thing that has shown up in the system log under the "All" category? Considering the modem has been booted for 20 days it should have more than that unless you clear it.
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It's all fun and games in a Team Fortress 2 battle until your sentry gun is sapped by the Spycrab!

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Wed, 20 May 2009 22:33:51 EDT

nypcdoc8 : Thanks for the quick reply...If I'm reading this correctly, things seem fine? If so then what in the world could cause the drops?

System Entries CURRENT MODEM STATUS DSL Modem Status....... Up PPP Session Status...... Up Connection Type......... PPPoE Time set from............. Daylight Savings Time since last boot.... 19 days, 20 hrs: 26 mins: 11 secsEVENTS**********************************************************************Events are listed starting from the most recent.
**********************************************************************WED MAY 20 22:17:30 2009
External content downloaded

end of diagnostic log file

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Wed, 20 May 2009 22:29:31 EDT

Smith6612 : Only way to tell for sure would be to go into the modem's System log and post it up. That'll show us if it's a resyncing issue or if it's a PPPoE issue. Your downstream sync is much higher than many other people here are set at for the 7.1Mbps speed, so you should be fortunate for that :)
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It's all fun and games in a Team Fortress 2 battle until your sentry gun is sapped by the Spycrab!

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Wed, 20 May 2009 22:25:42 EDT

Jodokast96 : Leave it. Your DS sync is off a bit as it is.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Wed, 20 May 2009 22:25:38 EDT

nypcdoc8 : Hello,

A few months ago I was switched to fastpath...since then it seems that I am intermittently disconnected from the internet. Also, ping response times are at least 100ms, depending on the destination. Can we tell if fastpath is the issue? Here are my tranceiver stats:

Transceiver Revision: 7.2.3.0
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: ADSL2+ Mode
Data Path: Fast

Transceiver Information Downstream Path Upstream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 7836 863
Margin (dB) 12.5 13.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 34.5 18.0
Transmit Power (dBm) 19.3 12.0

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Wed, 20 May 2009 20:45:52 EDT

Pizz :
Transceiver Revision: 7.2.3.0
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: ADSL2+ Mode
Data Path: Interleaved

Transceiver Information Downstream Path Upstream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 7422 863
Margin (dB) 8.5 10.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 35.0 18.0
Transmit Power (dBm) 19.3 12.1

tech came out and fix something, think i can get fastpath, or just stay as it is?
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Wed, 20 May 2009 05:45:44 EDT

Smith6612 : That line should be good to go for FastPath, and should also be good to go for 7.1Mbps if you ever want to get that.
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It's all fun and games in a Team Fortress 2 battle until your sentry gun is sapped by the Spycrab!

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Wed, 20 May 2009 03:35:25 EDT

tr0gd0r3 : FastPath and/or 7.1mbit?

DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 3360 864
Margin (dB) 31.0 N/A
Line Attenuation (dB) 24.5 N/A
Transmit Power (dBm) N/A N/A

(sorry my westell 2100 doesnt offer any more stats)

Thanks in advance

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Tue, 19 May 2009 21:02:50 EDT

Smith6612 : Your line will be fine. You're all set to go for FastPath.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Tue, 19 May 2009 19:41:40 EDT

Rwin : Am I able to get FastPath?

Transceiver Revision: 7.2.3.0
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT Mode
Data Path: Interleaved

Transceiver Information Downstream Path Upstream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 3360 864
Margin (dB) 17.5 12.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 33.0 20.0
Transmit Power (dBm) 7.4 11.9

Would download speeds take a hit if I switch? I use torrents as well and don't want to make them any slower, and would I get any problems with disconnecting? Connection has been stable so far.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Tue, 19 May 2009 17:50:36 EDT

Smith6612 : If you have another jack in the apartment try plugging the modem into that.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Tue, 19 May 2009 17:14:05 EDT

tr0gd0r3 : I dont have access to my NID because this is an apartment building. Can you give me anyway to clean up the margin?

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Tue, 19 May 2009 17:01:40 EDT

Smith6612 : If you can raise that upstream margin a little more as well as fix the sync on it (by finding ways to clean up the line. Plenty of instruction throughout this thread. First start by plugging your modem into your NID's test jack) then you'll be good to go.
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Tue, 19 May 2009 16:38:39 EDT

tr0gd0r3 : Are these stats good enough for fastpath?

Transceiver Revision: 7.2.3.0
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT Mode
Data Path: Interleaved

Transceiver Information Downstream Path Upstream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 3360 832
Margin (dB) 21.0 9.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 28.5 16.0
Transmit Power (dBm) 7.2 11.8

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Wed, 13 May 2009 18:42:39 EDT

Smith6612 : Just like Jodokast said, still a no go on the line, but your speeds did increase at the NID. Really if you want FastPath, you'll have to take a little bit of a speed hit. Seems to be a fairly long line there.
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Wed, 13 May 2009 17:47:02 EDT

Jodokast96 : Still no good. You want 3360/864 for speeds and at least 9/11 for the margins.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Wed, 13 May 2009 17:45:56 EDT

Dandy :

said by Dandy :

Transceiver Revision: 7.2.3.0
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT Mode
Data Path: Interleaved

Transceiver Information Downstream Path Upstream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 2336 768
Margin (dB) 6.0 10.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 47.5 31.5
Transmit Power (dBm) 16.7 11.9

thx

Transceiver Revision: 7.2.3.0
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT Mode
Data Path: Interleaved

Transceiver Information Downstream Path Upstream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 3168 800
Margin (dB) 6.0 9.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 48.5 31.5
Transmit Power (dBm) 17.3 11.9
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Wed, 13 May 2009 15:34:09 EDT

Smith6612 : No go for FastPath as the downstream is out of sync slightly with a low margin, but congrats on the upgrade :)
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Wed, 13 May 2009 13:48:39 EDT

Pizz : Just upgraded my line to 7.1 - What you think?

Transceiver Revision A2pB020b3.d19d
Vendor ID Code 4D54
Line Mode ADSL_G.dmt
Data Path INTERLEAVED

Transceiver Information Down Stream Path Up Stream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 7360 864
Margin (dB) 7.9 14.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 35.0 17.5
Transmit Power (dBm) 19.6 12.2
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Mon, 11 May 2009 15:04:48 EDT

Smith6612 : That line isn't properly synced and the margin is low. Proper sync rates are 3360 on the Downstream path, and 864 on the upstream. If you have a NID (typically a gray box that connects Verizon's network to your copper wiring), try plugging the modem into that to see if we can at least get the sync rate higher as well as the margins.
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Mon, 11 May 2009 14:51:14 EDT

Dandy : Transceiver Revision: 7.2.3.0
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT Mode
Data Path: Interleaved

Transceiver Information Downstream Path Upstream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 2336 768
Margin (dB) 6.0 10.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 47.5 31.5
Transmit Power (dBm) 16.7 11.9

thx
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Mon, 11 May 2009 05:39:50 EDT

Smith6612 : If you have a Westell modem, try visiting »192.168.1.1/transtat.htm . If you have an ActionTec, log into »192.168.1.1 , and look around for a page that states things such as the line attenuation, margins, sync rates, etc.
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Mon, 11 May 2009 02:28:43 EDT

Dandy : this might be a stupid question, but where can I find my own stats?

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sat, 09 May 2009 21:23:30 EDT

Smith6612 : Those stats are fine. If you're still having issues with high latency after the switch to FastPath, just let us know and we can help you out :)
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sat, 09 May 2009 18:30:58 EDT

anon : I've been having some latency issues with my 3/768 and was thinking of trying to switch to FastPath.
I was wondering if these line statistics would be good enough for FastPath.

Transceiver Revision: 7.2.3.0
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT Mode
Data Path: Interleaved

Transceiver Information Downstream Path Upstream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 3360 864
Margin (dB) 15.0 12.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 21.0 14.0
Transmit Power (dBm) 7.4 11.9

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sat, 09 May 2009 12:34:40 EDT

Tallman : Thanks for the analysis. My line stats stay pretty much the same no matter what speeds I register using speedtest.net but as you say that needs to be addressed in a new topic.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sat, 09 May 2009 01:37:16 EDT

Smith6612 : Not really. Though your line is maintaining proper sync rates right now, those margins are in the "do not touch" zone. Basically you want to be above 6dB of margin, and throwing FastPath on the line will drop the line to 6dB of margin. When the line seems slower than normal, post up those line stats in a topic and we can see if your slow downs are due to resyncing or due to congestion someplace.
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sat, 09 May 2009 00:36:58 EDT

Tallman : I currently have the 7.1 service but my connection speeds are quite variable. Here are my stats. Are they good enough for FastPath?

Transceiver Revision: 01.00.09.00
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT Mode
Data Path: Interleaved
Transceiver Information Down Stream Path Up Stream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 7616 864
Margin (dB) 8.5 10.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 42.5 25.0
Transmit Power (dBm) 17.0 10.4

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Fri, 08 May 2009 15:18:56 EDT

Smith6612 : No problem :)

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Fri, 08 May 2009 15:12:15 EDT

ericjwill : That was some snappy service.

Thanks!

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Fri, 08 May 2009 15:05:07 EDT

Smith6612 : That line should be fine for FastPath.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Fri, 08 May 2009 14:58:25 EDT

ericjwill : Would fastpath be doable with these levels? I had it at the old 1mbit tier but recently bumped to three.

Thanks!

Transceiver Revision: 7.1.254
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT-Mode
Data Path: Interleaved
Transceiver Information Down Stream Path Up Stream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 3360 864
Margin (db) 17.5 12.0
Line Attenuation (db) 42.0 18.5
Transmit Power (db/Hz) 11.0 11.0

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 07 May 2009 19:02:36 EDT

Smith6612 : You're a member here, so just visit the Verizon Direct forum on this site and ask for it there :)

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 07 May 2009 16:51:25 EDT

ptcaezza : Thanks for the quick reply.

Do I need to call Verizon and request it?
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 07 May 2009 16:46:50 EDT

Smith6612 : That line should handle FastPath just fine.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 07 May 2009 16:45:43 EDT

ptcaezza : I hope these are the correct stat's.

Transceiver Revision: 01.00.09.00
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT Mode
Data Path: Interleaved
Transceiver Information Down Stream Path Up Stream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 1184 448
Margin (dB) 14.0 18.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 48.5 31.5
Transmit Power (dBm) 16.7 11.1
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 07 May 2009 16:41:08 EDT

Smith6612 : That line is good to go for FastPath.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 07 May 2009 13:32:16 EDT

jdubau55 : ADSL Link Downstream Upstream
Connection Speed 3360 kbps 863 kbps
Line Attenuation 37.0 db 17.5 db
Noise Margin 23.6 db 16.8 db

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Mon, 04 May 2009 16:40:56 EDT

Smith6612 : Pretty much, yes. If the modem is bridged you may need to unbridge it by resetting it or assign your PC a static IP address within the modem's normal range.
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Mon, 04 May 2009 15:16:50 EDT

Lud : 198.168.1.1 transfer me to a linksys router setup page. Should I plug the dsl directly to my pc?

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sat, 02 May 2009 20:25:31 EDT

Smith6612 : Typically the default username for the modem is admin/password , admin/admin, admin/password1 , or your Verizon e-mail username and password. I don't know if that particular Westell modem has a different firmware layout, but once you log into it at 192.168.1.1 , go to System Monitoring, Advanced Monitors, go through prompt, and then go to Transceiver Stats.
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sat, 02 May 2009 00:12:53 EDT

Lud : Hmmm I got a red page with a error 404.
I believe the user/pw is admin/admin?

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Fri, 01 May 2009 23:43:38 EDT

Smith6612 : Try »192.168.1.1/transtat.htm and see what that shows.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Fri, 01 May 2009 23:16:27 EDT

Lud : I have a Westell Modem, Model B90-36R515-01 Rev F

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Fri, 01 May 2009 22:34:46 EDT

Smith6612 : All depends. Your attenuation looks normal (upstream is half of downstream), so I wouldn't go for it, as it looks like your upstream has already lost a little bit of speed simply due to the line length. It is unlikely but possible for the pole to home drop to be bad.

@Lud: What modem do you have?
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Fri, 01 May 2009 21:22:02 EDT

Lud : Hi guys, today I was looking to switching to fast path and wasn't sure if it's a good idea. May I ask where do you find these stats? I'm new to this, thanks

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Fri, 01 May 2009 19:25:42 EDT

anon : Smith6612,

Thanks for the feedback. I checked where the line came in, and ran a single line to my modem, with 1 only 1 connection between them (dont have a standard phone connector to use)

My numbers are a little different today:

Transceiver Revision: 7.2.3.0
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: ADSL2+ Mode
Data Path: Interleaved

Transceiver Information Downstream Path Upstream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 3355 851
Margin (dB) 12.0 9.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 49.0 28.5
Transmit Power (dBm) 18.3 12.0

Still not much different tho. The only other thing I can think of is running a cleaner line directly from the source to my modem, bypassing the one phone jack I installed.

Still, I dont think I'll get much out of it. Could this be an issue of the line running from the pole to my house?

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Fri, 01 May 2009 19:18:47 EDT

cleatherman : I live out of town about 1 mile. so there are no street lights that i know of. And this only started happening after i switched to fastpath. and there are no electronics that are turning on at that time and its not at the same time every night it just happens sometime during the night when im on world of warcraft.

and sometimes i can catch it and see the modem stats before it re syncs and the DS margin hits like -7 then when it comes back on the speed stays the same and its at like 10 or 11 on the DS margin.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Fri, 01 May 2009 16:43:07 EDT

Smith6612 : Does the resyncing take place at the same time every night, and does it correlate with anything such as Street lamps/devices in your home coming on?

@Corebot: Your margins are a bit low to put FastPath on that line. If you could, can you try plugging your modem into your home's NID (a gray box typically on the side of your home) and send the stats hooked up to the NID? If the margins are better at the NID, then we can work from there. If not, then there's really nothing you can do besides bumping down the speed and then asking FastPath, or ask for FastPath at it's current state and possibly risk some instability.
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Fri, 01 May 2009 01:29:33 EDT

cleatherman : Ok so i got switched to fast path i would say about 2 to 3 weeks ago and every night even though my DS margin is at like 10 or 11 i will loose sync right in the middle of wow and then i have to reset modem and it comes back on right were it was synced before and is just fine the rest of the night but every night this happens. So i really cant have this happening so i was wondering since they said we can not switch back. What if you need to switch back to interleave. And also it didn't really help my ping in wow i think that is just a normal 200-300 ms delay.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Fri, 01 May 2009 00:21:53 EDT

anon : Here are my stats. Just got DSL set up today, it's slow compared to the cable service I just left. Hoping to speed things up:
Transceiver Information Downstream Path Upstream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 3355 855
Margin (dB) 8.5 9.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 48.0 28.0
Transmit Power (dBm) 17.9 12.1

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 30 Apr 2009 18:05:17 EDT

Smith6612 : It should be almost instant. As soon as they see the thread and you give them the OK after they warn you about not being able to switch back, as soon as they see the OK, it should come on within 30 seconds.
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 30 Apr 2009 17:40:38 EDT

csstaticx : How long does it normally take to switch.. I posted on VZ direct, they opened a ticket and its been 8 days since then and I am still interleaved.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 30 Apr 2009 15:42:54 EDT

Smith6612 : Typically at a margin of 10dB on the upstream is where lines start to begin losing sync and, and though the line is synced without issues right now, and the downstream margin is sufficient, what really makes me shy away from FastPath is the upstream margin as well as the attenuation on the line itself (pretty much the farthest limit for 3Mbps service). You can go for it if you want to risk stability on the line, but I wouldn't do it personally.
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 30 Apr 2009 09:52:56 EDT

Bluetrue : My upload margin was 6 but it seems to have improved. Should I now switch to fastpath?

Transceiver Revision: 7.2.3.0
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT Mode
Data Path: Interleaved

Transceiver Information Downstream Path Upstream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 3360 864
Margin (dB) 15.0 10.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 50.0 29.5
Transmit Power (dBm) 13.9 11.8

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Tue, 28 Apr 2009 06:15:44 EDT

Smith6612 : Yes you can :)

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Mon, 27 Apr 2009 23:54:13 EDT

dudenj : Below are my stats, can i be switched to FastPath? Thanks in advance.

Transceiver Statistics

Transceiver Revision: 7.2.3.0
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT Mode
Data Path: Interleaved

Transceiver Information
Downstream Path Upstream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 3360 864
Margin (dB) 16.5 17.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 25.5 13.0
Transmit Power (dBm) 7.6 11.7

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Fri, 24 Apr 2009 22:21:06 EDT

Smith6612 : No problem :) If you ever did need FastPath like crazy, if you bump your download down a bit it may leave some room for FastPath. As per the upload side, not sure.
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Fri, 24 Apr 2009 22:15:48 EDT

kdcasey : It is as I suspected due to my residence being on the fringe of the DSL service area, I am not going to be able to improve my Internet connection. Thank you for your assistance. -Kevin

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Fri, 24 Apr 2009 21:56:12 EDT

Smith6612 : That is quite a long line, considering the attenuation is at 62.5dB. With a margin of 11, I would assume that at that distance, the upstream margin is just as bad, but if you want to see if you can get a better chance of getting FastPath, try plugging your modem into your home's NID and then pulling up the stats and posting them.
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Fri, 24 Apr 2009 21:16:43 EDT

kdcasey : Excellent Response! Here is what I got...

[Administration]
Modem Software Version Info
Current: VER:01.00.35 Dual Connect Bridge
Previous: N/A N/A
Boot: VER:01.00.10
Modem Model #: A90-210015-04
Modem Serial # 02B412081029
Transceiver Version: MR7 07.01.254 TI MR7 Modem Image M

[DSL]
Line Statistics Upstream Downstream
Noise Margin [dB]: N/A 11.0
Output Power [dB]: N/A N/A
Attenuation [dBm]: N/A 62.5
Data Rate [kbits/s]: 160 1792
Error Counters
FEC Errors: 5289
CRC Errors: 2
HEC Errors: 0
Signal Lost: 0
Frame Loss: 0

[ATM]
Rx User Traffic Cell Count: 750291
Tx User Traffic Cell Count: 123223
Invalid or dropped cells: 0
OAM/Control Cell Count: N/A
0/21 Loopback: 0
Encapsulation Type: Bridge
Rx AAL PDU: 34271
Tx AAL PDU: 24230

[Ethernet]
Rx Frames: 139
Tx Frames: 206
Discarded Frames: 0

Is this good enough for FastPath?

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Fri, 24 Apr 2009 19:12:25 EDT

Smith6612 : A 2100 should support FastPath without issues. To get the stats from the 2100, see this FAQ.

»Verizon Online DSL FAQ »What is the Westell Modem Browser and how can I interpret it's results?
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Fri, 24 Apr 2009 18:29:07 EDT

kdcasey : I want FastPath so I decided to interrogate my Westell WireSpeed A90-210015-04 for transceiver statistics. I can't find any documentation for this device. I am fairly certain it is running in bridge mode as I use it in front of a Cisco ASA 5500. Verizon chat support had me using a browser which did not work. I don't even think this modem has a web server. Do I need a Westell 6100 to support FastPath and if not, is there a way to retrieve the transceiver stats from a Westell 2100?

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Wed, 22 Apr 2009 16:52:57 EDT

Jodokast96 : Lucky SOB, lol!

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Wed, 22 Apr 2009 13:17:44 EDT

cleatherman : So i just got a call from verizon and they just switched me over to fastpath and they upped my download speed to which is weird. Here are my current stats

Mode: G.DMT
Type: Fast
Line Coding: Trellis On
Status: No Defect
Link Power State: L0

Downstream Upstream
SNR Margin (dB): 12.3 13.0
Attenuation (dB): 36.0 23.0
Output Power (dBm): 19.7 11.9
Attainable Rate (Kbps): 9536 1172
Rate (Kbps): 7840 864

and i did a speed test and this is what i got
»www.speedtest.net/result/457887818.png

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Wed, 22 Apr 2009 05:20:00 EDT

Jodokast96 : I'd leave it alone.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Wed, 22 Apr 2009 00:50:18 EDT

elpique : Here are my stats:

Transceiver Revision: 7.2.3.0
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT Mode
Data Path: Interleaved

Transceiver Information Downstream Path Upstream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 7616 864
Margin (dB) 10.0 11.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 26.5 16.0
Transmit Power (dBm) 19.7 11.9

Will I be able to switch over to FastPath? Thanks for your help!

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Mon, 20 Apr 2009 05:23:10 EDT

Smith6612 : That line is no good for FastPath. The Downstream Margin is already a bit low, and the upstream side isn't synced properly (which is why you're getting the interruptions). Really, if your attenuation is correct you are at the dead fringe of 3Mbps service. Try plugging your modem into your NID and getting the stats there to see if things look better.
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Mon, 20 Apr 2009 02:36:31 EDT

CHR : Here's my stats please:

Transceiver Revision: 7.2.3.0
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT Mode
Data Path: Interleaved

Transceiver Information Downstream Path Upstream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 3360 672
Margin (dB) 7.0 11.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 51.5 31.5
Transmit Power (dBm) 17.0 11.7

Actually, I'm thinking about switching to cable already. I'm experiencing too much interruptions (several a day).

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Fri, 17 Apr 2009 09:52:04 EDT

Smith6612 : Hmm, in that case then, though you *may* get by with the 3Mbps package, it's not suggested based on your margins. Really the only thing you can get for sure is FastPath for reduced line latency.
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Fri, 17 Apr 2009 08:51:43 EDT

Hank8015 : It is plugged into the NID. A dedicated DSL line only. The tech even took out the half ringer.
Always room for more SPEED! The kids demand it.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 16 Apr 2009 20:10:59 EDT

Smith6612 : You are pretty far from the exhange based on the attenuation, but you could get FastPath with that. If you want to see if you can get FastPath, plug your modem into the NID if possible and pull the line stats from there. Your line stats suggest 2.5 miles from the exchange in wire.
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 16 Apr 2009 19:11:59 EDT

Hank8015 : Transceiver Revision: 7.2.3.0
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: ADSL2+ Mode
Data Path: Interleaved

Transceiver Information Downstream Path Upstream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 1787 447
Margin (dB) 14.0 22.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 53.5 35.5
Transmit Power (dBm) 16.0 11.9
What do you think ? I`d like to get the 3.0 but they said I was 1.5 miles away. I`m at the end of the loop.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 16 Apr 2009 17:15:32 EDT

Smith6612 : Yes, that line is good to go for FastPath as well as higher speeds should you ask as well.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 16 Apr 2009 17:14:30 EDT

csstaticx : Transceiver Revision A2pB020b3.d20h
Vendor ID Code 4D54
Line Mode ADSL_G.dmt
Data Path INTERLEAVED

Transceiver Information Down Stream Path Up Stream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 1184 448
Margin (dB) 30.1 25.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 31.0 17.0
Transmit Power (dBm) 7.2 11.9

Good for FP?

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 16 Apr 2009 12:33:43 EDT

Jqnflcn : Thanks!!

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 16 Apr 2009 12:29:23 EDT

Smith6612 : Well, the margins are affected by really three things, and all of these things tie in with each other.

1: Distance- longer distance, lower margins
2: Speed- Lower margins for a speed based on distance as well
3: Noise- degraded wiring or high gauge wiring will cause the margins to fall faster and vary a lot more.

Also ADSL2+ is an upgrade to the line itself. You may have a hard time getting Verizon to give it to you but it is a free thing to do.
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 16 Apr 2009 12:24:57 EDT

Jqnflcn : Thanks Smith6612.

- What could be the cause(s) for the low downstram margin?
- ADSL2+: is that an upgrade or just a different service from VZ?

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 16 Apr 2009 12:18:03 EDT

Smith6612 : That line is pretty much as good as it's going to get, unless you add ADSL2+ to it then you can at least improve the margins of it as the downstream margin is quite low.
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Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath???

Thu, 16 Apr 2009 11:55:19 EDT

Jqnflcn : I was wondering if you could tell me if my line is really optimized based on my stats (how do you read them)?

Using Speedtest, I average 900 to 1M download (occasionally it drops to 500-700k), 350-380k upload. Latency though has always been around 85ms (never lower)at 50 miles from my house (test server). I had signed up for the 3M/768k package, but was not working (line dropping, low speeds when I did the self install).

A VZ technician came (very nice/professional) and told me that it was best to go down to the 1M/384. Since I also have the phone service, he put a filter at the NID for the phones, and ran a direct DSL connection to my modem.

Since then (~ 2 weeks ago)it has been close to those speeds, but seing all the comments here, I just wanted to get a second opinion that this is a good quality/optimized connection and that the 3M speed is not a good idea for my line. Also a little education on what the stats tell you (distance, quality, acceptable values, etc.) would be great.

Main Transceiver Stats
Transceiver Statistics
Transceiver Revision A2pB020b3.d20h
Vendor ID Code 4D54
Line Mode ADSL_G.dmt
Data Path INTERLEAVED

Transceiver Information Down Stream Path Up Stream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 1184 448
Margin (dB) 4.3 15.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 63.5 31.5
Transmit Power (dBm) 13.9 11.9

Thank you so much!

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Wed, 15 Apr 2009 12:54:18 EDT

Smith6612 : You can always go back should you ever needed to, but the Direct people are pretty much saying that if you're going to ask for FastPath, you better make sure you know what you're asking for as they won't switch you back. Basically, just as long as your margins are fine, you shouldn't have to worry about anything.

Just as a heads up, FastPath typically takes 1-2dB of margin off of the line.
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Wed, 15 Apr 2009 12:30:57 EDT

cleatherman : Is fastpath really a one time thing if it doesn't work out i cant switch back i posted in the direct forums and this is what they sent i can still switch but if it doesn't work out i want to be able to switch back.

The change to Fast Path is a one time change. The service cannot be switched back to Interleave. We want to ensure you have fully educated yourself before requesting this change.

Why is Fast Path a One Time Switch?
Our network and maintenance office would prefer that you remain on Interleave. We are very happy to accommodate our gaming customers, but are not responsible for network issues arising from switching. In other words, your connection is set to Interleave for a reason.
We encourage you to remain on interleave because that is our technology going forward. Interleave has been tested by our maintenance engineers, and continues to provide an overall more stable DSL experience. If your DSL line statistics do not support your speed package with Fast Path, our maintenance office will make any necessary adjustments to your DSL line, including the possibility of lowering your DSL speed package.

Why should I stay on Interleave?
DSL is sensitive to Loop Length, and latency. We try to provide the fastest, and most error free connection, at the longest Loop Length possible to accommodate the most customers we can. As our technology improves, it becomes more and more likely, that Fast Path will not function correctly on a consumer DSL line. This is due to technical/software incompatibilities, and physical accommodations.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Wed, 15 Apr 2009 08:34:15 EDT

Smith6612 : Getting a new moeldem will most likely not fix the low transmit power on the downstream. Typically the DSLAM and the modem during syncing will negotiate the best transmit power it thinks will be good. Really, try plugping your modem into your NID to see if the stats improve any.

Also, FastPath is simply a DSLAM setting. It can be turned on within 10 seconds of asking and you can have it as soon as the setting is changed and the modem resyncs (typically a minute this entire thing takes).
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Wed, 15 Apr 2009 07:07:55 EDT

bdameron : after you contact vz direct and they open a ticket to do the fast path how long of a process is this, it sounds like they could possibly send someone to my home and that sounds like it could take a wile

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Tue, 14 Apr 2009 23:00:51 EDT

dbs179 : Smith, not to take this thread of topic, how do I fix that? New modem maybe?

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Tue, 14 Apr 2009 22:44:03 EDT

Smith6612 : The NID test should show if there is a way for you to clean up your line. What is not right though is your downstream transmit power, which is unusually low.
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Tue, 14 Apr 2009 22:01:10 EDT

dbs179 : Hi all. I just got my DSL hooked up yesterday and found this thread. It looks like I am already on FastPath, but from what I have read it looks like my Margins are low? If so would doing the NID test you spoke of tell me if I can improve it by working on the internal wiring in my home?

Transceiver Revision: 7.2.3.0
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT Mode
Data Path: Fast

Transceiver Information Downstream Path Upstream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 3360 864
Margin (dB) 4.5 6.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 35.5 18.0
Transmit Power (dBm) 1.2 10.7

Thanks
Dave

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Tue, 14 Apr 2009 14:34:04 EDT

Smith6612 : A margin of 8 is still OK. It's when you hit 6dB and below is when you may see issues, but I have seen DSL run at margins of roughly 2dB with FastPath many times and it's held stabally. Otherwise, that line is fine for FastPath in my opinion.
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Tue, 14 Apr 2009 13:05:42 EDT

cleatherman : I was wondering if i could get on fastpath.

Mode: G.DMT
Type: Interleave
Line Coding: Trellis On
Status: No Defect
Link Power State: L0

Downstream Upstream
SNR Margin (dB): 12.3 13.0
Attenuation (dB): 36.0 23.0
Output Power (dBm): 19.8 11.9
Attainable Rate (Kbps): 9848 1172
Rate (Kbps): 7616 864

the only thing that would worry me is that at night my downstream margin will go down to 8 sometimes.

I just reset my modem and my downstream margin went up to 13.5. would you have any idea why it fluctuates so much i have seen it as high as 16 but then it always goes down at night.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sun, 12 Apr 2009 21:29:13 EDT

Smith6612 : No problem :)

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sun, 12 Apr 2009 21:24:43 EDT

bdameron : ok i dont know how to contact anybody else on here as this is my first day finding you guys but thanks for the help

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sun, 12 Apr 2009 21:13:04 EDT

Smith6612 : Yeah, really I wouldn't know if it won't let you log in while plugged into the modem directly, but if you wanted to, you can visit the Verizon Direct forum on this website and you can ask them to set you to FastPath anyways if you aren't already set there. You'll be running the risk of making the margins on the line drop to a low point, but if you want to see if you can lower your pings, might as well go for it.

As a last attempt though, if you were to reset your modem back to factory defaults, you can log into the modem using admin/password as the login and then after setting up your connection again so that you can connect, should be able to get those Transceiver stats from the modem.
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sun, 12 Apr 2009 20:57:42 EDT

bdameron : yes i have tried all of that and i cannot log in, i tried to call verizon to change this and they have no idea what im talking about

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sun, 12 Apr 2009 16:17:53 EDT

Smith6612 : Tried admin/password1 or your Verizon username and password at all? That should do the trick. Also try admin/admin.
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sun, 12 Apr 2009 12:58:55 EDT

bdameron : im getting a 401 auth error so i guess i dont know what im doin

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sun, 12 Apr 2009 12:43:31 EDT

bdameron : by the way my modem model is a westell f-90 610015-06

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sun, 12 Apr 2009 12:40:30 EDT

bdameron : my download is 2.86 upload .69, server is 50 miles from me and ping is 104 ms, i cannot log into the other thing u wanted me to do i keep getting acces error

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sun, 12 Apr 2009 12:12:01 EDT

Smith6612 : If you have a Westell modem, can you visit the below page and post up the info shown below? You cannot be behind a router to do this or on a modem such as a Westell 2100 or an ActionTec.

»192.168.1.1/transtat.htm

If you have another modem though, just post up what modem it is and we can help you get the info. Also, the username and password if it asks you for such info should be admin/password . Keep entering that in if you haven't logged into your modem at all in order to obtain a password change screen.

Could you also post up a speed test from www.speedtest.net to the closest server to you?
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Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sun, 12 Apr 2009 11:35:11 EDT

bdameron : hello im new here and this is my first try with dsl and i game so my pings have been horrible and verizon seems to know nothing about ping, how can i get fast path or see if i can i have the 3 m speed, any help thanks

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Wed, 08 Apr 2009 06:18:36 EDT

Smith6612 : That line should be OK and should not take a hit on the upload.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Wed, 08 Apr 2009 00:19:41 EDT

anon : DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 3360 864
Margin (dB) 15.0 11.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 46.0 31.0
Transmit Power (dBm) 16.1 11.9
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Good to go Fastpath? or is my upload likely to take a hit?

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Tue, 07 Apr 2009 21:37:20 EDT

Smith6612 : The line does have proper sync right now. Given that line it may be OK to go, but because of the Upstream having a margin of 9, expect it to maybe drop to 6dB which is pretty much the minimum of where you want it to go. See if someone else here posts up their opinion of it.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Tue, 07 Apr 2009 20:07:46 EDT

Jovu : just installed a potsfilter dsl splitter and new line. Here are the stats. Am I ok for fastpath now? Or am I still having problems? Thanks for your help.

Transceiver Revision: 7.2.3.0
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT Mode
Data Path: Interleaved

Transceiver Information Downstream Path Upstream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 3360 864
Margin (dB) 13.5 9.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 46.5 28.0
Transmit Power (dBm) 15.4 11.8

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sun, 05 Apr 2009 14:39:07 EDT

Smith6612 : For the full 7.1Mbps, not really sure but you may be able to squeak by with that. It should be at least good for 5.0Mbps though.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sun, 05 Apr 2009 13:40:25 EDT

IntelCeleron :

said by Smith6612 :

That line should be fine for FastPath :)

How about 7.1? And thanks for all the help you give around here!

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sun, 05 Apr 2009 13:18:23 EDT

Smith6612 : That line should be fine for FastPath :)

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sun, 05 Apr 2009 12:59:13 EDT

IntelCeleron : Good for Fastpath and/or 7.1?

Transceiver Revision: 7.2.3.0
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: ADSL2+ Mode
Data Path: Interleaved

Transceiver Information Downstream Path Upstream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 3355 863
Margin (dB) 18.0 12.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 38.0 19.5
Transmit Power (dBm) 18.5 12.1

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sat, 04 Apr 2009 16:44:39 EDT

Jodokast96 : Sorry, I disagree. If a line can't maintain correct sync, not matter what the Margins look like, Fastpath should not be recommended. That is exactly why Verizon doesn't offer it as default and gives people the line about it being a one time switch, no going back. Jovu already has a problem with his connection (in another thread) and the first thing they are going to do the next time he calls is drop the Fastpath in an attempt to fix it. Now he has no Fastpath and a line that still isn't working as it should.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sat, 04 Apr 2009 13:14:55 EDT

Smith6612 : You can probably get by with that. Expect to see the margins drop 2dB though and expect to maybe lose some slight sync on the upstream.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sat, 04 Apr 2009 13:08:24 EDT

Jovu : Here are my stats currently. Am I good for FastPath? Thanks

Transceiver Revision: 7.2.3.0
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT Mode
Data Path: Interleaved

Transceiver Information Downstream Path Upstream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 3360 800
Margin (dB) 11.0 10.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 54.0 29.0
Transmit Power (dBm) 17.7 11.9

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 02 Apr 2009 20:48:34 EDT

Smith6612 : At the NID, you are pulling full 3Mbps/768kbps speed and the margins are good enough for FastPath. Now, because of the jack that you were plugged into on your last post, you'll need to find out what is causing the slower speeds, higher attenuation and lower margins in your home and once you do and you replace/fix whatever needs fixing and the stats look close to what they look like at the NID, the service will be much faster and probably more stable (if it is dropping out as well). Otherwise, you're all set to go.

Just as a note: DSL Likes thicker gauge wiring, that is twisted pair. CAT5 cabling works well with DSL.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 02 Apr 2009 20:42:05 EDT

Jovu : ok here are my stats connected to the NID. Wow so any advise to fix this problem when I am not connected directly to the NID why I am only able to get 1mbps down 600kbps up? Am I able to get FastPath? Thanks!

Transceiver Revision: 7.2.3.0
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT Mode
Data Path: Interleaved

Transceiver Information Downstream Path Upstream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 3360 832
Margin (dB) 15.0 9.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 45.5 28.0
Transmit Power (dBm) 13.4 11.8

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 02 Apr 2009 19:43:17 EDT

Smith6612 : We need to get your line looked at first of all. You're set for 3Mbps but are getting nowhere near the proper speeds due to your sync rates (getting more like 1Mbps/600kbps on speed tests I'm guessing). Could you plug your modem into your NID (a grey box typically found on the side of your home connecting Verizon's copper network to your home network) and get the modem stats while synced at the NID? Proper sync rates are 3360 downstream, 864kbps upload.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 02 Apr 2009 18:52:57 EDT

Jovu : Here are my stats, could you please give some insight much appreciated!

Transceiver Revision: 7.2.3.0
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT Mode
Data Path: Interleaved

Transceiver Information Downstream Path Upstream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 1280 768
Margin (dB) 12.0 10.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 51.0 30.0
Transmit Power (dBm) 15.5 11.9

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Wed, 01 Apr 2009 06:11:23 EDT

Smith6612 : You might be able to squeeze by with 7.1Mbps (or 5Mbps), but you are good to go for FastPath even though your upstream is slightly lower than it should be in terms of sync.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Wed, 01 Apr 2009 01:52:30 EDT

besthijacker : I was wondering if it would good idea to change to fastpath and was also wondering if I could get 7.1Mbps?

Thanks!

Transceiver Revision: 7.2.3.0
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT Mode
Data Path: Interleaved

Transceiver Information Downstream Path Upstream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 3360 832
Margin (dB) 17.0 11.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 27.5 14.0
Transmit Power (dBm) 12.7 11.9

I read in some other topic that few people were able to 7.1Mbps from same zipcode as me!

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Tue, 31 Mar 2009 18:55:35 EDT

Smith6612 : It's basically the demarcation point between Verizon's copper network and your home's copper network. It's a gray box typically found on the outside of your home, and in there, there is a test jack where you can test things such as the phone line and the DSL. Just plug the DSL modem into that and see how the line stats look.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Tue, 31 Mar 2009 16:40:10 EDT

marhault : I'm not really fluent in this stuff, what is NID?

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Tue, 31 Mar 2009 15:31:32 EDT

Smith6612 : You'd need to ask around a bit such as in Verizon Direct, maybe some field techs or what not and see if you could get it.

@marhault: Your line is barely hanging on to the 1.5Mbps speed, so FastPath is a no go unless you downgrade your speed to 1Mbps/384kbps. Additionally, you can try to squeeze more margin out of that line by seeing if it can be cleaned up. Test the modem plugged into the NID and take the line stats from the modem again.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Tue, 31 Mar 2009 15:23:01 EDT

marhault : Here are my stats

Transceiver Statistics
Transceiver Revision A2pB020b3.d20h
Vendor ID Code 4D54
Line Mode ADSL_G.dmt
Data Path INTERLEAVED

Transceiver Information Down Stream Path Up Stream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 1792 448
Margin (dB) 6.1 13.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 60.0 31.5
Transmit Power (dBm) 18.6 11.9

Not sure if I qualify, but figured I'd give it a shot as I do alot of gaming.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Mon, 30 Mar 2009 09:34:52 EDT

Bluetrue :

said by Smith6612 :

I wouldn't do FastPath on that line as the upstream is out of sync. Leave that line alone unless you can get ADSL2 or ADSL2+ on that line which will let you get FastPath then.

Thanks for your response. How do I find out about ADSL2 and ADSL2+?

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Mon, 30 Mar 2009 05:55:54 EDT

Smith6612 : I wouldn't do FastPath on that line as the upstream is out of sync. Leave that line alone unless you can get ADSL2 or ADSL2+ on that line which will let you get FastPath then.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sun, 29 Mar 2009 23:22:34 EDT

Bluetrue : I was having problems with slow speeds and was recently switched to a new server. Speeds are now consistently around 3 megs (twice what they were). However, in the process I was switched from fastpath to interleaved. This has more than doubled my ping times. Should I request to be switched back to fastpath?

Transceiver Revision: 7.2.3.0
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT Mode
Data Path: Interleaved

Transceiver Information Downstream Path Upstream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 3360 800
Margin (dB) 10.5 6.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 50.0 29.5
Transmit Power (dBm) 13.8 11.9

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sat, 28 Mar 2009 23:48:42 EDT

Smith6612 : That line should be fine for FastPath.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sat, 28 Mar 2009 22:07:08 EDT

Battler : Hey, semi new guy here, see alot of commotion on this topic, can I apply for FastPath as well?

Transceiver Revision: 6.2.0.211
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT Mode
Data Path: Interleaved

Transceiver Information Down Stream Path Up Stream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 864 160
Margin (dB) 13.5 28.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 50.5 30.0
Transmit Power (dBm) 16.6 11.7

Re: Will switching help my upstream sync rate??

Sat, 28 Mar 2009 00:07:18 EDT

Smith6612 : Without ADSL2+ your line will not do the 3Mbps speed, so you're stuck at 1.5Mbps. As per the sync rates, you are good to go for FastPath, but if your Upstream were to get boosted to 448kbps, FastPath due to the margins may cause the upstream sync to drop a little.

Will switching help my upstream sync rate??

Fri, 27 Mar 2009 22:43:17 EDT

ajdambra : Smith et al.:

Here are my numbers direct from my NID -- Would switching to FastPath and/or ASDL2/2+ help my poor upstream sync? Any insight/explanation for the low upstream? (I get the same syncs with two different modems.)

The VZ Direct tech I dealt with said my line is provisioned for 1.5Mbps, and that these sync rates are "acceptable" for that speed level. (Acceptable to whom?? Not me!) He offered to open a ticket to make the switch (or at least check if it's possible) to FastPath and/or ADSL2, but I declined. First I want to see if I can qualify my line for at least 3Mbps--this may be the max VZ offers in this area. (My speed plan's name is "Maximum Connect Speed" -- what a joke!)

Any advice for dealing with VZ's off-shored Customer Support??

Thanks -- ajdambra

[Speedtest.net: 1.5M down/0.13M up -- just a few minutes ago]

Transceiver Revision: 7.1.254
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT-Mode
Data Path: Interleaved

Transceiver Information DownStreamPath UpStreamPath
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 1792 160
Margin (db) 16.0 12.0
Line Attenuation (db) 48.0 18.5
Transmit Power (db/Hz) 4.0 11.0

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Fri, 27 Mar 2009 16:08:17 EDT

anon : Thank you.

I always ask them for 7, but they always tell me its not available. Could that be inaccurate?

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Fri, 27 Mar 2009 15:01:54 EDT

Smith6612 : Your line is certainly capable. Don't know what is up with that upstream margin though :D. Also for the information, your line can also do 7.1Mbps should you ask.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Fri, 27 Mar 2009 13:42:18 EDT

anon : Is my line capable?

Transceiver Revision: 4.3.0.1
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: ADSL2+ Mode
Data Path: Interleaved
Transceiver Information Down Stream Path Up Stream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 3354 861
Margin (dB) 24.5 -814.6
Line Attenuation (dB) 23.0 36.0
Transmit Power (dBm) 19.2 12.3

Thank you.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Wed, 25 Mar 2009 15:08:17 EDT

Smith6612 : That line has great stats. You're set to go. And yes you can do 7.1Mbps with FastPath.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Wed, 25 Mar 2009 10:56:37 EDT

Riftgarde : Transceiver Revision: 4.3.0.1
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: ADSL2+ Mode
Data Path: Interleaved
Transceiver Information Down Stream Path Up Stream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 3355 863
Margin (dB) 31.0 17.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 21.5 7.5
Transmit Power (dBm) 19.4 12.1

Are these values good for fastpath and or 7mb?

Strange thing is a couple weeks ago I could have sworn it was fastpath.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Fri, 20 Mar 2009 21:00:00 EDT

Smith6612 : 7.1Mbps with FastPath is good to go on that line, however, you need to find a way to improve your upstream margin a little as it should be higher for your line mode and distance. I suggest a NID test to see if the upstrem margin
is better there.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Fri, 20 Mar 2009 20:42:08 EDT

trekboy : Can someone tell me if I can get FastPath and/or 7mbps?
Thanks so much!!

Transceiver Statistics

Transceiver Revision: 7.2.3.0
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: ADSL2+ Mode
Data Path: Interleaved

Transceiver Information Downstream Path Upstream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 3354 861
Margin (dB) 31.0 6.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 26.5 13.5
Transmit Power (dBm) 15.3 12.3
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Verizon DSL: 3M/768K

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Fri, 20 Mar 2009 16:28:41 EDT

anon : FastPath doable?
ADSL line status
Connection information
Downstream 8,128 Kbps
Upstream 448 Kbps

ADSL settings
VPI/VCI 0/38
Type PPPoA
Modulation ITU-T G.992.1
Latency type Interleave
Noise margin (Down/Up) 13.8 dB / 23.0 dB
Line attenuation (Down/Up) 24.0 dB / 13.0 dB
Output power (Down/Up) 19.8 dBm / 12.2 dBm
Loss of Framing (Local) 0
Loss of Signal (Local) 0
Loss of Power (Local) 0
FEC Errors (Down/Up) 26166 / 46
CRC Errors (Down/Up) 29 / 2147480001
HEC Errors (Down/Up) 16 / 19
Error Seconds (Local) 28

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sat, 14 Mar 2009 22:29:43 EDT

Smith6612 : Really, the only thing I'd see moving from FastPath to Interleaved would do is raise up your upstream sync, but your downstream speed is synced properly with some really good margins. Before asking on getting moved to Interleaved, you could try doing a NID test to see if you can improve the stats a bit. As per the fluctuating speeds, unless your downstream sync goes from 3360 and lowers, it's probably a bandwidth issue down the line or it's something to do with the upstream. A line quality test would be useful.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sat, 14 Mar 2009 11:54:43 EDT

Bluetrue : Below are my stats. My speeds fluctuate greatly between 1000 and 2200 kb/s, even though I have 3000 kb/s service. I am on fastpath but am wondering if I should switch to interleave?

Transceiver Statistics

Transceiver Revision: 7.2.3.0
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT Mode
Data Path: Fast

Transceiver Information
Downstream Path Upstream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 3360 768
Margin (dB) 16.0 7.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 49.5 29.5
Transmit Power (dBm) 14.5 11.8

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Tue, 10 Mar 2009 20:32:09 EDT

Smith6612 : It's ok. I replied with a PM already :)

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Tue, 10 Mar 2009 09:23:01 EDT

vvilliamm : Hey smith im sorry for bothering you im just so LOST!
here is my stats question also, ive ordered verizon dsl upgrade from 3.0mbps to 7.1mbps on 3/05 recevied my modem on 3/06. Switch my modem to the new modem recevied speeds of 6.1mbps on 3/07. Checked my status says it will be fully ready by 3/10 6pm. i was curious will i actually receive the full 7.1mbps? =]. i did an speed test yesterday got around 6.3 mbps

Transceiver Statistics
Transceiver Revision A2pB020b3.d19d
Vendor ID Code 4D54
Line Mode ADSL_2plus
Data Path FAST

Transceiver Information Down Stream Path Up Stream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 7645 863
Margin (dB) 9.7 15.8
Line Attenuation (dB) 35.0 16.9
Transmit Power (dBm) 14.6 12.4

sorry! smith i should of had posted here first

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Wed, 04 Mar 2009 20:48:55 EDT

Smith6612 : That line may do it, but even with the ADSL2+ FastPath'ing the line will be pushing it, and you may see especially the upstream sync rate drop slightly. You can do it if you want, but just take note of the possibility of a slight drop in upload speed due to the margins.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Wed, 04 Mar 2009 20:07:14 EDT

Buckettruck : I may have posted but i couldnt find it LOL but what do you think for fastpath??? with these numbers.....

Transceiver Statistics

Transceiver Revision: 7.2.3.0
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: ADSL2+ Mode
Data Path: Interleaved

Transceiver Information Downstream Path Upstream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 3355 863
Margin (dB) 12.0 10.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 54.5 34.5
Transmit Power (dBm) 16.7 12.0

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Mon, 02 Mar 2009 20:05:09 EDT

Smith6612 : That's probably the most you're really going to get out of it. It should be fine for 5Mbps though, no definate answer though. You can certainly take FastPath though.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Mon, 02 Mar 2009 15:03:51 EDT

Pizz : Smith, i cleaned up the line the best I could. This is all i could get out of it. Is there anything else I should do?

Transceiver Revision A2pB020b3.d19d
Vendor ID Code 4D54
Line Mode ADSL_G.dmt
Data Path INTERLEAVED

Transceiver Information Down Stream Path Up Stream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 3360 864
Margin (dB) 12.8 15.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 34.0 17.0
Transmit Power (dBm) 9.0 12.2
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The more you talk, the less you listen.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sun, 01 Mar 2009 00:30:27 EDT

Smith6612 : It pretty much means to try to eliminate as many sources of noise and attenuation as possible to insure top speeds and good margins in a sense.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sat, 28 Feb 2009 23:27:30 EDT

Pizz : thanks again smith, can i ask you a question. what does cleaning up the line mean?
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The more you talk, the less you listen.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sat, 28 Feb 2009 21:42:57 EDT

Smith6612 : Attenuation suggests Yes, Margin says no. Once you get FastPath, if you can get some more margin out of your line by cleaning it up and such, you should be good to go. Shoot for a margin of at least 16-18dB on 3Mbps with FastPath and you should be fine.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sat, 28 Feb 2009 21:40:52 EDT

Pizz : Thanks Smith! will tell the people, hook me up! Also, do you think i could get 7.1?
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The more you talk, the less you listen.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sat, 28 Feb 2009 17:21:08 EDT

bullmand : Thanks! I'll give them a call and get it changed

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sat, 28 Feb 2009 14:46:11 EDT

Smith6612 : Oh, sorry about that Pizz. Your line should be good to go as well.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sat, 28 Feb 2009 14:42:59 EDT

Pizz :

said by Smith6612 :

That line is good to go.

how is my line :)
--
The more you talk, the less you listen.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sat, 28 Feb 2009 14:29:03 EDT

Smith6612 : That line is good to go.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sat, 28 Feb 2009 12:08:24 EDT

bullmand : How are my stats for the switch to FastPath? I'm on the 3.0 mbps plan but have never gotten anywhere near that fast.
Thanks

Transceiver Revision: 4.2.0.11
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT Mode
Data Path: Interleaved
Transceiver Information Down Stream / Up Stream
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 1792 / 448
Margin (dB) 13.5 / 14.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 56.0 / 31.5
Transmit Power (dBm) 15.5 / 11.9

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sat, 28 Feb 2009 12:04:02 EDT

Pizz : Can i get fastpath, and also do i qualify for 7.1? thanks, new vz customer :)

Transceiver Revision A2pB020b3.d19d
Vendor ID Code 4D54
Line Mode ADSL_G.dmt
Data Path INTERLEAVED

Transceiver Information
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 3360 864
Margin (dB) 12.2 15.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 34.0 17.5
Transmit Power (dBm) 10.3 12.2
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The more you talk, the less you listen.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 26 Feb 2009 05:42:16 EDT

Smith6612 : No problem. See how things work out.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Wed, 25 Feb 2009 22:25:31 EDT

anon : I have a 25 ft wire extension from my jack to my router, I may try a wireless with short wire to the jack and see if that makes any possible difference. That's a small change from the total distance, but I can hope the wire is cheap enough so maybe it could help, idk.
My upstream frankly isn't that important to me except for a small amount of video conferencing, but really, dropping my pings would be more important to me than upstream bandwidth at this point.
Thank you very much, you've given me something to think about. :)

Re: Can I get fastpath?

Wed, 25 Feb 2009 21:54:45 EDT

Smith6612 : I wouldn't suggest it, as your upstream is already out of sync. If you want it, you can go for it, but expect the upload speed to drop a little more to make up for the lost margin. Given your attenuation, you are a distance away from the exchange so that may be the best you'd get anyways at least in terms of stability.

Can I get fastpath?

Wed, 25 Feb 2009 18:55:10 EDT

anon : Transceiver Revision A2pB020b3.d20h
Vendor ID Code 4D54
Line Mode ADSL_G.dmt
Data Path INTERLEAVED

Transceiver Information Down Stream Path Up Stream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 3360 704
Margin (dB) 14.9 10.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 46.0 31.5
Transmit Power (dBm) 15.5 11.9

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Wed, 25 Feb 2009 00:53:15 EDT

Protos : Thank you kindly sir!
Cheers :)

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Tue, 24 Feb 2009 18:07:28 EDT

Smith6612 : To run it, you will need to find a grey box typically found outside of your home. That is the demarcation point between your home's copper and Verizon's copper plant, and is where Verizon will no longer service the copper without a fee or a protection plan almost all the time. Once you find this box, open up the Customer Access side, and in there will be a test jack with something possibly plugged into it. That jack is what you plug your modem into. Plug the modem into it, making sure that if possible the house's copper is dead, and see if the line's speeds and stats are better. If they are, the inside wiring is degrading the DSL signal.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Tue, 24 Feb 2009 15:55:15 EDT

Protos : Thanks Smith,

Where do I run this NID test ?

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Tue, 24 Feb 2009 05:50:10 EDT

Smith6612 : Hey Protos, your line is good to go for FastPath. You just need to clean up your upstream margin a little bit, as your upstream is out of sync. Do this by first running a NID test to see if you can squeeze more margin out of the line at the NID. Once you are able to clean up the DSL line a little bit so that the upstream sync rate is 864, and the margin is good, you can ask for FastPath. You can ask now pretty much, but that'll drop your upstream speed slightly. It's not a distance issue, as your attenuation is nice and low.

As per the other two settings, I'm not too familiar with the ActionTecs so, yeah. For the QOS setting, unless you have something that needs QOS, you shouldn't need it. If I'm guessing right, the DSL Mode is pretty much what kind of DSL it's going to use, like G.DMT or ADSL2, or DSL.lite. It all depends on what your line takes. Your line is using standard ADSL, so it's at least working where it should be.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Tue, 24 Feb 2009 01:52:15 EDT

Protos : Hi all,

Just got verizon dryloop dsl 3mb today. I need some help to determine if I qualify for fastpath.

I ran a line test which can be seen here »/linequality/7···/2493209

I see this when I go to 192.168.1.1

Model: GT704-WG
Firmware:3.20.3.3.5.0.9.2.14

DSL Status

VPI: 0
VCI: 35
DSL Mode Setting: MMode
DSL Negotiated Mode: G.DTM
Connection Status: Showtime
Speed (down/up): 3360/768
ATM QoS class: UBR
Near End CRC Errors : 2/0
Far End CRC Errors : 0/0
Near End CRC(Within last 30 mins) : 0/0
Far End CRC(Within last 30 mins) : 0/0
Near End RS FEC : 0/0
Far End RS FEC : 0/0
Near End FEC(Within last 30 mins) : 0/0
Far End FEC(Within last 30 mins) : 0/0
Discarded Packets(Within last 30 mins): 0
SNR Margin (Downstream/Upstream): 22/10
Attenuation(Downstream/Upstream):19/11

Which DSL mode should I select in the router and which QoS setting ??

If there are any other stats required please let me know and I shall post. Got this for gaming as I also currently have a 10mb rr package. So far latencies seem higher with verizon. If I can't get an improvement I shall have to cancel before my 30 days are up - any and all help greatly appreciated.

Thank you.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Mon, 23 Feb 2009 20:29:00 EDT

Smith6612 : It might be pushing the line but you might be ok. A neighbor of mine has the same attenuation as you and they run 3Mbps+ Fastpath without issues.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Mon, 23 Feb 2009 19:19:46 EDT

hockey88 : Smith6612 - thanks for all your insight...last question on this topic for me...I was thinking of upgrading to the 3.0Mbps package - will I will be OK with FastPath and 3.0?

Again, thanks

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Mon, 23 Feb 2009 18:55:51 EDT

Smith6612 : That line is fine for FastPath.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Mon, 23 Feb 2009 17:04:49 EDT

ThePizzaboy :

Transceiver Statistics

Transceiver Revision: 7.2.3.0
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT Mode
Data Path: Interleaved

Transceiver Information Downstream Path Upstream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 3360 864
Margin (dB) 15.5 11.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 32.0 20.0
Transmit Power (dBm) 7.6 11.9

Thoughts?

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Mon, 23 Feb 2009 15:47:13 EDT

Smith6612 : @ SniprKlr: Your line will take FastPath, however you are at the limit of the 3Mbps package based on your line mode, so while you still have room for FastPath, you will be left with very little margin to mess around with. So, you can switch, but expect some possible resyncs at some lower sync rates if the margins drop too low. 6dB and below is typically not where you want to be, but at your distance it is still doable. If your line was running ADSL2+, you would be able to handle the 7.1Mbps package. You're running on G.DMT mode or ADSL so the max you're going to get is the 3Mbps plan.

@Hockey88: It all depends. If your line has been holding out good and you're not seeing the margins get into the 6dB and below range, you shouldn't have much to worry about as FastPath will only typically take 2dB of margin away from the line. And the ability of not being able to switch back is nonsense. It's a simple line mode that can be toggled back and forth. If it doesn't work out, the worst your line will do is resync at a lower speed or disconnect from time to time. Your margin is fine based on your previous post, so you should have no trouble with it what so ever.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Mon, 23 Feb 2009 15:06:26 EDT

hockey88 : I requested FastPath in the direct support forum and a tech answered the reply with a lot of information on why not to switch and if it didn't work out I couldn't switch back, can anyone comment on this and should I be concerned?

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Mon, 23 Feb 2009 14:34:25 EDT

SniprKlr : 3 questions..How good is my line? can I get fastpath and Can i get 7mps with fast path..??

Transceiver Statistics:

Transceiver Revision:
A2pB020b3.d20h
Vendor ID Code 4D54
Line Mode ADSL_G.dmt
Data Path INTERLEAVED
DSL Speed 3360/864
Margin (dB) 8.8/11.0
Attenuation 43.0/22.0
Transmit Power (dBm) 8.8/12.2

Also a trace rout:
Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.

tracert google.com

Tracing route to google.com [209.85.171.100]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms dslrouter.westell.com [192.168.1.1]
2 37 ms 23 ms 24 ms 10.9.79.7
3 24 ms 24 ms 24 ms P3-3.LCR-05.BSTNMA.verizon-gni.net [130.81.44.70
]
4 24 ms 24 ms 24 ms 130.81.29.172
5 34 ms 37 ms 34 ms so-6-2-0-0.BB-RTR2.NY325.verizon-gni.net [130.81
.19.70]
6 33 ms 32 ms 32 ms 0.ge-1-1-0.XL3.NYC4.ALTER.NET [152.63.1.45]
7 34 ms 34 ms 34 ms 0.ge-4-2-0.BR3.NYC4.ALTER.NET [152.63.3.126]
8 34 ms 33 ms 33 ms xe-10-2-0.edge2.NewYork2.level3.net [4.68.110.23
3]
9 41 ms 36 ms 35 ms vlan79.csw2.NewYork1.Level3.net [4.68.16.126]
10 41 ms 34 ms 37 ms ae-62-62.ebr2.NewYork1.Level3.net [4.69.134.81]

11 53 ms 54 ms 53 ms ae-2.ebr1.Chicago1.Level3.net [4.69.132.65]
12 52 ms 53 ms 53 ms ae-6.ebr1.Chicago2.Level3.net [4.69.140.190]
13 97 ms 90 ms 90 ms ae-3.ebr2.Denver1.Level3.net [4.69.132.61]
14 128 ms 125 ms 126 ms ae-2.ebr2.Seattle1.Level3.net [4.69.132.53]
15 118 ms 118 ms 117 ms ae-21-52.car1.Seattle1.Level3.net [4.68.105.34]

16 158 ms 118 ms 118 ms GOOGLE-INC.car1.Seattle1.Level3.net [4.79.104.74
]
17 112 ms 112 ms 112 ms 209.85.249.32
18 121 ms 125 ms 121 ms 72.14.239.12
19 120 ms 127 ms 118 ms 209.85.250.146
20 124 ms 137 ms 127 ms 209.85.251.153
21 129 ms 124 ms 122 ms 209.85.251.149
22 122 ms 131 ms 133 ms 74.125.30.134
23 121 ms 121 ms 120 ms cg-in-f100.google.com [209.85.171.100]

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sun, 22 Feb 2009 20:57:19 EDT

Smith6612 : The easiest way to get it is to register on this site and ask for it in the Verizon Direct forum here. They should be able to turn on FastPath almost immediately for you.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sun, 22 Feb 2009 18:57:10 EDT

anon : I just called Verizon and the Tech support lady had no clue as to what I was requesting about when I asked her if I could have interleaving switched off so I could get Fast Path... Any information I could get on this subject would be nice.. Feel free to email me.. Cheers :)

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sat, 21 Feb 2009 11:27:30 EDT

hockey88 : Thanks for the info...

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sat, 21 Feb 2009 11:22:18 EDT

Smith6612 : You can turn on FastPath as your line will take it. If the line hasn't been running all that well, make a topic and we can see if it is on Verizon's end or what not.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sat, 21 Feb 2009 10:46:52 EDT

hockey88 : Not sure if FastPath will help - seems like my connection, while not great, has been more slow over the last few months. Here are my stats:
DSL Status
VPI: 0
VCI: 35
DSL Mode Setting: MMODE
DSL Negotiated Mode: G.DMT
Connection Status: Showtime
Speed (down/up): 1184 / 448 Kbps
ATM QoS class: UBR
Near End CRC Errors : 22/0
Far End CRC Errors : 0/0
Near End RS FEC : 0/0
Far End RS FEC : 1119/0
Discarded Packets(Within last 30 mins): 0
SNR Margin (Downstream/Upstream): 18/24
Attenuation (Downstream/Upstream): 42/23

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sat, 21 Feb 2009 05:06:43 EDT

Jodokast96 : Yeah.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sat, 21 Feb 2009 03:46:05 EDT

Lou75 : Should I switch to FastPath based on my stats?

Transceiver Revision: 7.1.254
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT-Mode
Data Path: Interleaved
Transceiver Information Down Stream Path Up Stream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 3360 864
Margin (db) 19.0 12.0
Line Attenuation (db) 25.0 18.5
Transmit Power (db/Hz) 5.0 11.0

Thanks in advance for your answers.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Wed, 18 Feb 2009 17:50:46 EDT

Smith6612 : Not really. The margins are too low for FastPath stabally.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Wed, 18 Feb 2009 17:47:17 EDT

harryasian : Transceiver Statistics
Transceiver Revision A2pB020b3.d19d
Vendor ID Code 4D54
Line Mode ADSL_G.dmt
Data Path INTERLEAVED

Transceiver Information Down Stream Path Up Stream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 1184 448
Margin (dB) 7.2 10.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 63.5 31.5
Transmit Power (dBm) 15.9 11.9

Is this good to get FastPath?

Re: My line keeps disconnecting. Should I switch to Interleaved?

Wed, 18 Feb 2009 01:36:27 EDT

Smith6612 : Hmm, not sure. I do recall that when my modem boots up or resyncs, it will report a margin a few dB higher than what it is after it's been booted for a minute or so. Though what also gets me is I'd think I would expect higher margins considering your distance as well, so I'm wondering if you may want to do a NID test to see if you can get some more margin from your line.

Re: My line keeps disconnecting. Should I switch to Interleaved?

Wed, 18 Feb 2009 00:58:47 EDT

Arachneya : The DS margin is usually in the aforementioned 10-16 range. The log, however, provided the 31 reading on bootup. I'm not sure how long it stays at that value.

Re: My line keeps disconnecting. Should I switch to Interleaved?

Wed, 18 Feb 2009 00:03:29 EDT

Smith6612 : Does it always stay like that? If so, I'm wondering what is making the margins drop down like that after the modem being up for a little while.

Re: My line keeps disconnecting. Should I switch to Interleaved?

Tue, 17 Feb 2009 23:28:27 EDT

Arachneya : Smith,

The modem is not logging any activity during the disconnects. Ofcourse, I do actually loose internet connectivity and the Reconnect count gets incremented.

When I last power-cycled the modem, the Downstream Margin was 31. Since then, it fluctuates between 10 and 16.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Tue, 17 Feb 2009 20:19:14 EDT

Smith6612 : Your line should be fine.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Tue, 17 Feb 2009 19:42:08 EDT

anon : Transceiver Revision A2pB020b3.d19d
Vendor ID Code 4D54
Line Mode ADSL_G.dmt
Data Path INTERLEAVED

Transceiver Information Down Stream Path Up Stream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 3360 864
Margin (dB) 16.9 12.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 38.0 21.0
Transmit Power (dBm) 8.6 11.9

Would fast path work on my line?

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Tue, 17 Feb 2009 17:52:15 EDT

Smith6612 : While there is room for FastPath on that line, there isn't much room for variance in the line's margins. You can give it a go, but expect your margins to drop a little bit and don't be surprised if the line syncs at a lower speed.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Tue, 17 Feb 2009 17:44:15 EDT

anon : Hi Smith6612
I finally got my alarm filter and just installed it. My speed are closer to 3 mbps now. Thanks. I have listed my new stats, is FastPath doable with these stats. Again Thanks in advance for all your help

Transceiver Statistics

Transceiver Revision: 7.2.3.0
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT Mode
Data Path: Interleaved

Transceiver Information Downstream Path Upstream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 3360 832
Margin (dB) 10.0 13.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 48.5 27.5
Transmit Power (dBm) 15.7 11.8

Re: My line keeps disconnecting. Should I switch to Interleaved?

Tue, 17 Feb 2009 00:53:46 EDT

Smith6612 : You are close enough to take 7.1Mbps + FastPath, however the line may just have some noise on it that is causing the disconnects. Right now the margin is too low to get the full 7.1Mbps speed, but it should be raisable. As per the disconnects, have you looked at your modem logs at all? Those will help.

My line keeps disconnecting. Should I switch to Interleaved?

Tue, 17 Feb 2009 00:17:27 EDT

Arachneya : Hey Smith/Jodokast,

I switched to Fastpath last Novemeber. The latency/connection improvement was substantial. Last month, it started disconnecting randomly. Lately, it's been doing do several times a day, rendering long sessions of online gaming impractical.

Do I have to switch back to Interleaved or has my line quality degraded?

***
Transceiver Revision: 7.2.3.0
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT Mode

(Transceiver Information) (Downstream) (Upstream)
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 3360 864
Margin (dB) 13.5 11.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 27.0 15.0
Transmit Power (dBm) 6.9 11.9
***

Can I get 7 Mbps? Thanks.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Fri, 13 Feb 2009 14:42:14 EDT

Jodokast96 : Yes to both.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Fri, 13 Feb 2009 14:41:45 EDT

Kithron : Is my line good for fastpath / 7mb?

Transceiver Revision: 7.2.3.0
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: ADSL2+ Mode
Data Path: Interleaved

Transceiver Information Downstream Path Upstream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 3355 863
Margin (dB) 26.0 13.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 38.5 21.5
Transmit Power (dBm) 19.2 12.1

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Wed, 11 Feb 2009 16:58:16 EDT

Smith6612 : Yes, your line is good to go for FastPath :)

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Wed, 11 Feb 2009 16:17:35 EDT

Bullet2k4 : i think my connection switch to interleave after an upgrade

Transceiver Revision: 7.2.3.0
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT Mode
Data Path: Interleaved

Transceiver Information Downstream Path Upstream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 1184 448
Margin (dB) 15.0 16.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 52.5 31.5
Transmit Power (dBm) 11.5 11.8

fastpath?

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Wed, 11 Feb 2009 15:04:41 EDT

Smith6612 : Give your alarm company a call and tell them you have DSL. They should be able to tell you what to do in order to filter that.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Wed, 11 Feb 2009 07:43:58 EDT

anon : Thanks Smith6612 for your quick reply, I have filter on all my phone lines, but just realized that there is a phone connection hard wired into my Home security system, I am going to have to find out how to add the filter onto it, because I think that might be my source of loosing the sync. I will post my result after that.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Wed, 11 Feb 2009 05:38:33 EDT

Smith6612 : Your downstream margin of 6 won't cut it, sorry. Enjoy the new speed though! :)

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Wed, 11 Feb 2009 01:18:21 EDT

ccisneros : Thanks for replying to my post Smith! I got a new actiontech router and upgraded my speed to 7.1Mbps. Here are my new stats. How does it look for FastPath?

DSL Status
VPI: 0
VCI: 32
DSL Mode Setting: MMODE
DSL Negotiated Mode: ADSL2PLUS
Connection Status: SHOWTIME
Speed (down/up): 7530/863
ATM QoS class: UBR
Near End CRC Errors : 0/0
Far End CRC Errors : 1/0
Near End CRC(Within last 30 mins) : 0/0
Far End CRC(Within last 30 mins) : 0/0
Near End RS FEC : 0/0
Far End RS FEC :4136/0
Near End FEC(Within last 30 mins) : 0/0
Far End FEC(Within last 30 mins) :0/0
Discarded Packets(Within last 30 mins): 0
SNR Margin (Downstream/Upstream): 6/13
Attenuation (Downstream/Upstream): 38/22

Thanks!

Cesar

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Tue, 10 Feb 2009 22:58:33 EDT

Smith6612 : Chocky, Your line is provisioned at 3Mbps, not at the 1.5Mbps speed, so you are obviously losing your sync. See if you can clean up the line to get the margins a little higher so that you can get the 3Mbps speed, and then we'll see if you can get FastPath after that. The proper sync rate for 3Mbps is 3360/864.

Buckettruck, your line is good.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Tue, 10 Feb 2009 22:58:30 EDT

Buckettruck : Here are my stats, fastpath or not :)
i am supposed to get 3M and only get 1.5M

Transceiver Statistics

Transceiver Revision: 7.2.3.0
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: ADSL2+ Mode
Data Path: Interleaved

Transceiver Information Downstream Path Upstream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 1787 447
Margin (dB) 15.0 23.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 52.5 33.0
Transmit Power (dBm) 16.3 11.9

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Tue, 10 Feb 2009 22:30:14 EDT

anon : Here is my info. Any good for fastpath, I am supposed to get 3 Mbps but currently topping out at 1.5 Mbps. Thanks in advance for your help.

Transceiver Revision: 7.2.3.0
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT Mode
Data Path: Interleaved

Transceiver Information Downstream Path Upstream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 1856 832
Margin (dB) 14.5 12.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 45.5 25.5
Transmit Power (dBm) 16.1 11.8

Re: Westell 7500 Modem

Tue, 10 Feb 2009 15:25:12 EDT

Smith6612 : Your line is good to go for FastPath.

Westell 7500 Modem

Tue, 10 Feb 2009 08:18:32 EDT

Tampa304 : Am posting my Transceiver Information. Would my connectivity improve if I switch to FastPath? Thanks for your help! :D

Transceiver Revision A2pB020b3.d19d
Vendor ID Code 4D54
Line Mode ADSL_G.dmt
Data Path INTERLEAVED

Transceiver Information Down Stream Path Up Stream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 1184 448
Margin (dB) 13.9 14.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 58.0 31.5
Transmit Power (dBm) 15.5 11.9

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Tue, 10 Feb 2009 04:53:13 EDT

Smith6612 : You can get FastPath, yes. As per 3Mbps, most likely not.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Tue, 10 Feb 2009 00:50:33 EDT

anon : Westel Versalink
Transceiver Revision: 4.3.0.1
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT Mode
Data Path: Interleaved
Transceiver Information Down Stream Path Up Stream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 1792 448
Margin (dB) 13.0 21.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 53.5 31.5
Transmit Power (dBm) 15.4 11.9

Model Number D90-327W15-06
Software Version VER:4.02.00.00
Configuration 096-900125-01A

Can I get Fastpath, or atleast go up to full 3.0 speed?

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Mon, 09 Feb 2009 05:43:13 EDT

Smith6612 : You would quality for 7.1Mbps with possibly FastPath, however by the looks of it, you're provisioned at the 3Mbps speed, but line noise is degrading your speeds substantially. Try plugging your modem into your NID to see if the stats improve, especially the sync rate and margin before we go anywhere else. Proper sync rates are 3360 downstream, 864 upstream. With ADSL2+ which is what you're running, these numbers will be slightly less.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Mon, 09 Feb 2009 04:44:27 EDT

anon : Hi,

I was wondering if i could be changed to Fastpath and would i qualify for 7.1 Mbps. Here are my transtats:

Transceiver Revision: 7.2.3.0
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: ADSL2+ Mode
Data Path: Interleaved

Transceiver Information Downstream Path Upstream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 1280 863
Margin (dB) 7.5 11.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 38.5 23.0
Transmit Power (dBm) 17.2 12.1

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Fri, 06 Feb 2009 03:50:54 EDT

Jodokast96 : Fastpath, yes, but that's it for the speed.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 05 Feb 2009 22:17:52 EDT

anon : Hi Smith

Could you help me with interpreting the following results? I currently have 3Mbps interleaved and I would like FastPath and maybe 7.1Mbps. Are those things possible?

Thank you

JB

Transceiver Revision: 7.2.3.0
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: ADSL2+ Mode
Data Path: Interleaved

Transceiver Information Downstream Path Upstream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 3355 863
Margin (dB) 13.5 10.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 51.0 28.5
Transmit Power (dBm) 17.0 12.0

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Tue, 03 Feb 2009 20:22:11 EDT

Smith6612 : Plamarine, your line is good for FastPath. As per 7.1Mbps and FastPath, that is a bit iffy for me to determine that.

Giraffe42, your line is good to go.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Tue, 03 Feb 2009 20:17:31 EDT

giraffe42 : Transceiver Revision: 7.2.3.0
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT Mode
Data Path: Interleaved

Transceiver Information Downstream Path Upstream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 3360 864
Margin (dB) 14.5 12.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 34.5 20.0
Transmit Power (dBm) 9.2 11.8

Thanks in advance! =)

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Tue, 03 Feb 2009 18:47:53 EDT

plamarine : Transceiver Revision: 01.00.09.00
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT Mode
Data Path: Interleaved
Transceiver Information Down Stream Path Up Stream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 3360 864
Margin (dB) 19.5 12.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 38.5 20.5
Transmit Power (dBm) 17.1 10.6

How does this look for Fastpath and 7.1?

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Tue, 03 Feb 2009 12:26:01 EDT

Smith6612 : Good to go! Ask about the boost to 1Mbps/384kbps as well :). It'll give you faster speeds and shave off a couple more ms to the first hop.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Tue, 03 Feb 2009 10:26:17 EDT

pnelsonrr : Well, here are my stats - trying to get faster response time. Can I go to FastPath? Thanks!

Transceiver Revision: 01.00.09.00
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT Mode
Data Path: Interleaved
Transceiver Information Down Stream Path Up Stream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 864 160
Margin (dB) 24.0 31.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 32.0 21.0
Transmit Power (dBm) 16.7 9.8

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Mon, 02 Feb 2009 19:01:22 EDT

Smith6612 : That line is good to go for FastPath :)

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Mon, 02 Feb 2009 18:01:02 EDT

MattS : Can I get Fastpath?

Transceiver Revision: 1.0.9.0
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT Mode
Data Path: Interleaved
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 3360 864
Margin (dB) 13.5 14.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 41.5 26.0
Transmit Power (dBm) 16.8 11.0

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sat, 31 Jan 2009 15:21:37 EDT

Jodokast96 : Yes.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sat, 31 Jan 2009 15:12:33 EDT

ktolik : can i get fast path?

How about my stats? Can i get Fastpath?

Transceiver Revision: 7.2.3.0
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: ADSL2+ Mode
Data Path: Interleaved

Transceiver Information Downstream Path Upstream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 3355 839
Margin (dB) 14.0 12.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 50.0 31.5
Transmit Power (dBm) 17.7 12.0

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sat, 31 Jan 2009 05:48:54 EDT

Jodokast96 : Go for it.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sat, 31 Jan 2009 05:10:32 EDT

Logan4life00 : Transceiver Revision: 7.2.3.0
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT Mode
Data Path: Interleaved

Transceiver Information Downstream Path Upstream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 7616 864
Margin (dB) 11.0 11.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 34.5 21.0
Transmit Power (dBm) 19.5 11.9

Just got upgraded to the 7.1 plan and although it's not until wednesday that a tech is supposed to come out to add a splitter or whichever is needed once you upgrade to it to keep it stable or something. Anyways I noticed today that I was already syncing up at the new speeds and want to know if I can go on fastpath, or should wait till wednesday??

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Wed, 28 Jan 2009 15:20:20 EDT

Smith6612 : If the line is not dropping or being lossy, then even a margin of 2 may hold. I've seen very long lines have margins like that, that ran perfectly fine. It's also probably not the ActionTec as well. Might just be some CO congestion, but that'll take some tests to rune out really.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Wed, 28 Jan 2009 14:31:25 EDT

jonquiljo5 : I guess I am on interleaved as my 2nd hop is more than 20ms.

It's funny, though - when I run a trace, I very commonly find a 10% packet loss between my computer in my office and the Actiontec (the red dot in the Visualroute display). This time I found 10% loss at DSL reports.com as well. Do you think there might be a problem with the Actiontec?

I also see lots (more than 50% or total) CRC errors in the stats of my PC's wireless -g transmitter. The Actiontec rarely, if ever, shows CRC errors. Again this suggests to me that I am sending and receiving crappy data to the Actiontec. Sorry if this is off-topic, but it all seems strange to me.

So it's entirely OK that I'm running margins at 2-6 downstream and not having syncing issues at this speed? Everyone tells me that this is not good. I guess I'll

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Wed, 28 Jan 2009 10:11:55 EDT

Smith6612 : To find out if you are on Interleaved, run a trace route to any server and look at the second hop if you are plugged directly into the ActionTec. Latency with FastPath should be 12ms and below. If the latency is 20ms or above, you're on interleaved. I can't really tell from the ActionTec's stats as it doesn't say anything, but you are at 5Mbps/768kbps service, so that's pretty good.

But the margins will very from time to time, it's perfectly normal for it to do. If your line is on Interleaved which I assume it is, you will not be able to get FastPath without some syncing issues.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Wed, 28 Jan 2009 01:40:15 EDT

jonquiljo5 : You all are pretty amazing! I have an Actiontec and don't know whether I am interleaved or not. How do you tell? I will presume I am interleaved.

While I'm here can anyone tell me why I can run so well (5.0/735) with modem stats like I have (take a look at downstream margin!)?
I am provisioned as you can see and getting what I would expect with a good line. Yet I have never crashed or slowed down or anything like that. Verizon Direct confirmed my margin one day at 7.0 ( I generally vary from 2-7 downstream). I tried another Actiontec and got the same values there too.

Is this some freak of nature? I am running a dry loop, so I have no voice to contend with. But my DSL has been rock solid for 2 months now - the only exception was a weekend when the whole town went down.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Tue, 27 Jan 2009 22:53:48 EDT

Smith6612 : That line should be fine for both 3Mbps and FastPath. The attenuation is low enough and the margins are good too.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Tue, 27 Jan 2009 22:11:00 EDT

TPS Reporter : Hello. Can I upgrade to 3mbps or get fastpath?

Transceiver Revision: 7.2.3.0
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT Mode
Data Path: Interleaved

Transceiver Information Downstream Path Upstream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 1184 448
Margin (dB) 22.5 18.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 30.5 17.0
Transmit Power (dBm) 6.3 11.7

Thanks much. It's appreciated.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Tue, 27 Jan 2009 19:27:17 EDT

Jodokast96 : You should probably be ok, but no guarantees.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Tue, 27 Jan 2009 18:56:06 EDT

Smith6612 : Well, the line didn't take too much of a hit, so if someone else (most likely Jodokast) sees that the margins are good in their opinion, you should be able to get the 3Mbps speed as well. Expect your pings to go down by a few more milliseconds when the speed comes along. Typically on a well maintained system you can get 5-6ms ping to the first hop on the network with 3Mbps + FastPath.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Tue, 27 Jan 2009 18:08:01 EDT

G_Sup : Hi Smith! thanks so much for the info! I was tickled to come home and see that my line was changed while I was at work today. I am now on FastPath. I did a tracert to the server I rent before and after and it improved my ping by 25ms! Here are my stats after changing from interleave...

Mode: G.DMT
Type: Fast
Line Coding: Trellis On
Status: No Defect
Link Power State: L0

Downstream Upstream
SNR Margin (dB): 16.9 24.0
Attenuation (dB): 47.0 25.0
Output Power (dBm): 10.0 11.9
Attainable Rate (Kbps): 6016 1124
Rate (Kbps): 1792 448

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Tue, 27 Jan 2009 14:21:43 EDT

Jodokast96 : You can get both.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Tue, 27 Jan 2009 13:49:18 EDT

Craig08 : Would someone be kind enough to tell me if its possible for me to ever get close to the 3Mbps service ? Should I look at fast past ?

Transceiver Revision: 7.2.3.0
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT Mode
Data Path: Interleaved

Transceiver Information Downstream Path Upstream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 1184 448
Margin (dB) 26.5 22.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 39.0 26.0
Transmit Power (dBm) 6.0 11.8

Regards

Edit

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Tue, 27 Jan 2009 11:30:38 EDT

Smith6612 : You're welcome as well :)

As a side note, the Verizon direct forum is »/forum/vzdirect

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Tue, 27 Jan 2009 11:29:49 EDT

G_Sup : Thanks so much for your time Smith! Very much appreciated!

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Tue, 27 Jan 2009 11:28:11 EDT

Smith6612 : It all depends. If you would prefer the faster speeds, scrap the idea of FastPath for now and call in the faster speeds. However, if you want to get lower ping, you can scrap the idea of higher speeds and get FastPath. If anything, I would get the FastPath now, and then once it is turned on, if there is still margin left over we can see about getting it to 3Mbps. The speed boost will take more of a hit to the margin than FastPath will.

So go for FastPath for now. If you post in the Verizon Direct forum, you may be able to get it sometime today or tomorrow. Once it is in, see how the line performs and post up the transceiver stats from your modem, and we can see about that speed boost.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Tue, 27 Jan 2009 11:26:03 EDT

G_Sup : Which would be better in your opinion? 3Mbps or staying with 1.5 and FastPath? Today is the first I have ever heard about this fastpath stuff so I'm rather clueless.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Tue, 27 Jan 2009 11:22:12 EDT

Smith6612 : Your line should be able to do 3Mbps. I'm not too sure about 3Mbps + FastPath, but if your line can do 3Mbps, keeping it at 1.5Mbps will let you get FastPath. If you choose to get 3Mbps, if there's still some margin left over or if you want to take a slight hit on some speeds, you can go for FastPath.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Tue, 27 Jan 2009 11:18:55 EDT

G_Sup : Hello Smith, you are quite a help here! Being a gamer I am always looking for fast speeds. Right now I have the 1.5/386 package and was wondering if I too can get upgraded to fastpath or even 3.0mb.

Mode: G.DMT
Type: Interleave
Line Coding: Trellis On
Status: No Defect
Link Power State: L0

Downstream Upstream
SNR Margin (dB): 17.1 24.0
Attenuation (dB): 47.0 25.0
Output Power (dBm): 8.2 11.9
Attainable Rate (Kbps): 7040 1124
Rate (Kbps): 1792 448

Any input would be appreciated!

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Tue, 27 Jan 2009 10:59:25 EDT

Smith6612 : You're welcome :)

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Tue, 27 Jan 2009 10:58:51 EDT

dadein : Thank-you...

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Tue, 27 Jan 2009 10:54:36 EDT

Smith6612 : Your line is fine for FastPath :). As per the 3Mbps service, your line may be able to handle it, BUT it's right at the edge of service so expect dropouts, and you will not be able to get FastPath unless you want to reduce the sync rate. So it can be FastPath, OR 3.0Mbps. If your CO has ADSL2+, you should be able to get both just as long as the modem can sync with ADSL2+.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Tue, 27 Jan 2009 10:51:15 EDT

dadein : Would you please give me a recommendation on weather my line could be configured for FastPath AND/OR 3.0/786 service? Thanks

Transceiver Revision: 4.3.0.1
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT Mode
Data Path: Interleaved
Transceiver Information Down Stream Path Up Stream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 1792 448
Margin (dB) 16.5 20.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 56.5 31.5
Transmit Power (dBm) 13.4 11.8

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sat, 24 Jan 2009 00:03:55 EDT

magic108 : Thanks

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Fri, 23 Jan 2009 23:35:04 EDT

Smith6612 : That line should be good to go for FastPath.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Fri, 23 Jan 2009 23:08:24 EDT

magic108 : Transceiver Revision: 7.2.3.0
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT Mode
Data Path: Interleaved

Transceiver Information Downstream Path Upstream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 864 160
Margin (dB) 14.0 28.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 52.5 31.5
Transmit Power (dBm) 2.4 11.7
How about me?

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Fri, 23 Jan 2009 16:30:20 EDT

Smith6612 : Yes, your line is fine for it :) Go ahead and request it.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Fri, 23 Jan 2009 15:49:48 EDT

Jnomad72 : Transceiver Statistics

Transceiver Revision: 7.2.3.0
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT Mode
Data Path: Interleaved

Transceiver Information Downstream Path Upstream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 3360 864
Margin (dB) 18.5 15.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 38.5 21.0
Transmit Power (dBm) 7.4 11.8

Can my line support Fast Path?
Thanks!

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Fri, 23 Jan 2009 03:40:05 EDT

Jodokast96 : Yeah.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Fri, 23 Jan 2009 02:39:42 EDT

cap1218 : Hi, I was wondering if I would be good for fastpath?

Transceiver Revision: 6.2.0.211
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT Mode
Data Path: Interleaved
Transceiver Information Down Stream Path Up Stream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 1184 448
Margin (dB) 27.0 24.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 40.0 26.0
Transmit Power (dBm) 4.5 11.9

Thanks for the help!

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 22 Jan 2009 19:26:03 EDT

Smith6612 : As I stated in a PM, the line just needs to be cleaned up a little bit, but the Verizon Direct forum is here:

»/forum/vzdirect

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 22 Jan 2009 19:17:23 EDT

jburnes : Also, I can't find the "Verizon Direct" forum to post my request in if you guys think I should have fastpath. Are you talking about the Verizon DSL forum, because other than that, the other 2 verizon forums are about FIOS?

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 22 Jan 2009 18:44:33 EDT

jburnes : Here are my stats:

Transceiver Revision: 4.3.0.1
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT Mode
Data Path: Interleaved
Transceiver Information Down Stream Path Up Stream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 3360 832
Margin (dB) 17.0 9.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 32.0 17.0
Transmit Power (dBm) 7.6 11.8

Can I get fastpath? I do gaming on the xbox 360 and my ping rate could definitely be better. I also called Verizon and upgraded to 7.1 but that won't take effect until 1/28.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sun, 18 Jan 2009 17:44:43 EDT

Smith6612 : Basically it takes some simple steps, the same as if you were having DSL connectivity issues. Basically, plug the modem into a NID (a grey box found on the outside of your home typically) and see if the line stats are better. If they are, then you've ruled out that something inside of your home is inserting some noise into the phone line/cable that the DSL modem is connecting through. If things are not better at the NID, it's probably just your wiring from your NID to Verizon's exchange for your home. You'll need to bring power outside to the NID for the modem, so use an extension cord and use the smallest twisted pair phone cable as well. The one that comes with the modem is a good cable to use. If you don't have a laptop, a long ethernet cable or a wireless router will work to get the transceiver stats from the modem.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sun, 18 Jan 2009 17:23:30 EDT

IntelCeleron : Probably not the place to ask but, how would I go about cleaning up my line?

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sun, 18 Jan 2009 17:20:41 EDT

Smith6612 : Your line is close enough to take FastPath, however your upstream isn't synced properly. If you can, clean up the line a little bit and try to get a little more margin out of it, and you should be all set to go.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sun, 18 Jan 2009 16:12:40 EDT

IntelCeleron : Fastpath?

Transceiver Information Downstream Path Upstream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 3360 800
Margin (dB) 14.5 10.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 37.0 22.0
Transmit Power (dBm) 8.1 11.9

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sat, 17 Jan 2009 13:30:11 EDT

Smith6612 : Your line should be fine for FastPath.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sat, 17 Jan 2009 10:42:07 EDT

tamanaco : Transreceiver Revision: 6.2.0.211
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT Mode
Data Path: Interleaved

Stats from port where my Westell 6100 is connected
--------------------------------------------------
Transreceiver Information Up / Down
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 3360 / 864
Margin (dB) 14.0 / 11.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 31.0 / 17.0
Transmit Power (dBm) 16.9 / 11.8

Stats from the test port of the NID
-----------------------------------
Transreceiver Information Up / Down
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 3360 / 864
Margin (dB) 14.1 / 11.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 30.5 / 17.0
Transmit Power (dBm) 16.4 / 11.8

Can I switch to FastPath? Can my line qualify for 5.0 or 7.1?

Line Quality test results: »/linequality/nil/2477766

Thanks

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sat, 17 Jan 2009 00:05:56 EDT

Smith6612 : Half Ringers may have something to do with it. I don't know enough about those to give you a good answer though, sorry.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Fri, 16 Jan 2009 23:43:40 EDT

lowvibes : I have dry loop DSL, would a half ringer lower the noise margins also? I remember seeing a clear plastic similar to this »Verizon Online DSL FAQ »What is a half ringer? when the tech was troubleshooting my line for no signal. He then came inside and plugged in a tester to the DSL jack and got a busy signal.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Fri, 16 Jan 2009 22:01:41 EDT

Smith6612 : The margins drop as the DSL speed increases, as well as how much noise there is on the line and based on line length as well. You are fairly close (1 and a half miles roughy) to your exchange, so if you want, you can try plugging the modem into your NID to see if the margins are higher. As of right now, the margins are too low unless you want to see a drop in the sync rate or some disconnects to even consider FastPath. See what you can do.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Fri, 16 Jan 2009 19:44:49 EDT

lowvibes : Prior to the 7.1Mbps upgrade my stats were

Transceiver Revision: 4.2.0.11
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT Mode
Data Path: Fast
Transceiver Information Down Stream Path Up Stream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 3360 832
Margin (dB) 12.5 11.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 33.5 21.0
Transmit Power (dBm) 8.1 11.9

After Upgrade my stats are

Transceiver Statistics
Transceiver Revision A2pB020b3.d19d
Vendor ID Code 4D54
Line Mode ADSL_G.dmt
Data Path INTERLEAVED

Transceiver Information Down Stream Path Up Stream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 7616 864
Margin (dB) 6.5 14.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 33.0 17.5
Transmit Power (dBm) 19.6 12.1

My Noise Margin on the downstream fluctuates from 6.5 - 7.5.

Would I be able to switch to FastPath? Also do you know why my Margins dropped lower with the speed upgrade?

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Mon, 12 Jan 2009 20:16:13 EDT

Jodokast96 : Yup.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Mon, 12 Jan 2009 20:12:46 EDT

pea : I am wondering if my connection is ok for fastpath?

Transceiver Revision: 01.00.09.00
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT Mode
Data Path: Interleaved
Transceiver Information Down Stream Path Up Stream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 3360 864
Margin (dB) 17.0 15.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 36.5 21.0
Transmit Power (dBm) 16.8 11.0

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sat, 10 Jan 2009 20:44:25 EDT

Smith6612 : The margin on the upstream is a bit on the low side, and it's lost 32kbps of sync, but if you can try to clean up the line slightly, you should be good to go. FastPath should be doable, however expect the upstream sync to drop a little more to make room for FastPath.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sat, 10 Jan 2009 20:35:44 EDT

Richard W : Will this work for FastPath?

Transceiver Revision: 4.2.0.11
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT Mode
Data Path: Interleaved
Transceiver Information Down Stream Path Up Stream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 3360 832
Margin (dB) 12.0 9.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 38.0 29.0
Transmit Power (dBm) 19.4 11.9

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sat, 10 Jan 2009 01:00:27 EDT

Smith6612 : @tennebrae: You need to follow some steps of troubleshooting. Basically, it's plug the modem into the NID (a grey box on the side of your home typically) and use a laptop or something to see if the stats are better there. If they're better there, a new wire needs to be ran or a dedicated DSL wiring needs to be ran. You can create a new topic in the forum if you'd like help on this. Me and others can help out.

@TheArtz11: Verizon right now due to your line seems to have you provisioned at 1.5Mbps/386kbps service as they figured you wouldn't hold the full 3Mbps speed. your case seems to be a line noise issue. Create a topic in the forum and we can help see if we can boost your margins a bit, so that you get the speed higher and possibly room for FastPath as well.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Fri, 09 Jan 2009 21:41:42 EDT

anon : Hi all,
I am a newbie, as I just discovered this page today. Here are my stats. First I am supposed to have 3mb (recently upgraded from 768kb) so I am looking into why I am not receiving that. Second, I noticed from what little I know, these stats stink. Any one able to tell me why? Is this an issue with my line internally, or Verizon?

Transceiver Revision: 4.3.0.1
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT Mode
Data Path: Interleaved
Transceiver Information Down Stream Path Up Stream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 736 448
Margin (dB) 8.0 19.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 53.0 31.5
Transmit Power (dBm) 14.0 11.9

Any and all advice would be appreciated!

Thanks.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Fri, 09 Jan 2009 20:23:05 EDT

tennebrae : How do I "clean up", my line? with soup?

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Fri, 09 Jan 2009 19:47:37 EDT

Smith6612 : Your downstream portion of the line isn't synced properly. Right now I'd try to fix your sync by trying to clean up your line a little bit, and then if the sync is 3360/864 and the margins are better, you can get it. But if you want it for now, your upstream sync will take a little more of a hit but visit the Verizon Direct forum. I'd try to clean it up first though, but it's your line.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Fri, 09 Jan 2009 19:02:20 EDT

tennebrae : transceiver Revision: 7.2.3.0
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT Mode
Data Path: Interleaved

Transceiver Information Downstream Path Upstream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 3360 768
Margin (dB) 14.0 10.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 45.5 28.0
Transmit Power (dBm) 15.0 11.9

I would like to go FastPath
I have called verizon about interleaved and FastPath they have no clue what i am talking about

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 08 Jan 2009 15:48:32 EDT

Smith6612 : Visit the Verizon Direct forum on this site to ask for it. If you read the stats yourself, hope you know that FastPath does lower the margins a little bit.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 08 Jan 2009 15:07:50 EDT

wafizarudin : Put me on fast path.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 08 Jan 2009 14:58:46 EDT

anon : I want to be on the fast path, how do i do this.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Mon, 05 Jan 2009 06:19:05 EDT

Smith6612 : Your line should handle FastPath with no problem. Just ask for it in the Verizon Direct forum located on this site.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Mon, 05 Jan 2009 00:05:55 EDT

lenonh : ok here are my stats:

Transceiver Statistics

Transceiver Revision: 7.2.3.0
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT Mode
Data Path: Interleaved

Transceiver Information Downstream Path Upstream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 1792 448
Margin (dB) 14.0 20.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 50.0 31.0
Transmit Power (dBm) 14.0 11.8

if I can get fast track where do I ask?

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Fri, 02 Jan 2009 21:44:43 EDT

Smith6612 : Looking good. Go ahead and ask for FastPath :)

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Fri, 02 Jan 2009 21:39:11 EDT

tsppm : Transceiver Revision: 7.2.3.0
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT Mode
Data Path: Interleaved

Transceiver Information

Downstream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) = 3360
Margin (dB) = 18.5
Line Attenuation (dB) = 24.5
Transmit Power (dBm) = 7.6

Upstream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec = 864
Margin (dB) = 13.0
Line Attenuation (dB) = 15.0
Transmit Power (dBm) = 11.9

Hope I am able for Fastpath =)

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Mon, 29 Dec 2008 17:08:26 EDT

Smith6612 : RebelSpy, with those stats you can take the full 3Mbps speed with FastPath. Before you get FastPath, call up Verizon and have them fix your provisioning to the full 3Mbps plan, then once it comes, ask for FastPath in the Verizon Direct forum.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Mon, 29 Dec 2008 14:58:49 EDT

rebelspy : DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 1792 448
Margin (dB) 31.5 27.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 39.0 20.5
Transmit Power (dBm) 7.3 12.0

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 25 Dec 2008 05:11:57 EDT

Jodokast96 : You may not get 7.1, but it can't hurt to ask. They may provision you for 5/768 which may be worth the price to you.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Wed, 24 Dec 2008 23:28:08 EDT

Smith6612 : You're pretty much past the limit for 7.1Mbps, but you can still send 3Mbps out a little farther on good wires and a bit more with ADSL2/2+ should you be wondering. For the upstream, that'll probably go downhill quicker.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Wed, 24 Dec 2008 23:07:39 EDT

VirtualLarry : Transceiver Revision: 7.2.3.0
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT Mode
Data Path: Interleaved

Transceiver Information Downstream Path Upstream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 3360 864
Margin (dB) 15.0 9.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 41.5 26.0
Transmit Power (dBm) 18.5 11.8

Do you think that I will qualify for 7.1? Or am I at the limit of 3.0/768?

Sometimes, my upstream doesn't sync that high, sometimes it syncs at 640.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Tue, 23 Dec 2008 21:42:19 EDT

Jodokast96 : Sure.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Tue, 23 Dec 2008 21:41:51 EDT

nitdkim : Do i qualify?

Transceiver Revision: 6.2.0.211
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT Mode
Data Path: Interleaved
Transceiver Information Down Stream Path Up Stream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 3360 864
Margin (dB) 17.5 11.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 29.0 15.0
Transmit Power (dBm) 7.5 11.9

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Tue, 23 Dec 2008 06:08:26 EDT

Smith6612 : You could but your recent upgrade to 7.1Mbps took the margins down to a low area. So while I'm a bit iffy, if you're willing to possibly lower the margin enough to cause some slight troubles, then it should be fine. Otherwise, I'd say it's a no go as the margins are a bit low.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Mon, 22 Dec 2008 22:17:21 EDT

RTFirefly : Should I try for fastpath?

Transceiver Revision A2pB020b3.d19d
Vendor ID Code 4
Line Mode ADSL_G.dmt
Data Path INTERLEAVED

Transceiver Information Down Stream Path Up Stream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 7616 864
Margin (dB) 7.6 11.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 39.0 24.0
Transmit Power (dBm) 19.7 11.9

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Wed, 17 Dec 2008 21:20:06 EDT

Smith6612 : Yes it would :). Go ahead and request it. Should you ask, you can take 7.1Mbps speeds as well as you have plenty of margin to work with.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:46:57 EDT

mikeemon : Would this qualify for FastPath?

Transceiver Statistics
Transceiver Revision A2pB020b3.d19d
Vendor ID Code 4D54
Line Mode ADSL_G.dmt
Data Path INTERLEAVED

Transceiver Information Down Stream Path Up Stream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 3360 864
Margin (dB) 29.5 18.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 19.0 9.0
Transmit Power (dBm) 4.4 11.9

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Tue, 16 Dec 2008 14:01:49 EDT

Jodokast96 : Not like that. Your attenuation is low enough though that it may be possible to clean up the line and raise your margins.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Tue, 16 Dec 2008 11:36:18 EDT

IntelCeleron : Fastpath?

Transceiver Revision: 4.2.0.11
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT Mode
Data Path: Interleaved
Transceiver Information Down Stream Path Up Stream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 3360 800
Margin (dB) 5.0 11.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 40.0 25.0
Transmit Power (dBm) 11.3 11.9

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Fri, 12 Dec 2008 06:55:25 EDT

Smith6612 : We're talking about one of these boxes. Since you said there's a box, I assume this is it.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Fri, 12 Dec 2008 02:16:43 EDT

wafizarudin : Ok, you guys are talking about the demark box right? I have a wire that comes out of that and goes to a box than to my modem, all the wires that im using came from verizon, all the wires only have 2 in them. I have a stand alone setup from my modem i have the wires that come from verizon strait to my computer.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:20:31 EDT

Jodokast96 : As is, it will most likely be fine. But if we can get things a little higher, there will be no doubt. One little thing that may help is if you are using a standard, flat phone cord, try finding the rounded one that should have shipped with your modem and use that. It doesn't mean an automatic improvement will happen, but it is a better cable, and it can't hurt any.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:24:33 EDT

Smith6612 : The NID test? Basically you need to locate the demarcation point from the wire that comes from the pole or street to the wiring in your home. It's typically a grey box on the outside of your home or in the basement. Inside of that box, there is a test jack in which you can use to plug the modem into. Plug the modem into that jack, and power it on and post up the line statistics again. It'd be convenient to borrow a laptop for a few minutes if you don't have one.

For switching to FastPath, you can visit the Verizon Direct forum at this site and let them know that you want to move to FastPath. Do the NID test first as Jodokast suggested to see if we can get some more margin on the line before asking.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 11 Dec 2008 14:56:26 EDT

wafizarudin : How do i do this?

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 11 Dec 2008 14:41:58 EDT

wafizarudin : how do i go about doing this?

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 11 Dec 2008 14:41:35 EDT

wafizarudin : How do i go about doing it.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 11 Dec 2008 13:40:46 EDT

Jodokast96 :

said by Smith6612 :

Margins are a bit on the low side for FastPath, but it should be doable.

I'd test again at the NID first to see if there is any internal work that can be done to clean up the line first. This one just cuts it really close IMO.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 11 Dec 2008 06:16:53 EDT

Smith6612 : Margins are a bit on the low side for FastPath, but it should be doable.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 11 Dec 2008 02:58:21 EDT

wafizarudin : Transceiver Revision: 7.2.3.0
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT Mode
Data Path: Interleaved

Transceiver Information Downstream Path Upstream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 3360 864
Margin (dB) 9.5 11.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 46.0 27.5
Transmit Power (dBm) 6.7 11.8

I dont know much about internet, but im a gamer, and i want to know if i can get fast path

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:58:26 EDT

Smith6612 : You're good to go for FastPath! Let your buddy know if his margins are 10 or above that he should be good to go as well. The quickest way to get FastPath would be to register at this site and use the Verizon Direct forum. Many people here have found that to be the best way, but phone support will be able to help you as well.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Tue, 09 Dec 2008 22:47:46 EDT

anon : Hi there. I'm new to this fastpath and Interleave stuff, but I've had Verizon DSL for about 3 years and I seem to get high latency quite a bit. I swear the connection only works like it should about %40 of the time. A buddy of mine that lives down the road has the same problems, as we often play online games together and lag at the same time. I'll post my trans stats and see if there is anything I can do. Thanks!

Transceiver Revision: 7.2.3.0
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT Mode
Data Path: Interleaved

Transceiver Information Downstream Path Upstream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 864 160
Margin (dB) 16.5 31.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 38.5 28.0
Transmit Power (dBm) 4.1 11.7

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sun, 23 Nov 2008 15:40:41 EDT

Smith6612 : It's typically not too hard to determine if they qualify for a package or not. I take their line stats, look at the attenuation and margins, and the transmit power and decide if they may have some room for it. Typically, I say that they can go to another package, say from 3Mbps to 7.1Mbps if the margin is 18dB or above, and the attenuation is 30 or below, ADSL2+ I'll push attenuation up slightly higher. If I see that something else may affect the line, I wouldn't even state getting the speed boost or changing to something else in the first place. If I know the user's line won't handle things the greatest, I always state why and state that they can move to Fast Packet, at the expense of some possible sync rate rduction.

Also, I've always heard that 7,000ft was the cutoff for 7.1Mbps service, and that 10,000-12,000ft was the cutoff for 3Mbps service, and any more up to 18,000+ feet is the end of 768kbps service. Sure, I can't tell wire gauge or type by looking at the modem stats, but I can at least give a good idea on how far they are, and what they should be able to hold. If they can't hold it, they can either have the sync rate slightly reduced, or go back to how things were before. As for lag times on Interleaved vs. Fast Packet, if you play a lot of shooters on a fact PC, you'll certainly notice the difference between the two.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sun, 23 Nov 2008 15:03:42 EDT

anon : smith6621 your telling people they qualify for speed packages you know nothing about. Just because a line test good at 3megs does not mean it will work at 7megs. Nothing read from the modem gives any clue about cable makeup. Its distance related. not okey to tell people, your test look good at 3megs and your fine.

Unless do you work for mcow?

3 megs works fine up too about 10k ft on a good line with little to no 26g cable. The more 26g cable the more the distance for 3 megs decreases. 7megs works up to about 5k ft depending again on 26g cable.

People think if they get a higher speed package that will improve ping times and make them better gamers. Doubtful.
again your talking about miliseconds if you think you need a 20ms advantage or even a 60ms over your oponent, your a newb.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sun, 23 Nov 2008 14:30:33 EDT

anon : Its not fast path its called fast packet ...... at the beginning incompetent phone tech's could not comprehend packet and started calling it path.

Switching to interleaved will help if your a bit outside the requirements of the line but will not help if there is an actual problem on the line that needs to be addressed ior you simply dont qualify for the speed package your at because of distance or cable make-up. Its not the dream fix everyone is hoping for.

Some techs will switch you to interleaved as a short term solution to get you off the phone but over time the line can degrade and your back where you started.

Ping times will increase but if you have a stable connection with slightly higher ping times you wont even notice the difference. Your talking about mili seconds and I seriously doubt a human can detect the difference between 30ms and 60ms.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sun, 23 Nov 2008 12:39:18 EDT

Smith6612 : You're good to go for FastPath.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sun, 23 Nov 2008 01:55:02 EDT

kira0518 : Here's my data, am I good for fast path?

Transceiver Statistics
Transceiver Revision A2pB020b3.d19d
Vendor ID Code 4D54
Line Mode ADSL_G.dmt
Data Path INTERLEAVED

Transceiver Information Down Stream Path Up Stream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 3360 832
Margin (dB) 18.6 15.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 25.0 11.5
Transmit Power (dBm) 8.0 12.2

Thanks for help

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Fri, 21 Nov 2008 22:33:14 EDT

Smith6612 : You can take both FastPath and 7.1Mbps speeds on that line :)

And GRrrrrr, your downstream margin seems fine. Your modem isn't reporting any other stats besides the margin and the attenuation for the downstream, but I say it should be good to go.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Fri, 21 Nov 2008 16:16:05 EDT

LittleSaint : FastPath and/or 7.1?

DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 3360 864
Margin (dB) 28.5 11.5
Line Attenuation (dB) 28.5 16.0
Transmit Power (dBm) 12.3 20.5

Thx.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Fri, 21 Nov 2008 11:35:33 EDT

anon : Did a quick test before work this morning.
Here's the stats:

Noise Margin: N/A 16.0
Output Power: N/A N/A
Attenuation: N/A 59.0
Data Rate 448 1792

Thanks.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:25:12 EDT

Jodokast96 : After you open the tool, hit CTRL+ALT+F7 and select the DSL tab.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:21:35 EDT

anon : I know that I don't have fastpath.
Every test that I have done have a response times of 40ms or more in a GTE hop.

All my games has ping of 40 - 200ms. Being 60ms avg.
I've already tried calling in to have it change a few times in the last year, and each time, I couldn't get it done.

Now that I've just realized, it can be requested through the Verizon Direct forum.
The only problem is that, I couldn't get any stats and is wondering if I could request it anyways.

The Westell Diagnostic Utility does not show any stats. All it shows is that the modem is online. Unless there's something else that I'll need to click....

Thanks for your reply.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Wed, 19 Nov 2008 21:44:42 EDT

Smith6612 : Well, to find out if you have FastPath or not the easy way, run a trace route to google.com using Windows and post it up. Don't use the connection while it's running. Additionally you can download the Westell Diagnostic Utility to look at the modem's stats to see if you can handle it/have it already. There are some threads if you use the Search here that have the link to the Diagnostic utility if you'd like to use that.

To run a trace route in windows, open up command prompt and type in "tracert google.com" without the quotes. Press Enter, and let it go until you see Trace Complete. If all you see are a continuation of Stars, just end the trace. Once the trace is done, in the upper left hand corner of the window, there is a small icon. Click that, go to the Edit menu, select Select All from the Edit menu, and then press Enter to copy the text. Post the trace route up here.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Wed, 19 Nov 2008 19:51:28 EDT

anon : I have a B90-210015-C DSL modem and it does not have a web service.
How do I get the stats to see if I can switch to FastPath?
Can I just try to request it without the stats?

Thanks.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:01:35 EDT

Smith6612 : This below FAQ search should answer your questions.

»/nsearch?q=syn···earch=Go

Basically, I said that because the upstream's margin is at 9dB. Typically, I find that when FastPath or a speed is bumped up slightly at 9dB margin, the line will usually sync at 832kbps rather than 864kbps which you're at now. But given your attenuation, you should be fine even if 32kbps of sync is shaved off.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:46:48 EDT

Richard W : Thanks for the feedback.
I have a few questions.

What is upstream sync and what does it mean when you say that it may lower slightly?

Is there a link you can provide to help me understand what the stats mean?

said by Smith6612 :

That line should be ok. The upstream sync may lower slightly but if you're willing to cope with that, you should be all set to go.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Mon, 17 Nov 2008 06:05:00 EDT

Smith6612 : That line should be ok. The upstream sync may lower slightly but if you're willing to cope with that, you should be all set to go.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sun, 16 Nov 2008 22:16:39 EDT

Richard W : Here are my stats. Should I try for FastPath?
Transceiver Revision: 4.2.0.11
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT Mode
Data Path: Interleaved
Transceiver Information Down Stream Path Up Stream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 3360 864
Margin (dB) 14.0 9.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 38.5 29.0
Transmit Power (dBm) 12.7 11.9

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Fri, 14 Nov 2008 06:54:40 EDT

Smith6612 : No problem. If you need any more help, you know where to find us :)

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 13 Nov 2008 23:21:34 EDT

anon : Problem resolved. My upload SNRM is up to 9.5dB.

The ISP I'm with have enabled a feature which allows you to manually change your line profile via your member profile.

I had it set to "Optimize for speed"

Handy little tool :)

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 13 Nov 2008 22:54:27 EDT

anon : Great, thanks for the help.

Yes, I'm on ADSL 2+ I've managed to get speeds of up to 23,000kbps/1,400kbps (Down/Up) in the past, but my service has degraded over the past couple of week, apparently due to "upgrades." My upload SNRM used to be around 7dB.

Anyway, I think I'll take your advice and stick with FastPath as I'm an avid gamer and we all know, besides skill, latency is key to winning the opponent :)

Thanks again,

Vector.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 13 Nov 2008 21:55:00 EDT

Smith6612 : We can surely help you. I can see that you must have a high speed ADSL2/2+ connection there, but you're also very close to the exchange. If the line isn't disconnecting or dropping, I say Great, it'd be OK to stick with FastPath despite the low upstream margin, however if you notice packet loss on your line consistently, reduced speeds or resyncing especially on the upstream side consistently, you might want to go back to Interleaved. If it's a resyncing issue, you can either let the modem find a stable place to sit at slightly below your provisioned speed, or you can go to Interleaved, your choice. I'm not used to seeing sync rates that high over DSL so I'm letting down on my SNR of 6 and below = no good rule here. Your downstream margin is accepatable though so there shouldn't be too much to worry about there even though that is usually the one to fluctuate.

If it holds stabally and is reliable, it should be fine. I've seen DSL connections hold at some insanely low margins (0.5dB downstream for 10 minutes anyone? :D) and still get the same latency and speed and not have any packet loss with FastPath.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Thu, 13 Nov 2008 21:28:06 EDT

anon : Hi there,

I'm not from the US so I won't be on the same ISP as you guys but I was hoping you could help me anyway.

I recently switched my profile to FastPath, but am a bit worried about the stats, especially my upload SNRM.

Link Information;

Modulation: G.992.5 Annex A
Bandwidth (Up/Down) [kbps/kbps]: 1,412 / 16,048
Output Power (Up/Down) [dBm]: 12.0 / 18.5
Line Attenuation (Up/Down) [dB]: 5.5 / 13.5
SN Margin (Up/Down) [dB]: 3.5 / 13.0

Loss of Framing (Local/Remote): 37 / 0
Loss of Signal (Local/Remote): 51 / 0
Loss of Power (Local/Remote): 0 / 0
Loss of Link (Remote): 0
Error Seconds (Local/Remote): 659 / 0
FEC Errors (Up/Down): 0 / 23,712,350
CRC Errors (Up/Down): 318 / 408
HEC Errors (Up/Down): 2,140 / 365

No idea what most of that means, so I hope I can pick your brains on this one. Should I switch back to Interleaved?

Thanks.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Mon, 10 Nov 2008 03:46:55 EDT

Jodokast96 : No.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sun, 09 Nov 2008 22:37:57 EDT

jkuehn : Hello. I'm getting a lot of drops on my Verizon DSL line. My transceiver stats are below. Should I ask for FastPath? Thanks!

Transceiver Revision: 4.2.0.11
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT Mode
Data Path: Interleaved
Transceiver Information Down Stream Path Up Stream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 3072 832
Margin (dB) 5.0 10.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 40.0 27.0
Transmit Power (dBm) 18.3 11.8

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sun, 09 Nov 2008 22:16:06 EDT

Smith6612 : The upstream needs to get cleaned up a little as it's out of the proper sync, but that line is good to go for 7.1Mbps with FastPath as you're within a mile from the exchange. You can go for FastPath if you'd like right now, just expect the upstream sync to drop slightly because of the low margin. Downstream, nothing to worry about there.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sun, 09 Nov 2008 21:32:26 EDT

jedijosh17 : Here are my stats. Also wondering if I'd be available for the 7.1 speeds.

Transceiver Revision: 6.2.0.211
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT Mode
Data Path: Interleaved
Transceiver Information Down Stream Path Up Stream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 3360 800
Margin (dB) 20.5 10.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 22.5 15.0
Transmit Power (dBm) 8.6 11.9

Thanks for your time :)

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sat, 08 Nov 2008 01:50:02 EDT

Smith6612 : Sorry about the delayed response. I wouldn't really go for it as the line is already slightly out of sync and has a low upstream margin.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sun, 02 Nov 2008 23:00:46 EDT

coli : Is this good enough for fast path?

3360 / 832 Kbps

SNR Margin (Downstream/Upstream):15/9
Attenuation (Downstream/Upstream):48/30

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sun, 02 Nov 2008 21:42:27 EDT

Smith6612 : You already have FastPath. However your line stats are terrible. I would see if you can clean up your phone line quite a bit, as your attenuation is way too high on the downstream (shows you're getting DSL past it's operating attenuation for all of Verizon's plans), but dispite the high attenuation on the upstream, it suggests that the line is just being attenuated nad noised up a lot as that certainly has a nice noise margin.

Start a topic some place on this forum and we can help you try to improve those stats before you take the jump to Interleaved.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sun, 02 Nov 2008 21:02:49 EDT

chevyman1856 : Should I switch to interleave??

Transceiver Revision A2pB020b3.d19d
Vendor ID Code 4D54
Line Mode ADSL_re-adsl
Data Path FAST

Transceiver Information Down Stream Path Up Stream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 562 155
Margin (dB) 7.3 24.5
Line Attenuation (dB) 75.0 37.3
Transmit Power (dBm) 16.2 10.2

Thanks Erik

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sun, 02 Nov 2008 18:51:52 EDT

jeazor : How do I know if I can get 7mb?

Thanks for everything

James

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sun, 02 Nov 2008 10:31:09 EDT

Jodokast96 : »/forum/vzdirect

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sun, 02 Nov 2008 10:26:18 EDT

jeazor : Ok my next ? is where do I request for fastpath? Sorry for being a noob

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sun, 02 Nov 2008 10:21:49 EDT

Jodokast96 : Yes sir.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Sun, 02 Nov 2008 10:19:44 EDT

jeazor : Am I good to go for fast Path?

Transceiver Revision: 4.3.0.1
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: ADSL2+ Mode
Data Path: Interleaved
Transceiver Information Down Stream Path Up Stream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 3354 861
Margin (dB) 21.0 10.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 33.5 14.5
Transmit Power (dBm) 17.2 12.3

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Wed, 29 Oct 2008 18:51:22 EDT

Smith6612 : OK. It's pretty simple to understand. Your Sync rate is measured in Kilobits per second, and proper sync rate should be 3360 on the downstream or download side of the modem, and upstream or upload sync should be 864kbps.

Line mode is what kind of ADSL/mode your line is on. G.DMT is Verizon standard, however dependant on area, ADSL2+ and other line modes can be used.

Margin is the measure of DSL signal to your line noise. Your modem can detect this based on the amount of errors that come into the modem. Most of these errors are not noticable or detectable until the line margin gets very, very low. The margin you don't want to be near is 6dB as it shows you might disconnect if the line varies, but 10dB and above is a good margin to maintain.

Line attenuation is how much the DSL signal is weakened by factors such as wire length, old, degraded, and/or low gauge wire, wether there's twisted cable available (twisted pair cable has less noise on it), and of course the things around you. Think of attenuation as turning down the volume on a TV. As more attenuation is added, the quieter the signal is and the harder it is for the modem to hear the DSLAM, and the harder it is for the modem to transmit back to the DSLAM, and the more attenuation there is on a line, the harder the equipment has to work to try to maintain sync, such as increasing the line power.

The transmit power is simply how much energy is getting sent through to the line.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Wed, 29 Oct 2008 18:38:36 EDT

coolboy0286 : Woh, hold on there with the terminology, wantta explain to me what those things are?

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Wed, 29 Oct 2008 18:29:06 EDT

Smith6612 : Your margin on the downstream is a bit low. The upstream sync is off on 32kbps, but yet it looks like your downstream attenuation is higher than it should be. I think you might be able to quality for FastPath once the line is cleaned up if it is in fact a little noisy on the DSL side. A NID test or using another jack close to the NID using the rounded cable the modem came with might show some better stats.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Wed, 29 Oct 2008 17:40:48 EDT

coolboy0286 :
Transceiver Revision: 7.1.254
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT-Mode
Data Path: Interleaved
Transceiver Information Down Stream Path Up Stream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 3360 832
Margin (db) 8.5 12.0
Line Attenuation (db) 53.0 18.5
Transmit Power (db/Hz) 15.0 11.0

Do I qualify for fastpath?

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Tue, 28 Oct 2008 08:27:16 EDT

Jodokast96 : Just try a reboot first.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Tue, 28 Oct 2008 06:56:06 EDT

Smith6612 : You would quality for it, however your upstream sync is not synced properly, and the noise margin is too low on the upstream. I would get the line cleaned up a little so that the upstream syncs at 864kbps, and the margin is a bit higher than 9 as well if possible. Once you do this, you're all set to go.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Mon, 27 Oct 2008 22:23:36 EDT

superdave97 : Just moved into Verizon area, would I qualify for fastpath?

Transceiver Revision: 7.2.3.0
Vendor ID Code: 4
Line Mode: G.DMT Mode
Data Path: Interleaved

Transceiver Information Downstream Path Upstream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 3360 768
Margin (dB) 16.0 9.0
Line Attenuation (dB) 32.0 22.0
Transmit Power (dBm) 7.4 11.9

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Wed, 22 Oct 2008 17:18:31 EDT

Smith6612 : Nice sync you have there :). As Jodo stated, FastPath is doable on that line so go ahead and ask for it in the V* direct forum.

Re: Need to switch between Interleave and FastPath? Part 2

Wed, 22 Oct 2008 08:34:15 EDT

Jodokast96 : Oooohhhh!!! 7.1 and good stats to boot! By all means, go for Fastpath. The US Margin is low, but I don't think it will be an issue. The best place to request it is in the Verizon Direct forum on this site.