caribconsult
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Re: Terrible idea...
Jester: actually, the LSAT worked out just fine for me, I don't remember my score, but it was sufficient to get admitted to law school, I graduated in 1968 with a Juris Doctorate (but you don't have to call me Dr.) and then passed the NY Bar Exam (reportedly one of the toughest in the nation) on my first shot. While I no longer practice law, I still regard the whole experience as a valuable lesson in reading comprehension. Does that answer your question?
It seems to me you're not making the distinction between reading something and comprehending what you have read. I'm not here to defend or accuse judges in general, but the mere fact that they went through all this process would seem to give them a leg-up on comprehension, although there are many instances where this seems to have been disregarded. One can have training and still not use it in certain situations.
Please don't take any part of this as a personal flame. I don't play that game and have been known to issue 'knock it off' statements to those who do. This is just a forum for ideas and we all want to keep it that way.
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snipper_cr
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Thanks for getting back on topic jester.
Yeah I was trying to imply the Judges were a bit smarter, but not really because they could read. Anyone could probably go through and read a TOS but most of us are not sure of all the technical lingo, even if we COULD read in the first place.
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jester121
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Thanks for that. How'd the LSAT work out for you?
If you go back and read what I actually wrote, you'll eventually realize that snipper_cr seemed to imply that the judge who wrote the opinion is "smarter than the average bear" because he was able to somehow read the AT&T policy and discern the fact that they were trying to screw customers. Being able to read and comprehend that doesn't make him smart. It just means he can read.
I'm amazed how people are coming out of the woodwork to defend lawyers -- where are all the cries of "shill" and "fanboy" that we're used to seeing here on BBR? |
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caribconsult
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Jester: I don't know where you get your facts from, but I hope it doesn't come as a big surprise to you that reading comprehension is one of the most important skills in life, not just in getting through law school, without which you'll never become a lawyer, much less a judge.
To get admitted to ANY law school (except the online diploma mills) you have to take the LSAT (Law School Aptitude Test, like the college boards but 10 times harder). If one's reading comprehension is below par, they'll never get a grade sufficient for admission to a reputable law school, in fact I doubt whether they wouldd ever rise above fry-cook at McDonalds.
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Not All Lawyers are Scumbags..
My daughter-in-law is a Lawyer and if you called her a scumbag in front of me I would squeeze your face. I can see her being a Judge some day and she is the savvy-est (is that a word?) person I ever met. I went through arbitration at my job recently and lost my case. Why you ask? The same people that made the original decision were the arbitrators. How fair is that? I can't wait until I retire (1 yr) so I can kick some butt up the food chain on these Government hacks. |
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moonpuppy
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said by jester121  :Arbitration means less money for the lawyers. Judges are all ex lawyers, and their friends are lawyers. Duh? Some poor lawyer will not be able to buy their kids a sports car for their birthday. Won't someone think about the children?
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erock
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Re: Terrible idea...PLUMBERS????
yer kidding, right?
i deal with "plumbers" all the time at my day gig. don't compare plumbers to other trades. pick another one. electrician, mechanic, doctor, whatever. |
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Kiwi
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Re: Terrible idea...
Sometimes it is a conspiracy, I won an impossible custody case because I dumped Lawyers and represented myself, granted not all people will do sufficient research to beat them at their own game though.
Now, about that plumbing job you screwed up |
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morbo
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get a life |
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jester121
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said by ArgMeMatey :You should do a bit of research on "division of labor" and its effects on standards and efficiency in society. As long as we're handing out homework assignments to each other, go research "sarcasm".  |
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raptor1418
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Should have made myself more clear. Yes I think everything is a conspiracy /sarcasm |
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said by nasadude :"...in cases decided in California by a major arbitration firm over a four-year period, consumers lost 94 percent of the time, a new Public Citizen report shows."sounds like consumers are doing great without lawyers. LOL...or maybe 94% of consumers are being unreasonable.
Look at all the p2p pirates. The thieves think they have a God-given right to copy and distribute other people's work without payment yet. Hopefully 94% of them would lose in arbitration. |
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Qumahlin
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said by raptor1418 :said by Nezmo :Why is everything a conspiracy? Are you blind to the reality of how corrupt big business is and not to mention how corrupt our government is right now? and that makes everything a conspiracy how? The judges decision has nothing to do with any conspiracy and worries about taking money away from lawyers.
Companies throw TONS of shit like this in ToS's and EULA's all the time knowing that some day when it gets challenged they will be in trouble. Do you really think the corporate lawyers representing ATT were not aware that you can't legally revoke consumer rights through hidden clauses in contracts? They were aware of it, but in the long run it was better to save the money upfront and worry later about someone challenging them then vice versa
Not everything in life that involves "big business" and "the government" is a conspiracy.
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raptor1418
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said by Nezmo :Why is everything a conspiracy? Are you blind to the reality of how corrupt big business is and not to mention how corrupt our government is right now? |
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old_wiz_60
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The people that do the arbitration are paid by the utilities. They would lose their business if they found in favor of consumers. There is probably something in the secret part of the contract that they must not find in the consumer's favor more than 2% of the time. |
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cdru
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When fix a friends computer, I hate it when they "thought they could fix it so installed program XYZ" and it ended up making it worse. It's their computer and they have the right to do what they want, but it only makes things worse. If they don't know what they are doing, sometimes it's better to let someone who knows what they are doing do it.
When I design/program a website, I hate it when a client tells me how exactly something needs to be done when they don't have a clue what they are talking about. It's their site, and they are usually paying by the hour so if they want to pay for things to be done several times to get it done properly, they can feel free to. But if they don't know what they are talking about, sometimes it's better to let someone who knows what they are doing do it.
Same thing applies to legal representation. In many cases legal professionals have years of personal experience or have access to someone senior that does. Legal matters are often complex and not knowing the proper way to do something can screw you in the end. It's not that a person can't successfully represent themselves, it's just that it's often too complex for a layperson to fully grasp everything that they need to quick enough so that you aren't wasting not only their own time, but also everyone else that is involved with the case as well as the other people's other cases.
And this doesn't even touch on the fact that a person that represents them self usually has a fool for a client. People get emotionally attached to a case and don't always see things clearly and objectively. |
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cdru
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said by jester121 :Judges are all ex lawyers, and their friends are lawyers. And in many cases arbitrators are formerly or currently also lawyers, so I guess your screwed either way. |
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nasadude
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said by jester121 :Arbitration means less money for the lawyers. Judges are all ex lawyers, and their friends are lawyers. Duh? "...in cases decided in California by a major arbitration firm over a four-year period, consumers lost 94 percent of the time, a new Public Citizen report shows."
sounds like consumers are doing great without lawyers. |
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ArgMeMatey
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said by jester121 :said by Nezmo :Why is everything a conspiracy? Try representing yourself in court some time and see how happy the judge is to see you taking food out of the mouths of his friends' children. You should do a bit of research on "division of labor" and its effects on standards and efficiency in society.
I know a lot of lawyers and a few judges. None of them are worried about food for lawyers' kids.
However, some of them are worried about staying on schedule and not conducting law school classes in the courtroom on the public's dime.
You may be the exception, but chances are if you take a blind look at 50 professional plumbing jobs and 50 amateur plumbing jobs, you'll be able to tell pretty accurately which are which. So what do you suppose is the result when a non-lawyer tries to do a lawyer's job? About the same.
Even if you are a DIYer in all other aspects of life, unless the case is trivial and the outcome inconsequential, hiring a lawyer is usually a good idea.
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jester121
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said by Nezmo :Why is everything a conspiracy? Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean people really aren't out to get me. Try representing yourself in court some time and see how happy the judge is to see you taking food out of the mouths of his friends' children. |
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