http://www.dslreports.com/forum/FiOS-internet-with-POTS-on-copper-21037230 en Fri, 10 Feb 2012 11:58:48 EDT Fri, 10 Feb 2012 11:58:48 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FiOS-internet-with-POTS-on-copper-21040554 said by Belspur:

pbvan,

Why are you wasting money on a cell backup for your alarm system.

Just get a APC UPS 1300 and put on your ONT. You will more than enough backup power for both phone and internet.

The savings would pay for that UPS very quickly.
Thanxs for the suggestion. It may be useful to others but for me, unfortunately, it has already been done and I would have to pay a hefty amount for ADT to return the system back to its prior state, without the backup cell unit. The cost was $250.00/installed.

My phone system, cordless, won't work during a power outage. I did get a cheap corded phone, but it is only good for calling out, not receiving calls. As for the internet, my MacBook Pro will only run for as long as the battery does unless I used it directly next to the UPS. I have all my emergency numbers plugged into my cell and I would call ADT immediately to let them know of the power outage and if I needed emergency assistance I would use 911. Crossing fingers, knocking on wood I never need to implement this plan. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FiOS-internet-with-POTS-on-copper-21040554 Mon, 01 Sep 2008 13:58:03 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FiOS-internet-with-POTS-on-copper-21040369
Why are you wasting money on a cell backup for your alarm system.

Just get a APC UPS 1300 and put on your ONT. You will more than enough backup power for both phone and internet.

The savings would pay for that UPS very quickly.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FiOS-internet-with-POTS-on-copper-21040369 Mon, 01 Sep 2008 13:15:38 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FiOS-internet-with-POTS-on-copper-21039965
What irritated me at the beginning of all this with going to FIOS, was I was told my copper line would continue to be connected to the ADT system. What they didn't tell me, after asking specifically, was the copper line outside the ONT would be CUT. The copper line inside my home to my ADT was intact. Had I known this, I would have never gotten FIOS phone, only internet because now my bill is twice as much, I pay extra to ADT for having a back up cell unit more than with my plain, reliable copper line.

I refused to get FIOS TV. I have had Directv and love it. I would love to have my copper back.

ETA: Since this issue last year, FIOS has been rock solid. I have no complaints about the internet or phone, other than the cost. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FiOS-internet-with-POTS-on-copper-21039965 Mon, 01 Sep 2008 11:47:28 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FiOS-internet-with-POTS-on-copper-21039788 8 hrs emergency back up by the Verizon supplied battery isn't necessary true. I did have a power failure in my home less than 6 weeks after install and my battery lasted less than 4 hours. I have ADT which did not have a cell backup at the time and ADT called the police when I didn't answer my phone. Needless to say, I had ADT install a separate cell backup incase FIOS failed again. Also learned to keep my cell phone if I have another power failure.

Thing is I specifically went over these concerns not only with sales but with the installation crew and they all assured me FIOS would have battery backup for 7-8 hours after a power failure and my ADT alarm would not be affected.
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Sounds like you have a defective battery. Mine lasted for 7 1/2 hrs after it was already a year and a half old. If you are within warranty, ask them to send you a new battery. If you aren't, ask the first tech you see if he would help you out by swapping the battery for you if you bring it to him. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FiOS-internet-with-POTS-on-copper-21039788 Mon, 01 Sep 2008 11:00:26 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FiOS-internet-with-POTS-on-copper-21039172
The alarm company was sure that their system wouldn't be able to dial up and single an alarm using the fiber but that was no problem when we tested it..they were using plain old DMTF dialling and regular frequencies similar to faxing for their data transmission.

So the Fios is working fine, but we had to make other arrangements for that one part of the alarm system.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FiOS-internet-with-POTS-on-copper-21039172 Mon, 01 Sep 2008 06:48:16 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FiOS-internet-with-POTS-on-copper-21039049
»www22.verizon.com/content/busine···ices.htm]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FiOS-internet-with-POTS-on-copper-21039049 Mon, 01 Sep 2008 03:29:04 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FiOS-internet-with-POTS-on-copper-21038962 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FiOS-internet-with-POTS-on-copper-21038962 Mon, 01 Sep 2008 02:41:39 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FiOS-internet-with-POTS-on-copper-21038928
As for your old copper once Verizon switches it to fiber, their standard procedure is to leave the NID and old copper lines in place. That way you can go back to copper if you find that you need it more than fiber.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FiOS-internet-with-POTS-on-copper-21038928 Mon, 01 Sep 2008 02:24:08 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FiOS-internet-with-POTS-on-copper-21038909
I believe my copper is buried underground, since I don't have visible poles anywhere in my neighborhood. When they do the switch over, will they leave my copper alone, just in case if for whatever reason in the future I wish to switch back to copper POTS?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FiOS-internet-with-POTS-on-copper-21038909 Mon, 01 Sep 2008 02:14:54 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FiOS-internet-with-POTS-on-copper-21038872 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FiOS-internet-with-POTS-on-copper-21038872 Mon, 01 Sep 2008 01:57:15 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FiOS-internet-with-POTS-on-copper-21038737 said by nycdave:

You can do this, but you will not get any bundle discounts. All bundle discounts apply when POTS and FiOS data/video are on a single account. And most stand-alone FiOS data accounts need to be paid for by a credit card.
what if i have lifeline $1 account and want to keep on POTS but want to add internet? how does that work? thanks!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FiOS-internet-with-POTS-on-copper-21038737 Mon, 01 Sep 2008 01:00:04 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FiOS-internet-with-POTS-on-copper-21038590 said by VZ FiOS :

I can definitely understand and see why you want to keep your phone on copper.

However, in the event of a severe natural disaster chances are your copper phone line (and fiber too if it isn't underground) may even go out if a telephone pole is downed. If you simply lose power due to a thunderstorm outage chances are your copper line will still be functional.

Having it over fiber isn't all that bad though incase of an emergency or blackout. The BBU Verizon supplied will last for 8 hrs after outage plus an emergency reserve if after those 8 hrs an emergency call is needed. Not to mention you can also attach your own secondary battery backup and keep replacing them until power is restored.

Just putting that out there if you hadn't considered it. That's why I went with fiber for POTS because if I really need to I can just keep swapping out battery backups until power was restored. Of course there's always cell phones...
8 hrs emergency back up by the Verizon supplied battery isn't necessary true. I did have a power failure in my home less than 6 weeks after install and my battery lasted less than 4 hours. I have ADT which did not have a cell backup at the time and ADT called the police when I didn't answer my phone. Needless to say, I had ADT install a separate cell backup incase FIOS failed again. Also learned to keep my cell phone if I have another power failure.

Thing is I specifically went over these concerns not only with sales but with the installation crew and they all assured me FIOS would have battery backup for 7-8 hours after a power failure and my ADT alarm would not be affected.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FiOS-internet-with-POTS-on-copper-21038590 Mon, 01 Sep 2008 00:11:14 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FiOS-internet-with-POTS-on-copper-21037760 said by michaelduhan :

Ah, I guess my anti-telemarketing device won't work, since it's powered off the regular phone line (copper). Drats
There's a chance that it will work since to my knowledge the ONT provides power over the copper lines in your home. I wouldn't rule out that possibility until it's proven otherwise.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FiOS-internet-with-POTS-on-copper-21037760 Sun, 31 Aug 2008 21:02:15 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FiOS-internet-with-POTS-on-copper-21037714 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FiOS-internet-with-POTS-on-copper-21037714 Sun, 31 Aug 2008 20:51:40 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FiOS-internet-with-POTS-on-copper-21037712 said by sholling:

I know I will only do FIOS if I can keep POTS on copper for at least a couple of years.
The time will come when Verizon will discontinue copper services, you will be assimilated. At that point you will realize that your resistance, was futile.
Verizon will not keep that outdated technology around forever.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FiOS-internet-with-POTS-on-copper-21037712 Sun, 31 Aug 2008 20:51:23 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FiOS-internet-with-POTS-on-copper-21037679
I believe the only devices or systems that are really affected by being on fiber rather than copper are those that use the copper as their power source. An example might be some home alarm systems that are powered only by the copper.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FiOS-internet-with-POTS-on-copper-21037679 Sun, 31 Aug 2008 20:46:42 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FiOS-internet-with-POTS-on-copper-21037614 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FiOS-internet-with-POTS-on-copper-21037614 Sun, 31 Aug 2008 20:35:12 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FiOS-internet-with-POTS-on-copper-21037589 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FiOS-internet-with-POTS-on-copper-21037589 Sun, 31 Aug 2008 20:30:15 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FiOS-internet-with-POTS-on-copper-21037554 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FiOS-internet-with-POTS-on-copper-21037554 Sun, 31 Aug 2008 20:22:27 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FiOS-internet-with-POTS-on-copper-21037497 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FiOS-internet-with-POTS-on-copper-21037497 Sun, 31 Aug 2008 20:09:59 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FiOS-internet-with-POTS-on-copper-21037374
However, in the event of a severe natural disaster chances are your copper phone line (and fiber too if it isn't underground) may even go out if a telephone pole is downed. If you simply lose power due to a thunderstorm outage chances are your copper line will still be functional.

Having it over fiber isn't all that bad though incase of an emergency or blackout. The BBU Verizon supplied will last for 8 hrs after outage plus an emergency reserve if after those 8 hrs an emergency call is needed. Not to mention you can also attach your own secondary battery backup and keep replacing them until power is restored.

Just putting that out there if you hadn't considered it. That's why I went with fiber for POTS because if I really need to I can just keep swapping out battery backups until power was restored. Of course there's always cell phones...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FiOS-internet-with-POTS-on-copper-21037374 Sun, 31 Aug 2008 19:43:06 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FiOS-internet-with-POTS-on-copper-21037313 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FiOS-internet-with-POTS-on-copper-21037313 Sun, 31 Aug 2008 19:28:40 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FiOS-internet-with-POTS-on-copper-21037250 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FiOS-internet-with-POTS-on-copper-21037250 Sun, 31 Aug 2008 19:15:10 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/FiOS-internet-with-POTS-on-copper-21037230 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/FiOS-internet-with-POTS-on-copper-21037230 Sun, 31 Aug 2008 19:10:50 EDT