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Re: worth getting another card for SLI?
It's not worth looking at the 8800GTX at all... |
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I guess if playing in single player mode, having everything at full including AA would be ideal, but I for one, mostly play online, and I wonder if having all at full even at high resolution would some how compromise online game play by lowering frame rate.
If given a choice when playing online, I would pick a better frame rate than the eye candy stuff IMHO.
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said by Anonymous_  :said by JIGA :I think the best advice for this guy is to just save your money. Save up till you have roughly around 1k and built a nice system. All you need is the following: Case Power Supply Motherboard CPU RAM Video Hard Drive Sound Card - Optional, you can just use the onbaord sound, these days it is pretty damn good. All of that can be done for under 1k if you spend your time doing product and pricing research. And that's it. You already have a keyboard/mouse/monitor if i sold my MB,CPU,Videocard and ram i can get like 400$ keep the case,XP Pro (Retail), hard drives and dvd burner monitor kb ,mouse and PSU If that's the case then in the end you will only have a loss of $100-200. An E8400 costs $190, a decent motherboard costs in the realm of $150, 2 2GB sticks of DDR2-800 costs $70, and a 4850 costs $180. A system with these parts will easily run Crysis max settings at the highest of resolutions. (Albeit with AA off, but I personally can deal with AA off if you barely notice the jaggies because of how damn good the game looks anyways) |
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said by JIGA :I think the best advice for this guy is to just save your money. Save up till you have roughly around 1k and built a nice system. All you need is the following: Case Power Supply Motherboard CPU RAM Video Hard Drive Sound Card - Optional, you can just use the onbaord sound, these days it is pretty damn good. All of that can be done for under 1k if you spend your time doing product and pricing research. And that's it. You already have a keyboard/mouse/monitor if i sold my MB,CPU,Videocard and ram i can get like 400$
keep the case,XP Pro (Retail), hard drives and dvd burner
monitor kb ,mouse and PSU |
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I think the best advice for this guy is to just save your money.
Save up till you have roughly around 1k and built a nice system. All you need is the following:
Case
Power Supply
Motherboard
CPU
RAM
Video
Hard Drive
Sound Card - Optional, you can just use the onbaord sound, these days it is pretty damn good.
All of that can be done for under 1k if you spend your time doing product and pricing research.
And that's it. You already have a keyboard/mouse/monitor |
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longstreet
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Point taken, but you're not really running max settings with AA turned off.
Dial up everything and it makes an impact, especially on a lower ram card - illustrates the point of why an 8800 GTX is far superior IF he wants to run everything decked out.
If one was inclined to run max resolution only, then a single GT would suffice it would seem.
If you want to run max res and max detail (including AA) on the cheap, the best budget choice is the 8800 GTX . . over the 8800 GT and all flavors of the 9800 (minus the GX2 - if it's a 9800 series)
If he can grab the card on ebay for less than the price of a new GT (and EVGA at that) there's nothing to loose (other than dealing with ebay) |
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said by longstreet :I have a bit of perspective on this question, as I had single GPU setup and then went SLI. (using 3dmark) The numbers on my single stock 8800 GTX were around 11,000. qx6700, . . . raid 0, 4 gigs of ram, 5.9's across the board on vista performance benchmark. With a second GTX added, with no overclocking whatsoever, I made about 14500. With some tweaking (no voltages) and heavy duty air cooling, I could overclock the CPU and GPU and squeeze out almost 17,000. Now, you can't play crysis with anything less than SLI, but the question is, do you want to shell out the extra cash to make 1 game playable? Actual game FPS improvements? At best perhaps 15% . . .the synthetic tests show a little more improvement. Also consider that if you want to run high res, high detail . . you need more than just SLI . .but video memory. Some of the more high end cards selling now have less memory than their predecessors and arguably there isn't as much of a performance increase at really high res, high detail games. If you really want to run Crysis at high res, the cost effective solution is go with the G80 GT. It may be worth looking at slightly older cards with 768 meg of ram versus a newer card with 512 meg. But considering you can get a nearly identical setup in SLI for $240 with the 8800 GT . . .that really only suffers performance loss in low resolutions . . .I would say either spend more and get the GX2 or go with the 8800 GT SLI setup. e.g. the 8800 gtx has 768 . . while the 9800 gtx and the 8800 GT both only have 512 . . . » www.tbreak.com/reviews/article.p···umber=12The GX2 blows both out of the water at 1 gig of ram each . .but it's also much more expensive. But at $280 per card, that's almost a 600 dollar investment to play a game you play spending half that (2 8800 GT) at roughly $240 The inbetween, but somewhat harder to get choice would be the 8800 GTX which has 768 meg. I'm not sure on the pricing because most major retailers don't sell it . . could probably be gotten on the cheap from ebay for less than the GT sells new. That would ultimatly be your best bang for the buck, 8800GTX x2 from Ebay. I'd go for identical cards . . . EVGA cards will sell for more because of the warranty. Ensure the seller hasn't messed with the voltages. These should be gotten anywhere from $100 - $170 if you look carefully. (source : newegg searches for cheapest 9800 GX2 and 8800 GT) Uh, you definatly can play crysis with a single GPU solution, and an inexpensive one at that. My single 8800GT plays Crysis just fine with max settings @ 1920*1200 w/o AA. I'd say thats pretty good for a 130 dollar card. |
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I have a bit of perspective on this question, as I had single GPU setup and then went SLI.
(using 3dmark)
The numbers on my single stock 8800 GTX were around 11,000. qx6700, . . . raid 0, 4 gigs of ram, 5.9's across the board on vista performance benchmark.
With a second GTX added, with no overclocking whatsoever, I made about 14500.
With some tweaking (no voltages) and heavy duty air cooling, I could overclock the CPU and GPU and squeeze out almost 17,000.
Now, you can't play crysis with anything less than SLI, but the question is, do you want to shell out the extra cash to make 1 game playable? Actual game FPS improvements? At best perhaps 15% . . .the synthetic tests show a little more improvement.
Also consider that if you want to run high res, high detail . . you need more than just SLI . .but video memory.
Some of the more high end cards selling now have less memory than their predecessors and arguably there isn't as much of a performance increase at really high res, high detail games. If you really want to run Crysis at high res, the cost effective solution is go with the G80 GT.
It may be worth looking at slightly older cards with 768 meg of ram versus a newer card with 512 meg. But considering you can get a nearly identical setup in SLI for $240 with the 8800 GT . . .that really only suffers performance loss in low resolutions . . .I would say either spend more and get the GX2 or go with the 8800 GT SLI setup.
e.g. the 8800 gtx has 768 . . while the 9800 gtx and the 8800 GT both only have 512 . . .
»www.tbreak.com/reviews/article.p···umber=12
The GX2 blows both out of the water at 1 gig of ram each . .but it's also much more expensive.
But at $280 per card, that's almost a 600 dollar investment to play a game you play spending half that (2 8800 GT) at roughly $240
The inbetween, but somewhat harder to get choice would be the 8800 GTX which has 768 meg. I'm not sure on the pricing because most major retailers don't sell it . . could probably be gotten on the cheap from ebay for less than the GT sells new. That would ultimatly be your best bang for the buck, 8800GTX x2 from Ebay.
I'd go for identical cards . . . EVGA cards will sell for more because of the warranty. Ensure the seller hasn't messed with the voltages. These should be gotten anywhere from $100 - $170 if you look carefully.
(source : newegg searches for cheapest 9800 GX2 and 8800 GT) |
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i would have to totaly agree i spent 1100 bucks on my comp and it runs crysis max settings i spent a little less on my video card than gettin the 4000 series ati card my specs are this
2.6 ghz triple core amd phenom processor
3gb ddr2 at 800 mhz
160 gb hdd
500w psu
dvd burner
wireless mouse and keyboard
speakers
butterfly cpu heatsink
and a ati saphirre radeon 3870 hd pro video card
1100 bucks including the shipping |
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I wouldn't waste the money on another 7800. Just upgrade to a newer card like the 260.
But that isn't going to help much. your problem isn't the video card. It's your cpu/memory subsystem that is having the hard time with the game. With rts games like that, the games slow down when you start getting a lot of units going. |
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said by Anonymous_ :well i am on a very limited budget like 40$ for the video i might beable to get an used 7800gtx for that price In my opinion it would be best to look for an 8800GT on sale, spend an extra $50 to gain a lot better performance. Then sell your current 7800 to pretty much make up the difference, and you're back to only spending $40.
But doing that you'll end up with a much better graphics cards than 7800 SLI. Of course that is dependent on you being able to come up with the extra funds. You can usually find the 8800GT ~$100 A/R so if you can manage like $130 up front, it would be ok. You could then get a $30 rebate and sell your old card for ~$50-60.
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yea i found one on ebay |
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said by Anonymous_ :well i am on a very limited budget like 40$ for the video i might beable to get an used 7800gtx for that price If you can really find one for that price then I don't see why not. Don't expect much improvement, however. |
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well i am on a very limited budget like 40$ for the video
i might beable to get an used 7800gtx for that price |
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said by Anonymous_ :i would have to get neW: HDD PSU 1.2Kw Case Monitor (LED backlight) (but i can use the display i all ready have but it is kind of borken) MB RAM keyborad Mouse blu-ray drive dvd burner speakers video card Laser printer water cooling setup (i have Retail OS so it can transfer to the new PC) i might sell my old stuff to recover some of the cost after i get the new stuff Obviously a new system would cost well over 3 grand if you decided to get all that crap. If you really want to play games why would you waste your money on something like a bluray drive? Why would do you need a laser printer for gaming? Water cooling? Give me a break dude. If you really want the newer games to run faster you are going to need a new system - But half the overpriced crap you have on your list isn't needed - nor will it enhance the gameplay experiance of any games. A single ATI 4850 which outperforms an 8800GT and only costs 180 bucks only needs a 500w PSU at most. Even including the price of a new monitor, you wouldn't have to spend more then 1500 for a new system that will play any game with maximum settings.
But I suppose if you want crap like a bluray drive and a laser printer (huh?) you'll be waiting a while. |
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said by jouno53 :Why do you need that though? You can easily build a highly functional gaming system with most of those peripherals for way less than 3k. You only need a 1.2kw PSU if you're going to be running 2+ GTX 280s. You don't even need a 1.2kw PSU to run two GTX 280's, a 800w from a quality manufacturer would be just fine. |
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Why do you need that though? You can easily build a highly functional gaming system with most of those peripherals for way less than 3k.
You only need a 1.2kw PSU if you're going to be running 2+ GTX 280s. |
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i would have to get neW:
HDD
PSU 1.2Kw
Case
Monitor (LED backlight) (but i can use the display i all ready have but it is kind of borken)
MB
RAM
keyborad
Mouse
blu-ray drive
dvd burner
speakers
video card
Laser printer
water cooling setup
(i have Retail OS so it can transfer to the new PC)
i might sell my old stuff to recover some of the cost
after i get the new stuff |
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said by Anonymous_ :if i were to do a whole system upgrade it would cost me 3k i do not have a job right now so no It would? Only cost me 1200 to build a system that runs crysis max settings. |
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if i were to do a whole system upgrade it would cost me 3k
i do not have a job right now so no |
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