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moonpuppy

join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD
reply to jc100

Re: Watch and learn...

said by jc100:

To respond to all your crap, I am just merely pointing out that one side is NO LESS guilty than the other. I don't for once BELIEVE Terrorism in ANY FORM is good. However, Christians have ONE HELL of a tainted past, if you want to go par for par. There are no blinders. Bad behavior is BAD BEHAVIOR. Simple. You need to learn that and stop using your one sided HATE to focus on Muslims. As Christians are just as bad when you take into account history.

The above is BULLSHIT and you know it. You hardly EVER cal into question islam but you rant and rave about Christianity like you were persecuted by the Pope himself.

Face it, the topic at hand concerned Malaysia which is a government run by islam. You attempted to cast the US in the same light which FAILED miserably. If the same were the case in this country, you would be already in jail without trial. Guess what. You are still posting so you being in jail is not happening. I've been to counties where if you said the wrong thing, you "disappeared."

You = blind idiot who can't see past his own hatred of Christianity.

jc100

join:2002-04-10

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quote:
The above is BULLSHIT and you know it. You hardly EVER cal into question islam but you rant and rave about Christianity like you were persecuted by the Pope himself.
I rave and rant to people like you in RESPONSE to your rave and rants on Islam. My REAL view is BOTH sides are GUILTY and need to cut the bullshit out. Yet, BOTH sides are MOSTLY good people with a FEW bad apples to taint the whole. Christianity and Islam have 1 Billion + each. I don't for one Minute believe more than 5-10 percent of either religion is extreme or bad people. The rest would rather practice and live their lives in peace. There are just a few BAD apples in every bunch. These MORONS get the air time that casts a negative shadow on the rest.

quote:

Face it, the topic at hand concerned Malaysia which is a government run by islam. You attempted to cast the US in the same light which FAILED miserably. If the same were the case in this country, you would be already in jail without trial. Guess what. You are still posting so you being in jail is not happening. I've been to counties where if you said the wrong thing, you "disappeared."
Topic at hand is does one government pose more a risk than another. An Islam government IS NO WORSE than a Dicatorship which can be found in Many South American and African Countries. Hell, LOOK AT CHINA and it's not Muslim. Speak out against the Chinese Government, and you are a dead man. It has EVERYTHING to do with freedoms, NOT RELIGION. You might turn it into a religious argument, BUT IT IS NOT. It's to do with government wanting control. Face it, you can't get over your HATRED of Islam.

You = blind idiot who can't see past his own hatred of EVERYTHING NOT ISLAM.

moonpuppy

join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD
said by jc100:


I rave and rant to people like you in RESPONSE to your rave and rants on Islam. My REAL view is BOTH sides are GUILTY and need to cut the bullshit out. Yet, BOTH sides are MOSTLY good people with a FEW bad apples to taint the whole. Christianity and Islam have 1 Billion + each. I don't for one Minute believe more than 5-10 percent of either religion is extreme or bad people. The rest would rather practice and live their lives in peach. There are just a few BAD apples in every bunch.
Your history of your posts speak for themselves and you just called yourself a liar.

said by jc100:

Topic at hand is does one government pose more a risk than another. An Islam government IS NO WORSE than a Dicatorship which can be found in Many South American and African Countries. Hell, LOOK AT CHINA and it's not Muslim. Speak out against the Chinese Government, and you are a dead man. It has EVERYTHING to do with freedoms, NOT RELIGION. You might turn it into a religious argument, BUT IT IS NOT. It's to do with government wanting control. Face it, you can't get over your HATRED of Islam.
O.k. name one South American dictatorship besides Venezuela.

If religion has nothing to do with it, why the rant against Christianity? Find a Christian theocracy that CURRENTLY tortures its citizens than I might listen you your BS but until then, keep trying.

jc100

join:2002-04-10

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A) I have not called myself a liar. I have taken the Devil Advocates approach with BIGOTS like yourself. This approach is to merely reflect the STUPIDITY found within your writings and others. I just gave you my true belief, when not arguing with intellectual inadequates. There is no lying or distortion. I have chosen to play the other side of the field.

2) China Has a heavy Handed Approach to Freedom. Speak against them = Dead

North Korea Has Heavy Handed Approach - Same

Venezuela - Heavy Handed

Belarus - Great last Dicatorship in Eastern Europe

Russia - Seeing how Journalists are killed along with others for being critical of the government. According to the news just now, police picked up a critical journalist from the airport, and dropped him off with a bullet in the head on a road.

A large Majority of Africa.

As per South America, MANY of those countries are NOT free. Corruption is PERVASIVE and dictators RULED up until the late 1980s. MANY of these dictators were FUNDED and put into power by us. Noriega for one. As of now, Most are just pseudo Democracies with a SHIT TON of corruption.

So Take your head out of your ass and learn this has NOTHING to do with religion but freedoms. As for a Christian Theocracy, Modern History speaks for itself. Serbia was an Atrocity and Genocide a Decade ago that was done in the Name Of Christianity. Things don't happen all the time. Just as Muslim extremism isn't something that's been much of a problem until the last 20 years. Idiots (which you fall under) come in all shapes, religions, and ethnic backgrounds. Just look at your own ignorance in your posts.

moonpuppy

join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD
said by jc100:

A) I have not called myself a liar. I have taken the Devil Advocates approach with BIGOTS like yourself. This approach is to merely reflect the STUPIDITY found within your writings and others. I just gave you my true belief, when not arguing with intellectual inadequates. There is no lying or distortion. I have chosen to play the other side of the field.

2) China Has a heavy Handed Approach to Freedom. Speak against them = Dead

North Korea Has Heavy Handed Approach - Same

Venezuela - Heavy Handed

Belarus - Great last Dicatorship in Eastern Europe

Russia - Seeing how Journalists are killed along with others for being critical of the government. According to the news just now, police picked up a critical journalist from the airport, and dropped him off with a bullet in the head on a road.

A large Majority of Africa.

As per South America, MANY of those countries are NOT free. Corruption is PERVASIVE and dictators RULED up until the late 1980s. MANY of these dictators were FUNDED and put into power by us. Noriega for one. As of now, Most are just pseudo Democracies with a SHIT TON of corruption.

So Take your head out of your ass and learn this has NOTHING to do with religion but freedoms. As for a Christian Theocracy, Modern History speaks for itself. Serbia was an Atrocity and Genocide a Decade ago that was done in the Name Of Christianity. Things don't happen all the time. Just as Muslim extremism isn't something that's been much of a problem until the last 20 years. Idiots (which you fall under) come in all shapes, religions, and ethnic backgrounds. Just look at your own ignorance in your posts.
So you rant and rave about how bad Christianity is and yet all the countries listed about have no religion.

Let the backpeddle commence.

jc100

join:2002-04-10

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Stop playing spin doctor and grow a brain. Every Country Above has a religion BUT it's not the religion that dictates the abuses. It's power Hungry officials who stifle freedoms. While some stuff IS DONE in the name of "GOD", most breaks down to some asshole who wants to maintain authority at the cost of those he / she represents. Usually, most atrocities and lack of freedoms start with this vary concept and occasionally gravitate towards religion when circumstances necessitate a rallying point. For instance, we already spoke of one of these cases (Holocaust, etc). Hitler for one, was an asshole who wished to continue running things. With Germany mad over WWI and bankrupt still, Hitler used hatred, bigotry, and xenophobia to justify his cause to stay in power. Sadly, it does work. Yet, even factoring in the religious exceptions, such as in the case of Muslims , Hitler, etc , it is usually a secondary cause. The main cause, POWER HUNGRY leaders wanting to keep the status quo alive and hold onto what they control. You will find this underlying theme in ALL the examples above (Control and Authority). All these governments use heavy handed methods to maintain their leadership. As a result, you tried making this whole argument on Islam and FAILED. Seriously, it's NOT ABOUT RELIGION.

Consequently, I think I did a Sufficient job of showing you otherwise. The world has a lot of oppression. Look at the above, once again. Now, if you want to argue it on the religious front (which is wrong and mostly a Secondary cause), go for it. You'll be then speaking about how bad the CHRISTIAN religion is worldwide as most of the above are Christian / Catholic in nature. Personally, I prefer to blame the bad leaders for the bad policies. These same bad leaders might try to MASK their authority by playing the religious card, but it just a cloud to hide what the true cause is, anyway. But hey, if you want to blame the religion and make it a primary cause for everything, go for it. I'll expect your next rant to be about HOW BAD CHRISTIAN countries are around the world and the suffering people face there at the hands of their Christian leaders. Otherwise, you can get your head out of your butt and realize the real cause much of this crap happens. You're pick.

Note: Should you pick the religion and Xenophobic Islam card, Every rant that follows from you, I'll expect to cover the atrocities and oppression that Christians cause around the world. It's quite a LOT if you look at it from your previous perspective versus mine.

Anyway, this thread has sufficiently educated you. Hope you feel a bit more intelligent. It's a start on a long road for you.

moonpuppy

join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD
said by jc100:

Stop playing spin doctor and grow a brain. Every Country Above has a religion BUT it's not the religion that dictates the abuses. It's power Hungry officials who stifle freedoms. While some stuff IS DONE in the name of "GOD", most breaks down to some asshole who wants to maintain authority at the cost of those he / she represents. Usually, most atrocities and lack of freedoms start with this vary concept and occasionally gravitate towards religion when circumstances necessitate a rallying point. For instance, we already spoke of one of these cases (Holocaust, etc). Hitler for one, was an asshole who wished to continue running things. With Germany mad over WWI and bankrupt still, Hitler used hatred, bigotry, and xenophobia to justify his cause to stay in power. Sadly, it does work. Yet, even factoring in the religious exceptions, such as in the case of Muslims , Hitler, etc , it is usually a secondary cause. The main cause, POWER HUNGRY leaders wanting to keep the status quo alive and hold onto what they control. You will find this underlying theme in ALL the examples above (Control and Authority). All these governments use heavy handed methods to maintain their leadership. As a result, you tried making this whole argument on Islam and FAILED. Seriously, it's NOT ABOUT RELIGION.
If it wasn't about religion, then why bring the deaths due to Christianity into the argument? Duck and weave backpeddle boy.

Face it, you got caught on one side of an argument and now you are trying (and failing) to weasel you way out of it.

As for Germany, they were pissed off at the Treaty of Versailles that gave away nearly everything they had and forced the Germans to live in squalor for years. Hitler was not a good politician but had a gift for speaking. He chose a group that he thought was the problem and the whole situation was ripe for an internal revolution. Jews had the money and were a convenient target. Hitler himself believed in German mythology and the idea of the Aryan race.

said by jc100:

Consequently, I think I did a Sufficient job of showing you otherwise. The world has a lot of oppression. Look at the above, once again. Now, if you want to argue it on the religious front (which is wrong and mostly a Secondary cause), go for it. You'll be then speaking about how bad the CHRISTIAN religion is worldwide as most of the above are Christian / Catholic in nature. Personally, I prefer to blame the bad leaders for the bad policies. These same bad leaders might try to MASK their authority by playing the religious card, but it just a cloud to hide what the true cause is, anyway. But hey, if you want to blame the religion and make it a primary cause for everything, go for it. I'll expect your next rant to be about HOW BAD CHRISTIAN countries are around the world and the suffering people face there at the hands of their Christian leaders. Otherwise, you can get your head out of your butt and realize the real cause much of this crap happens. You're pick.
Another backpeddle since you have pulled BS statistics out of your ass about how many were killed in the name of Christianity while forgetting how many are killed in the of Islam. You keep pointing out how bad Christians are while ignoring all other arguments.

said by jc100:

Note: Should you pick the religion and Xenophobic Islam card, Every rant that follows from you, I'll expect to cover the atrocities and oppression that Christians cause around the world. It's quite a LOT if you look at it from your previous perspective versus mine.
And there you go, playing your so called xenophobic hatred of Christianity. Pot, kettle, you know the rest.

said by jc100:

Anyway, this thread has sufficiently educated you. Hope you feel a bit more intelligent. It's a start on a long road for you.
The only thing you have shown in this thread is how much of a racist you are towards Christians. Once you play that hand, everything else you type is nothing more than a bluff.

Keep backpeddling.

jc100

join:2002-04-10

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Ok YOU ARE THE DUMBEST PERSON ALIVE. I am going to start off with that right now. I TOLD YOU 1000 times, INTELLECTUAL INADEQUATE, the religion argument was to counter your BIGOTRY and playing devils advocate. I GAVE YOU MY REAL VIEW (Which has been posted in OTHER THREADS BEFORE with Amigo Boy), that BAD BEHAVIOR in the name of religion is wrong. RELIGION IS USED to spread hatred BUT IT IS A SECONDARY cause. Most of the OPPRESSION in this world stems from leaders or governments WANTING to maintain their power AT ANY AND ALL COSTS. Religion gets factored in as a secondary cause when one starts losing grasp and needs a rallying point to spread ignorance. Religion OFTEN works as this rallying call. However, IT IS A SECONDARY ISSUE. Understand that LITTLE BOY or do i need to dumb this down further?

quote:
As for Germany, they were pissed off at the Treaty of Versailles that gave away nearly everything they had and forced the Germans to live in squalor for years. Hitler was not a good politician but had a gift for speaking. He chose a group that he thought was the problem and the whole situation was ripe for an internal revolution. Jews had the money and were a convenient target. Hitler himself believed in German mythology and the idea of the Aryan race.
Once again you are the DUMBEST PERSON in the world. Thanks for proving MY POINT about religion being a SECONDARY cause and serving as a focal / rallying point when one wants to maintain or get power. Yet, the MAIN ISSUE is control and NOT about religion. Hitler might have hated the Jews but the REAL ISSUE was NOT the Jews. You said it yourself. Thanks for playing the wheel of retarded. Have a fun ride?

quote:
Another backpeddle since you have pulled BS statistics out of your ass about how many were killed in the name of Christianity while forgetting how many are killed in the of Islam. You keep pointing out how bad Christians are while ignoring all other arguments.
There's no B.S. Statistics about it. Many people are KILLED in the name of religion. However, YOU AND I pointed out above, this is often a secondary factor. However, I'm trying to tell MR. SLOWTARD (You) that one should look at the CAUSE instead of saying that religion is the sole factor. MOST TIMES, when the religion argument comes to play, it equates to a side issue. LEST we not forget, YOU ARE THE ONE arguing religion. I played Devils Advocate and showed you one can take that INTO ACCOUNT FOR MANY RELIGIONS and numbers add up fast. Try again.

End result = You Owned. You = Bigot and You = Unable to make a reasonable point without proving mine. The only one with HATRED issues here is you bud. Devil's Advocate approach works all the time to bring out people's true colors. As I stated, reference my past posts with Amigo and you'll see in many cases, I say bad behavior is wrong and that ALL sides are guilty of atrocities. It's just which argument you want to rely on. If you pick the religious, Christians are SAVAGES and have caused the MOST HARM. Islam is working their way up. If you pick the real issue, POWER HUNGRY LEADERS, then the world just has a lot of IDIOTIC leaders that do a good job of pitting people against one another so THEY can continue to maintain power. Religion just gets tossed in as another factor so these leaders don't lose control.. Sigh.. Stupid is as Stupid does in your case.

moonpuppy

join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD
said by jc100:

Ok YOU ARE THE DUMBEST PERSON ALIVE. I am going to start off with that right now. I TOLD YOU 1000 times, INTELLECTUAL INADEQUATE, the religion argument was to counter your BIGOTRY and playing devils advocate. I GAVE YOU MY REAL VIEW (Which has been posted in OTHER THREADS BEFORE with Amigo Boy), that BAD BEHAVIOR in the name of religion is wrong. RELIGION IS USED to spread hatred BUT IT IS A SECONDARY cause. Most of the OPPRESSION in this world stems from leaders or governments WANTING to maintain their power AT ANY AND ALL COSTS. Religion gets factored in as a secondary cause when one starts losing grasp and needs a rallying point to spread ignorance. Religion OFTEN works as this rallying call. However, IT IS A SECONDARY ISSUE. Understand that LITTLE BOY or do i need to dumb this down further?

Once again you are the DUMBEST PERSON in the world. Thanks for proving MY POINT about religion being a SECONDARY cause and serving as a focal / rallying point when one wants to maintain or get power. Yet, the MAIN ISSUE is control and NOT about religion. Hitler might have hated the Jews but the REAL ISSUE was NOT the Jews. You said it yourself. Thanks for playing the wheel of retarded. Have a fun ride?

There's no B.S. Statistics about it. Many people are KILLED in the name of religion. However, YOU AND I pointed out above, this is often a secondary factor. However, I'm trying to tell MR. SLOWTARD (You) that one should look at the CAUSE instead of saying that religion is the sole factor. MOST TIMES, when the religion argument comes to play, it equates to a side issue. LEST we not forget, YOU ARE THE ONE arguing religion. I played Devils Advocate and showed you one can take that INTO ACCOUNT FOR MANY RELIGIONS and numbers add up fast. Try again.

End result = You Owned. You = Bigot and You = Unable to make a reasonable point without proving mine. The only one with HATRED issues here is you bud. Devil's Advocate approach works all the time to bring out people's true colors. As I stated, reference my past posts with Amigo and you'll see in many cases, I say bad behavior is wrong and that ALL sides are guilty of atrocities. It's just which argument you want to rely on. If you pick the religious, Christians are SAVAGES and have caused the MOST HARM. Islam is working their way up. If you pick the real issue, POWER HUNGRY LEADERS, then the world just has a lot of IDIOTIC leaders that do a good job of pitting people against one another so THEY can continue to maintain power. Religion just gets tossed in as another factor so these leaders don't lose control.. Sigh.. Stupid is as Stupid does in your case.
The only end result is you resort to name calling when your arguments fail.

GAME SET MATCH!

jc100

join:2002-04-10

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LOL, Funny. No game set match. I once again am playing your game. There's no need for name calling but let's see, you take that tone in your posts. Once again, I am reciprocating. Maybe I should take the Higher ground, but whatever. You set the tone.

Little Boy
etc etc in your posts

Anyway, here's the problem YOU NOW FACE. YOU DON'T HAVE a rebuttal AT ALL to what I've said. So now you're left staring blankly at the screen. Having Fun? Any how, thanks for proving my points. You do a wonderful job like your cohort Amigo boy. When you grow the common sense to actually NOT BE A BIGOT and Xenophobic (not name calling, TRUTHS), come back and have a real discussion. Until then, I think this topic has SUFFICIENTLY proven you wrong, WITH YOU AIDING ME in doing so!!! How about them apples!

moonpuppy

join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD
said by jc100:

LOL, Funny. No game set match. I once again am playing your game. There's no need for name calling but let's see, you take that tone in your posts. Once again, I am reciprocating. Maybe I should take the Higher ground, but whatever. You set the tone.

Little Boy
etc etc in your posts

Anyway, here's the problem YOU NOW FACE. YOU DON'T HAVE a rebuttal AT ALL to what I've said. So now you're left staring blankly at the screen. Having Fun? Any how, thanks for proving my points. You do a wonderful job like your cohort Amigo boy. When you grow the common sense to actually NOT BE A BIGOT and Xenophobic (not name calling, TRUTHS), come back and have a real discussion. Until then, I think this topic has SUFFICIENTLY proven you wrong, WITH YOU AIDING ME in doing so!!! How about them apples!
Here is where your argument fails big time.

Your first insult where you insinuate that user "hescominsoon" has not read the Constitution:

said by jc100:

I know the law. Maybe you need to as well.
You like to assume no one is as educated as you when I doubt you have any real insight into the actual issues.

Maybe you need to look at the whole picture before you go off on your usual rant against Christianity like this entire thread has been about. And before you say you hate all bad behavior, you repeated the so-called crimes of Christianity in more than half your posts.

No go create some more anti-Christianity stats since you hate them so much.

jc100

join:2002-04-10
quote:
Here is where your argument fails big time.

Your first insult where you insinuate that user "hescominsoon" has not read the Constitution:
Sorry My argument doesn't fail. Matter of factly, you BACKED it up when you explained the Holocaust just as I lead you to. Thanks again for SHEDDING light on the argument THAT STUPID LEADERS not RELIGION are the culprit. Fantastic Job in proving that as the main point, with Religion as Secondary. I knew I'd get you to assert that finally. There's no need to insult anyone, as you did a great job of proving yourself wrong.

quote:
You like to assume no one is as educated as you when I doubt you have any real insight into the actual issues.

Maybe you need to look at the whole picture before you go off on your usual rant against Christianity like this entire thread has been about. And before you say you hate all bad behavior, you repeated the so-called crimes of Christianity in more than half your posts.

No go create some more anti-Christianity stats since you hate them so much.
Seriously, MY GOD, seriously, do you NOT understand this one already. The Christian rant is the DEVIL'S ADVOCATE APPROACH to prove people like you that there are TWO EXTREMES to both sides. You LOVE POINTING OUT Islam. I then LOVE POINTING OUT CHRISTIANITY. The TRUTH which I HAVE ALSO stated MULTIPLE TIMES (yet you keep ignoring this over and over), is that bad behavior is WRONG NO MATTER WHO DOES IT. Check previous posts. THE ONLY REASON I HARP ON CHRISTIANS is because YOU, AMIGO, and YOUR OTHER COHORTS TAKE THAT APPROACH TO ISLAM. Short of that, NO SIDE IS EVER JUSTIFIED IN THEIR STUPIDITY. People NEED TO STOP rallying behind BAD LEADERS WHO INSTIGATE violence through religion. Bad leaders = Primary Cause Religion = Secondary to maintain power. Let that sink in PLEASE.

End of Rant.