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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : Here is an excellent update in a new thread for those of us who are still using Chrome !!!!<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r21059553-Googles-Chrome-Browser-Security-Privacy-Issues">Google's Chrome Browser - Security & Privacy Issues</A>]]></description>
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<title>Re: Chrome Browser (Google) combats IE8&#x27;s Privacy Tools</title>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/928459"><b>salzan</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  swhx7 <A HREF="/useremail/u/1376598"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Also this Cnet article clarifies about what Chrome sends to Google. &raquo;<A HREF="http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-10031661-56.html" >news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-10031661-56.html</A><br> </div>But with clauses like this:<br><div class="bquote">12.1 The Software which you use may automatically download and install updates from time to time from Google. These updates are designed to improve, enhance and further develop the Services and may take the form of bug fixes, enhanced functions, new software modules and completely new versions. You agree to receive such updates (and permit Google to deliver these to you) as part of your use of the Services.</div>You don't know what Chrome will send to Google tomorrow.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1376598"><b>swhx7</b></A> : At many points in the development of the Mozilla/Firefox browsers, there were debates or power struggles pitting the principle of user control against providers of online applications demanding the power to overrule users to make the apps work as intended. For example, website devs wanted the ability to overwrite the status line, manipulate the context menu, suppress the address bar, and similar things, while others said users should be able to prevent such manipulation.<br><br>Generally the user-control principle won. But the philosophical conflict goes on. And I think what we have here in Chrome is a browser specially adapted to one company's web-based applications. It's easier for Google to build its own browser than to try to influence the direction of browsers that don't allow them as much control as they'd like.<br><br>The danger is that useful web applications will start to depend on specialized clients, leading to the web being re-fragmented into proprietary ghettos. I'd rather see a web with more standards compliance, total control on the client side, and web services adapting to these conditions rather than vice-versa.<br><br>Edit:<br>After posting the above I came to this Register editorial making similar points in more depth. &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/09/04/google_chrome_analysis/" >www.theregister.co.uk/2008/09/04&middot;&middot;&middot;nalysis/</A><br><br>Also this Cnet article clarifies about what Chrome sends to Google. &raquo;<A HREF="http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-10031661-56.html" >news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-10031661-56.html</A>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 11:01:20 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1030204"><b>NetFixer</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  salzan <A HREF="/useremail/u/928459"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>That's how I read it too but I don't see how a third party using Chrome to display my website can give Google license to do anything with my content.<br> </div>It can't, but it will be easier to block the browser user agent, than to try to recover damages in court. Google may say that its motto is "Don't be evil", but it is Google who defines what is evil.<br><small>--<br>History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid.<br>-- Dwight D. Eisenhower<br><A HREF="http://portscan.dcs-net.net">Test your firewall.</a><br><A HREF="http://nature-pics.com">Smell the flowers.</a></small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 00:47:22 EDT</pubDate>
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<title>EULA Updated</title>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/634007"><b>SUMware</b></A> : New <A HREF="http://www.google.com/chrome/eula.html">EULA</a> version contains:   <blockquote><small>quote:</small><hr>11. Content license from you<br><br>11.1 You retain copyright and any other rights you already hold in Content which you submit, post or display on or through, the Services.<hr></blockquote><br><br>Note: Didn't see any other EULA changes at time of this edit.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 22:30:27 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1477566"><b>chrisretusn</b></A> : I am not reading between the lines it is pretty clear with the TOS listed above (Google is revising the TOS by the way) that if I submit pictures using Chrome to a on line photo sharing service I give "<b>Google a perpetual, irrevocable, worldwide, royalty-free, and non-exclusive license to reproduce, adapt, modify, translate, publish, publicly perform, publicly display and distribute any Content which you submit, post or display on or through, the Services</b>. (Services being Chrome.)<br><br>Edit to add this link<br><A HREF="http://tapthehive.com/discuss/This_Post_Not_Made_In_Chrome_Google_s_EULA_Sucks">TapTheHive - This Post Not Made In Chrome; Google's EULA <strike>Sucks</strike> Fixed</a> :)]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 22:12:51 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/928459"><b>salzan</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  NetFixer <A HREF="/useremail/u/1030204"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>I think I may just need to block the Gobble* browser from even accessing my web sites.  :uhh:<br><br>* No I did not misspell Google; gobbling up the IP rights of others sounds like what it is intended to do.  :o<br><br> </div>That's how I read it too but I don't see how a third party using Chrome to display my website can give Google license to do anything with my content.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 21:13:26 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/874811"><b>sivran</b></A> : Of course it is. But it is not one to which you submit content. <br><br>Or do you mean to agree with those who've implied that Chrome automatically streams <i>everything</i> you upload, be it pictures, your clickstream, your posts on dslreports, or whatever else you do with the browser?<br><br>Come on man, Google is much more subtle than that. Otherwise they'd be right up there with ABetterInternet, Gator, Zango, and the like. <br><small>--<br>The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon pro<b>fit</b>able cause...</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 20:41:41 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1477566"><b>chrisretusn</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  sivran <A HREF="/useremail/u/874811"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>I believe part 11.1 to pertain more to such services as YouTube, Docs, Picasa, Pages, Blogger, etc. than to the browser itself. The license applies to "Everything Google" but this clause really doesn't have any bearing on the browser. </div>From the Chrome TOS. <br><br> <blockquote><small>quote:</small><hr>1.1 Your use of Google&#146;s products, software, services and web sites (referred to collectively as the &#147;Services&#148; in this document and excluding any services provided to you by Google under a separate written agreement)<hr></blockquote><br><br>Chrome is a Google product. <br><small>--<br>Chris<br><b>Living in Paradise!!</b></small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 20:33:44 EDT</pubDate>
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<title>Re: Chrome BETA Available</title>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/634007"><b>SUMware</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Mele20 <A HREF="/useremail/u/403861"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>   :</small><br><br>I can reproduce the results you got ....anyone can....by cheating. Everyone doing the test correctly sees Fx leaking TPC on the context test.  Your cheap attack on my character makes me even more certain that either you don't how to do the tests or you cheated.</div>So, you accuse me of cheating? You are absolutely hilariously stunning!!!<br><br>What can I say except that you clearly have more pressing personal issues than TPC.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 20:31:23 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/403861"><b>Mele20</b></A> : I can reproduce the results you got ....anyone can....by cheating. Everyone doing the test correctly sees Fx leaking TPC on the context test.  Your cheap attack on my character makes me even more certain that either you don't how to do the tests or you cheated.  <br><br>If you look at the pages there you'll see they are not finished. That is because Steve Gibson decided to work on the DNS Nameserver Spoofability Test and that is almost finished now so he will be finishing up the cookie forensics tests soon.<br><small>--<br>"The same ferocity that our founders devoted to protect the freedom and independence of the press is now appropriate for our defense of the freedom of the internet. The stakes are the same: the survival of our Republic". Al Gore, The Assault on Reason</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 20:14:17 EDT</pubDate>
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<title>Google Chrome vulnerable to carpet-bombing flaw</title>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/634007"><b>SUMware</b></A> : I regret posting this before matunga could bring it to our attention... he must be taking a well deserved siesta.<br><br>From <A HREF="http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=1843">ZDNet</a><br>September 2nd, 2008 - <blockquote><small>quote:</small><hr>Google&#146;s shiny new Web browser is vulnerable to a carpet-bombing vulnerability that could expose Windows users to malicious hacker attacks.<br><br>Just hours after the release of Google Chrome, researcher <A HREF="http://aviv.raffon.net/">Aviv Raff</a> discovered that he could combine two vulnerabilities &#151; a flaw in Apple Safari (WebKit) and a Java bug discussed at this year&#146;s Black Hat conference &#151; to trick users into launching executables direct from the new browser.<br><br>Raff has cooked up a harmless demo of the attack in action, showing how a Google Chrome users can be lured into downloading and launching a JAR (Java Archive) file that gets executed without warning.<br><br>In the <A HREF="http://raffon.net/research/google/chrome/carpet.html">proof-of-concept</a>, Raff&#146;s code shows how a malicious hacker can use a clever social engineering lure &#151; it requires two mouse clicks &#151; to plant malware on Windows desktops.<br><br>The Google Chrome user-agent shows that Chrome is actually WebKit 525.13 (Safari 3.1), which is an outdated/vulnerable version of that browser.<br><br>Apple patched the carpet-bombing issue with Safari v3.1.2.<br><br>Some Google Chrome early adopters using Windows Vista are reporting that files downloaded from the Internet are automatically dropped on the desktop, setting up a scenario where a combo-attack using <A HREF="http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/advisory/953818.mspx">this unpatched IE flaw</a> could be used in attacks.<hr></blockquote><br><br>Oh my, <i>"...a combo-attack using using this </i><b>unpatched IE flaw</b>..."<br><br>Well, now we know why matunga hasn't jumped all over this.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 18:35:47 EDT</pubDate>
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<title>Google Says &#x27;Chrome&#x27; EULA Was A Mistake</title>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/634007"><b>SUMware</b></A> : From <A HREF="http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080903-google-on-chrome-eula-controversy-our-bad-well-change-it.html">Ars Technica</a><br>September 03, 2008 - <blockquote><small>quote:</small><hr><b>Google on Chrome EULA controversy: our bad, we'll change it</b><br><br>Google's new web browser Chrome is fast, shiny, and requires users to sign their very lives over to Google before they can use it. Today's Internet outrage du jour has been Chrome's EULA, which appears to give Google a nonexclusive right to display and distribute every bit of content transmitted through the browser. Now, Google tells Ars that it's a mistake, the EULA will be corrected, and the correction will be retroactive.<br><br>As noted by an attorney at <A HREF="http://tapthehive.com/discuss/This_Post_Not_Made_In_Chrome_Google_s_EULA_Sucks">Tap the Hive</a> and various and sundry other sites, the Chrome EULA reads like a lot of Google's other EULAs. It requires users to "give Google a perpetual, irrevocable, worldwide, royalty-free, and nonexclusive license to reproduce, adapt, modify, translate, publish, publicly perform, publicly display and distribute any Content which you submit, post or display on or through, the Services."<br><br>Google's Rebecca Ward, Senior Product Counsel for Google Chrome, now tells Ars Technica that the company tries to reuse these licenses as much as possible, "in order to keep things simple for our users." Ward admits that sometimes "this means that the legal terms for a specific product may include terms that don't apply well to the use of that product" and says that Google is "working quickly to remove language from Section 11 of the current Google Chrome terms of service. This change will apply retroactively to all users who have downloaded Google Chrome."<br><br><b>It's worth noting that the EULA is largely unenforceable because the source code of Chrome is distributed under an open license. Users could simply download the source code, compile it themselves, and use it without having to agree to Google's EULA. The terms of the BSD license under which the source code is distributed are highly permissive and impose virtually no conditions or requirements on end users.</b><br><br><b>So, there you have it: a tempest in a (chrome) teapot. Not that it's the only one; as Ina Fried of News.com points out, Chrome's "Omnibar" can also access all keystrokes a user types, and Google will store some of this information along with IP addresses.</b><hr></blockquote><br><br><small>[some emphasis added]</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 18:18:39 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/755055"><b>OZO</b></A> : You're right.<br><br>If they want to reserve a limit for throughput via their Services I think what they're going to do is they will provide users with their own version of content (which they want to copy, modify, etc.) and users will take it from their servers instead of real source. Content providers in the Internet may be wrapped with Google Service proxy even if they don't know about it. And stream revenue goes...<br><br>It's just a wild guess, but so far they're doing all to make it happen...<br><small>--<br>Keep it simple, it'll become complex by itself...</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 15:49:07 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/634007"><b>SUMware</b></A> : From <A HREF="http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/09/03/google_chrome_eula_sucks/">The Register</a><br>3rd September 2008 - <blockquote><small>quote:</small><hr>Astute Reg readers have pointed out a Chrome condition of service that effectively lets Google use any of your copyrighted material posted to the web via Chrome without paying you a cent.<br><br>...the relevant section 11.1 of the Chrome EULA...<br><br>But you may be posting material via Chrome to your employer's site and it owns the copyright of anything you create in work time. What then if Google adapts, modifies and distributes it? Your fan has brown stuff all over it but none of it sticks to Google.<br><br>Copyright-sensitive sysadms may banish Chrome from their networks because of this.<hr></blockquote><div class="borderless"><TABLE WIDTH=95% align=center border=0 CELLPADDING=4"><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=2 WIDTH=66%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/21051696?c=1346063&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyMTA0Mjk1My54bWw%3D"><IMG TITLE="130362 bytes" BORDER=0 WIDTH=320 HEIGHT=320 SRC="/r0/download/1346063~08b49c7f9c7849c58f511c7affef08eb/hal_chrome_logo.png"></A><br>The Register's 'Hal-Chrome' Logo</TD></TABLE></div>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 15:27:40 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/874811"><b>sivran</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  kvn864 <A HREF="/useremail/u/542145"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  chrisretusn <A HREF="/useremail/u/1477566"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>   :</small><br><br>Why I will not use Chrome. <br><br>11. Content license from you<br><br>11.1 You retain copyright and any other rights you already hold in Content which you submit, post or display on or through, the Services. <b>By submitting, posting or displaying the content you give Google a perpetual, irrevocable, worldwide, royalty-free, and non-exclusive license to reproduce, adapt, modify, translate, publish, publicly perform, publicly display and distribute any Content which you submit, post or display on or through, the Services. This license is for the sole purpose of enabling Google to display, distribute and promote the Services and may be revoked for certain Services as defined in the Additional Terms of those Services.<br></b><br>11.2 You agree that this license includes a right for Google to make such Content available to other companies, organizations or individuals with whom Google has relationships for the provision of syndicated services, and to use such Content in connection with the provision of those services.<br><br>11.3 You understand that Google, in performing the required technical steps to provide the Services to our users, may (a) transmit or distribute your Content over various public networks and in various media; and (b) make such changes to your Content as are necessary to conform and adapt that Content to the technical requirements of connecting networks, devices, services or media. You agree that this license shall permit Google to take these actions.<br><br> </div>Some of us really will pay attention to that. Can someone explain in simple language what info they collect and how? Is it what you type in the Chrome, or sites you visit? Thanks.<br> </div>I believe part 11.1 to pertain more to such services as YouTube, Docs, Picasa, Pages, Blogger, etc. than to the browser itself. The license applies to "Everything Google" but this clause really doesn't have any bearing on the browser.<br><br>We've also seen that clause before in GeoCities, years ago. Basically it meant that anything you upload to them became theirs and they had rights to use it, forever and ever, no matter if you closed your account or not. People raised a stink, and it got changed such that once you remove the material or cancel, that also revoked their right to display/use it in any fashion. <br><br>The change to be made here is to limit those rights to the lifetime of the account or the media contained within it, whichever dies first.<br><small>--<br>The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon pro<b>fit</b>able cause...</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/156437"><b>dave</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Nerdtalker <A HREF="/useremail/u/772729"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>This whole "spawns a new process for each tab" business is nice, but anyone else notice that RAM use is out of control? I just had 4 or 5 tabs open and each of them was eating up a good 40-60 MB apiece.</div>In XP at least (i.e., the only one I can look at right now), the 'Mem Usage' column is the working set size for the process.  Pages in the working set may be shared in physical memory.<br><br>In other words, 2+2 may equal 2, 3, or 4, if it's virtual memory you're talking about.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/183991"><b>Cool Dude</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  SUMware <A HREF="/useremail/u/634007"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Download the <i>Google Chrome Browser</i> <b>BETA</b> for Windows Vista & XP <A HREF="http://www.google.com/chrome">here</a>.<br><br><b>EULA</b>:<br><br>Google Chrome Terms of Service<br><br>These Terms of Service apply to the executable code version of Google Chrome. Source code for Google Chrome is available free of charge under open source software license agreements at &raquo;<A HREF="http://code.google.com/chromium/terms.html" >code.google.com/chromium/terms.html</A>.<br><br>1. Your relationship with Google<br><br>1.1 Your use of Google&#146;s products, software, services and web sites (referred to collectively as the &#147;Services&#148; in this document and excluding any services provided to you by Google under a separate written agreement) is subject to the terms of a legal agreement between you and Google. &#147;Google&#148; means Google Inc., whose principal place of business is at 1600 Amphitheatre Parkway, Mountain View, CA 94043, United States. This document explains how the agreement is made up, and sets out some of the terms of that agreement.<br><br>1.2 Unless otherwise agreed in writing with Google, your agreement with Google will always include, at a minimum, the terms and conditions set out in this document. These are referred to below as the &#147;Universal Terms&#148;. Open source software licenses for Google Chrome source code constitute separate written agreements. To the limited extent that the open source software licenses expressly supersede these Universal Terms, the open source licenses govern your agreement with Google for the use of Google Chrome or specific included components of Google Chrome.<br><br>1.3 Your agreement with Google will also include the terms of any Legal Notices applicable to the Services, in addition to the Universal Terms. All of these are referred to below as the &#147;Additional Terms&#148;. Where Additional Terms apply to a Service, these will be accessible for you to read either within, or through your use of, that Service.<br><br>1.4 The Universal Terms, together with the Additional Terms, form a legally binding agreement between you and Google in relation to your use of the Services. It is important that you take the time to read them carefully. Collectively, this legal agreement is referred to below as the &#147;Terms&#148;.<br><br>1.5 If there is any contradiction between what the Additional Terms say and what the Universal Terms say, then the Additional Terms shall take precedence in relation to that Service.<br><br>2. Accepting the Terms<br><br>2.1 In order to use the Services, you must first agree to the Terms. You may not use the Services if you do not accept the Terms.<br><br>2.2 You can accept the Terms by:<br><br>(A) clicking to accept or agree to the Terms, where this option is made available to you by Google in the user interface for any Service; or<br><br>(B) by actually using the Services. In this case, you understand and agree that Google will treat your use of the Services as acceptance of the Terms from that point onwards.<br><br>2.3 You may not use the Services and may not accept the Terms if (a) you are not of legal age to form a binding contract with Google, or (b) you are a person barred from receiving the Services under the laws of the United States or other countries including the country in which you are resident or from which you use the Services.<br><br>2.4 Before you continue, you should print off or save a local copy of the Universal Terms for your records.<br><br>3. Language of the Terms<br><br>3.1 Where Google has provided you with a translation of the English language version of the Terms, then you agree that the translation is provided for your convenience only and that the English language versions of the Terms will govern your relationship with Google.<br><br>3.2 If there is any contradiction between what the English language version of the Terms says and what a translation says, then the English language version shall take precedence.<br><br>4. Provision of the Services by Google<br><br>4.1 Google has subsidiaries and affiliated legal entities around the world (&#147;Subsidiaries and Affiliates&#148;). Sometimes, these companies will be providing the Services to you on behalf of Google itself. You acknowledge and agree that Subsidiaries and Affiliates will be entitled to provide the Services to you.<br><br>4.2 Google is constantly innovating in order to provide the best possible experience for its users. You acknowledge and agree that the form and nature of the Services which Google provides may change from time to time without prior notice to you.<br><br>4.3 As part of this continuing innovation, you acknowledge and agree that Google may stop (permanently or temporarily) providing the Services (or any features within the Services) to you or to users generally at Google&#146;s sole discretion, without prior notice to you. You may stop using the Services at any time. You do not need to specifically inform Google when you stop using the Services.<br><br>4.4 You acknowledge and agree that if Google disables access to your account, you may be prevented from accessing the Services, your account details or any files or other content which is contained in your account.<br><br>4.5 You acknowledge and agree that while Google may not currently have set a fixed upper limit on the number of transmissions you may send or receive through the Services or on the amount of storage space used for the provision of any Service, such fixed upper limits may be set by Google at any time, at Google&#146;s discretion.<br><br>5. Use of the Services by you<br><br>5.1 In order to access certain Services, you may be required to provide information about yourself (such as identification or contact details) as part of the registration process for the Service, or as part of your continued use of the Services. You agree that any registration information you give to Google will always be accurate, correct and up to date.<br><br>5.2 You agree to use the Services only for purposes that are permitted by (a) the Terms and (b) any applicable law, regulation or generally accepted practices or guidelines in the relevant jurisdictions (including any laws regarding the export of data or software to and from the United States or other relevant countries).<br><br>5.3 You agree not to access (or attempt to access) any of the Services by any means other than through the interface that is provided by Google, unless you have been specifically allowed to do so in a separate agreement with Google. You specifically agree not to access (or attempt to access) any of the Services through any automated means (including use of scripts or web crawlers) and shall ensure that you comply with the instructions set out in any robots.txt file present on the Services.<br><br>5.4 You agree that you will not engage in any activity that interferes with or disrupts the Services (or the servers and networks which are connected to the Services).<br><br>5.5 Unless you have been specifically permitted to do so in a separate agreement with Google, you agree that you will not reproduce, duplicate, copy, sell, trade or resell the Services for any purpose.<br><br>5.6 You agree that you are solely responsible for (and that Google has no responsibility to you or to any third party for) any breach of your obligations under the Terms and for the consequences (including any loss or damage which Google may suffer) of any such breach.<br><br>6. Your passwords and account security<br><br>6.1 You agree and understand that you are responsible for maintaining the confidentiality of passwords associated with any account you use to access the Services.<br><br>6.2 Accordingly, you agree that you will be solely responsible to Google for all activities that occur under your account.<br><br>6.3 If you become aware of any unauthorized use of your password or of your account, you agree to notify Google immediately at &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.google.com/support/accounts/bin/answer.py?answer=48601" >www.google.com/support/accounts/&middot;&middot;&middot;er=48601</A>.<br><br>7. Privacy and your personal information<br><br>7.1 For information about Google&#146;s data protection practices, please read Google&#146;s privacy policy at &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.google.com/privacy.html" >www.google.com/privacy.html</A>. This policy explains how Google treats your personal information, and protects your privacy, when you use the Services.<br><br>7.2 You agree to the use of your data in accordance with Google&#146;s privacy policies.<br><br>8. Content in the Services<br><br>8.1 You understand that all information (such as data files, written text, computer software, music, audio files or other sounds, photographs, videos or other images) which you may have access to as part of, or through your use of, the Services are the sole responsibility of the person from which such content originated. All such information is referred to below as the &#147;Content&#148;.<br><br>8.2 You should be aware that Content presented to you as part of the Services, including but not limited to advertisements in the Services and sponsored Content within the Services may be protected by intellectual property rights which are owned by the sponsors or advertisers who provide that Content to Google (or by other persons or companies on their behalf). You may not modify, rent, lease, loan, sell, distribute or create derivative works based on this Content (either in whole or in part) unless you have been specifically told that you may do so by Google or by the owners of that Content, in a separate agreement.<br><br>8.3 Google reserves the right (but shall have no obligation) to pre-screen, review, flag, filter, modify, refuse or remove any or all Content from any Service. For some of the Services, Google may provide tools to filter out explicit sexual content. These tools include the SafeSearch preference settings (see &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.google.com/help/customize.html#safe" >www.google.com/help/customize.html#safe</A>). In addition, there are commercially available services and software to limit access to material that you may find objectionable.<br><br>8.4 You understand that by using the Services you may be exposed to Content that you may find offensive, indecent or objectionable and that, in this respect, you use the Services at your own risk.<br><br>8.5 You agree that you are solely responsible for (and that Google has no responsibility to you or to any third party for) any Content that you create, transmit or display while using the Services and for the consequences of your actions (including any loss or damage which Google may suffer) by doing so.<br><br>9. Proprietary rights<br><br>9.1 You acknowledge and agree that Google (or Google&#146;s licensors) own all legal right, title and interest in and to the Services, including any intellectual property rights which subsist in the Services (whether those rights happen to be registered or not, and wherever in the world those rights may exist). You further acknowledge that the Services may contain information which is designated confidential by Google and that you shall not disclose such information without Google&#146;s prior written consent.<br><br>9.2 Unless you have agreed otherwise in writing with Google, nothing in the Terms gives you a right to use any of Google&#146;s trade names, trade marks, service marks, logos, domain names, and other distinctive brand features.<br><br>9.3 If you have been given an explicit right to use any of these brand features in a separate written agreement with Google, then you agree that your use of such features shall be in compliance with that agreement, any applicable provisions of the Terms, and Google's brand feature use guidelines as updated from time to time. These guidelines can be viewed online at &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.google.com/permissions/guidelines.html" >www.google.com/permissions/guidelines.html</A> (or such other URL as Google may provide for this purpose from time to time).<br><br>9.4 Other than the limited license set forth in Section 11, Google acknowledges and agrees that it obtains no right, title or interest from you (or your licensors) under these Terms in or to any Content that you submit, post, transmit or display on, or through, the Services, including any intellectual property rights which subsist in that Content (whether those rights happen to be registered or not, and wherever in the world those rights may exist). Unless you have agreed otherwise in writing with Google, you agree that you are responsible for protecting and enforcing those rights and that Google has no obligation to do so on your behalf.<br><br>9.5 You agree that you shall not remove, obscure, or alter any proprietary rights notices (including copyright and trade mark notices) which may be affixed to or contained within the Services.<br><br>9.6 Unless you have been expressly authorized to do so in writing by Google, you agree that in using the Services, you will not use any trade mark, service mark, trade name, logo of any company or organization in a way that is likely or intended to cause confusion about the owner or authorized user of such marks, names or logos.<br><br>10. License from Google<br><br>10.1 Google gives you a personal, worldwide, royalty-free, non-assignable and non-exclusive license to use the software provided to you by Google as part of the Services as provided to you by Google (referred to as the &#147;Software&#148; below). This license is for the sole purpose of enabling you to use and enjoy the benefit of the Services as provided by Google, in the manner permitted by the Terms.<br><br>10.2 You may not (and you may not permit anyone else to) copy, modify, create a derivative work of, reverse engineer, decompile or otherwise attempt to extract the source code of the Software or any part thereof, unless this is expressly permitted or required by law, or unless you have been specifically told that you may do so by Google, in writing.<br><br>10.3 Unless Google has given you specific written permission to do so, you may not assign (or grant a sub-license of) your rights to use the Software, grant a security interest in or over your rights to use the Software, or otherwise transfer any part of your rights to use the Software.<br><br>11. Content license from you<br><br>11.1 You retain copyright and any other rights you already hold in Content which you submit, post or display on or through, the Services. By submitting, posting or displaying the content you give Google a perpetual, irrevocable, worldwide, royalty-free, and non-exclusive license to reproduce, adapt, modify, translate, publish, publicly perform, publicly display and distribute any Content which you submit, post or display on or through, the Services. This license is for the sole purpose of enabling Google to display, distribute and promote the Services and may be revoked for certain Services as defined in the Additional Terms of those Services.<br><br>11.2 You agree that this license includes a right for Google to make such Content available to other companies, organizations or individuals with whom Google has relationships for the provision of syndicated services, and to use such Content in connection with the provision of those services.<br><br>11.3 You understand that Google, in performing the required technical steps to provide the Services to our users, may (a) transmit or distribute your Content over various public networks and in various media; and (b) make such changes to your Content as are necessary to conform and adapt that Content to the technical requirements of connecting networks, devices, services or media. You agree that this license shall permit Google to take these actions.<br><br>11.4 You confirm and warrant to Google that you have all the rights, power and authority necessary to grant the above license.<br><br>12. Software updates<br><br>12.1 The Software which you use may automatically download and install updates from time to time from Google. These updates are designed to improve, enhance and further develop the Services and may take the form of bug fixes, enhanced functions, new software modules and completely new versions. You agree to receive such updates (and permit Google to deliver these to you) as part of your use of the Services.<br><br>13. Ending your relationship with Google<br><br>13.1 The Terms will continue to apply until terminated by either you or Google as set out below.<br><br>13.2 If you want to terminate your legal agreement with Google, you may do so by (a) notifying Google at any time and (b) closing your accounts for all of the Services which you use, where Google has made this option available to you. Your notice should be sent, in writing, to Google&#146;s address which is set out at the beginning of these Terms.<br><br>13.3 Google may at any time, terminate its legal agreement with you if:<br><br>(A) you have breached any provision of the Terms (or have acted in manner which clearly shows that you do not intend to, or are unable to comply with the provisions of the Terms); or<br><br>(B) Google is required to do so by law (for example, where the provision of the Services to you is, or becomes, unlawful); or<br><br>(C) the partner with whom Google offered the Services to you has terminated its relationship with Google or ceased to offer the Services to you; or<br><br>(D) Google is transitioning to no longer providing the Services to users in the country in which you are resident or from which you use the service; or<br><br>(E) the provision of the Services to you by Google is, in Google&#146;s opinion, no longer commercially viable.<br><br>13.4 Nothing in this Section shall affect Google&#146;s rights regarding provision of Services under Section 4 of the Terms.<br><br>13.5 When these Terms come to an end, all of the legal rights, obligations and liabilities that you and Google have benefited from, been subject to (or which have accrued over time whilst the Terms have been in force) or which are expressed to continue indefinitely, shall be unaffected by this cessation, and the provisions of paragraph 20.7 shall continue to apply to such rights, obligations and liabilities indefinitely.<br><br>14. EXCLUSION OF WARRANTIES<br><br>14.1 NOTHING IN THESE TERMS, INCLUDING SECTIONS 14 AND 15, SHALL EXCLUDE OR LIMIT GOOGLE&#146;S WARRANTY OR LIABILITY FOR LOSSES WHICH MAY NOT BE LAWFULLY EXCLUDED OR LIMITED BY APPLICABLE LAW. SOME JURISDICTIONS DO NOT ALLOW THE EXCLUSION OF CERTAIN WARRANTIES OR CONDITIONS OR THE LIMITATION OR EXCLUSION OF LIABILITY FOR LOSS OR DAMAGE CAUSED BY NEGLIGENCE, BREACH OF CONTRACT OR BREACH OF IMPLIED TERMS, OR INCIDENTAL OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES. ACCORDINGLY, ONLY THE LIMITATIONS WHICH ARE LAWFUL IN YOUR JURISDICTION WILL APPLY TO YOU AND OUR LIABILITY WILL BE LIMITED TO THE MAXIMUM EXTENT PERMITTED BY LAW.<br><br>14.2 YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT YOUR USE OF THE SERVICES IS AT YOUR SOLE RISK AND THAT THE SERVICES ARE PROVIDED "AS IS" AND &#147;AS AVAILABLE.&#148;<br><br>14.3 IN PARTICULAR, GOOGLE, ITS SUBSIDIARIES AND AFFILIATES, AND ITS LICENSORS DO NOT REPRESENT OR WARRANT TO YOU THAT:<br><br>(A) YOUR USE OF THE SERVICES WILL MEET YOUR REQUIREMENTS,<br><br>(B) YOUR USE OF THE SERVICES WILL BE UNINTERRUPTED, TIMELY, SECURE OR FREE FROM ERROR,<br><br>(C) ANY INFORMATION OBTAINED BY YOU AS A RESULT OF YOUR USE OF THE SERVICES WILL BE ACCURATE OR RELIABLE, AND<br><br>(D) THAT DEFECTS IN THE OPERATION OR FUNCTIONALITY OF ANY SOFTWARE PROVIDED TO YOU AS PART OF THE SERVICES WILL BE CORRECTED.<br><br>14.4 ANY MATERIAL DOWNLOADED OR OTHERWISE OBTAINED THROUGH THE USE OF THE SERVICES IS DONE AT YOUR OWN DISCRETION AND RISK AND THAT YOU WILL BE SOLELY RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY DAMAGE TO YOUR COMPUTER SYSTEM OR OTHER DEVICE OR LOSS OF DATA THAT RESULTS FROM THE DOWNLOAD OF ANY SUCH MATERIAL.<br><br>14.5 NO ADVICE OR INFORMATION, WHETHER ORAL OR WRITTEN, OBTAINED BY YOU FROM GOOGLE OR THROUGH OR FROM THE SERVICES SHALL CREATE ANY WARRANTY NOT EXPRESSLY STATED IN THE TERMS.<br><br>14.6 GOOGLE FURTHER EXPRESSLY DISCLAIMS ALL WARRANTIES AND CONDITIONS OF ANY KIND, WHETHER EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE IMPLIED WARRANTIES AND CONDITIONS OF MERCHANTABILITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE AND NON-INFRINGEMENT.<br><br>15. LIMITATION OF LIABILITY<br><br>15.1 SUBJECT TO OVERALL PROVISION IN PARAGRAPH 14.1 ABOVE, YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT GOOGLE, ITS SUBSIDIARIES AND AFFILIATES, AND ITS LICENSORS SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR:<br><br>(A) ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES WHICH MAY BE INCURRED BY YOU, HOWEVER CAUSED AND UNDER ANY THEORY OF LIABILITY.. THIS SHALL INCLUDE, BUT NOT BE LIMITED TO, ANY LOSS OF PROFIT (WHETHER INCURRED DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY), ANY LOSS OF GOODWILL OR BUSINESS REPUTATION, ANY LOSS OF DATA SUFFERED, COST OF PROCUREMENT OF SUBSTITUTE GOODS OR SERVICES, OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSS;<br><br>(B) ANY LOSS OR DAMAGE WHICH MAY BE INCURRED BY YOU, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO LOSS OR DAMAGE AS A RESULT OF:<br><br>(I) ANY RELIANCE PLACED BY YOU ON THE COMPLETENESS, ACCURACY OR EXISTENCE OF ANY ADVERTISING, OR AS A RESULT OF ANY RELATIONSHIP OR TRANSACTION BETWEEN YOU AND ANY ADVERTISER OR SPONSOR WHOSE ADVERTISING APPEARS ON THE SERVICES;<br><br>(II) ANY CHANGES WHICH GOOGLE MAY MAKE TO THE SERVICES, OR FOR ANY PERMANENT OR TEMPORARY CESSATION IN THE PROVISION OF THE SERVICES (OR ANY FEATURES WITHIN THE SERVICES);<br><br>(III) THE DELETION OF, CORRUPTION OF, OR FAILURE TO STORE, ANY CONTENT AND OTHER COMMUNICATIONS DATA MAINTAINED OR TRANSMITTED BY OR THROUGH YOUR USE OF THE SERVICES;<br><br>(III) YOUR FAILURE TO PROVIDE GOOGLE WITH ACCURATE ACCOUNT INFORMATION;<br><br>(IV) YOUR FAILURE TO KEEP YOUR PASSWORD OR ACCOUNT DETAILS SECURE AND CONFIDENTIAL;<br><br>15.2 THE LIMITATIONS ON GOOGLE&#146;S LIABILITY TO YOU IN PARAGRAPH 15.1 ABOVE SHALL APPLY WHETHER OR NOT GOOGLE HAS BEEN ADVISED OF OR SHOULD HAVE BEEN AWARE OF THE POSSIBILITY OF ANY SUCH LOSSES ARISING.<br><br>16. Copyright and trade mark policies<br><br>16.1 It is Google&#146;s policy to respond to notices of alleged copyright infringement that comply with applicable international intellectual property law (including, in the United States, the Digital Millennium Copyright Act) and to terminating the accounts of repeat infringers. Details of Google&#146;s policy can be found at &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.google.com/dmca.html" >www.google.com/dmca.html</A>.<br><br>16.2 Google operates a trade mark complaints procedure in respect of Google&#146;s advertising business, details of which can be found at &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.google.com/tm_complaint.html" >www.google.com/tm_complaint.html</A>.<br><br>17. Advertisements<br><br>17.1 Some of the Services are supported by advertising revenue and may display advertisements and promotions. These advertisements may be targeted to the content of information stored on the Services, queries made through the Services or other information.<br><br>17.2 The manner, mode and extent of advertising by Google on the Services are subject to change without specific notice to you.<br><br>17.3 In consideration for Google granting you access to and use of the Services, you agree that Google may place such advertising on the Services.<br><br>18. Other content<br><br>18.1 The Services may include hyperlinks to other web sites or content or resources. Google may have no control over any web sites or resources which are provided by companies or persons other than Google.<br><br>18.2 You acknowledge and agree that Google is not responsible for the availability of any such external sites or resources, and does not endorse any advertising, products or other materials on or available from such web sites or resources.<br><br>18.3 You acknowledge and agree that Google is not liable for any loss or damage which may be incurred by you as a result of the availability of those external sites or resources, or as a result of any reliance placed by you on the completeness, accuracy or existence of any advertising, products or other materials on, or available from, such web sites or resources.<br><br>19. Changes to the Terms<br><br>19.1 Google may make changes to the Universal Terms or Additional Terms from time to time. When these changes are made, Google will make a new copy of the Universal Terms available at &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.google.com/accounts/TOS?hl=en" >www.google.com/accounts/TOS?hl=en</A> and any new Additional Terms will be made available to you from within, or through, the affected Services.<br><br>19.2 You understand and agree that if you use the Services after the date on which the Universal Terms or Additional Terms have changed, Google will treat your use as acceptance of the updated Universal Terms or Additional Terms.<br><br>20. General legal terms<br><br>20.1 Sometimes when you use the Services, you may (as a result of, or through your use of the Services) use a service or download a piece of software, or purchase goods, which are provided by another person or company. Your use of these other services, software or goods may be subject to separate terms between you and the company or person concerned. If so, the Terms do not affect your legal relationship with these other companies or individuals.<br><br>20.2 The Terms constitute the whole legal agreement between you and Google and govern your use of the Services (but excluding any services which Google may provide to you under a separate written agreement), and completely replace any prior agreements between you and Google in relation to the Services.<br><br>20.3 You agree that Google may provide you with notices, including those regarding changes to the Terms, by email, regular mail, or postings on the Services.<br><br>20.4 You agree that if Google does not exercise or enforce any legal right or remedy which is contained in the Terms (or which Google has the benefit of under any applicable law), this will not be taken to be a formal waiver of Google&#146;s rights and that those rights or remedies will still be available to Google.<br><br>20.5 If any court of law, having the jurisdiction to decide on this matter, rules that any provision of these Terms is invalid, then that provision will be removed from the Terms without affecting the rest of the Terms. The remaining provisions of the Terms will continue to be valid and enforceable.<br><br>20.6 You acknowledge and agree that each member of the group of companies of which Google is the parent shall be third party beneficiaries to the Terms and that such other companies shall be entitled to directly enforce, and rely upon, any provision of the Terms which confers a benefit on (or rights in favor of) them. Other than this, no other person or company shall be third party beneficiaries to the Terms.<br><br>20.7 The Terms, and your relationship with Google under the Terms, shall be governed by the laws of the State of California without regard to its conflict of laws provisions. You and Google agree to submit to the exclusive jurisdiction of the courts located within the county of Santa Clara, California to resolve any legal matter arising from the Terms. Notwithstanding this, you agree that Google shall still be allowed to apply for injunctive remedies (or an equivalent type of urgent legal relief) in any jurisdiction.<br><br>August 15, 2008<br> </div>Anybody have a lawyer on retainer???]]></description>
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<title>Re: Chrome Browser (Google) combats IE8&#x27;s Privacy Tools</title>
<link>http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21050458</link>
<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/542145"><b>kvn864</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  chrisretusn <A HREF="/useremail/u/1477566"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br>Why I will not use Chrome. <br><br>11. Content license from you<br><br>11.1 You retain copyright and any other rights you already hold in Content which you submit, post or display on or through, the Services. <b>By submitting, posting or displaying the content you give Google a perpetual, irrevocable, worldwide, royalty-free, and non-exclusive license to reproduce, adapt, modify, translate, publish, publicly perform, publicly display and distribute any Content which you submit, post or display on or through, the Services. This license is for the sole purpose of enabling Google to display, distribute and promote the Services and may be revoked for certain Services as defined in the Additional Terms of those Services.<br></b><br>11.2 You agree that this license includes a right for Google to make such Content available to other companies, organizations or individuals with whom Google has relationships for the provision of syndicated services, and to use such Content in connection with the provision of those services.<br><br>11.3 You understand that Google, in performing the required technical steps to provide the Services to our users, may (a) transmit or distribute your Content over various public networks and in various media; and (b) make such changes to your Content as are necessary to conform and adapt that Content to the technical requirements of connecting networks, devices, services or media. You agree that this license shall permit Google to take these actions.<br><br>11.4 <b>You confirm and warrant to Google that you have all the rights, power and authority necessary to grant the above license.</b><br> </div>Some of us really will pay attention to that. Can someone explain in simple language what info they collect and how? Is it what you type in the Chrome, or sites you visit? Thanks.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 11:43:40 EDT</pubDate>
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<title>Re: Chrome BETA Available</title>
<link>http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21050264</link>
<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/634007"><b>SUMware</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Mele20 <A HREF="/useremail/u/403861"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  SUMware <A HREF="/useremail/u/634007"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br>Firefox 3 does not leak incoming and outgoing TPC on XP nor Linux on my box as tested numerous times at GRC.<br></div>Either you didn't do the test correctly or you failed to do the Cross Context test at all.</div>The tests were performed correctly with Firefox 3.0.1 (just minutes ago, twice, without Proxo, NoScript, etc.) and <i>included</i> the Cross Context test.<br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  Mele20 <A HREF="/useremail/u/403861"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br>The tests are not yet available to the general public.</div>If the GRC tests themselves are not fully available or malfunction, oh well! LOL.<br><br>Mele, evidently you are running the world famous FUBAR browser (and, knowing you, also probably misconfigured).<div class="borderless"><TABLE WIDTH=95% align=center border=0 CELLPADDING=4"><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=2 WIDTH=66%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/21050264?c=1345967&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyMTA0Mjk1My54bWw%3D"><IMG TITLE="63933 bytes" BORDER=0 WIDTH=291 HEIGHT=214 SRC="/r0/download/1345967~c0eaedca2cd1c7d8138979d9aeffc0df/1s.png"></A><br>Final Results</TD><TD ALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nowrap width=1%>&nbsp;</TD></TR><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=2 WIDTH=66%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/21050264?c=1345968&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyMTA0Mjk1My54bWw%3D"><IMG TITLE="30682 bytes" BORDER=0 WIDTH=291 HEIGHT=130 SRC="/r0/download/1345968~b9c9a9bfa90bd523030f0a4b5dac9c12/2s.png"></A><br>Final Results</TD><TD ALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nowrap width=1%>&nbsp;</TD></TABLE></div>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 11:09:47 EDT</pubDate>
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<title>Re: Chrome Browser (Google) combats IE8&#x27;s Privacy Tools</title>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1480950"><b>Cubytus</b></A> : Won't be using this anytime soon. <br><br>Everything doesn't reside in good looks; even if this browser has technical qualities, I won't be using just another tool to assert Google's dominance on the Internet and growing to be the best-engineered spyware ever created (Think of it just a minute: closed-algorithm search engine - absolutely no way to honestly improve one's ranking - , PayPal-style payment manager, medical records manager, GMail where a robot reads your mail to insert ads, satellite maps with clearly identifiable people w/StreetView, GoogleDesktop to index your documents - closed source, you don't know what they do with the results)<br><br>Their only service I have yet to find serious privacy issue is YouTube. Just a question of months, I think.<br><br>For once Microsoft is attempting to counterbalance Google's influence, for once I agree with their politics (but will continue to use Firefox ;))<br><br>There are alternatives to GG: exalead.fr, alltheweb.com for the search engines, PayPal for payments, Metacafe for the videos, and of course, Yahoo for the mail (best service) Oh well, Beagle for the desktop documents indexer.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/731068"><b>Sparrow</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  redhatnation <A HREF="/useremail/u/1212758"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  sivran <A HREF="/useremail/u/874811"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br>Never saw the Google Updater in my Services.<br>Scheduled task, check, folder in the app data\local settings\ directory, check. Registry entries, check. No service though.<br><br>*shrug*<br> </div>No option to uninstall GoogleUpdate from Add/Remove Programs?  WTF?  That sounds a little shady.  Instead people have to putz around with scheduled tasks and poking into directories to manually scrub it...?<br><br>(Not using Google Toolbar on this XP VM either)<br> </div>Delete the google update executable from program files, startup or wherever it's hiding and also in the registry.<br><small>--<br>"Be simple, be earnest and spread that simplicity throughout everything you do."</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1477566"><b>chrisretusn</b></A> : Why I will not use Chrome. <br><br>11. Content license from you<br><br>11.1 You retain copyright and any other rights you already hold in Content which you submit, post or display on or through, the Services. <b>By submitting, posting or displaying the content you give Google a perpetual, irrevocable, worldwide, royalty-free, and non-exclusive license to reproduce, adapt, modify, translate, publish, publicly perform, publicly display and distribute any Content which you submit, post or display on or through, the Services. This license is for the sole purpose of enabling Google to display, distribute and promote the Services and may be revoked for certain Services as defined in the Additional Terms of those Services.<br></b><br>11.2 You agree that this license includes a right for Google to make such Content available to other companies, organizations or individuals with whom Google has relationships for the provision of syndicated services, and to use such Content in connection with the provision of those services.<br><br>11.3 You understand that Google, in performing the required technical steps to provide the Services to our users, may (a) transmit or distribute your Content over various public networks and in various media; and (b) make such changes to your Content as are necessary to conform and adapt that Content to the technical requirements of connecting networks, devices, services or media. You agree that this license shall permit Google to take these actions.<br><br>11.4 <b>You confirm and warrant to Google that you have all the rights, power and authority necessary to grant the above license.</b><br><small>--<br>Chris<br><b>Living in Paradise!!</b></small>]]></description>
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<title>Re: Chrome BETA Available</title>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/403861"><b>Mele20</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Lanik <A HREF="/useremail/u/418397"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  Mele20 <A HREF="/useremail/u/403861"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>I don't have it to test but others in GRC newsgroups are reporting that it leaks TPC just like Fx. </div>Some of us still know from last time how that test turned out: &raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r20559009-OT-FireFox-cookie-nonsense">[OT] FireFox cookie nonsense</A><br> </div>I don't know what you guys ranted on about. It was obvious you can't stand Steve Gibson and you had no idea what you were talking about as far his cookies tests go so I stopped reading that thread as soon as I saw the Gibson haters try to smear him.<br><small>--<br>"The same ferocity that our founders devoted to protect the freedom and independence of the press is now appropriate for our defense of the freedom of the internet. The stakes are the same: the survival of our Republic". Al Gore, The Assault on Reason</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 08:50:14 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/403861"><b>Mele20</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  SUMware <A HREF="/useremail/u/634007"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>[Firefox 3 does not leak incoming and outgoing TPC on XP nor Linux on my box as tested numerous times at GRC.<br> </div>Either you didn't do the test correctly or you failed to do the Cross Context test at all. It the latter test that Fx fails (it passes the main cookie test but only because the Mozilla developers caught wind of Steve's project before Fx3 was released and rushed a fix through for it but they did not fix the cross context vulneralbilities only the glaring major TPC ones. IE (all versions) fail the main test and the Cross Context.  The tests have to be done properly and, unfortunately, even for us testers that was not always simple and obvious.  The tests are not yet available to the general public. <br><small>--<br>"The same ferocity that our founders devoted to protect the freedom and independence of the press is now appropriate for our defense of the freedom of the internet. The stakes are the same: the survival of our Republic". Al Gore, The Assault on Reason</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 08:47:42 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/984092"><b>Rickkins</b></A> : This is less a browser than a data miner.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 08:18:57 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/819609"><b>Grail Knight</b></A> : You mean they hire smart people but even smart people are known to like feedback. Of course all the feedback in the world is meaningless if they ignore it.<br><small>--<br>"Lego Succurro Lima"</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 05:22:49 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1212758"><b>redhatnation</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  redhatnation <A HREF="/useremail/u/1212758"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  sivran <A HREF="/useremail/u/874811"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br>Never saw the Google Updater in my Services.<br>Scheduled task, check, folder in the app data\local settings\ directory, check. Registry entries, check. No service though.<br><br>*shrug*<br> </div>No option to uninstall GoogleUpdate from Add/Remove Programs?  WTF?  That sounds a little shady.  Instead people have to putz around with scheduled tasks and poking into directories to manually scrub it...?<br><br>(Not using Google Toolbar on this XP VM either)<br> </div>(Bad form... I know) <br><br>Just found this note:<br><br>"Google Update Task uninstalls itself when there is no Google software using it. It may take a few hours for Google Update to detect it is time to uninstall."<br><br>The automation is cute.  Using a standard add/remote method is arguably better though.  ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1212758"><b>redhatnation</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  sivran <A HREF="/useremail/u/874811"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Never saw the Google Updater in my Services.<br>Scheduled task, check, folder in the app data\local settings\ directory, check. Registry entries, check. No service though.<br><br>*shrug*<br> </div>No option to uninstall GoogleUpdate from Add/Remove Programs?  WTF?  That sounds a little shady.  Instead people have to putz around with scheduled tasks and poking into directories to manually scrub it...?<br><br>(Not using Google Toolbar on this XP VM either)]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1030204"><b>NetFixer</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by Google EULA :</small><br><br>By submitting, posting or displaying the content you give Google a perpetual, irrevocable, worldwide, royalty-free, and non-exclusive license to reproduce, adapt, modify, translate, publish, publicly perform, publicly display and distribute any Content which you submit, post or display on or through, the Services.<br> </div>I think I may just need to block the Gobble* browser from even accessing my web sites.  :uhh:<br><br>* No I did not misspell Google; gobbling up the IP rights of others sounds like what it is intended to do.  :o<br><br><small>--<br>History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid.<br>-- Dwight D. Eisenhower<br><A HREF="http://portscan.dcs-net.net">Test your firewall.</a><br><A HREF="http://nature-pics.com">Smell the flowers.</a></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1050719"><b>Cthen</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Cthen <A HREF="/useremail/u/1050719"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  sivran <A HREF="/useremail/u/874811"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br>Never saw the Google Updater in my Services.<br>Scheduled task, check, folder in the app data\local settings\ directory, check. Registry entries, check. No service though.<br><br>*shrug*<br> </div>Same here, nothing at all.  My opinion so far, pretty damn good for a beta release.<br> </div>Correction, I did find it in Processes but it's tied to Google Toolbar for IE. :p]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1050719"><b>Cthen</b></A> : Odd I seem to be getting different numbers here than everyone else.  Chrome itself looks to be taking up around 40MB while the tabs are taking 10 - 20MB.  I'm not concerned seeing as I have more than enough memory for it but odd my that my numbers are different.<div class="borderless"><TABLE WIDTH=95% align=center border=0 CELLPADDING=4"><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/21048943?c=1345885&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyMTA0Mjk1My54bWw%3D"><IMG class="apic" BORDER=0 TITLE="134678 bytes" WIDTH=600 HEIGHT=375 SRC="/r0/download/1345885.thumb600~7974749243936bc323d988a7e91c983f/chromeprocess.JPG/thumb.jpg" ALT="Click for full size"></A></TD></TABLE></div>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 01:18:50 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/772729"><b>Nerdtalker</b></A> : This whole "spawns a new process for each tab" business is nice, but anyone else notice that RAM use is out of control? I just had 4 or 5 tabs open and each of them was eating up a good 40-60 MB apiece. That's kind of incredible considering the flack Firefox got for 100 MB or so per instance.<br><br>I'm suspicious of Chrome. Loads fast, seems ok... But Google is worrisome lately.<br><small>--<br>"Some people never see the light till it shines thru bullet holes." -Bruce Cockburn<br><br>I'm testing Gmail's spam filters: Broadbandreports1@gmail.com<br><b>Spam: 12900+</b> messages currently using 406 MB.</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 01:09:35 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1050719"><b>Cthen</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  sivran <A HREF="/useremail/u/874811"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Never saw the Google Updater in my Services.<br>Scheduled task, check, folder in the app data\local settings\ directory, check. Registry entries, check. No service though.<br><br>*shrug*<br> </div>Same here, nothing at all.  My opinion so far, pretty damn good for a beta release.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/874811"><b>sivran</b></A> : Never saw the Google Updater in my Services.<br>Scheduled task, check, folder in the app data\local settings\ directory, check. Registry entries, check. No service though.<br><br>*shrug*]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/615773"><b>hpguru</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Grail Knight <A HREF="/useremail/u/819609"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>One thing about a EULA is that it can be changed so what you do now Marilyn is put your own brand of thoughts into something that is worthy of feedback and tell Google that you will or will not use their browser based on the EULA and then quote the pertinent parts of it that offend you.<br><br>Feedback Feedback Feedback Feedback<br> </div>Or just don't use it and leave them wondering why. They are smart people right? Let them figure it out.<br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://www.youtube.com/GIIVideo">God is imaginary.</a><br><i><A HREF="http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/phx/167335230.html">Top Ten Signs You're a Fundamentalist Christian</a></i><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.talk2action.org/" >www.talk2action.org/</A><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.fstdt.com/" >www.fstdt.com/</A></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/731068"><b>Sparrow</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Rickkins <A HREF="/useremail/u/984092"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>What a steaming pile of turd.<br>Uninstalled after less than half an hour.<br>Get this...this thing continued to attempt to call home even after it had been uninstalled.<br>I have since thoroughly wiped it from my machine.<br> </div>You have to kill off the Google Updater by disabling it in Services. End the task in Task Manager and then disable the service. Calling home problem solved. <br><br>It seems to me they launched the beta "bare bones" and will add or remove (not much to remove at this stage) according to the feedback they receive. <br><br>However, it was very fast, likely because it's not bloated with "customer requests" yet. <br><br>Goodnight all! ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/418397"><b>Lanik</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Mele20 <A HREF="/useremail/u/403861"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>I don't have it to test but others in GRC newsgroups are reporting that it leaks TPC just like Fx. </div>Some of us still know from last time how that test turned out: &raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r20559009-OT-FireFox-cookie-nonsense">[OT] FireFox cookie nonsense</A><br><small>--<br>"If it ain't broke don't fix it."</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/606164"><b>dja</b></A> : 4.5 You acknowledge and agree that while Google may not currently have set a fixed upper limit<br>on the number of transmissions you may send or receive through the Services, or on the amount<br>of storage space used for the provision of any Service, such fixed upper limits may be set by Google<br>at any time, at Google&#146;s discretion.<br><br>-------------------------<br><br>The need to allow for the possibility of a cap, leads me to suspect<br>that one's net access may be routed through Google servers.<br><br>Why else would they care, unless load may become an issue.<br>Does anyone know if the browser re-directs, or routes through Google.<br><small>--<br>"The most virtuous patriotism, is a resistance to bad laws."<br>(My <i>somethingth</i> cousin - <i>so many</i> times removed... <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Carlile">Richard Carlile</a> )</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 23:48:41 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1346679"><b>AB</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  sivran <A HREF="/useremail/u/874811"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>You can use the igoogle page to get a search box that doesn't offer suggestions. :)<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.google.com/ig?hl=en" >www.google.com/ig?hl=en</A><br><br>No login required. </div>Thanks. But one of the reasons I was using Google-English was specifically not to be using 'I-Google'.<br><br> dave <A HREF="/useremail/u/156437"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>'s got it right-- they're no different than Microsoft. Maybe worse.<br>They want to subtly push the entire universe into bending to their will, and to be able to intrude themselves upon and collect information from every single individual that ever sits in front of a computer keyboard.<br><br>That wouldn't seem to be totally in harmony with their 'First, do no evil' motto.<br>Not the first time their words and actions don't jibe up together, either.<br><br>I'm not bitching or ranting, really, more just making a couple of observations as I see them.<br><br>But I won't be using their browser. I've already got one, you see, and it's uh very nice uh.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/767726"><b>StraitShoot</b></A> : Very fast browser!  If I want to send a link, is there an option on the menu? ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1227894"><b>Potty Time</b></A> : From some dudes who probably didn't know what they were talking about. I was just wondering if anyone here heard anything about it. :hmm:]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/874811"><b>sivran</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  AB <A HREF="/useremail/u/1346679"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>I've been using 'Google-English' as my search page for quite a while-- that is, until about a week ago, when Google apparently decided to take it off-line.<br><br>So I switched to the standard Google page, where I now get a bunch of 'suggestions' listed every time I type in a search term, and would seem to be unable to change that behaviour without allowing a cookie for them and setting a 'preference'.<br><br>It may not be much, but it's certainly more info on me and my surfing habits than they were getting before.<br>I can't help but feel that's all part of the the trend-- the 'push', if you will.<br><br><small>My Moderator's been working for me!</small><br> </div>You can use the igoogle page to get a search box that doesn't offer suggestions. :)<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.google.com/ig?hl=en" >www.google.com/ig?hl=en</A><br><br>No login required.<br><small>--<br>The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon pro<b>fit</b>able cause...</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/634007"><b>SUMware</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Potty Time <A HREF="/useremail/u/1227894"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>I heard this thing can give you the dreaded Antivirus XP 2008 thing.</div>Where did you hear that? Sounds VERY bogus.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/634007"><b>SUMware</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  AB <A HREF="/useremail/u/1346679"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>It may not be much, but it's certainly more info on me and my surfing habits than they were getting before.</div>You could try <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scroogle">Scroogle</a>:<br><i>Scroogle is a web service that disguises the Internet address of users who want to run Google searches anonymously. Scroogle also gives users the option of having all communication between their computer and the search page be SSL encrypted.</i><br><br>&raquo;<small>https</small>://<A HREF="https://ssl.scroogle.org/index.html">ssl.scroogle.org/index.html</A>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 23:22:32 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1227894"><b>Potty Time</b></A> : I heard this thing can give you the dreaded Antivirus XP 2008 thing. Anyone know about this or were some people just being mean-o's and making stuff up?]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 23:11:21 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1346679"><b>AB</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  dave <A HREF="/useremail/u/156437"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote">That includes privacy changes that could prevent it from collecting information related to the effectiveness of its adds, ...</div>OK.  So Microsoft is finally taking steps in the approximate direction of protecting our privacy, and the "don't be evil" guys need a way around that?<br><br>Oh-kay.<br><br>My, but it's easy to piss a good reputation away. </div>I've been using 'Google-English' as my search page for quite a while-- that is, until about a week ago, when Google apparently decided to take it off-line.<br><br>So I switched to the standard Google page, where I now get a bunch of 'suggestions' listed every time I type in a search term, and would seem to be unable to change that behaviour without allowing a cookie for them and setting a 'preference'.<br><br>It may not be much, but it's certainly more info on me and my surfing habits than they were getting before.<br>I can't help but feel that's all part of the the trend-- the 'push', if you will.<br><br><small>My Moderator's been working for me!</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 23:04:19 EDT</pubDate>
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<title>Re: Chrome BETA Available</title>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/634007"><b>SUMware</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Mele20 <A HREF="/useremail/u/403861"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>I don't have it to test but others in GRC newsgroups are reporting that it leaks TPC just like Fx. Not nearly as bad as all versions of IE (including IE8beta2) which is totally incapable of blocking TPC. Chrome blocks incoming TPC but fails on outgoing just as Fx does so if a cookie is acquired as FP, Chrome, like Fx, will return it to a THIRD party requester. But at least Chrome, like Fx, block incoming TPC which IE is incapable of doing.</div>Firefox 3 does not leak incoming and outgoing TPC on XP nor Linux on my box as tested numerous times at GRC.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/429050"><b>La Luna</b></A> : Too many issues, I'll pass.<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r21045727-Google-Chrome-Beta-Released">Google Chrome Beta Released!</A>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/260736"><b>Vampirefo</b></A> : Sounds god looking forward to Linux version.<br><small>--<br>Best RegardsVampirefo</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 22:09:58 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/984092"><b>Rickkins</b></A> : What a steaming pile of turd.<br>Uninstalled after less than half an hour.<br>Get this...this thing continued to attempt to call home even after it had been uninstalled.<br>I have since thoroughly wiped it from my machine.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/156437"><b>dave</b></A> : <div class="bquote">That includes privacy changes that could prevent it from collecting information related to the effectiveness of its adds, ...</div>OK.  So Microsoft is finally taking steps in the approximate direction of protecting our privacy, and the "don't be evil" guys need a way around that?<br><br>Oh-kay.<br><br>My, but it's easy to piss a good reputation away.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/819609"><b>Grail Knight</b></A> :  <blockquote><small>quote:</small><hr>I don't have it to test but others in GRC newsgroups are reporting that it leaks TPC just like Fx.<hr></blockquote><br><br>GRC results do not excite me like they do others considering I know of Fx test results from a properly configured browser and people I trust to test correctly that passes the GRC tests. <br>--------------<br>As for the EULA it is what it is and Google makes money from collecting providing ads based on what data they collect in return they offer free programs that are very good and superior search results. Their browser will come along no doubt but not without feedback.<br><br> <blockquote><small>quote:</small><hr>There is no way I can provide feedback to Google because Google requires that you have an account with them if you wish to provide feedback. I have no intention of ever having an account with Google.<hr></blockquote><br><br>Is it that hard to make up information for a throw away account?<br><small>--<br>"Lego Succurro Lima"</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 21:03:47 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/731068"><b>Sparrow</b></A> : Uninstall the beta, Mele, and you will be automatically redirected to a feedback page. That is where I posted my concerns. <br><br>I don't need Google to verify they received my concerns, I know they will read them or at least take a head count on the radio button options as to why you uninstalled the browser. <br><br>Other than the EULA, posters complaining about the lack of amenities currently being offered, please keep in mind that 2 September 2008 is BETA day, not Final Release day. ;)<br><small>--<br>"Be simple, be earnest and spread that simplicity throughout everything you do."</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 20:59:41 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/403861"><b>Mele20</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Grail Knight <A HREF="/useremail/u/819609"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Cookie Options are similar to Fx w/ third party special handling.<br><br>Font options are few and I did not see any link color options but I admit I gave it a quick once over.<br><br>Maybe in 6 months I will revisit it. Left some feedback for Google to ponder along with EULA feedback although being Google I doubt the EULA will change much.<br> </div>I don't have it to test but others in GRC newsgroups are reporting that it leaks TPC just like Fx. Not nearly as bad as all versions of IE (including IE8beta2) which is totally incapable of blocking TPC. Chrome blocks incoming TPC but fails on outgoing just as Fx does so if a cookie is acquired as FP, Chrome, like Fx, will return it to a THIRD party requester. But at least Chrome, like Fx, block incoming TPC which IE is incapable of doing.<br><br>Evidently also (according to GRC NG posts) there is no distinction between session and permanent cookies and no way to delete all session cookies at the end of the session. There is no white or black list.  Even if I did not object strenuously to the EULA, I would not be interested in a browser with such primitive cookie handling.<br><br>There is no way I can provide feedback to Google because Google requires that you have an account with them if you wish to provide feedback. I have no intention of ever having an account with Google. They should have some other method for providing feedback for those of us not wishing to establish a Google account. <br><small>--<br>"The same ferocity that our founders devoted to protect the freedom and independence of the press is now appropriate for our defense of the freedom of the internet. The stakes are the same: the survival of our Republic". Al Gore, The Assault on Reason</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 20:22:52 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/819609"><b>Grail Knight</b></A> : Not a bad looking browser.<br> <br>-Tabs swap quickly and bookmarks are easy to manage and create.<br><br>-History & Downloads are given their own tabs with logical layout. The address bar is similar to the Fx Awesome Bar which I like.<br><br>-Very basic options panel. <br><br>-Search plugins are easy to change although Chrome did not see Fx installed but I am using the trunk so that is not surprising.<br><br>Cookie Options are similar to Fx w/ third party special handling.<br><br>Font options are few and I did not see any link color options but I admit I gave it a quick once over.<br><br>Maybe in 6 months I will revisit it. Left some feedback for Google to ponder along with EULA feedback although being Google I doubt the EULA will change much.<br><small>--<br>"Lego Succurro Lima"</small><div class="borderless"><TABLE WIDTH=95% align=center border=0 CELLPADDING=4"><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/21047362?c=1345780&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyMTA0Mjk1My54bWw%3D"><IMG class="apic" BORDER=0 TITLE="200303 bytes" WIDTH=600 HEIGHT=374 SRC="/r0/download/1345780.thumb600~e0523a1a298c5b2bc66411a0ef8bd796/Screen Shot003.png/thumb.jpg" ALT="Click for full size"></A><br>Chrome</TD></TR><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/21047362?c=1345783&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyMTA0Mjk1My54bWw%3D"><IMG class="apic" BORDER=0 TITLE="55679 bytes" WIDTH=600 HEIGHT=402 SRC="/r0/download/1345783.thumb600~691fc567b0c2818a8abd5c88e5613e6e/Incognito.png/thumb.jpg" ALT="Click for full size"></A><br>Incognito Mode</TD></TABLE></div>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 19:41:58 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1531837"><b>Its a Secret</b></A> : This is a non-runner in my view. Google can't disregard user's privacy to fill their bottom line. I don't like IE8 and I sure the hell don't like 'Chrome'!  :mad:<br><small>--<br>"In the future, that which is not mandatory will be illegal"</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 19:37:16 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : <b>Fail !</b><br>No drop down box at the end of the address bar for pages I have visited. No way to disable pop-up blocker, only the notification. Felt like I was trying to swim with one arm tied behind my back.  :(]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 19:26:26 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/819609"><b>Grail Knight</b></A> : One thing about a EULA is that it can be changed so what you do now Marilyn is put your own brand of thoughts into something that is worthy of feedback and tell Google that you will or will not use their browser based on the EULA and then quote the pertinent parts of it that offend you.<br><br>Feedback Feedback Feedback Feedback<br><small>--<br>"Lego Succurro Lima"</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 18:50:03 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/731068"><b>Sparrow</b></A> : Tried it, played with it, almost like it, but uninstalled with a friendly note to Google as to my thoughts.<br><br>It is good to get another browser in the mix, but I also have concerns about Google's bots and information concerns. <br><br>Like a good wine, it should improve with age, so I shall wait a bit longer. ]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 18:24:22 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/403861"><b>Mele20</b></A> : The EULA is just as horrible and privacy impacting as the EULA for Netscape 8 that so many criticized severely. Netscape is no more and I believe that is partly because of AOL's offensive EULA for Netscape. It will be interesting to see if users just didn't like AOL or actually saw the evilness in the Eula because they should respond exactly the same for the Google Chrome EULA: avoid Chrome totally. <br><br>Eulalyzer says this is an extremely long EULA (calculated to make users not bother reading it because of it length) with a high calculated interest. Eulayzer flags the advertisement clauses, one in particular, in the RED at level 8.  Eulalyzer also flags the clause that bothers me the most and it is very much like that of the now defunct Netscape8 that most of us avoided like the plague although it is slightly less offensive:<br><br>"Software updates<br><br>12.1 The Software which you use may automatically download and install updates from time to time from Google. These updates are designed to improve, enhance and further develop the Services and may take the form of bug fixes, enhanced functions, new software modules and completely new versions. You agree to receive such updates (and permit Google to deliver these to you) as part of your use of the Services."<br><br>The above clause gives Google the right to do anything they want on your computer without your prior knowledge as you have basically consented to giving them ownership of your computer.  Aside from all privacy concerns, I would, after reading the above clause, NEVER install this software just as I never installed Netscape 8. I hope Chrome suffers the same fate that Netscape did.<br><br>edit: fixed typo <br><small>--<br>"The same ferocity that our founders devoted to protect the freedom and independence of the press is now appropriate for our defense of the freedom of the internet. The stakes are the same: the survival of our Republic". Al Gore, The Assault on Reason</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 18:23:21 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/940628"><b>Pole883</b></A> : I'm passing.........]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/634007"><b>SUMware</b></A> : Download the <i>Google Chrome Browser</i> <b>BETA</b> for Windows Vista & XP <A HREF="http://www.google.com/chrome">here</a>.<br><br><b>EULA</b>:<br><br>Google Chrome Terms of Service<br><br>These Terms of Service apply to the executable code version of Google Chrome. Source code for Google Chrome is available free of charge under open source software license agreements at &raquo;<A HREF="http://code.google.com/chromium/terms.html" >code.google.com/chromium/terms.html</A>.<br><br>1. Your relationship with Google<br><br>1.1 Your use of Google&#146;s products, software, services and web sites (referred to collectively as the &#147;Services&#148; in this document and excluding any services provided to you by Google under a separate written agreement) is subject to the terms of a legal agreement between you and Google. &#147;Google&#148; means Google Inc., whose principal place of business is at 1600 Amphitheatre Parkway, Mountain View, CA 94043, United States. This document explains how the agreement is made up, and sets out some of the terms of that agreement.<br><br>1.2 Unless otherwise agreed in writing with Google, your agreement with Google will always include, at a minimum, the terms and conditions set out in this document. These are referred to below as the &#147;Universal Terms&#148;. Open source software licenses for Google Chrome source code constitute separate written agreements. To the limited extent that the open source software licenses expressly supersede these Universal Terms, the open source licenses govern your agreement with Google for the use of Google Chrome or specific included components of Google Chrome.<br><br>1.3 Your agreement with Google will also include the terms of any Legal Notices applicable to the Services, in addition to the Universal Terms. All of these are referred to below as the &#147;Additional Terms&#148;. Where Additional Terms apply to a Service, these will be accessible for you to read either within, or through your use of, that Service.<br><br>1.4 The Universal Terms, together with the Additional Terms, form a legally binding agreement between you and Google in relation to your use of the Services. It is important that you take the time to read them carefully. Collectively, this legal agreement is referred to below as the &#147;Terms&#148;.<br><br>1.5 If there is any contradiction between what the Additional Terms say and what the Universal Terms say, then the Additional Terms shall take precedence in relation to that Service.<br><br>2. Accepting the Terms<br><br>2.1 In order to use the Services, you must first agree to the Terms. You may not use the Services if you do not accept the Terms.<br><br>2.2 You can accept the Terms by:<br><br>(A) clicking to accept or agree to the Terms, where this option is made available to you by Google in the user interface for any Service; or<br><br>(B) by actually using the Services. In this case, you understand and agree that Google will treat your use of the Services as acceptance of the Terms from that point onwards.<br><br>2.3 You may not use the Services and may not accept the Terms if (a) you are not of legal age to form a binding contract with Google, or (b) you are a person barred from receiving the Services under the laws of the United States or other countries including the country in which you are resident or from which you use the Services.<br><br>2.4 Before you continue, you should print off or save a local copy of the Universal Terms for your records.<br><br>3. Language of the Terms<br><br>3.1 Where Google has provided you with a translation of the English language version of the Terms, then you agree that the translation is provided for your convenience only and that the English language versions of the Terms will govern your relationship with Google.<br><br>3.2 If there is any contradiction between what the English language version of the Terms says and what a translation says, then the English language version shall take precedence.<br><br>4. Provision of the Services by Google<br><br>4.1 Google has subsidiaries and affiliated legal entities around the world (&#147;Subsidiaries and Affiliates&#148;). Sometimes, these companies will be providing the Services to you on behalf of Google itself. You acknowledge and agree that Subsidiaries and Affiliates will be entitled to provide the Services to you.<br><br>4.2 Google is constantly innovating in order to provide the best possible experience for its users. You acknowledge and agree that the form and nature of the Services which Google provides may change from time to time without prior notice to you.<br><br>4.3 As part of this continuing innovation, you acknowledge and agree that Google may stop (permanently or temporarily) providing the Services (or any features within the Services) to you or to users generally at Google&#146;s sole discretion, without prior notice to you. You may stop using the Services at any time. You do not need to specifically inform Google when you stop using the Services.<br><br>4.4 You acknowledge and agree that if Google disables access to your account, you may be prevented from accessing the Services, your account details or any files or other content which is contained in your account.<br><br>4.5 You acknowledge and agree that while Google may not currently have set a fixed upper limit on the number of transmissions you may send or receive through the Services or on the amount of storage space used for the provision of any Service, such fixed upper limits may be set by Google at any time, at Google&#146;s discretion.<br><br>5. Use of the Services by you<br><br>5.1 In order to access certain Services, you may be required to provide information about yourself (such as identification or contact details) as part of the registration process for the Service, or as part of your continued use of the Services. You agree that any registration information you give to Google will always be accurate, correct and up to date.<br><br>5.2 You agree to use the Services only for purposes that are permitted by (a) the Terms and (b) any applicable law, regulation or generally accepted practices or guidelines in the relevant jurisdictions (including any laws regarding the export of data or software to and from the United States or other relevant countries).<br><br>5.3 You agree not to access (or attempt to access) any of the Services by any means other than through the interface that is provided by Google, unless you have been specifically allowed to do so in a separate agreement with Google. You specifically agree not to access (or attempt to access) any of the Services through any automated means (including use of scripts or web crawlers) and shall ensure that you comply with the instructions set out in any robots.txt file present on the Services.<br><br>5.4 You agree that you will not engage in any activity that interferes with or disrupts the Services (or the servers and networks which are connected to the Services).<br><br>5.5 Unless you have been specifically permitted to do so in a separate agreement with Google, you agree that you will not reproduce, duplicate, copy, sell, trade or resell the Services for any purpose.<br><br>5.6 You agree that you are solely responsible for (and that Google has no responsibility to you or to any third party for) any breach of your obligations under the Terms and for the consequences (including any loss or damage which Google may suffer) of any such breach.<br><br>6. Your passwords and account security<br><br>6.1 You agree and understand that you are responsible for maintaining the confidentiality of passwords associated with any account you use to access the Services.<br><br>6.2 Accordingly, you agree that you will be solely responsible to Google for all activities that occur under your account.<br><br>6.3 If you become aware of any unauthorized use of your password or of your account, you agree to notify Google immediately at &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.google.com/support/accounts/bin/answer.py?answer=48601" >www.google.com/support/accounts/&middot;&middot;&middot;er=48601</A>.<br><br>7. Privacy and your personal information<br><br>7.1 For information about Google&#146;s data protection practices, please read Google&#146;s privacy policy at &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.google.com/privacy.html" >www.google.com/privacy.html</A>. This policy explains how Google treats your personal information, and protects your privacy, when you use the Services.<br><br>7.2 You agree to the use of your data in accordance with Google&#146;s privacy policies.<br><br>8. Content in the Services<br><br>8.1 You understand that all information (such as data files, written text, computer software, music, audio files or other sounds, photographs, videos or other images) which you may have access to as part of, or through your use of, the Services are the sole responsibility of the person from which such content originated. All such information is referred to below as the &#147;Content&#148;.<br><br>8.2 You should be aware that Content presented to you as part of the Services, including but not limited to advertisements in the Services and sponsored Content within the Services may be protected by intellectual property rights which are owned by the sponsors or advertisers who provide that Content to Google (or by other persons or companies on their behalf). You may not modify, rent, lease, loan, sell, distribute or create derivative works based on this Content (either in whole or in part) unless you have been specifically told that you may do so by Google or by the owners of that Content, in a separate agreement.<br><br>8.3 Google reserves the right (but shall have no obligation) to pre-screen, review, flag, filter, modify, refuse or remove any or all Content from any Service. For some of the Services, Google may provide tools to filter out explicit sexual content. These tools include the SafeSearch preference settings (see &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.google.com/help/customize.html#safe" >www.google.com/help/customize.html#safe</A>). In addition, there are commercially available services and software to limit access to material that you may find objectionable.<br><br>8.4 You understand that by using the Services you may be exposed to Content that you may find offensive, indecent or objectionable and that, in this respect, you use the Services at your own risk.<br><br>8.5 You agree that you are solely responsible for (and that Google has no responsibility to you or to any third party for) any Content that you create, transmit or display while using the Services and for the consequences of your actions (including any loss or damage which Google may suffer) by doing so.<br><br>9. Proprietary rights<br><br>9.1 You acknowledge and agree that Google (or Google&#146;s licensors) own all legal right, title and interest in and to the Services, including any intellectual property rights which subsist in the Services (whether those rights happen to be registered or not, and wherever in the world those rights may exist). You further acknowledge that the Services may contain information which is designated confidential by Google and that you shall not disclose such information without Google&#146;s prior written consent.<br><br>9.2 Unless you have agreed otherwise in writing with Google, nothing in the Terms gives you a right to use any of Google&#146;s trade names, trade marks, service marks, logos, domain names, and other distinctive brand features.<br><br>9.3 If you have been given an explicit right to use any of these brand features in a separate written agreement with Google, then you agree that your use of such features shall be in compliance with that agreement, any applicable provisions of the Terms, and Google's brand feature use guidelines as updated from time to time. These guidelines can be viewed online at &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.google.com/permissions/guidelines.html" >www.google.com/permissions/guidelines.html</A> (or such other URL as Google may provide for this purpose from time to time).<br><br>9.4 Other than the limited license set forth in Section 11, Google acknowledges and agrees that it obtains no right, title or interest from you (or your licensors) under these Terms in or to any Content that you submit, post, transmit or display on, or through, the Services, including any intellectual property rights which subsist in that Content (whether those rights happen to be registered or not, and wherever in the world those rights may exist). Unless you have agreed otherwise in writing with Google, you agree that you are responsible for protecting and enforcing those rights and that Google has no obligation to do so on your behalf.<br><br>9.5 You agree that you shall not remove, obscure, or alter any proprietary rights notices (including copyright and trade mark notices) which may be affixed to or contained within the Services.<br><br>9.6 Unless you have been expressly authorized to do so in writing by Google, you agree that in using the Services, you will not use any trade mark, service mark, trade name, logo of any company or organization in a way that is likely or intended to cause confusion about the owner or authorized user of such marks, names or logos.<br><br>10. License from Google<br><br>10.1 Google gives you a personal, worldwide, royalty-free, non-assignable and non-exclusive license to use the software provided to you by Google as part of the Services as provided to you by Google (referred to as the &#147;Software&#148; below). This license is for the sole purpose of enabling you to use and enjoy the benefit of the Services as provided by Google, in the manner permitted by the Terms.<br><br>10.2 You may not (and you may not permit anyone else to) copy, modify, create a derivative work of, reverse engineer, decompile or otherwise attempt to extract the source code of the Software or any part thereof, unless this is expressly permitted or required by law, or unless you have been specifically told that you may do so by Google, in writing.<br><br>10.3 Unless Google has given you specific written permission to do so, you may not assign (or grant a sub-license of) your rights to use the Software, grant a security interest in or over your rights to use the Software, or otherwise transfer any part of your rights to use the Software.<br><br>11. Content license from you<br><br>11.1 You retain copyright and any other rights you already hold in Content which you submit, post or display on or through, the Services. By submitting, posting or displaying the content you give Google a perpetual, irrevocable, worldwide, royalty-free, and non-exclusive license to reproduce, adapt, modify, translate, publish, publicly perform, publicly display and distribute any Content which you submit, post or display on or through, the Services. This license is for the sole purpose of enabling Google to display, distribute and promote the Services and may be revoked for certain Services as defined in the Additional Terms of those Services.<br><br>11.2 You agree that this license includes a right for Google to make such Content available to other companies, organizations or individuals with whom Google has relationships for the provision of syndicated services, and to use such Content in connection with the provision of those services.<br><br>11.3 You understand that Google, in performing the required technical steps to provide the Services to our users, may (a) transmit or distribute your Content over various public networks and in various media; and (b) make such changes to your Content as are necessary to conform and adapt that Content to the technical requirements of connecting networks, devices, services or media. You agree that this license shall permit Google to take these actions.<br><br>11.4 You confirm and warrant to Google that you have all the rights, power and authority necessary to grant the above license.<br><br>12. Software updates<br><br>12.1 The Software which you use may automatically download and install updates from time to time from Google. These updates are designed to improve, enhance and further develop the Services and may take the form of bug fixes, enhanced functions, new software modules and completely new versions. You agree to receive such updates (and permit Google to deliver these to you) as part of your use of the Services.<br><br>13. Ending your relationship with Google<br><br>13.1 The Terms will continue to apply until terminated by either you or Google as set out below.<br><br>13.2 If you want to terminate your legal agreement with Google, you may do so by (a) notifying Google at any time and (b) closing your accounts for all of the Services which you use, where Google has made this option available to you. Your notice should be sent, in writing, to Google&#146;s address which is set out at the beginning of these Terms.<br><br>13.3 Google may at any time, terminate its legal agreement with you if:<br><br>(A) you have breached any provision of the Terms (or have acted in manner which clearly shows that you do not intend to, or are unable to comply with the provisions of the Terms); or<br><br>(B) Google is required to do so by law (for example, where the provision of the Services to you is, or becomes, unlawful); or<br><br>(C) the partner with whom Google offered the Services to you has terminated its relationship with Google or ceased to offer the Services to you; or<br><br>(D) Google is transitioning to no longer providing the Services to users in the country in which you are resident or from which you use the service; or<br><br>(E) the provision of the Services to you by Google is, in Google&#146;s opinion, no longer commercially viable.<br><br>13.4 Nothing in this Section shall affect Google&#146;s rights regarding provision of Services under Section 4 of the Terms.<br><br>13.5 When these Terms come to an end, all of the legal rights, obligations and liabilities that you and Google have benefited from, been subject to (or which have accrued over time whilst the Terms have been in force) or which are expressed to continue indefinitely, shall be unaffected by this cessation, and the provisions of paragraph 20.7 shall continue to apply to such rights, obligations and liabilities indefinitely.<br><br>14. EXCLUSION OF WARRANTIES<br><br>14.1 NOTHING IN THESE TERMS, INCLUDING SECTIONS 14 AND 15, SHALL EXCLUDE OR LIMIT GOOGLE&#146;S WARRANTY OR LIABILITY FOR LOSSES WHICH MAY NOT BE LAWFULLY EXCLUDED OR LIMITED BY APPLICABLE LAW. SOME JURISDICTIONS DO NOT ALLOW THE EXCLUSION OF CERTAIN WARRANTIES OR CONDITIONS OR THE LIMITATION OR EXCLUSION OF LIABILITY FOR LOSS OR DAMAGE CAUSED BY NEGLIGENCE, BREACH OF CONTRACT OR BREACH OF IMPLIED TERMS, OR INCIDENTAL OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES. ACCORDINGLY, ONLY THE LIMITATIONS WHICH ARE LAWFUL IN YOUR JURISDICTION WILL APPLY TO YOU AND OUR LIABILITY WILL BE LIMITED TO THE MAXIMUM EXTENT PERMITTED BY LAW.<br><br>14.2 YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT YOUR USE OF THE SERVICES IS AT YOUR SOLE RISK AND THAT THE SERVICES ARE PROVIDED "AS IS" AND &#147;AS AVAILABLE.&#148;<br><br>14.3 IN PARTICULAR, GOOGLE, ITS SUBSIDIARIES AND AFFILIATES, AND ITS LICENSORS DO NOT REPRESENT OR WARRANT TO YOU THAT:<br><br>(A) YOUR USE OF THE SERVICES WILL MEET YOUR REQUIREMENTS,<br><br>(B) YOUR USE OF THE SERVICES WILL BE UNINTERRUPTED, TIMELY, SECURE OR FREE FROM ERROR,<br><br>(C) ANY INFORMATION OBTAINED BY YOU AS A RESULT OF YOUR USE OF THE SERVICES WILL BE ACCURATE OR RELIABLE, AND<br><br>(D) THAT DEFECTS IN THE OPERATION OR FUNCTIONALITY OF ANY SOFTWARE PROVIDED TO YOU AS PART OF THE SERVICES WILL BE CORRECTED.<br><br>14.4 ANY MATERIAL DOWNLOADED OR OTHERWISE OBTAINED THROUGH THE USE OF THE SERVICES IS DONE AT YOUR OWN DISCRETION AND RISK AND THAT YOU WILL BE SOLELY RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY DAMAGE TO YOUR COMPUTER SYSTEM OR OTHER DEVICE OR LOSS OF DATA THAT RESULTS FROM THE DOWNLOAD OF ANY SUCH MATERIAL.<br><br>14.5 NO ADVICE OR INFORMATION, WHETHER ORAL OR WRITTEN, OBTAINED BY YOU FROM GOOGLE OR THROUGH OR FROM THE SERVICES SHALL CREATE ANY WARRANTY NOT EXPRESSLY STATED IN THE TERMS.<br><br>14.6 GOOGLE FURTHER EXPRESSLY DISCLAIMS ALL WARRANTIES AND CONDITIONS OF ANY KIND, WHETHER EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE IMPLIED WARRANTIES AND CONDITIONS OF MERCHANTABILITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE AND NON-INFRINGEMENT.<br><br>15. LIMITATION OF LIABILITY<br><br>15.1 SUBJECT TO OVERALL PROVISION IN PARAGRAPH 14.1 ABOVE, YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT GOOGLE, ITS SUBSIDIARIES AND AFFILIATES, AND ITS LICENSORS SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR:<br><br>(A) ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES WHICH MAY BE INCURRED BY YOU, HOWEVER CAUSED AND UNDER ANY THEORY OF LIABILITY.. THIS SHALL INCLUDE, BUT NOT BE LIMITED TO, ANY LOSS OF PROFIT (WHETHER INCURRED DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY), ANY LOSS OF GOODWILL OR BUSINESS REPUTATION, ANY LOSS OF DATA SUFFERED, COST OF PROCUREMENT OF SUBSTITUTE GOODS OR SERVICES, OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSS;<br><br>(B) ANY LOSS OR DAMAGE WHICH MAY BE INCURRED BY YOU, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO LOSS OR DAMAGE AS A RESULT OF:<br><br>(I) ANY RELIANCE PLACED BY YOU ON THE COMPLETENESS, ACCURACY OR EXISTENCE OF ANY ADVERTISING, OR AS A RESULT OF ANY RELATIONSHIP OR TRANSACTION BETWEEN YOU AND ANY ADVERTISER OR SPONSOR WHOSE ADVERTISING APPEARS ON THE SERVICES;<br><br>(II) ANY CHANGES WHICH GOOGLE MAY MAKE TO THE SERVICES, OR FOR ANY PERMANENT OR TEMPORARY CESSATION IN THE PROVISION OF THE SERVICES (OR ANY FEATURES WITHIN THE SERVICES);<br><br>(III) THE DELETION OF, CORRUPTION OF, OR FAILURE TO STORE, ANY CONTENT AND OTHER COMMUNICATIONS DATA MAINTAINED OR TRANSMITTED BY OR THROUGH YOUR USE OF THE SERVICES;<br><br>(III) YOUR FAILURE TO PROVIDE GOOGLE WITH ACCURATE ACCOUNT INFORMATION;<br><br>(IV) YOUR FAILURE TO KEEP YOUR PASSWORD OR ACCOUNT DETAILS SECURE AND CONFIDENTIAL;<br><br>15.2 THE LIMITATIONS ON GOOGLE&#146;S LIABILITY TO YOU IN PARAGRAPH 15.1 ABOVE SHALL APPLY WHETHER OR NOT GOOGLE HAS BEEN ADVISED OF OR SHOULD HAVE BEEN AWARE OF THE POSSIBILITY OF ANY SUCH LOSSES ARISING.<br><br>16. Copyright and trade mark policies<br><br>16.1 It is Google&#146;s policy to respond to notices of alleged copyright infringement that comply with applicable international intellectual property law (including, in the United States, the Digital Millennium Copyright Act) and to terminating the accounts of repeat infringers. Details of Google&#146;s policy can be found at &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.google.com/dmca.html" >www.google.com/dmca.html</A>.<br><br>16.2 Google operates a trade mark complaints procedure in respect of Google&#146;s advertising business, details of which can be found at &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.google.com/tm_complaint.html" >www.google.com/tm_complaint.html</A>.<br><br>17. Advertisements<br><br>17.1 Some of the Services are supported by advertising revenue and may display advertisements and promotions. These advertisements may be targeted to the content of information stored on the Services, queries made through the Services or other information.<br><br>17.2 The manner, mode and extent of advertising by Google on the Services are subject to change without specific notice to you.<br><br>17.3 In consideration for Google granting you access to and use of the Services, you agree that Google may place such advertising on the Services.<br><br>18. Other content<br><br>18.1 The Services may include hyperlinks to other web sites or content or resources. Google may have no control over any web sites or resources which are provided by companies or persons other than Google.<br><br>18.2 You acknowledge and agree that Google is not responsible for the availability of any such external sites or resources, and does not endorse any advertising, products or other materials on or available from such web sites or resources.<br><br>18.3 You acknowledge and agree that Google is not liable for any loss or damage which may be incurred by you as a result of the availability of those external sites or resources, or as a result of any reliance placed by you on the completeness, accuracy or existence of any advertising, products or other materials on, or available from, such web sites or resources.<br><br>19. Changes to the Terms<br><br>19.1 Google may make changes to the Universal Terms or Additional Terms from time to time. When these changes are made, Google will make a new copy of the Universal Terms available at &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.google.com/accounts/TOS?hl=en" >www.google.com/accounts/TOS?hl=en</A> and any new Additional Terms will be made available to you from within, or through, the affected Services.<br><br>19.2 You understand and agree that if you use the Services after the date on which the Universal Terms or Additional Terms have changed, Google will treat your use as acceptance of the updated Universal Terms or Additional Terms.<br><br>20. General legal terms<br><br>20.1 Sometimes when you use the Services, you may (as a result of, or through your use of the Services) use a service or download a piece of software, or purchase goods, which are provided by another person or company. Your use of these other services, software or goods may be subject to separate terms between you and the company or person concerned. If so, the Terms do not affect your legal relationship with these other companies or individuals.<br><br>20.2 The Terms constitute the whole legal agreement between you and Google and govern your use of the Services (but excluding any services which Google may provide to you under a separate written agreement), and completely replace any prior agreements between you and Google in relation to the Services.<br><br>20.3 You agree that Google may provide you with notices, including those regarding changes to the Terms, by email, regular mail, or postings on the Services.<br><br>20.4 You agree that if Google does not exercise or enforce any legal right or remedy which is contained in the Terms (or which Google has the benefit of under any applicable law), this will not be taken to be a formal waiver of Google&#146;s rights and that those rights or remedies will still be available to Google.<br><br>20.5 If any court of law, having the jurisdiction to decide on this matter, rules that any provision of these Terms is invalid, then that provision will be removed from the Terms without affecting the rest of the Terms. The remaining provisions of the Terms will continue to be valid and enforceable.<br><br>20.6 You acknowledge and agree that each member of the group of companies of which Google is the parent shall be third party beneficiaries to the Terms and that such other companies shall be entitled to directly enforce, and rely upon, any provision of the Terms which confers a benefit on (or rights in favor of) them. Other than this, no other person or company shall be third party beneficiaries to the Terms.<br><br>20.7 The Terms, and your relationship with Google under the Terms, shall be governed by the laws of the State of California without regard to its conflict of laws provisions. You and Google agree to submit to the exclusive jurisdiction of the courts located within the county of Santa Clara, California to resolve any legal matter arising from the Terms. Notwithstanding this, you agree that Google shall still be allowed to apply for injunctive remedies (or an equivalent type of urgent legal relief) in any jurisdiction.<br><br>August 15, 2008]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1376598"><b>swhx7</b></A> : Undoubtedly it is designed for data collection by Google. Like other Google products, it will appeal to users with handy features - including built-in support for Google applications. A whole suite of software will be available online thru the Google browser.<br><br>It will have good security against 3rd-party hacks, but none against Google. Millions won't mind that, and they will take it up just like they have done with the Google Toolbar.<br><br>Those who prefer not to be data-mined will have to avoid the new browser. The fact that it's going to be "open source" won't necessarily help with privacy: (a) "open source" doesn't mean it will have a liberal licence like OSI-approved applications (b) even if it can be modified to turn off some of the data-mining, any use of the Google services will involve users giving plenty of data to Google (c) Google could make its services not work right with modified versions (d) the tie-ins with Google online services (search, mail, photo-sharing, office apps) will be the main selling point, so opt-out people will still prefer Firefox.<br><br>This makes the interesting question whether the services will still work with non-Google browsers.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/819609"><b>Grail Knight</b></A> : One more browser to enter the fray is good for the user allowing more choices if the browser they are using now does not live up to their expectations. <br><small>--<br>"Lego Succurro Lima"</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/634007"><b>SUMware</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  hpguru <A HREF="/useremail/u/615773"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  Mele20 <A HREF="/useremail/u/403861"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Google's new browser Chrome will be available tomorrow as a beta download for Windows users.  Google "has made the move to create and distribute a browser over worry about what new features in IE8 could do to its search business.<br><br>That includes privacy changes that could prevent it from collecting information related to the effectiveness of its adds,... </div>Oh my! We wouldn't want to do that now would we?  :D<br><br>Interesting they don't have the same concern about Firefox. :p<br> </div>From <A HREF="http://www.builderau.com.au/news/soa/Chrome-was-inevitable-Mozilla-CEO/0,339028227,339291742,00.htm">BuilderAU</a><br>2008/09/02 - <blockquote><small>quote:</small><hr>Mozilla CEO John Lilly today waxed philosophical about the release of Google's new Web browser, Chrome, despite it signalling an attempt by the search giant (Mozilla's major financier) to become its biggest competitor.<br><br>Chrome, Lilly says, was inevitable.<br><br>"It should come as no real surprise that Google has done something here: their business is the Web, and they've got clear opinions on how things should be," Lilly <A HREF="http://john.jubjubs.net/2008/09/01/thoughts-on-chrome-more/">wrote in his blog</a> today. "Chrome will be a browser optimised for the things that they see as important."<br><br>Mozilla and Google have had a long and very fruitful relationship. Google is the default search engine on the Mozilla Firefox browser, and pays Mozilla large sums for the privilege: US$56 million of the US$66 million Mozilla Corporation made in 2006.<br><br>But Mozilla CEO John Lilly, writing in his blog, said he welcomed the competition posed by Google. Lilly said Mozilla would continue its financial relationship with Google until 2011 and would continue to work with the search giant on technical collaborations such as crash reports system Breakpad.<br><br>Paul Kim, vice president of marketing for Mozilla, said that Google staff would be allowed to continue to contribute to the Mozilla Foundation's projects. "As a 100 per cent open source project, we welcome contributions to Firefox from everyone," he said.<br><br>"More smart people thinking about ways to make the Web good for normal human beings is good, absolutely," Lilly said.<hr></blockquote>]]></description>
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<title>Re: Chrome Browser (Google) combats IE8&#x27;s Privacy Tools</title>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/634007"><b>SUMware</b></A> : More details from <A HREF="http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080901-google-opens-up-new-front-in-browser-wars-with-chrome.html">Ars Technica</a><br>September 01, 2008 -    <blockquote><small>quote:</small><hr>The browser is built on top of Apple's WebKit HTML rendering engine, a lightweight renderer that is known for its clean code base, good performance, and excellent standards-compliance. WebKit's versatility and the ease with which it can be embedded in applications has led to its adoption in numerous contexts, including Google's Android web browser. Alongside WebKit, Google will be using its own JavaScript virtual machine called V8, which was designed for high performance and has some compelling features.<br><br>One of the most impressive technical innovations that Google has brought to Chrome is a multiprocess design. Each individual browser tab runs within its own isolated process, much like the way that processes work in an operating system. This will massively increase the robustness of the browser by insulating the application from bugs that cause crashes within individual tabs. The tab will go down, but the rest of the browser will remain unaffected. The multiprocess design also reduces the impact of memory fragmentation by ensuring that the memory used by a tab can be reclaimed completely when the tab is closed.<br><br>Another unique advantage of the multiprocess design is that it will allow users to see the distribution of memory between the various tabs and plug-ins used by the browser. Users will be able to use Chrome's built-in process manager to see how much memory is being used by each individual tab so that they can properly identify the real culprit when the browser begins to hog resources. Google has a few other strategies for reducing memory consumption too, like extremely aggressive and heavily-optimized garbage collection.<br><br>Security is also clearly an area where Google plans to push forward web innovation. Chrome has a sophisticated sandboxing system that is designed to protect against malware by restricting access to the underlying system functionality. Google will also be leveraging its malware blacklists (the same ones it uses to protect users from clicking through harmful search results) to warn users when they attempt to visit a site that is known to be infected.<br><br>There are many other nice features in Chrome too, including a rich autocompletion, tightly integrated Google Gears, a site-specific browser framework like Prism, and a private browsing function called Incognito that resembles Microsoft's recently announced InPrivate functionality.<br><br>Google says that an early test version for Windows will be released tomorrow, and support for Linux and Mac OS X will arrive in future releases.<hr></blockquote><br><br>-<br><br>More details from <A HREF="http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/software/soa/Google-plans-Chrome-browser/0,130061733,339291732,00.htm">ZDNet</a><br>02 September 2008 -   <blockquote><small>quote:</small><hr><b>Stability</b><br>Each browser tab will run in its own process. These processes will be completely isolated from each other, will be killable from the operating system's process manager, and will be sandboxed to prevent them from accessing information on the user's computer.<br><br><b>Speed</b><br>The browser is being written with WebKit, the open source engine at the core of Apple's Safari and Google's Android. The browser is also getting a new Javascript virtual machine, V8. It's said to be a better solution for complex and rich Web applications: it should yield better performance as well as "smoother drag and drops" in interactive applications.<br><br><b>Search and user experience</b><br>In Chrome, browser tabs will take over the interface, becoming the primary navigational element. Each tab will get its own window controls. Users will be able to tear off tabs into standalone windows.<br><br><b>Security</b><br>Chrome's architecture lends itself to secure browsing. Each Web page, or tab, runs in its own process, and is blocked from accessing other processes on the computer. "We've taking the existing process boundary," the comic says, "and made it into a jail." Different and more flexible permissions are being developed for plug-ins, however.<br><br>A database and API to access phishing and scam sites will be used in Chrome (and made public), which will hopefully reduce "zero-day" scam exploits. The browser will be constantly updated with this information.<br><br><b>Standards</b><br>The browser will be released as an open source project. Also, Google will build the open source local runtime Gears into the browser, and is hoping that it is taking up widely to "improve the base functionality of all browsers."<hr></blockquote><br><br>Chrome Browser screenshots <A HREF="http://blogoscoped.com/archive/2008-09-02-n72.html">here</a>.]]></description>
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<title>Re: Chrome Browser (Google) combats IE8&#x27;s Privacy Tools</title>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/615773"><b>hpguru</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Mele20 <A HREF="/useremail/u/403861"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Google's new browser Chrome will be available tomorrow as a beta download for Windows users.  Google "has made the move to create and distribute a browser over worry about what new features in IE8 could do to its search business.<br><br>That includes privacy changes that could prevent it from collecting information related to the effectiveness of its adds,... </div>Oh my! We wouldn't want to do that now would we?  :D<br><br>Interesting they don't have the same concern about Firefox. :p<br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://www.youtube.com/GIIVideo">God is imaginary.</a><br><i><A HREF="http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/phx/167335230.html">Top Ten Signs You're a Fundamentalist Christian</a></i><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.talk2action.org/" >www.talk2action.org/</A><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.fstdt.com/" >www.fstdt.com/</A></small>]]></description>
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<title>Chrome Browser (Google) combats IE8&#x27;s Privacy Tools</title>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/403861"><b>Mele20</b></A> : Google's new browser Chrome will be available tomorrow as a beta download for Windows users.  Google "has made the move to create and distribute a browser over worry about what new features in IE8 could do to its search business.<br><br>That includes privacy changes that could prevent it from collecting information related to the effectiveness of its adds, quick-linking to Microsoft mapping and other offerings and a more robust search bar that is also more Microsoft-centric."<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://kara.allthingsd.com/20080901/google-ignites-a-new-browser-war-with-microsoft-by-unveiling-one-of-its-own/" >kara.allthingsd.com/20080901/goo&middot;&middot;&middot;its-own/</A><br><br>"On the surface, we designed a browser window that is streamlined and simple. To most people, it isn't the browser that matters. It's only a tool to run the important stuff -- the pages, sites and applications that make up the web. Like the classic Google homepage, Google Chrome is clean and fast. It gets out of your way and gets you where you want to go.<br><br>Under the hood, we were able to build the foundation of a browser that runs today's complex web applications much better. By keeping each tab in an isolated "sandbox", we were able to prevent one tab from crashing another and provide improved protection from rogue sites. We improved speed and responsiveness across the board. We also built a more powerful JavaScript engine, V8, to power the next generation of web applications that aren't even possible in today's browsers."<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2008/09/fresh-take-on-browser.html" >googleblog.blogspot.com/2008/09/&middot;&middot;&middot;ser.html</A><br><small>--<br>"The same ferocity that our founders devoted to protect the freedom and independence of the press is now appropriate for our defense of the freedom of the internet. The stakes are the same: the survival of our Republic". Al Gore, The Assault on Reason</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 21:14:17 EDT</pubDate>
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