jc100
join:2002-04-10 | reply to TomClancy
Re: Wouldn't Know
Well Tom,
You're a brave man. If someone offered you an UNTESTED car, you'd really accept. Hell, I know who to call when I want a crash test dummy!! Your career future is looking bright as a dare devil. |
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I wouldn't care if the car was a beta or not if GM offered cars for free I would take and test it but unfortunately they don't unlike Google Chrome which is FREE!
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jc100
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That's the thing, automated. Then they handed it over as a beta to the public. As I said to boot, if I owned Google and I wanted to make a splash, I'd go well ABOVE the automated and have staff test it out for a bit and write down problems. The better you make it before launch (beta or otherwise) the more it shows in your favor. First impressions count and they are the thing that win people over IMMEDIATELY. How many times in life have you gone to a place, had a bad feeling, and LEFT. Everyone has done that. People see this NEW search engine being riddled with problems, and they figure why not stick to time tested ones. Firefox is a great browser, and IT ONLY has 20 percent share of the market. Hence, for Google to win people over, I'd say they'd been better making this beta more of an "experience" than simply find our problems for us type deal via open source community. |
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jc100
join:2002-04-10
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it was KINDA an example only KINDA with the cars. I wasn't stretching just saying that in business, one should always try to show their best side. The better the first impression (beta or not) the more people you win over instantly. First impressions count for everything in life, whether or not we like to admit to it. |
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utahluge
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Google has right in their promo that they can only test so much automatically. The did as much automated testing as they could to the browser but they couldn't automate something like the hallmark.com login. That is where the beta comes in. Did you forget to read about it before trying it? |
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booticon
join:2007-07-31
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1 edit | reply to jc100
Well, that's kinda why Google doesn't build cars. You're kinda stretching it, don't you think? |
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jc100
join:2002-04-10
1 edit | reply to booticon
Well, I know it is open source, which allows one to customize it. Still, should one be left REDOING everything do to numerous bugs and flaws? Open source is a great concept and builds community around a program. Still, open source shouldn't be used as a ploy to skipping out on the job. I still think companies need to do more to show their best foot forward when showcasing stuff. I mean, would you want GM to beta a new car that looks good, but the breaks don't always work or it fails to start randomly? Then, GM puts this car to market, telling the consumers you need to check these and other bugs. Have fun? The same goes here, even if its just for show, you want it to be the best show ever. Google and companies can do more to help make their new software less buggy and more of an experience. Once again, my view. |
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booticon
join:2007-07-31
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I see your point, however this is where your argument falls flat: Google Chrome is open source software. I understand that's not an excuse for "bad software", but the wonderful thing about that is if you'd like, you can create your own version of Chrome using their code, and there's things like bug reports: »code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/list
I agree that Chrome has a way to go before it becomes my main browser of choice (mainly extension functionality), but for first hearing about it this past weekend, it's not looking bad so far. |
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jc100
join:2002-04-10
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Well I know its a beta, but still. Wouldn't YOU WANT your best foot forward when launching something new to the public? I would, beta or not. I've never understood why companies fail to optimize their products, so Betas serve more as a proving ground than as a let's go back to the drawing board stage. It'd be much nicer for a company to say, HEY this product WORKED pretty well as we thoroughly tested it. Here you try and see, but you probably won't encounter too many issues. We've already done most of the leg work. Unfortunately, these days, companies tend to rush half finished add unproven products out. I guess its a lot cheaper to have the public beta testers tell you the flaws, than pay the coders to trial the things out themselves. Economics I guess. I'm just pointing out my view none the less.
P.S. Betas are good for UI suggestions, I agree. However, I still don't agree about them being the basis for one having to fix 10,000 various flaws. I think companies should do that work prior to release and give their best foot forward as I stated. |
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booticon
join:2007-07-31
East Lyme, CT | reply to jc100
Yeah, because this isn't like, a beta release or anything. |
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TKJunkMail
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said by Matt  :said by TKJunkMail :I did finally run across one I can document. Signing in to my Hallmark.com account. It just locks up after providing sign in data and hitting submit. But that works fine in FF & IE. I also found a description online of someone else with this problem. » expertlancer.com/google-chrome-m···essions/ Weird. I just signed in fine. The sign in didn't pop up in a window though? I also don't have the problems with Facebook the author mentions? I wonder if there are a couple different builds of Chrome floating around out there? I'm running 0.2.149.27. I just solved this problem.
1st - I have the same release of Chrome you do.
2nd - I had chosen the option in Chrome to restrict how 3rd party cookies can be used. When I changed that to "Accept ALL cookies", it all worked OK.
But I do like to restrict 3rd party cookies. So I still consider this a bug because I restrict 3rd party cookies in IE and FF and it worked OK there.
I'll have to submit the bug report to Google again with comments on the 3rd party cookie involvement.
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jc100
join:2002-04-10 | reply to Matt
I havent tested Chrome, so I can't speak from experience. However, one would think a deep pocket company like Google would thoroughly test this out before releasing it. Maybe they are Microsoft Junior int he Making. |
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Hallmark.com Sign In |
said by TKJunkMail :I did finally run across one I can document. Signing in to my Hallmark.com account. It just locks up after providing sign in data and hitting submit. But that works fine in FF & IE. I also found a description online of someone else with this problem. » expertlancer.com/google-chrome-m···essions/ Weird. I just signed in fine. The sign in didn't pop up in a window though? I also don't have the problems with Facebook the author mentions?
I wonder if there are a couple different builds of Chrome floating around out there? I'm running 0.2.149.27.
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said by Matt :said by TKJunkMail :said by Matt :On what sites is JS wonky for you? I do a LOT with JS and I haven't had any issues. I can't give you instances now. But when I tested out Chrome yesterday, the problems cropped up in the interaction between Flash player and a script. The Flash player wouldn't start automatically and even when clicking on the flash frame, it wouldn't respond. But that page worked OK in FF. I don't have the page, because when I close my browsers I wipe out history , cache, etc. I gotcha. I had weird problems with Flash too. It's like the flash plugin had to initialize to work properly. The first flash page I tried to view was all screwy. Things were misplaced and broken into sections. I closed Chrome and re-opened it and flash worked properly and has ever since. I did finally run across one I can document.
Signing in to my Hallmark.com account. It just locks up after providing sign in data and hitting submit. But that works fine in FF & IE.
I also found a description online of someone else with this problem. »expertlancer.com/google-chrome-m···essions/
P.S.> I sent off the bug report to Google development team for the hallmark.com problem.
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said by TKJunkMail :said by Matt :On what sites is JS wonky for you? I do a LOT with JS and I haven't had any issues. I can't give you instances now. But when I tested out Chrome yesterday, the problems cropped up in the interaction between Flash player and a script. The Flash player wouldn't start automatically and even when clicking on the flash frame, it wouldn't respond. But that page worked OK in FF. I don't have the page, because when I close my browsers I wipe out history , cache, etc. I gotcha. I had weird problems with Flash too. It's like the flash plugin had to initialize to work properly. The first flash page I tried to view was all screwy. Things were misplaced and broken into sections. I closed Chrome and re-opened it and flash worked properly and has ever since.
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said by Matt :On what sites is JS wonky for you? I do a LOT with JS and I haven't had any issues. I can't give you instances now. But when I tested out Chrome yesterday, the problems cropped up in the interaction between Flash player and a script. The Flash player wouldn't start automatically and even when clicking on the flash frame, it wouldn't respond. But that page worked OK in FF. I don't have the page, because when I close my browsers I wipe out history , cache, etc.
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bubi73
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said by TKJunkMail :said by Derspankster :There's no Linux version yet. Or OS X either No ad blocking capability is a no starter for me. I have ads blocked in FF and IE7. Also the javascript engine, while VERY fast is having problems on some sites. And the scroll bar when using the touchpad on my laptop won't scroll up. But the wireless USB mouse works fine. They have 6 months of development to do yet before I would even consider using it on a regular basis. I guess it's time to break out the old Proxomitron! |
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Hey Tk, you're not alone on the mouse problem - although my T60 isn't affected - Google is aware of it. There's a lengthy post in the Google Groups about it.
The no ad blocking is an annoyance, but not really that big of a deal for me. I don't visit sites that have annoying ads and I'd like the site owners where I visit to earn a buck. I can see how some people would hate it though so I'm sure a plugin will come along soon.
On what sites is JS wonky for you? I do a LOT with JS and I haven't had any issues.
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said by Derspankster :There's no Linux version yet. Or OS X either
No ad blocking capability is a no starter for me. I have ads blocked in FF and IE7.
Also the javascript engine, while VERY fast is having problems on some sites.
And the scroll bar when using the touchpad on my laptop won't scroll up. But the wireless USB mouse works fine.
They have 6 months of development to do yet before I would even consider using it on a regular basis. |
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