DaMaGeINC
The Lan Man
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join:2002-06-08
Greenville, SC
clubs: | reply to iansltx
Re: Cap Solution
Plus, Business use it still over priced and hard to afford for many business's. |
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hottboiinnc
ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH | it maybe but a business should NOT be using a Residential connection period. If they conduct professional business they should have to pay for that. |
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viperlmw
Premium
join:2005-01-25
 ·Qwest.net
| said by hottboiinnc  :it maybe but a business should NOT be using a Residential connection period. If they conduct professional business they should have to pay for that. Holly crap! This is twice I have agreed with the poster from the Buckeye State! |
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EPS
join:2008-02-13
Hingham, MA
| reply to hottboiinnc
said by hottboiinnc :it maybe but a business should NOT be using a Residential connection period. If they conduct professional business they should have to pay for that. Why? If they're willing to accept the lower reliability of a "residential" connection and the other caveats (dynamic IP, possibly ports blocked), why should it matter if they're conducting "business"? I mean, in the end it's not like business class cable customers get a special cable network all to themselves- they're on the same node. |
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axus
join:2001-06-18
Washington, DC
·Verizon Online DSL
| reply to hottboiinnc
No, nobody should have to pay for anything they don't want to. What SHOULD happen is that competitors offer a better product for less money, if what is there costs too much.
Businesses for reliability, home cable and DSL are not always very reliable... you are lucky if you never see problems. But for some businesses, they don't depend 100% on the internet so it's OK if its unreliable, then they can buy the cheaper stuff.
How would you like it if Comcast said "I won't sell you home service, you have to buy business, and it's 10 times the price." You would tell them where they could go. |
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Mr Matt
join:2008-01-29
Eustis, FL
 ·Comcast
·Embarq
|  reply to hottboiinnc
 Are you saying that if I call my office from my home telephone for business purposes I should pay business rates for my home telephone line? Normally a telephone line is classified as a business line if it is advertised in a business listing. I would think if a customer requests a fixed IP Address and uses it to host a website that would be called business use. |
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hottboiinnc
ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
·Time Warner Cable
·buckeye cable
| reply to EPS
biz class customers do get something Res. doesnt. they get QOS on the cable network. And why? because you're conducting business. If you're a business or making profit off your internet connection you should have to pay for a business class connection you shouldnt get special treatment-just because you're willing to accept anything at a lower service level. But all of you that would accept it just for the price would be on here as soon as their was a problem bitching about how you hate the service and it doesnt work for your business...blah blah blah. |
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fiberguy
My views are my own.
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join:2005-05-20
| reply to DaMaGeINC
said by DaMaGeINC :Plus, Business use it still over priced and hard to afford for many business's. I don't think you've placed much effort into pricing out business service then. Seriously.. have you even tried? Business class DSL from qwest is just slightly higher than residential DSL. Same with AT&T, same with Verizon... hell, Time Warner and Comcast both start at $99 a month and you get a much faster speed too.
So, you care to try your statement again? If a business can't afford $99 a month for service, then there are some SERIOUS issues in their business. |
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EPS
join:2008-02-13
Hingham, MA
| reply to hottboiinnc
Complain all you want, you're the one who bought the service...
I know someone who runs his engineering business off of a "residential" dial-up account (and only has one phone line at that, which really boggles the mind)- some businesses don't need the benefits of a business class connection. |
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fiberguy
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Premium
join:2005-05-20
| reply to Mr Matt
said by Mr Matt :Normally a telephone line is classified as a business line if it is advertised in a business listing. Noo... business lines are classified as such if you conduct "business use" over those lines.. yes, you can't list a residential line in a business directory in the incumbent directory.. but it's classified, actually, on two things, largely.. 1) the dwelling - commercial zoned areas will get you a commercial line. 2) Business "use" is considered a business line. If a phone company finds that you actually run a business off a residential line, they have the right to terminate your service or change you to commercial.
I would think if a customer requests a fixed IP Address and uses it to host a website that would be called business use. Is that becuase all websites are business in nature?  |
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supergirl
join:2007-03-20
Pensacola, FL
 ·Cox VOIP
·Skype
·Cox HSI
·AT&T Southeast
·magicjack.com
| reply to viperlmw
said by viperlmw :said by hottboiinnc :it maybe but a business should NOT be using a Residential connection period. If they conduct professional business they should have to pay for that. Holly crap! This is twice I have agreed with the poster from the Buckeye State! Well, at least you weren't agreeing with someone from the great outhouse state--Alabama. 
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DaMaGeINC
The Lan Man
Premium
join:2002-06-08
Greenville, SC
clubs:
·Charter Pipeline
·AT&T Southeast
| reply to fiberguy
DSL??? Are you serious??? What kind of business is going to use DSL to connect its users? If its a 1 or 2 computer mom and pop store, maby.
I remember when I needed buisness class service. I called charter and was quoted over $300/month. But that was years ago, and im sure prices have changed.
So when I talk about buisness class service, Im talking T1+. Metro Ethernet, Fiber and stuff like that. Not crappy DSL ok. |
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fiberguy
My views are my own.
Premium
join:2005-05-20
| said by DaMaGeINC :DSL??? Are you serious??? What kind of business is going to use DSL to connect its users? If its a 1 or 2 computer mom and pop store, maby. I remember when I needed buisness class service. I called charter and was quoted over $300/month. But that was years ago, and im sure prices have changed. So when I talk about buisness class service, Im talking T1+. Metro Ethernet, Fiber and stuff like that. Not crappy DSL ok. It's hard to talk to someone who is all over the place with the topic AND may be 'thinking' about what you're saying, but doesn't.
And yea.. DSL is crappy .... DSL, when installed correctly, is not "crappy"... I'll be back in a few, I need to put my boots on to have any kind of conversation at BBR anymore these days.
And, so you know, more businesses are dropping T1 lines for "crappy DSL" for the speeds these days due to price. Its clear you do not know what you're doing or talking about. T1s have their place, but they're now often more in out-of-reach areas, mission critical, or other very large organizations. You'd be surprised where you can walk in these days and find a "crappy DSL" service "connecting their employees"... if it's just a connection, you will find large businesses using DSL services
You can define "business class service" as you'd like, but for me, I'll stick with the real definition which does include services like DSL and cable modem service, ok, and I won't use the DaMaDeINC to English dictionary. |
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magusat999
join:2005-07-08
Oakland, CA
| reply to hottboiinnc
Actually - why should a business get the promise of reliability or speed over residential? Its like saying residential customers are worthy of table scraps. There should be no distinction - THATS how it SHOULD BE. We should all expect dedicated, uninterrupted, reliable and unlimited or very generous amount of bandwidth. We don't know what Quest's limits are, but Comcast figured 250gb - which is right at the edge of it's heaviest users (they really should have given at least 500gb - but then nobody would get into trouble...).
Furthermore, it isn't, and shouldn't be an ISP's business whether you are doing business with the connection. Their job is to give you access to the internet, not mother or "Big Brother" you. The very fact that they are trying to capitalize off of business users is a testament to their greed and willingness to invade people's privacy for profit. How can you conduct business in safety with this ISP policing and checking in on your every transaction? That's ludicrous! They should'nt even know whether you are a business or not - that's between you, the Government and your customers. |
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hottboiinnc
ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
·Time Warner Cable
·buckeye cable
| reply to EPS
they may not need a business class connection but they should not be allowed to run a business off a residential line.
How would you feel if you were the ISP and someone had your Internet service installed in their office of 40 people? Hell they could have several modems from you. Instead of paying the higher price business plan like they should since their using it to make money they in return use residential and pay ~30%+ less.
But then turn around and uses over 250 gigs of bandwidth per month? you'd have to eat the cost of that. You wouldn't like it. Comcast doesn't, TWC, RR, Bright House, Qwest and others. |
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