NDP Charlie Anugus on the net issues in TekSavvy http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r21055795 en Wed, 11 Nov 2009 04:43:38 EDT Wed, 11 Nov 2009 04:43:38 EDT Re: NDP Charlie Anugus on the net issues http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21068099 tertech :
said by Bell_Abused See Profile :

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Not sure how money came into this....Can't say I ever gave money to a political party before. That would be a first.

Can't say I ever gave money to a politician not in my riding/Prov before either. That would be a 2nd first.

Can't say I've ever been appraoched to donate money to a political party before either....

Don't think 1000$ would like to part my hands to be honest. That's money out of my Caribbean trip this coming Feb.

But hey if you have some change to spare, feel free and be proud knowing what you did and flaunt it. Its not a bad thing.

But you're right... money talks. Gives one something to think about.
I also have not been very politically active before. Our recent little "Net Neutrality Rally" made me realize how apathetic we all really are. Frankly, I was disgusted at the low turn-out. I anticipated a crowd overflowing the Parliament lawn right out onto Wellington St. We're quick to rant on our keyboards about social injustice; but when called upon to actually get off the chair and do something, we shirk. To be honest, were it not for the fact that I live in Ottawa, I'm not sure if I would have bothered to attend the rally. As it turned out, it cost me a vacation day off work and about $20 in gas, parking, and snacks (no, not Timmys!). Wow, what a sacrifice! Now I can go back to just typing my indignation - confident that I did my part?

Well, if I took away anything positive from that experience it was discovering that there was at least one person inside that building who vaguely understood the issue we were there to support; that was Charlie Angus. Unfortunately, I do not generally share his party's view of the socialist worker's utopia, as I also do not share the ultra-conservative "geschaft uber alles" attitude. The German word for "business" is "geschaft"; how appropriate :D. Too bad voting wasn't more like ordering pizza in that you get to choose what crust and toppings you prefer; as it is, you're forced to take the party's combo platter; the pineapples with the anchovies.

Where am I going with this? Oh yeah, money! Since we can't rally enough people to show up to barely impress the government in power, what else can we do?

- We can punish the businesses that we feel are not playing fair by refusing to buy their products and encourage our friends and family to do the same.

- We can support any politician who shares our view, beyond just voting for them. You can be a volunteer in their riding office, or donate funds to their campaign. It doesn't have to be the limit allowed by law; that might attract an RCMP investigation. $50/$100/$200 whatever you can spare. You can do it with a credit card on a web site. For Mr. Angus...

»https://secure.ndp.ca/riding/index.php?r···nguage=e

Debating political philosophy on the internet isn't going to do squat to change anything! If you think the NDP is the solution, or just that having Mr Angus in the parliament is a good think, then put-up or shut-up.

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21068099 Sat, 06 Sep 2008 12:52:12 EDT Re: NDP Charlie Anugus on the net issues http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21067326 Bell_Abused : lol, yup nothing like lawn signs... :p

Mlppp is not a plug and play thing... looks at the problems Ebox/acanac have. Planning, implementation, techs/owners times, trial and errors, bugs, revamp, test accounts given out to test, find their bugs and so forth. Same would be true with teksavvy. Easy write off that i see, and a valid write-off. But R&D tax credits aside...

Not sure how money came into this....Can't say I ever gave money to a political party before. That would be a first.

Can't say I ever gave money to a politician not in my riding/Prov before either. That would be a 2nd first.

Can't say I've ever been appraoched to donate money to a political party before either....

Don't think 1000$ would like to part my hands to be honest. That's money out of my Caribbean trip this coming Feb.

But hey if you have some change to spare, feel free and be proud knowing what you did and flaunt it. Its not a bad thing.

But you're right... money talks. Gives one something to think about.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21067326 Sat, 06 Sep 2008 09:25:39 EDT Re: NDP Charlie Anugus on the net issues http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21065476 tertech :
said by Bell_Abused See Profile :

1. I agree. No one in this past year has stuck out like Charlie Angus for rights and fights. He put the CON's and the industry minister in the spot-light as buffons. He just plain rocks (in simple terms).

2. Yes, it is geared to the CANADIAN lay person. Layton (or whatever his name is) was on the news today, and ONE THING stuck out in my mind as a small business owner. He said he will cut all gov support for Canadian companies who out-sourse.

Companies like teksavvy would be able to compete and take advantage of R&D tax credits (mlppp implimentaion would fall under R&D). The likes of Ebox and and Acanac would be able to apply this as R&D.

Bell who out-sources will face consequences.

So basically what you said and ranted about in your two posts are just wrong.

I want to see companies like teksavvy who invest in canadian labour profit from it.

I DON'T want to see companies like bell cutting Canadian jobs and out-surcing to bangledesh profit from it.

Your view is narrow.

I say give them a chance.

What is a year in Canadian politics worth? Rights! Your rights that are being eroded. And Canadians profiting by being Canadian, unlikie the likes of those sending the jobs to instanbul (Bell).

Stick it to them for a year. Nothing to lose.
R&D credits are not so easy to get as they used to be. You have to be able to prove a technical uncertainty in your R&D, not just do what someone else has already done and published.

I don't think the government really has any stick it can wield over large multi-nationals. Cities, provinces/states and federal governments compete with one another to attract businesses ( i.e employers) to their jurisdiction. A government at any level that even appears to pander to unions is not likely to attract these businesses when there are so many other places they can go. Maybe it isn't fair, but that's the way it is.

W.R.T. Mr Angus... Yes, I really think he is doing a great job for us technology geeks and I would like to see him retain his seat even though I would dread the NDP getting too much power.. So here's a challenge... If you'll contribute to his campaign, I'll match it. I think the limit that an individual can contribute is $1000. I'm good right up to that. That could buy a lot of lawn signs :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21065476 Fri, 05 Sep 2008 21:11:12 EDT Re: NDP Charlie Anugus on the net issues http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21060219 oxymoron69 : I agree, the only party that seems to have any interest in listening to us and not just putting big business and the americans first seems to be the NDP.

I'm going to do everything i can to get people to go that route, they're (NDP) our only hope!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21060219 Thu, 04 Sep 2008 23:44:52 EDT Re: NDP Charlie Anugus on the net issues http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21060038 R0CKY : I have to admit the NDP route keep the Conservatives (or Reform as JF points out) in check.... The likelihood of their (NDP) party becoming a majority or taking power seems very unlikely but I'm thinking it might just be the right thing to do these days to ensure a pure balance.... If many who voted blue went NDP and a few of the red going NDP as well, then we'd land up with a stand-off type government. I'm thinking the NDP wouldn't be afraid of folding the government right there and then if the conservatives did something that was outright wrong.

....not a bad perspective JF!
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TSI Rocky - TekSavvy Solutions Inc.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21060038 Thu, 04 Sep 2008 23:10:37 EDT Re: NDP Charlie Anugus on the net issues http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21059703 MIghtyCicero : In the past I voted for the Bloc because I found they did a good job at really opposing (key word) the government and representing the interest of my province and the values of its people. But this election I believe I will vote NDP. Not because I came to dislike the Bloc but for two other reasons.

1) So far I really like the way Charlie Angus is interested in our telecoms situation. He seems very intelligent. I saw him on CPAC talking about the government inability to function and for some reason he didn't come across as a 2-face politician like so many. Also, Jack Layton always came across to me as a good honest guy and I would not be afraid to have him as opposition leader/prime minister. I look at Harper and all I see in his mannerism and the way he talk is hidden agenda and deceits.

2) The NDP when you start looking at their ideas is really interesting. Their policies are really geared toward the people. I believe that includes human-sized corporations too. I think we should not be afraid to listen to them for once and let them have a go at it. Why should we vote liberal or con just because of the perception that only they can govern? Two parties always create corruption. Just look at our neighbours to the south. Diversity and fresh ideas is where it's at!

So I'll watch how the election campaign goes and see if my strong preference toward the NDP this year will confirm itself.

---- SMALL RANT : (I find that even the poor or middle class lift their nose to social policies parties like the NDP fearing that it will impact their income/lifestyle, seemingly believing that THEY are not just "the people" and somehow big business interests are their interests. Liberal, Con/reform have always been big business oriented and people always fell for the hypocrisy of their promises.)
----- END OF RANT]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21059703 Thu, 04 Sep 2008 22:13:57 EDT Re: NDP Charlie Angus on the net issues http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21059480 jfmezei : Voting NDP can be extremely strategic.

If your riding will elect a liberal even if their candidate is a cockroach, voting NDP causes that liberal to win with a lesser margin and thus perhaps work a bit harder to keep the riding.

If voting NDP causes an NDP to win, then the NDP, as a party, will have more power in opposition and if they are lucky, would have blocking votes to prevent a minority government from going rogue.

If you are sure the NDP will not form the next government (which is a given), then voting NDP will ensure the NDP becomes a strong opposition along with the Bloc.

La Presse said that the Liberals are to be decimated in Québec (since they are without a leader).

Canadians east of Thunder Bay have two options: Vote for Reform and give them absolute majority, at which point, Bush/Cheney move up north to implement everything they want. Or vote NDP to deprive Reform of a majority, while having a strong opposition.

The Liberal party has had plenty of time to choose a leader. They have known they are unleectable since they have been supporting Reform all this time to avoid triggering an election.

And because they have supported Reform's plans, they are not a viable opposition and must not be given enough votes to matter. Democracy works when there is a viable opposition.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21059480 Thu, 04 Sep 2008 21:31:43 EDT Re: NDP Charlie Anugus on the net issues http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21059397 k6richar : In my opinion NDP > Liberals > Conservatives.

However last election in my riding i think liberals got around 45% conservatives 35% NDP 15% green around 5%.(All numbers approximate)

If i vote for NDP they will still lose, so i have to vote for Liberals just to keep Conservatives out.

I know it is people like me keeping NDP from gaining ground, but i have posted my reasons. This is why i don't like our current election system.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21059397 Thu, 04 Sep 2008 21:17:31 EDT Re: NDP Charlie Anugus on the net issues http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21059344 Bell_Abused :
said by tertech See Profile :

1. The NDP is great - in opposition. We need folks like Charlie Angus to stand up in Parliament and make Minister Prentice look like the buffoon he is.

2. I would even consider contributing to Mr Angus' campaign. Their platform however is geared to appeal more to the worker, tenant, or consumer than the employer, landlord, or company. Just read their web-site.
Who would have thought a year ago that the TekSavvy forum on DSLr would be the forum of political rife and the forum that a concerned MP would be looking at (and word from a trusted source (k Ottawa gal, i let the beans out) tells me he is looking here).

I just had to say that.... :x (she will slap me later) on to your comments.

1. I agree. No one in this past year has stuck out like Charlie Angus for rights and fights. He put the CON's and the industry minister in the spot-light as buffons. He just plain rocks (in simple terms).

2. Yes, it is geared to the CANADIAN lay person. Layton (or whatever his name is) was on the news today, and ONE THING stuck out in my mind as a small business owner. He said he will cut all gov support for Canadian companies who out-sourse.

Companies like teksavvy would be able to compete and take advantage of R&D tax credits (mlppp implimentaion would fall under R&D). The likes of Ebox and and Acanac would be able to apply this as R&D.

Bell who out-sources will face consequences.

So basically what you said and ranted about in your two posts are just wrong.

I want to see companies like teksavvy who invest in canadian labour profit from it.

I DON'T want to see companies like bell cutting Canadian jobs and out-surcing to bangledesh profit from it.

Your view is narrow.

I say give them a chance.

What is a year in Canadian politics worth? Rights! Your rights that are being eroded. And Canadians profiting by being Canadian, unlikie the likes of those sending the jobs to instanbul (Bell).

Stick it to them for a year. Nothing to lose.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21059344 Thu, 04 Sep 2008 21:07:19 EDT Re: NDP Charlie Anugus on the net issues http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21059188 Bell_Abused : I suggest that those who are interested check the comment area of that p2pnet article for the post by Russell McOrmond (who runs both flora.ca and digitalcopyright.ca).

He is a big advocate of user rights that has been around for many years, and fighting for many years (as many of you will know).

In his post he has links to the NDP riding candidates that are also fighting the copyfight.

Worth a look for those interested.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21059188 Thu, 04 Sep 2008 20:38:01 EDT Re: NDP Charlie Anugus on the net issues http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21059060 Candoo3 :
said by tertech See Profile :

Their platform however is geared to appeal more to the worker, tenant, or consumer than the employer, landlord, or company. Just read their web-site.
The NDP has always been geared towards the average Joe/Jane Canadian, folks like you and me, that the Libs and PC's always seem to forget about in their agendas. Traditionally, they have always been there to defend the rights of the commom folk, against the "big-pockets", and they don't believe the rich should get richer, while the poor (in comparison), get poorer, carrying a large tax burden, while the MAJOR corporations get off easy in endless tax breaks. The NDP were the ones who instituted *social housing* back in the 70's and 80's, while the Libs and PC's turned a blind eye to the needs of all the people that lost their jobs and homes, during their rotating terms of administration. Bob Rae was a total f-up as a leader (still is), and for certain the NDP's never planned that they would actually get in at the time. The Lib's brought in the *temporary* GST (ya right), and the PC's if they were elected, would abolish it (ya right again). Nothing but a big freakin money grab to ensure pension funds would be plentiful for retiring MP's. Something is definitely wrong with this picture.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21059060 Thu, 04 Sep 2008 20:13:07 EDT Re: NDP Charlie Anugus on the net issues http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21056788 Angelo_ : don't forget your lube =p]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21056788 Thu, 04 Sep 2008 19:58:32 EDT Re: NDP Charlie Anugus on the net issues http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21058789 Candoo3 :
said by agreed :

Yup, if only we could vote on the indivduals.
That's how it used to be. It didn't matter what party the person represented, you could trust their pre-election word as an individual, even if it meant that they went against party policy. How times have changed, eh?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21058789 Thu, 04 Sep 2008 19:30:58 EDT Re: NDP Charlie Anugus on the net issues http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21058715 HoboJ : Honestly at this point I'll only vote NDP if the NDP candidate in my area isn't a complete douchebag. Liberals haven't picked a candidate here and the conservative one... well self explanatory.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21058715 Thu, 04 Sep 2008 19:18:23 EDT Re: NDP Charlie Anugus on the net issues http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21058568 anon : Geist's site picked up on it... just basically points to p2pnet]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21058568 Thu, 04 Sep 2008 18:56:05 EDT Re: NDP Charlie Anugus on the net issues http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21058237 morisato : Hrmm.. That would be a bad name.. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21058237 Thu, 04 Sep 2008 17:58:03 EDT Re: NDP Charlie Anugus on the net issues http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21056753 tertech :
said by lol at u :

lol is that what the ndp is saying?

Maybe you should re-educate yourself or re-evalaute whatever brain wahsed you.
The NDP is great - in opposition. We need folks like Charlie Angus to stand up in Parliament and make Minister Prentice look like the buffoon he is. I would even consider contributing to Mr Angus' campaign. Their platform however is geared to appeal more to the worker, tenant, or consumer than the employer, landlord, or company. Just read their web-site.

Hey, maybe if they form the government, we can have 'Rae Days' off. Hmmmmmm what could we call them? How about 'Jack-off days' ?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21056753 Thu, 04 Sep 2008 13:23:08 EDT Re: NDP Charlie Anugus on the net issues http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21056634 anon : lol is that what the ndp is saying?

Maybe you should re-educate yourself or re-evalaute whatever brain wahsed you.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21056634 Thu, 04 Sep 2008 12:54:19 EDT Re: NDP Charlie Anugus on the net issues http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21056587 Angelo_ : NDP is where its at]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21056587 Thu, 04 Sep 2008 12:44:19 EDT Re: NDP Charlie Anugus on the net issues http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21056582 tertech :
said by R0CKY See Profile :

I've traditionally not been NDP (pretty much raised in a Liberal House), and being self employed have had what can only be described as a Blue tendency, but with everything that is now going on..... I'm very much confused as to how to vote should it happen soon!
You own a business Rocky, you are evil! You should only be allowed to recoup your investment and break-even on your expenses for the first 10 years of operation. Don't you realize there are people out there who are less fortunate than you? Why should you profit while they suffer? You should provide the Internet for free.

uh, huh, wah? Sorry, I was temporarily possessed by the NDP spirit. I'm OK now.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21056582 Thu, 04 Sep 2008 12:42:42 EDT Re: NDP Charlie Anugus on the net issues http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21056558 anon :
said by R0CKY See Profile :

I'm very much confused as to how to vote should it happen soon!
"should"

Just in:

OTTAWA - Prime Minister Stephen Harper will visit Gov. Gen. Michaelle Jean early Sunday morning and ask her to dissolve the 39th Parliament, Canwest News Service has learned.

Canadians will vote Oct. 14, after the shortest campaign permitted by law.
»www.canada.com/montrealgazette/n···0a64baa6]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21056558 Thu, 04 Sep 2008 12:39:01 EDT Re: NDP Charlie Anugus on the net issues http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21056339 anon :
said by R0CKY See Profile :

I've traditionally not been NDP (pretty much raised in a Liberal House),
As an english speaking Quebecer, born and raised liberal, I concur (what was the english speaking communities only option?). Never even thought NDP before this year.

But Being in QC, we all know how this prov will go regardless.

Yup, if only we could vote on the indivduals.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21056339 Thu, 04 Sep 2008 11:52:45 EDT Re: NDP Charlie Anugus on the net issues http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21056281 Angelo_ : im voting for anyone or any group who can fullfil bandwidth needs ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21056281 Thu, 04 Sep 2008 11:41:44 EDT Re: NDP Charlie Anugus on the net issues http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21056229 R0CKY : I've traditionally not been NDP (pretty much raised in a Liberal House), and being self employed have had what can only be described as a Blue tendency, but with everything that is now going on..... I'm very much confused as to how to vote should it happen soon!

Kinda wish we were able to vote on the individuals rather than the parties at this point (as discussed over the last year or so), specially with various people people jumping ships as they have.

The Values of Red, Blue, Green, etc are all extremely blurred these days... It seems more driven by group agendas to be in or stay in power rather than doing what the parties actually believe in.
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TSI Rocky - TekSavvy Solutions Inc.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21056229 Thu, 04 Sep 2008 11:29:11 EDT Re: NDP Charlie Anugus on the net issues http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21056071 milnoc : *Sniff* *Sniff* Hmm. Smells like there's an election in the air. :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21056071 Thu, 04 Sep 2008 10:57:26 EDT NDP Charlie Anugus on the net issues http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21055795 anon : »www.p2pnet.net/story/16899

Figured this was a good place to toss this in since this forum is very active on the net issues:
The Canadian Net Neutrality issue
The copyright issue
Big corporations taking your net rights away.... to name a few.

In this article Charlie Angus addresses some key concerns many of you voiced here in this forum, and which our current government is keen on ignoring and is calling the online community a danger!

Jon over @ P2Pnet got in contact with the only political party to have a spokeman specifically to address digital issues, the many issues brought up in this very forum, by you.

Here, Digital Culture spokesman, Charlie Angus, lays it on the line in an exclusive p2pnet editorial.

Hope you enjoy it, its a decent read and shows at least one party is listening to you.

»www.p2pnet.net/story/16899]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21055795 Thu, 04 Sep 2008 10:04:27 EDT