rbf351
join:2008-09-05 | [northeast] cat5 not allowed to be used in NYC for the ONT? i'm having my install done today, and was told by the tech doing the install that he can not enable the cat5 connection on the ONT anymore in NYC, is this true? | |
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join:2008-08-06
Westfield, NJ | Re: [northeast] cat5 not allowed to be used in NYC for the ONT? Does this mean that he won't do the wiring? NYC is big, what is involved in your particular case? | |
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blackkbelt
join:2004-12-31
Glen Oaks, NY
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| I had my install done two weeks ago with Cat5 wiring in Queens NY. That is just BS coming from the tech.  Setting up the router and acquiring an IP address is done by running a script that is plugged into a USB port on your PC. I would not let them tell me that MoCA is the only way to go. | |
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join:2008-09-05 | Re: [northeast] cat5 not allowed to be used in NYC for the ONT? just called the 888 number and it has been switched to cat5, the tech was/is pretty pissed off. won't say a word to me while he is doing the install. my guess is he'll be here for another 2-4 hours | |
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louist
And So It Goes
Premium
join:2001-12-01
Oakland Gardens, NY | I was given the choice. I actually ran a prefab CAT 6 cable from the planned location for the inside version of the ONT to where my router is installed in advance. Tech was delighted to install using the Ethernet connection. | |
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| JohnA
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join:2003-09-16
Pittsburgh, PA
| Re: [northeast] cat5 not allowed to be used in NYC for the ONT? said by louist  :I was given the choice. I actually ran a prefab CAT 6 cable from the planned location for the inside version of the ONT to where my router is installed in advance. Tech was delighted to install using the Ethernet connection. They always are, if you have the wire run ahead of time. | |
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louist
And So It Goes
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join:2001-12-01
Oakland Gardens, NY | I guess it is just a case of be nice to them and they will reciprocate. | |
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NYFIOSTECH
Premium
join:2008-02-28
New Hyde Park, NY
| That flash has not made it to my garage. MoCA(coax) is the preferred data connection on residential installs, but we have the discretion to change to ethernet. As mentioned by others, the data port can be changed by calling into Verizon. On behalf of the installer, he may have been misled or misunderstood a directive given by management. I hope that is all it was. | |
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| rbf351
join:2008-09-05 | Re: [northeast] cat5 not allowed to be used in NYC for the ONT? it's all installed and everything is setup, he became friendly again towards the end of the install | |
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FizzyMyNizzy
join:2008-08-16
New York, NY | If doesn't use cat5/6, what other option does he have to give you? a fiber cable? I would have ask for the guy informaion and call for a supervisor. | |
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| Oregonian2
join:2008-07-16
Beaverton, OR
·Verizon FIOS
 ·SpiritOne / Aracne..
1 edit | Re: [northeast] cat5 not allowed to be used in NYC for the ONT? said by FizzyMyNizzy :If doesn't use cat5/6, what other option does he have to give you? a fiber cable? I would have ask for the guy informaion and call for a supervisor. Choice is coax cable (MOCA) or cat5 cable that'll go to the Actiontec router. Coax is preferred because they can then try to sell you TV service with it (and the Coax is required for that). In my case it was easily ten times easier for him to use my pre-existing CAT5 runs (leftover from DSL setup before) than run Coax and if he ran coax it would have been useless for TV (we just had three DirecTV DVR's installed in the far reaches of our 2-story house and still have nearly 2 years of commitment for it). He had zero problems with that and installed the CAT-5 method. | |
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join:2007-04-14
Virginia Beach, VA
| Re: [northeast] cat5 not allowed to be used in NYC for the ONT? said by Oregonian2 :said by FizzyMyNizzy :If doesn't use cat5/6, what other option does he have to give you? a fiber cable? I would have ask for the guy informaion and call for a supervisor. Choice is coax cable (MOCA) or cat5 cable that'll go to the Actiontec router. Coax is preferred because they can then try to sell you TV service with it (and the Coax is required for that). In my case it was easily ten times easier for him to use my pre-existing CAT5 runs (leftover from DSL setup before) than run Coax and if he ran coax it would have been useless for TV (we just had three DirecTV DVR's installed in the far reaches of our 2-story house and still have nearly 2 years of commitment for it). He had zero problems with that and installed the CAT-5 method. Actually Cat5 is fine for tv install, they would just hook up the coax to the coax lan port on the Actiontec. | |
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join:2008-07-16
Beaverton, OR
·Verizon FIOS
·SpiritOne / Aracne..
1 edit | Re: [northeast] cat5 not allowed to be used in NYC for the ONT? said by kes601 :Actually Cat5 is fine for tv install, they would just hook up the coax to the coax lan port on the Actiontec. Cat-5 can't handle the TV video, AFAIK, Coax is needed for the tv install and is why they'd like to install internet-only installations using coax (so they can sell you TV services as well, something harder to do if installation is coax-free using just CAT-5). | |
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ghot1
join:2003-05-27
Turtle Creek, PA | Re: [northeast] cat5 not allowed to be used in NYC for the ONT? you can have FIOS broadband AND TV see my post here:
»FIOS roxxxxxx!! | |
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join:2007-04-14
Virginia Beach, VA
1 edit | said by Oregonian2 :said by kes601 :Actually Cat5 is fine for tv install, they would just hook up the coax to the coax lan port on the Actiontec. Cat-5 can't handle the TV video, AFAIK, Coax is needed for the tv install and is why they'd like to install internet-only installations using coax (so they can sell you TV services as well, something harder to do if installation is coax-free using just CAT-5). I am aware of that. You said they could not do Cat-5 from ONT to router if you have video service. This is INCORRECT. As I stated, they can do Cat5 from ONT to router they would then plug your coax into the coax LAN port of the Actiontec. This gives your STBs the guide info and VOD.
Hence, CAT5 can be used at ONT if you have video service. | |
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ghot1
join:2003-05-27
Turtle Creek, PA
1 edit | Re: [northeast] cat5 not allowed to be used in NYC for the ONT? no bro i said: THEY said I couldnt have both the ethernet and the coax on the ONT on at the same time. there reason was that then I could if i was dishonest pull 40mb/s instead of the 20mb/s I was paying for...THATS why they wundt let me keep the router if i ran cat5e from ONT to comp | |
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nycdave
Premium,MVM
join:1999-11-16
Melville, NY
·Verizon FIOS
| Re: [northeast] cat5 not allowed to be used in NYC for the ONT? said by ghot1 :no bro i said: THEY said I couldnt have both the ethernet and the coax on the ONT on at the same time. there reason was that then I could if i was dishonest pull 40mb/s instead of the 20mb/s I was paying for...THATS why they wundt let me keep the router if i ran cat5e from ONT to comp No, it has nothing to do with being honest or not - the ONT CANNOT have more than 1 WAN interface on at the same time...It is MoCA or Ethernet, not both at the same time.
It is a hardware restriction on the ONT... | |
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ghot1
join:2003-05-27
Turtle Creek, PA | Re: [northeast] cat5 not allowed to be used in NYC for the ONT? no it can i called motorola and asked them lol
verizon dont WANT both on because unscrupulous types could then get 40mb/s for price of 20mb/s | |
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ghot1
join:2003-05-27
Turtle Creek, PA
| Re: [northeast] cat5 not allowed to be used in NYC for the ONT? the guy who installed it said it was new model and he came from delaware to pittsburgh to install...both verizon and motorola said they could both be on...but they wont ALLOW it...it not the device 9at least in this case) it policy?
Im just tellin you what they told me bro .....this ONT is
m/n: ONT 1000m-OPT if that helps | |
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birdfeedr
Premium,MVM
join:2001-08-11
Warwick, RI
·Verizon FIOS
| Re: [northeast] cat5 not allowed to be used in NYC for the ONT? said by ghot1 : .....this ONT is m/n: ONT 1000m-OPT if that helps It looks like you got the new gigabit WAN model. You're all set if you want to order the 500Mbps service when it's available. I wish I lived in PA. Rhode Island is such a backwater sometimes. 
Really, I promise, no more. Note to myself: Live and Let Live. | |
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nycdave
Premium,MVM
join:1999-11-16
Melville, NY
·Verizon FIOS
| Re: [northeast] cat5 not allowed to be used in NYC for the ONT? said by birdfeedr :said by ghot1 : .....this ONT is m/n: ONT 1000m-OPT if that helps It looks like you got the new gigabit WAN model. You're all set if you want to order the 500Mbps service when it's available. I wish I lived in PA. Rhode Island is such a backwater sometimes. Really, I promise, no more. Note to myself: Live and Let Live. Nah, he got the new model that has 10-GigE MoCA...
He heard that from the tech and Moto also.... | |
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ghot1
join:2003-05-27
Turtle Creek, PA
4 edits | dont feel bad....they didnt even have the pole wires run till 7 months ago :/ I've only had FIOS since aug 18th and after 4 hours of not usin browsers...they wouldnt work...till i rebooted comp even though i was still in Diablo 2 and that still worked....spent the entire 2 weeks trying to find out why ...they sent new router anf even sent a tech out......I even did fresh windows install to eliminate any software probs....and still the browser wouldnt connect after bein idle for 4-6 hours....finally i just told them i wanted cat5e from ONT straight to comp...they said it be $199 and so many more $$ for every 1/2 hour the tech be here...so i said if i buy and install the cat5e then how much...they said free....just call us when it installed and we'll switch it over...which was pretty cool i guess 
But they also said i had to send router(s) and the BIG STB back and they would send me a DCT700 so the coax they already ran I could use for TV...but I lose tv guide, VOD, premium, pay per view and fios on demand...i said no problem lol
i asked why i cudnt keep the STB they said cause then id have to keep the router and then I could get (more or less) 2x 20mb/s lines.....and that just wasnt "policy" ....but I test software and hardware on comp so TV is just for background noise anyways....and on top of that i got free Comcast with the all utilities apt. i live in....so i said no problem | |
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join:2008-07-16
Beaverton, OR
·Verizon FIOS
·SpiritOne / Aracne..
| said by kes601 :said by Oregonian2 :said by kes601 :Actually Cat5 is fine for tv install, they would just hook up the coax to the coax lan port on the Actiontec. Cat-5 can't handle the TV video, AFAIK, Coax is needed for the tv install and is why they'd like to install internet-only installations using coax (so they can sell you TV services as well, something harder to do if installation is coax-free using just CAT-5). I am aware of that. You said they could not do Cat-5 from ONT to router if you have video service. This is INCORRECT. As I stated, they can do Cat5 from ONT to router they would then plug your coax into the coax LAN port of the Actiontec. This gives your STBs the guide info and VOD. Hence, CAT5 can be used at ONT if you have video service. Sorry if that's what I said, it's not what I meant. I meant to say that if you have video installed, coax must be installed to the house and so they want to install coax even for internet-only installations. | |
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ghot1
join:2003-05-27
Turtle Creek, PA
2 edits | Re: [northeast] cat5 not allowed to be used in NYC for the ONT? yes ty we all know the obvious....there is both a coax port and a wan port on the actiontec....the REASON they wont do it is coz then id have 40 MB/s coz the cox carries both the 20mb/s AND the tv signal at diff frequencies....and Im not going to PAY for 40 mb/s so they said they wont do it...
the TV signal will NOT come over the cat5e it can ONLY come over the coax  | |
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louist
And So It Goes
Premium
join:2001-12-01
Oakland Gardens, NY
·Verizon FIOS
| Re: [northeast] cat5 not allowed to be used in NYC for the ONT? I had Fios Internet and phone for about a year. The wire run from the ONT to my Actiontec is Cat 6.
Yesterday, Verizon finally installed TV Service (3 HD DVRs). They used my existing Coax for the new TV runs. The MoCA is coax to the cable port on the Actiontec. The WAN connection to the ONT (Ethernet) remains on the Cat 6 wire. There did not appear to be any issue with this style installation.
I had 20/5 Std FIOS before and speed tests indicate that the same is the case now. I am not interested in taking any service that I am not paying for. However it does not appear that this cabling setup is in any way delivering more than the 20 down I am a subscriber to.
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Premium
join:2003-12-09
Lakeland, FL
·Verizon FIOS
1 edit | said by ghot1 :the TV signal will NOT come over the cat5e it can ONLY come over the coax VOD is over the internet, so TV does come from the internet side when viewing on-demand which is different that your current cable provider | |
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More Fiber
Premium,MVM
join:2005-09-26
West Chester, PA
·Bay Area Internet ..
1 edit | said by ghot1 :.the REASON they wont do it is coz then id have 40 MB/s coz the cox carries both the 20mb/s Why do you continue to post this misinformation about being able to get 40Mbps (20Mbps each over coax and cat5 at the same time)?
It is unfortunate that you were given incorrect information. Perhaps the person explaining it to you did not understand the technical reasons why it is not possible. However, continuing to post the same incorrect information in multiple threads serves no useful purpose.
• If you want to rant about it, then go to the »Rants, Raves, and Praise forum.
• If you want to make a formal complaint with Verizon, then post in the »/forum/vzdirect forum.
You have been told by multiple knowledgeable posters in this forum that it is NOT possible to provision your internet WAN connection over both cat5 and coax at the same time (and get 40Mbps). Here are two reasons why:
1} Your downstream internet connection is delivered over the 1490nm data stream on the fiber. Your bandwidth (20Mbps) on that data stream is provisioned at the VZ Central Office according to the speed tier that you pay for (again 20Mbps). At the ONT, that 1390nm data-stream can be delivered over either cat5 or coax (MOCA WAN). It can NOT be delivered over both at the same time, nor is there any way to get 40Mbps from a single 20Mbps data-stream. Upstream works the same way on 1310nm and is subject to the similar restrictions.
2) A residential account gets ONE and only one DHCP address. The cat5 and the MOCA WAN ports on the Actiontec have different MAC addresses. If they were to both to be active (which they can't) to the ONT at the same time, they would need two different IP addresses. | |
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join:2008-07-16
Beaverton, OR
·Verizon FIOS
·SpiritOne / Aracne..
| Re: [northeast] cat5 not allowed to be used in NYC for the ONT? said by More Fiber :You have been told by multiple knowledgeable posters in this forum that it is NOT possible to provision your internet WAN connection over both cat5 and coax at the same time (and get 40Mbps). Here are two reasons why: Or to say it simpler, the ONT receives 100% of the 622M (B-PON) or 2.4Gb (G-PON) bandwidth but only takes off the data addressed for that ONT. It then transports that picked-off data to the home's system through either the Coax or Cat-5, but it's still just that one data stream allocated for that customer. IOW there's only one internet datastream that's being directed over one of two interfaces. The download direction "metering" needs to be at the central office end else the system would be subject to a DOS attack. | |
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eXodus
Premium
join:2005-08-04
Rockaway, NJ
| I ran the Cat5e a weekend prior to my install date. The tech's were as happy as could be.
Needless to say they were talking to me the whole time, i even gave them water (it was hot out) and the supervisor came out to the install and they even offered to buy me lunch (the supervisor was running to quickcheck to buy them some food/drinks) but i respectfully declined.
This was when Fios was brand new to my area I was house #2 (i think) on the block to get it. I had 2 techs installing the connection.
What a great day haha.
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ramslt8
join:2007-12-07
Lutz, FL
| "Cat-5 can't handle the TV video, AFAIK, Coax is needed for the tv install and is why they'd like to install internet-only installations using coax (so they can sell you TV services as well, something harder to do if installation is coax-free using just CAT-5)."
No that is not the reason at all, the CAT5 has nothing to do with getting video service. Most homes are wired with coax in mostly every room and since it is already there it makes for a quicker install for the techs and less disruption to the customer or the possibility of damage to the home (putting a hole where it shouldn't be, ooops!). | |
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ghot1
join:2003-05-27
Turtle Creek, PA
| Re: [northeast] cat5 not allowed to be used in NYC for the ONT? yea i know lol
they sendin me the DTC700 a samller less functional STB that I will hook the COAX into that they originally ran.....the cat5e is ONLY internet and runs straight from ONT to my comp the COAX they origianlly installed will go to the DTC700 which is NOT a router it is a STB | |
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