Suggestion to Verizon - new boxes 2160p future proof .. in Verizon FIOS TV http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r21062706 en Wed, 11 Nov 2009 12:57:12 EDT Wed, 11 Nov 2009 12:57:12 EDT Re: Suggestion to Verizon - new boxes 2160p future proof .. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21069835 anon : if verizon listens to your suggestion they will be out of business paying for $2000 cable boxes. any other wonderful suggestions? go mpeg16 so they can futureproof til year 3000?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21069835 Sun, 07 Sep 2008 07:24:34 EDT Re: Suggestion to Verizon - new boxes 2160p future proof .. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21069186 Rickz0rz : Something like Tru2Way? :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21069186 Sun, 07 Sep 2008 00:13:07 EDT Re: Suggestion to Verizon - new boxes 2160p future proof .. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21067577 Lee GWB : Boxes will be on the way out. Cable Cards or something similar will be standard. My $.02 .
Lee]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21067577 Sat, 06 Sep 2008 10:37:16 EDT Re: Suggestion to Verizon - new boxes 2160p future proof .. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21067340 anon : sure they can do that then pass the costs to you the consumer DOH

said by techygeek See Profile :

I have to tell you, with 2160p probably in people's homes within the next 5-15 years and 100's of 1000's of boxes probably being bought by Verizon, I just wanted to suggest that you confer with Motorola, Scientific Atlanta or whatever set-top box maker is creating future boxes to be 4k (or 3840x2160p) ready.

Fact is, 2160p in the home makes perfect sense. Forget super expensive, its not even touchable yet for the consumer but I've seen shows played on an HDTV above 60" display size and it looks much like DVD. It would be a shame to buy millions of set-top boxes only for them all to be a waste for those who eventually want 2160p. I would think its better to make sure they can handle it now with just a flash upgrade much like the way most set-top boxes are updated now.
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21067340 Sat, 06 Sep 2008 09:31:02 EDT Re: Suggestion to Verizon - new boxes 2160p future proof .. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21066198 joe01880 :
said by BergenFiOS :

I am thinking that 2160P will come much sooner than anyone thinks. 4320P will be soon to follow. We should be ready.
Ready for technology that does not exist? That makes a lot of sense!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21066198 Fri, 05 Sep 2008 23:30:59 EDT Re: Suggestion to Verizon - new boxes 2160p future proof .. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21066085 Rickz0rz : I wouldn't be so sure that 2160 is the next evolution of resolution, anyways.

The jump from 1080 occurred from 480 horizontal lines of resolution (that IS the h-res of DVD, right?). That's a jump of 2.25x -- so 2.25 * 1080 = 2430. And that's even assuming that they will continue to measure things like that when the next standard comes, which will be a looooong time from now.

The second issue with pre-planning about future standards is that the equipment they have may not honestly be able to handle a video stream of such power. The set-top boxes they use have dedicated MPEG4/MPEG2 decoders, and there's no guarantee that those will still be the same compression codecs in the future. MPEG-4 AVC ala. H.264 is gaining steam, and there's no way to make it work with a box that uses a dedicated hardware codec with a software update, unless the formats are intrinsically backwards compatible.

Continuing on, the set-top boxes out there are actually (well, were) pretty weak. In 10 years time, the newest boxes out now will look pretty weak in comparison, and may lack the power to decode such a high-resolution stream, choking the box, and possibly preventing it from gaining enhancements from new technologies. Imagine trying to use HD OnDemand on a box from 1996 or so, if they would've built that box by how they would've imagined the future. It'd probably have a few VGA ports (which not many TVs, if at all use) and a dial-up connection for 'blazing two-way communication to your cable company'.

Lastly, building up boxes like that would be amazingly and prohibitively expensive. No one would want to bite on something that may fail due to changes in technology.

I think that about sums it up, right?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21066085 Fri, 05 Sep 2008 23:04:00 EDT Re: Suggestion to Verizon - new boxes 2160p future proof .. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21065876 anon : I am thinking that 2160P will come much sooner than anyone thinks. 4320P will be soon to follow. We should be ready.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21065876 Fri, 05 Sep 2008 22:24:44 EDT Re: Suggestion to Verizon - new boxes 2160p future proof .. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21065227 kyler13 : 2160p over cable would be useful to 0.001% of the population. You would need a display well in excess of 100" diagonal at a reasonable viewing distance (say 10ft) for your eyes to be able to resolve the extra detail compared to 1080p. Forget about increased size and decreased manufacturing costs. For the vast majority of people in this country, their family rooms won't accomodate a display much over 50-60". The only real benefit for a display to be designed for native 2160p will be to display both 720p and 1080p without the need for scaling algorithms (both divide evenly into 2160p). Projector systems at 2160p would best take advantage of 2160p sources due to the ability to scale to large screen sizes. As a matter of fact, 2160p projectors are already available.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21065227 Fri, 05 Sep 2008 20:22:15 EDT Re: Suggestion to Verizon - new boxes 2160p future proof .. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21065109 Earleyp : I think not, look at what the crazy japs are up to

»www.nhk.or.jp/digital/en/ ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21065109 Fri, 05 Sep 2008 19:55:40 EDT Re: Suggestion to Verizon - new boxes 2160p future proof .. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21062926 AFX : your probably looking at another 5 or so years before 1080p is as common as 1080i :uhh:
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... but I've seen shows played on an HDTV above 60" display size and it looks much like DVD. ...
Not sure I want it then :huh:. Did you mean 2160p looked like DVD? What am I missing?
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Same happened to notebook which were first limited by size of keyboard since LCDs were small, now when LCDs are bigger then keyboards notebook stopped growing up and will not grow resolution-wise anymore either.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21062793 Fri, 05 Sep 2008 13:45:50 EDT Re: Suggestion to Verizon - new boxes 2160p future proof .. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21062774 darcilicious : And is Vz (or any of the networks/studios) sending out anything 1080p even yet? ;-)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21062774 Fri, 05 Sep 2008 13:44:09 EDT Re: Suggestion to Verizon - new boxes 2160p future proof .. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21062752 FIOS MAN : Talk about look ahead! Is there anything even made in 2160p yet? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21062752 Fri, 05 Sep 2008 13:41:57 EDT Re: Suggestion to Verizon - new boxes 2160p future proof .. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21062750 aaronwt : Any box I use now I will not be using it in 5 years.

Most HD sets in peoples homes are still 1080i or lower. 2160 won't become any type of standard display for mass market consumers any time soon if ever.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21062750 Fri, 05 Sep 2008 13:41:30 EDT Re: Suggestion to Verizon - new boxes 2160p future proof .. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21062749 matcarl : How about just worrying about now and getting today's boxes working!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21062749 Fri, 05 Sep 2008 13:41:04 EDT Suggestion to Verizon - new boxes 2160p future proof .. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21062706 techygeek : I have to tell you, with 2160p probably in people's homes within the next 5-15 years and 100's of 1000's of boxes probably being bought by Verizon, I just wanted to suggest that you confer with Motorola, Scientific Atlanta or whatever set-top box maker is creating future boxes to be 4k (or 3840x2160p) ready.

Fact is, 2160p in the home makes perfect sense. Forget super expensive, its not even touchable yet for the consumer but I've seen shows played on an HDTV above 60" display size and it looks much like DVD. It would be a shame to buy millions of set-top boxes only for them all to be a waste for those who eventually want 2160p. I would think its better to make sure they can handle it now with just a flash upgrade much like the way most set-top boxes are updated now.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21062706 Fri, 05 Sep 2008 13:33:57 EDT