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FFH
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reply to Karl Bode

Re: Yep... business as usual

said by Karl Bode:

Yes Tom, it's consumers who demand clarity and accountability that are the problem. Clearly.
It wasn't the average consumer demanding it. They weren't affected and were not aware of any problem. It was the well above average abusers demanding the clarification and a hard cap. Well now they get to pay for what they wanted and got.
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S_engineer
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said by FFH:

said by Karl Bode:

Yes Tom, it's consumers who demand clarity and accountability that are the problem. Clearly.
It wasn't the average consumer demanding it. They weren't affected and were not aware of any problem. It was the well above average abusers demanding the clarification and a hard cap. Well now they get to pay for what they wanted and got.
i disagree. I think the above average users were complaining because some were getting access stopped on their "unlimited" contract. While this is clearly a case of "be careful what you wish for", Comcrap was wrong for selling unlimited contracts to people when they had no plans for a truly "unlimited" access.
I also think that this is just an excuse to introduce metered billing. With applications changing and becoming bigger in size, this is the new business model for the telcos/cablecos.
Now maybe if we had a politician paying attention to this, maybe regulations can produce what "competition" clearly is not....a decent broadband policy!


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FFH
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said by S_engineer:

Now maybe if we had a politician paying attention to this, maybe regulations can produce what "competition" clearly is not....a decent broadband policy!
The end result of what you are suggesting is not just regulation of TOS & transparency, but price controls. Because if that isn't part of the regulations, then the service providers will just raise prices to cover the costs of all the other regulations. And then the real whining to the politicians will commence.
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NOZIREV

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reply to S_engineer

what is a "a decent broadband policy!" in your eyes just curious since you seem to be a fairly intelligent human being? 25 TB's for 42.95$??
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Karl Bode
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reply to FFH

It wasn't the average consumer demanding it. They weren't affected and were not aware of any problem. It was the well above average abusers demanding the clarification and a hard cap.
A strawman point and completely irrelevant. A significant number of customers, the Florida Attorney General and the FCC have proven Comcast was lying to customers, yet here you are, claiming whatever happens is those customers fault for .... what .... demanding honesty?

Your logic consistently both astounds and terrifies.


S_engineer
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reply to FFH

said by FFH:

said by S_engineer:

then the service providers will just raise prices to cover the costs of all the other regulations. And then the real whining to the politicians will commence.
This company will raise the rates anyway. Do you actually think it won't be the customers paying this fine ?
If unchecked, these abuses will continue and when caught, The AG might as well just fine the customer.


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reply to FFH

said by FFH:

said by Karl Bode:

Yes Tom, it's consumers who demand clarity and accountability that are the problem. Clearly.
It wasn't the average consumer demanding it. They weren't affected and were not aware of any problem. It was the well above average abusers demanding the clarification and a hard cap. Well now they get to pay for what they wanted and got.
Dave Winer was an abuser? How so?

There's absolutely no evidence whatsoever that anyone who has been kicked off of the service abused it.

It was the top 1,000 users of bandwidth. This list was from across the system, not just from nodes with trouble reports, or highly-congested segments, or from observed complaints from other systems to the abuse@comcast desk! The only thing that kind of system protects is Comcast's loss from such a consumer -- and that's perfectly fine, but it has to be disclosed.

There was nothing in the TOS that covered kicking off users for being one of the top 1,000 users of bandwidth. Comcast didn't even check if they interfered with or impacted anybody == so they can't use that excuse.
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S_engineer
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reply to NOZIREV

said by NOZIREV:

what is a "a decent broadband policy!" in your eyes just curious since you seem to be a fairly intelligent human being? 25 TB's for 42.95$??
there are ways to push the stagnation we're in. In addition, there are also ways to enforce the contracts the businesses have with their customers. My suggestion is not fines (because the consumer pays that), but go after licenses. It's not the consumers fault that Comcrap doesn't like the contract that they themselves wrote!


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said by funchords:

Dave Winer was an abuser? How so?
He was warned weeks before they cut him off, and he's clearly tapped into online news to have drawn a reasonable conclusion about what the caps were.

True, Comcast official comments to him about usage were vague, but he would have needed to have been living in a cave (which is contradictory to his tech-savvy persona) to have not seen enough data to reasonably estimate the caps.

IMO, this one is a stalemate.


funchords
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said by espaeth:

said by funchords:

Dave Winer was an abuser? How so?
He was warned weeks before they cut him off, [...]

IMO, this one is a stalemate.
I agree that a warning does help, but it doesn't color Dave Winer as an abuser.
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FFH
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reply to Karl Bode

said by Karl Bode:

Your logic consistently both astounds and terrifies.
»www.metacafe.com/watch/879688/pe···_fright/


hopeflicker
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said by FFH:

said by Karl Bode:

Your logic consistently both astounds and terrifies.
»www.metacafe.com/watch/879688/pe···_fright/
OMG!!! stop the press.
TK posts a link to copyrighted material!!

Ohhh the humanity
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viperlmw
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reply to Karl Bode

said by Karl Bode:

It wasn't the average consumer demanding it. They weren't affected and were not aware of any problem. It was the well above average abusers demanding the clarification and a hard cap.
A strawman point and completely irrelevant. A significant number of customers, the Florida Attorney General and the FCC have proven Comcast was lying to customers, yet here you are, claiming whatever happens is those customers fault for .... what .... demanding honesty?

Your logic consistently both astounds and terrifies.
Karl, you don't understand. You are being painted as 'elitist', by being a "well above average" user. It's the only way they can sell their goods, by fear. Fear of the elite. Fear of taxes. Fear of regulations. Fear of equality. Make the other guy scary. That's how decisions are made by some. 'I can't win by being right, I'll win with FEAR'


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reply to funchords

if he was using over 250gb he was abusing it


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reply to S_engineer

.. got a contract for us to read where you or anyone was guaranteed "unlimited broadband" for life?