Re: [northeast] cat5 not allowed to be used in NYC for the ONT? in Verizon Fiber Optics http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r21064844 en Sat, 20 Mar 2010 19:28:36 EDT Sat, 20 Mar 2010 19:28:36 EDT Re: [northeast] cat5 not allowed to be used in NYC for the ONT? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21075644 Lee GWB : Dave,
When I had it installed 2 yrs ago they ran the cat 5 from the ONT and the cable. I have both running now Cat5 via PPPOE, Cable to the Actiontech.
Lee
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I am using 1 WAN :)And I can set the 2nd Wan it does not seem to pull an IP]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21075644 Mon, 08 Sep 2008 11:07:38 EDT Re: [northeast] cat5 not allowed to be used in NYC for the ONT? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21074097 Oregonian2 :
said by More Fiber See Profile :

You have been told by multiple knowledgeable posters in this forum that it is NOT possible to provision your internet WAN connection over both cat5 and coax at the same time (and get 40Mbps). Here are two reasons why:
Or to say it simpler, the ONT receives 100% of the 622M (B-PON) or 2.4Gb (G-PON) bandwidth but only takes off the data addressed for that ONT. It then transports that picked-off data to the home's system through either the Coax or Cat-5, but it's still just that one data stream allocated for that customer. IOW there's only one internet datastream that's being directed over one of two interfaces. The download direction "metering" needs to be at the central office end else the system would be subject to a DOS attack.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21074097 Sun, 07 Sep 2008 23:51:01 EDT Re: [northeast] cat5 not allowed to be used in NYC for the ONT? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21072271 More Fiber :
said by ghot1 See Profile :

.the REASON they wont do it is coz then id have 40 MB/s coz the cox carries both the 20mb/s
Why do you continue to post this misinformation about being able to get 40Mbps (20Mbps each over coax and cat5 at the same time)?

It is unfortunate that you were given incorrect information. Perhaps the person explaining it to you did not understand the technical reasons why it is not possible. However, continuing to post the same incorrect information in multiple threads serves no useful purpose.
• If you want to rant about it, then go to the »Rants, Raves, and Praise forum.
• If you want to make a formal complaint with Verizon, then post in the »/forum/vzdirect forum.

You have been told by multiple knowledgeable posters in this forum that it is NOT possible to provision your internet WAN connection over both cat5 and coax at the same time (and get 40Mbps). Here are two reasons why:

1} Your downstream internet connection is delivered over the 1490nm data stream on the fiber. Your bandwidth (20Mbps) on that data stream is provisioned at the VZ Central Office according to the speed tier that you pay for (again 20Mbps). At the ONT, that 1390nm data-stream can be delivered over either cat5 or coax (MOCA WAN). It can NOT be delivered over both at the same time, nor is there any way to get 40Mbps from a single 20Mbps data-stream. Upstream works the same way on 1310nm and is subject to the similar restrictions.

2) A residential account gets ONE and only one DHCP address. The cat5 and the MOCA WAN ports on the Actiontec have different MAC addresses. If they were to both to be active (which they can't) to the ONT at the same time, they would need two different IP addresses.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21072271 Sun, 07 Sep 2008 18:03:19 EDT Re: [northeast] cat5 not allowed to be used in NYC for the ONT? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21070220 guppy_fish :
said by ghot1 See Profile :

the TV signal will NOT come over the cat5e it can ONLY come over the coax :)
VOD is over the internet, so TV does come from the internet side when viewing on-demand which is different that your current cable provider]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21070220 Sun, 07 Sep 2008 10:09:37 EDT Re: [northeast] cat5 not allowed to be used in NYC for the ONT? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21069550 ghot1 : yes ty we all know the obvious....there is both a coax port and a wan port on the actiontec....the REASON they wont do it is coz then id have 40 MB/s coz the cox carries both the 20mb/s AND the tv signal at diff frequencies....and Im not going to PAY for 40 mb/s so they said they wont do it...

the TV signal will NOT come over the cat5e it can ONLY come over the coax :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21069550 Sun, 07 Sep 2008 09:58:31 EDT Re: [northeast] cat5 not allowed to be used in NYC for the ONT? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21070083 louist : I had Fios Internet and phone for about a year. The wire run from the ONT to my Actiontec is Cat 6.

Yesterday, Verizon finally installed TV Service (3 HD DVRs). They used my existing Coax for the new TV runs. The MoCA is coax to the cable port on the Actiontec. The WAN connection to the ONT (Ethernet) remains on the Cat 6 wire. There did not appear to be any issue with this style installation.

I had 20/5 Std FIOS before and speed tests indicate that the same is the case now. I am not interested in taking any service that I am not paying for. However it does not appear that this cabling setup is in any way delivering more than the 20 down I am a subscriber to.
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Lou]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21070083 Sun, 07 Sep 2008 09:20:55 EDT Re: [northeast] cat5 not allowed to be used in NYC for the ONT? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21069373 Oregonian2 :
said by kes601 See Profile :

said by Oregonian2 See Profile :

said by kes601 See Profile :

Actually Cat5 is fine for tv install, they would just hook up the coax to the coax lan port on the Actiontec.
Cat-5 can't handle the TV video, AFAIK, Coax is needed for the tv install and is why they'd like to install internet-only installations using coax (so they can sell you TV services as well, something harder to do if installation is coax-free using just CAT-5).
I am aware of that. You said they could not do Cat-5 from ONT to router if you have video service. This is INCORRECT. As I stated, they can do Cat5 from ONT to router they would then plug your coax into the coax LAN port of the Actiontec. This gives your STBs the guide info and VOD.

Hence, CAT5 can be used at ONT if you have video service.
Sorry if that's what I said, it's not what I meant. I meant to say that if you have video installed, coax must be installed to the house and so they want to install coax even for internet-only installations.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21069373 Sun, 07 Sep 2008 01:07:12 EDT Re: [northeast] cat5 not allowed to be used in NYC for the ONT? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21067767 ghot1 : dont feel bad....they didnt even have the pole wires run till 7 months ago :/ I've only had FIOS since aug 18th and after 4 hours of not usin browsers...they wouldnt work...till i rebooted comp even though i was still in Diablo 2 and that still worked....spent the entire 2 weeks trying to find out why ...they sent new router anf even sent a tech out......I even did fresh windows install to eliminate any software probs....and still the browser wouldnt connect after bein idle for 4-6 hours....finally i just told them i wanted cat5e from ONT straight to comp...they said it be $199 and so many more $$ for every 1/2 hour the tech be here...so i said if i buy and install the cat5e then how much...they said free....just call us when it installed and we'll switch it over...which was pretty cool i guess ;)

But they also said i had to send router(s) and the BIG STB back and they would send me a DCT700 so the coax they already ran I could use for TV...but I lose tv guide, VOD, premium, pay per view and fios on demand...i said no problem lol

i asked why i cudnt keep the STB they said cause then id have to keep the router and then I could get (more or less) 2x 20mb/s lines.....and that just wasnt "policy" ....but I test software and hardware on comp so TV is just for background noise anyways....and on top of that i got free Comcast with the all utilities apt. i live in....so i said no problem]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21067767 Sat, 06 Sep 2008 11:26:20 EDT Re: [northeast] cat5 not allowed to be used in NYC for the ONT? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21067758 nycdave :
said by birdfeedr See Profile :

said by ghot1 See Profile :

.....this ONT is m/n: ONT 1000m-OPT if that helps
It looks like you got the new gigabit WAN model. You're all set if you want to order the 500Mbps service when it's available. I wish I lived in PA. Rhode Island is such a backwater sometimes. :(

Really, I promise, no more. Note to myself: Live and Let Live.
Nah, he got the new model that has 10-GigE MoCA...

He heard that from the tech and Moto also....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21067758 Sat, 06 Sep 2008 11:24:16 EDT Re: [northeast] cat5 not allowed to be used in NYC for the ONT? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21067725 birdfeedr :
said by ghot1 See Profile :

.....this ONT is m/n: ONT 1000m-OPT if that helps
It looks like you got the new gigabit WAN model. You're all set if you want to order the 500Mbps service when it's available. I wish I lived in PA. Rhode Island is such a backwater sometimes. :(

Really, I promise, no more. Note to myself: Live and Let Live.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21067725 Sat, 06 Sep 2008 11:18:12 EDT Re: [northeast] cat5 not allowed to be used in NYC for the ONT? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21067696 ghot1 : the guy who installed it said it was new model and he came from delaware to pittsburgh to install...both verizon and motorola said they could both be on...but they wont ALLOW it...it not the device 9at least in this case) it policy?

Im just tellin you what they told me bro .....this ONT is
m/n: ONT 1000m-OPT if that helps ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21067696 Sat, 06 Sep 2008 11:11:59 EDT Re: [northeast] cat5 not allowed to be used in NYC for the ONT? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21067679 birdfeedr :
said by ghot1 See Profile :

no it can i called motorola and asked them lol
verizon dont WANT both on because unscrupulous types could then get 40mb/s for price of 20mb/s
Well dave, you got it straight from the horse's mouth. ;) There must be a new version of Motorola ONT out that has the added feature of dual WAN interface. Luckily, ghot1 is scrupulous and only wants what he pays for. Just think of the horror if everybody had two WAN ports out of their ONT. :o

Note to ghot1 See Profile: nycdave probably dreams ONT PCB component assignment lists at night, that's how much he knows about the hardware. But then again, maybe you have an experimental version that's still in beta testing. :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21067679 Sat, 06 Sep 2008 11:07:24 EDT Re: [northeast] cat5 not allowed to be used in NYC for the ONT? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21067647 ghot1 : no it can i called motorola and asked them lol
verizon dont WANT both on because unscrupulous types could then get 40mb/s for price of 20mb/s]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21067647 Sat, 06 Sep 2008 10:58:18 EDT Re: [northeast] cat5 not allowed to be used in NYC for the ONT? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21067629 nycdave :
said by ghot1 See Profile :

no bro i said: THEY said I couldnt have both the ethernet and the coax on the ONT on at the same time. there reason was that then I could if i was dishonest pull 40mb/s instead of the 20mb/s I was paying for...THATS why they wundt let me keep the router if i ran cat5e from ONT to comp
No, it has nothing to do with being honest or not - the ONT CANNOT have more than 1 WAN interface on at the same time...It is MoCA or Ethernet, not both at the same time.

It is a hardware restriction on the ONT...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21067629 Sat, 06 Sep 2008 10:53:41 EDT Re: [northeast] cat5 not allowed to be used in NYC for the ONT? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21067455 ghot1 : no bro i said: THEY said I couldnt have both the ethernet and the coax on the ONT on at the same time. there reason was that then I could if i was dishonest pull 40mb/s instead of the 20mb/s I was paying for...THATS why they wundt let me keep the router if i ran cat5e from ONT to comp]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21067455 Sat, 06 Sep 2008 10:06:19 EDT Re: [northeast] cat5 not allowed to be used in NYC for the ONT? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21067427 kes601 :
said by Oregonian2 See Profile :

said by kes601 See Profile :

Actually Cat5 is fine for tv install, they would just hook up the coax to the coax lan port on the Actiontec.
Cat-5 can't handle the TV video, AFAIK, Coax is needed for the tv install and is why they'd like to install internet-only installations using coax (so they can sell you TV services as well, something harder to do if installation is coax-free using just CAT-5).
I am aware of that. You said they could not do Cat-5 from ONT to router if you have video service. This is INCORRECT. As I stated, they can do Cat5 from ONT to router they would then plug your coax into the coax LAN port of the Actiontec. This gives your STBs the guide info and VOD.

Hence, CAT5 can be used at ONT if you have video service.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21067427 Sat, 06 Sep 2008 09:58:14 EDT Re: [northeast] cat5 not allowed to be used in NYC for the ONT? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21067217 ghot1 : yea i know lol
they sendin me the DTC700 a samller less functional STB that I will hook the COAX into that they originally ran.....the cat5e is ONLY internet and runs straight from ONT to my comp the COAX they origianlly installed will go to the DTC700 which is NOT a router it is a STB]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21067217 Sat, 06 Sep 2008 08:44:29 EDT Re: [northeast] cat5 not allowed to be used in NYC for the ONT? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21067202 ramslt8 : "Cat-5 can't handle the TV video, AFAIK, Coax is needed for the tv install and is why they'd like to install internet-only installations using coax (so they can sell you TV services as well, something harder to do if installation is coax-free using just CAT-5)."

No that is not the reason at all, the CAT5 has nothing to do with getting video service. Most homes are wired with coax in mostly every room and since it is already there it makes for a quicker install for the techs and less disruption to the customer or the possibility of damage to the home (putting a hole where it shouldn't be, ooops!). ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21067202 Sat, 06 Sep 2008 08:36:50 EDT Re: [northeast] cat5 not allowed to be used in NYC for the ONT? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21066838 ghot1 : you can have FIOS broadband AND TV see my post here:

»FIOS roxxxxxx!!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21066838 Sat, 06 Sep 2008 04:06:10 EDT Re: [northeast] cat5 not allowed to be used in NYC for the ONT? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21066805 Oregonian2 :
said by kes601 See Profile :

Actually Cat5 is fine for tv install, they would just hook up the coax to the coax lan port on the Actiontec.
Cat-5 can't handle the TV video, AFAIK, Coax is needed for the tv install and is why they'd like to install internet-only installations using coax (so they can sell you TV services as well, something harder to do if installation is coax-free using just CAT-5).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21066805 Sat, 06 Sep 2008 03:34:10 EDT Re: [northeast] cat5 not allowed to be used in NYC for the ONT? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21065632 kes601 :
said by Oregonian2 See Profile :

said by FizzyMyNizzy See Profile :

If doesn't use cat5/6, what other option does he have to give you? a fiber cable? I would have ask for the guy informaion and call for a supervisor.
Choice is coax cable (MOCA) or cat5 cable that'll go to the Actiontec router. Coax is preferred because they can then try to sell you TV service with it (and the Coax is required for that). In my case it was easily ten times easier for him to use my pre-existing CAT5 runs (leftover from DSL setup before) than run Coax and if he ran coax it would have been useless for TV (we just had three DirecTV DVR's installed in the far reaches of our 2-story house and still have nearly 2 years of commitment for it). He had zero problems with that and installed the CAT-5 method.
Actually Cat5 is fine for tv install, they would just hook up the coax to the coax lan port on the Actiontec.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21065632 Fri, 05 Sep 2008 21:41:09 EDT Re: [northeast] cat5 not allowed to be used in NYC for the ONT? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21065353 eXodus : I ran the Cat5e a weekend prior to my install date. The tech's were as happy as could be.

Needless to say they were talking to me the whole time, i even gave them water (it was hot out) and the supervisor came out to the install and they even offered to buy me lunch (the supervisor was running to quickcheck to buy them some food/drinks) but i respectfully declined.

This was when Fios was brand new to my area I was house #2 (i think) on the block to get it. I had 2 techs installing the connection.

What a great day haha.
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-eXodus]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21065353 Fri, 05 Sep 2008 20:47:45 EDT Re: [northeast] cat5 not allowed to be used in NYC for the ONT? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21065279 Oregonian2 :
said by FizzyMyNizzy See Profile :

If doesn't use cat5/6, what other option does he have to give you? a fiber cable? I would have ask for the guy informaion and call for a supervisor.
Choice is coax cable (MOCA) or cat5 cable that'll go to the Actiontec router. Coax is preferred because they can then try to sell you TV service with it (and the Coax is required for that). In my case it was easily ten times easier for him to use my pre-existing CAT5 runs (leftover from DSL setup before) than run Coax and if he ran coax it would have been useless for TV (we just had three DirecTV DVR's installed in the far reaches of our 2-story house and still have nearly 2 years of commitment for it). He had zero problems with that and installed the CAT-5 method.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21065279 Fri, 05 Sep 2008 20:33:50 EDT Re: [northeast] cat5 not allowed to be used in NYC for the ONT? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21064844 FizzyMyNizzy : If doesn't use cat5/6, what other option does he have to give you? a fiber cable? I would have ask for the guy informaion and call for a supervisor.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21064844 Fri, 05 Sep 2008 19:06:52 EDT Re: [northeast] cat5 not allowed to be used in NYC for the ONT? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21064809 louist : I guess it is just a case of be nice to them and they will reciprocate.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21064809 Fri, 05 Sep 2008 19:01:31 EDT Re: [northeast] cat5 not allowed to be used in NYC for the ONT? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21064453 rbf351 : it's all installed and everything is setup, he became friendly again towards the end of the install]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21064453 Fri, 05 Sep 2008 17:57:22 EDT Re: [northeast] cat5 not allowed to be used in NYC for the ONT? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21064252 NYFIOSTECH : That flash has not made it to my garage. MoCA(coax) is the preferred data connection on residential installs, but we have the discretion to change to ethernet. As mentioned by others, the data port can be changed by calling into Verizon. On behalf of the installer, he may have been misled or misunderstood a directive given by management. I hope that is all it was.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21064252 Fri, 05 Sep 2008 17:28:31 EDT Re: [northeast] cat5 not allowed to be used in NYC for the ONT? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21062965 JohnA :
said by louist See Profile :

I was given the choice. I actually ran a prefab CAT 6 cable from the planned location for the inside version of the ONT to where my router is installed in advance. Tech was delighted to install using the Ethernet connection.
They always are, if you have the wire run ahead of time.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21062965 Fri, 05 Sep 2008 14:09:44 EDT Re: [northeast] cat5 not allowed to be used in NYC for the ONT? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21062687 louist : I was given the choice. I actually ran a prefab CAT 6 cable from the planned location for the inside version of the ONT to where my router is installed in advance. Tech was delighted to install using the Ethernet connection.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21062687 Fri, 05 Sep 2008 13:30:19 EDT Re: [northeast] cat5 not allowed to be used in NYC for the ONT? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21062292 rbf351 : just called the 888 number and it has been switched to cat5, the tech was/is pretty pissed off. won't say a word to me while he is doing the install. my guess is he'll be here for another 2-4 hours]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21062292 Fri, 05 Sep 2008 12:22:23 EDT Re: [northeast] cat5 not allowed to be used in NYC for the ONT? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21062251 blackkbelt : I had my install done two weeks ago with Cat5 wiring in Queens NY. That is just BS coming from the tech. :mad: Setting up the router and acquiring an IP address is done by running a script that is plugged into a USB port on your PC. I would not let them tell me that MoCA is the only way to go. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21062251 Fri, 05 Sep 2008 12:15:28 EDT Re: [northeast] cat5 not allowed to be used in NYC for the ONT? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21062134 nipo : Does this mean that he won't do the wiring? NYC is big, what is involved in your particular case?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21062134 Fri, 05 Sep 2008 11:55:05 EDT [northeast] cat5 not allowed to be used in NYC for the ONT? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21061803 rbf351 : i'm having my install done today, and was told by the tech doing the install that he can not enable the cat5 connection on the ONT anymore in NYC, is this true?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21061803 Fri, 05 Sep 2008 10:55:26 EDT