Transfer switch in Home Repair & Improvement

Transfer switch in Home Repair & Improvement http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r21072379 en Wed, 11 Nov 2009 09:47:13 EDT Wed, 11 Nov 2009 09:47:13 EDT Re: Transfer switch http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21438550 Splitpair :

said by whizkid3

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I assume its to the ground rod or water pipe electrodes. If so, it should not be spliced at all to be code compliant.

True but it's a little late for that now so at this point I would use a crimp like a c connector to make amends.

Wayne
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21438550 Sun, 16 Nov 2008 23:16:32 EDT Re: Transfer switch http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21438542 whizkid3 : I assume its to the ground rod or water pipe electrodes. If so, it should not be spliced at all to be code compliant.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21438542 Sun, 16 Nov 2008 23:14:32 EDT Re: Transfer switch http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21438485 Splitpair : FWIW that Kerney on the ground wire is not legal nor safe as they are prone to coming loose. You need a good crimp connector to get close to legal.

Wayne
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21438485 Sun, 16 Nov 2008 23:02:36 EDT Re: Transfer switch http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21436737 PoloDude : Update on this. The Nuetral bond is seperated from the panel. The grd from the generator is tied to the house/cold water gound. The main ground up the left side of the panel

Main ground that was going to the old panel
neutrals
Grnd from gen feed to house gnd

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21436737 Sun, 16 Nov 2008 15:48:30 EDT Re: Transfer switch http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21371022 Splitpair :

said by KirkyInCT :

Do all municipalities require electric co and town coordination to open the meter socket?

Here the answer is technically yes. However local politics often trump the Code there are three mobile home communities in my turf that are absorbing the movement of a large community (900 units) to the East that is being closed and being re-developed.

The mayor of the Town of Davie has instructed the town’s building departments to “work” with contractors involved in the project and while most of the larger players in the process follow the proper process I have had to shut down “with the threat of involving the police” four jobs where contractors assumed work first (without calling locates) and permit later.

I don’t give a damm if they have a permit or not but DO NOT be trenching near my fiber.

I have also seen scabs working there posing as electricians removing pedestal mounted meter cans live within walking distance of a pad mounted transformer never involving FP&L. They tape the bare ends of the URD and then pull the can off live hoping all will go well and so far only one scab has been badly injured literally no kidding.

The drops they do successfully disconnect they simply tape off the ends and bury it live.

I believe something is going to hit the fan soon as the TOD’s electrical inspector has green tagged the “new” meter cans and FP&L has since blanked and sealed the meter sockets and tagged them out of service pending the installation of new URD drops which I am betting no one has applied for. ;-)

Wayne
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21371022 Mon, 03 Nov 2008 20:01:11 EDT Re: Transfer switch http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21369458 anon :

said by whizkid3

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Yikes! (You forgot about proper working clearnance.)

Something tells me that the least of the problems. Please get that inspected, at least by the town, but first by a licensed electrician. You don't want to waste the building inspectors time and make him come back.

Do all municipalities require electric co and town coordination to open the meter socket? Around here I gotta let the local electric co know I'm going to have to open the meter socket. The town won't issue a permit with a work order number from them. Gotta figure the electric co will be more than happy to report a broken seal on the meter.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21369458 Mon, 03 Nov 2008 15:15:00 EDT Re: Transfer switch http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21369201 LazMan : OK - not to knock you for the "DIY" spirit - but that's rough..

Did you remove the neutral/ground bond at the circuit breaker panel? It's no longer the service entrance, and there should be no bond there. There is no visable neutral/ground bond in the transfer switch, which now IS your service entrance.

The conductors to your gen-set look undersized for the load. How are they connected at the generator end, and what protection is on them?

Did your PUC/Electric company come pull the meter for you, when you swung the supply lines?

I'm not trying to bust nuts here; but I'd be going over that installation again, with a very fine tooth comb, and having an inspector come out and check it - if only so your insurance can't cancel you in case of a fire...

Laz]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21369201 Mon, 03 Nov 2008 14:25:45 EDT Re: Transfer switch http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21366137 Splitpair : I never thought anyone could overtake me on "Southern Engineering" an electrical job but Sir my crown is off to you. ;-)

I do hope you pulled a Saturday permit for the work.

Wayne
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21366137 Sun, 02 Nov 2008 20:38:21 EDT Re: Transfer switch http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21365730 whizkid3 : Yikes! (You forgot about proper working clearnance.)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21365730 Sun, 02 Nov 2008 19:11:36 EDT Re: Transfer switch http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21364855 fcisler : Shouldn't the bare wire coming from service be connected to the neutral bus? I was under the understanding that that WAS the neutral, and the ground was provided at the customer side.

As I see it now - you have NO neutral service entrance. It is bound to the ground. Also, should the ground be bonded at the transfer switch?

I could be completely off, and if I am someone please explain this to me. Looking at what whizkid3 posted, it looks like this should be the case.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21364855 Sun, 02 Nov 2008 15:26:56 EDT Re: Transfer switch http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21364485 mattmag :
Wow.... Looks like a disaster just waiting for a time to happen.

I think your generator supply circuit is in danger of being overloaded very easily, since you have no separate panel for the emergency loads. With your setup, you need to have a generator and cabling capable of supplying the entire load of the house, and of course 6kW won't make that.

Not to mention all the other issues with that installation... :(]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21364485 Sun, 02 Nov 2008 13:54:08 EDT Re: Transfer switch http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21364046 PoloDude : Another project done! Generator is hardwired into the bottom of the switch. Meter feed is comes in from the bottom of the electrical panel up the wall the into the top of the switch to the top contacs. The main panel is of course fed from the center.
I have a 6kw generator. Tested last night as soon as we were done (of course we couldn't wait!) I had just about every light on along with the oilburner and the fridge. No problems.
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I do have the

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21364046 Sun, 02 Nov 2008 12:07:21 EDT Re: Transfer switch http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21123641 Splitpair :

said by whizkid3

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Is the water piping metallic? Regardless of whether its on the other side of the house, either it gets bonded and used as a grounding electrode (if metallic), or a second ground rod is required to be code compliant. Likewise, the metal water piping within the house is to be bonded to ground, so that should it become accidentally energized, it won't kill anyone.

Maybe this will help a little. Note inmost rsidential applications the CWP ground conductor will be run un-interupted to the rod.

Wayne
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21123641 Wed, 17 Sep 2008 07:44:38 EDT Re: Transfer switch http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21120852 Splitpair : This is the “correct” way to connect a portable generator to a transfer switch of course the inlet doesn’t need to be on the switch it can be located elsewhere and conduited in. Now that huge P&S connector is rated for 200 amps and since you can roll your generator around I doubt you would need such a large connector unless you are really big guy and can actually pull around a 200 amp generator without a truck. ;-)

Also note the proper labeling of the switch leaving no doubts of what the positions of the handle are utilized for.

Wayne
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21120852 Tue, 16 Sep 2008 17:56:08 EDT Re: Transfer switch http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21118248 dgilbert :

said by PoloDude

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1. Gen is in garage front of house,

whatever you do, do NOT run that genny in teh garage! folks die during every storm due to CO poisoning. roll it outside to use it, or have it permanently installed and pipe the exhaust outside. even with teh garage doors open there is a very good chance of exhaust/CO getting in the house. test runs for a few minutes are not that bad, but don't run it for several hours in there!
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1. Gen is in garage front of house, 220v line is in back of house. would require rolling it around house and it would run under our bedroom window.
2. That way would mean having to remember throwing main on panel to off. Also would have to have a plug wired into the disconnect for the Hottub.
I want to make this as easy as possible so that if i am not home my girlfriend can do this with no worries about doing it wrong.
I the Past year we have only lost power maybe 3xs with the longest about 2 hours. I always thought the idea behind something like a generator was, Hope you don't have to use it, but be damn glad you have it when you do.
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said by PoloDude

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.... I might have my electrician do this. He is doing some other work for me at this time. Running a 220v line to the back of the house for a future hot tub....

You're already having a new 220 line being run, to outside the house? Why not set up some switch over mechanism there, to either connect the hot tub, or an outlet for the generator. Then, when needed, throw your main service breaker, and backfeed your panel from the "hot tub" circuit. How often do you expect to have to run from generator power?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21117917 Tue, 16 Sep 2008 09:27:19 EDT Re: Transfer switch http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21110869 whizkid3 : Is the water piping metallic?

Regardless of whether its on the other side of the house, either it gets bonded and used as a grounding electrode (if metallic), or a second ground rod is required to be code compliant. Likewise, the metal water piping within the house is to be bonded to ground, so that should it become accidentally energized, it won't kill anyone.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21110869 Sun, 14 Sep 2008 23:19:04 EDT Re: Transfer switch http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21110656 PoloDude : Main comes in the other side of the house. The only piping by the meter is for heating - hot water.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21110656 Sun, 14 Sep 2008 22:29:08 EDT Re: Transfer switch http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21110217 whizkid3 :

said by PoloDude

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I dont have a water pipe ground being used. all goes to a ground rod right under the meter.

Do you have a metal water main piping from the street? Metal piping through the house?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21110217 Sun, 14 Sep 2008 20:52:15 EDT Re: Transfer switch http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21109554 PoloDude : Yes, it's on wheels. I will just roll it out into the driveway when needed.
Anyone know of an in line watt meter i could incorporate in this setup?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21109554 Sun, 14 Sep 2008 18:22:38 EDT Re: Transfer switch http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21109226 Splitpair :

said by PoloDude

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Does the main feed have to connect to the top of the switch or can it connect to the bottom of it?

No but the switch should be clearly labeled indicating what the position of the handle connects the load to.

Is the generator portable?

Wayne
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21109226 Sun, 14 Sep 2008 16:53:55 EDT Re: Transfer switch http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21108723 PoloDude : Ok i see. Bond the neutrals and seperatly bond the grounds. feed them to the main panel to the existing ground neutral bonds.
The existing feed from the meter is 1-1-1. I will use the same cable to feed the switch. Then feed feed the panel.
I dont have a water pipe ground being used. all goes to a ground rod right under the meter.
And the chicken scratch was fine.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21108450 Sun, 14 Sep 2008 13:51:42 EDT Re: Transfer switch http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21108077 PoloDude : THank you for the replies. I might have my electrician do this. He is doing some other work for me at this time. Running a 220v line to the back of the house for a future hot tub. The meter is just outside the the existing panel so i thin we will just run new cable, best way to do it and won't save any money trying to splice it.
I also want to direct wire the generator cable into the switch. I don't see an advantage of having a seperate plug (L-14) as i have room to hang the cable next to the box.
Does the main feed have to connect to the top of the switch or can it connect to the bottom of it?
Do you think you could draw a diagram of the proper way to wire it in with the nuetrals?
Thanks again
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Don't forget to make sure the transfer switch's short-circuit interupting rating matches or exceeds that required by the utility. You can check the interupting rating on the circuit breaker panelboard. The rating of the transfer switch should be equal or greater (assuming the rating on the panelboard is correct for the application).

Your existing panelboard appears to be bottom-fed. You will either need to re-locate the service feeders into the transfer switch. I doubt the will reach to the top of the safety switch; which means replacing them. (You could splice but it would probably be more work. They should be spliced in a separate box.) You will need to run 4 wires from the switch to the panelboard (including ground & neutral).

The only concern left will be to 'move' the neutral-ground bond from the panelboard into the disconnect switch; as it must be inclusively between the meter pan and the disconnect (transfer) switch. The only difficult part, if you ask me, will be to add a separate isolated neutral bus (or separate ground bus) to the main circuit breaker panel, and split all the equipment neutral and ground wires to their respective buses (as if it were a sub-panel).

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21107909 Sun, 14 Sep 2008 11:47:16 EDT Re: Transfer switch http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21107634 Splitpair :

said by whizkid3

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Should work fine. Bear in mind, that if the switch does not have a lockable center-off position, you will need a Main disconnect switch (safety switch) between your meter pan and the transfer switch or a meter pan with integral disconnect.

It certainly does have a center/off lockout.

Wayne
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Normal position
Off position. Note it is locked and has provisions for lockout tagout..
Generator position
Handy label

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21107634 Sun, 14 Sep 2008 10:51:43 EDT Re: Transfer switch http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21107429 whizkid3 :

said by LazMan

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Correct - it's not rated for entrance use; so there will have to be a disconnect ahead of the transfer switch.

Wrong (provided you trust the ebay text). The ebay add states: "UL Listed as suitable for use as service equipment". So, it is rated for service use. However, without an 'off' position; it is not a main disconnect, and an install will not be code compliant; unless - and I am not sure how you plan on connecting it PoloDude - you have it downstream of the "existing panel, which still has its main disconnect".

You ask "why"? How will you cut power to the transfer switch to service it, PoloDude? Pulling the meter? If that is the case, then your install won't be code compliant, and you will need a disconnect switch between the meter and the switch. You are planning to place the panel board as the load on the switch, correct?

[Edit] - I did some digging in the NEC. The interpretation (by the inspector), of the following paragraph, may determine whether or not using this transfer switch ahead of the panelboard (used as a main disconnect) will be acceptable. I suggest contacting the local building department to find out prior; unless you're willing to gamble on re-working the installation and paying a re-inspection fee:

quote:
230.82 Equipment connected to the supply side of service disconnect. Only the following equipment shall be permitted to be connected to the supply side of the service disconnecting means: [goes on to list acceptable cable limiters, meters, meter disconnect switches, instrument transformers, taps, control circuits, ground-fault equipment, and:]

(6) Solar photovoltaic systems, fuel cell systems, or interconnected electric power production sources.

One more point to consider, is that your transfer switch does not switch the neutral. So, make sure that there is no neutral-ground bond at the generator itself. (You can only have one, unless the neutral is switched.) By the way, this bond will have to be between the meter pan and any main disconnect switch. If your panelboard will be acceptable, then your neutral-ground bond (in the panelboard) will be fine. If you must add the (service rated) disconnect switch, the neutral-ground bond in the panelboard will have to be removed, and re-located to either the meter pan or the added disconnect switch.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21107429 Sun, 14 Sep 2008 09:46:10 EDT Re: Transfer switch http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21100941 LazMan : If I'm reading my Schneider doc's correctly, this model (82245) switch may not be service rated. That means it's not approved to be the first connection point between the utility, and the customer/load. You may need to put an approved disconnect (switch/fused switch) between this transfer switch, and the meter. Something like an DU324 may have to be used.

Your electrician and/or PUC should be able to tell you for sure, if it's approved for your application, in your area.

Laz]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21100941 Fri, 12 Sep 2008 17:32:30 EDT Re: Transfer switch http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21099940 PoloDude : Why would i need a disconnect before this switch, Which is a disconnect? It will be mounted inside next to the existing panel, which still has it's main disconnect.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21099940 Fri, 12 Sep 2008 14:38:44 EDT Re: Transfer switch http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21098434 LazMan :

said by whizkid3

Correct - it's not rated for entrance use; so there will have to be a disconnect ahead of the transfer switch.

Laz]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21098434 Fri, 12 Sep 2008 10:18:56 EDT Re: Transfer switch http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21097826 whizkid3 : Should work fine. Bear in mind, that if the switch does not have a lockable center-off position, you will need a Main disconnect switch (safety switch) between your meter pan and the transfer switch or a meter pan with integral disconnect.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21097826 Fri, 12 Sep 2008 07:31:49 EDT Re: Transfer switch http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21095493 PoloDude : Found what i was looking for.

»cgi.ebay.com/Square-D-200Amp-Use···ViewItem

They are $1200 new.
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I have a reliance panel with outside 30amp plug (weathertight cap) and one double-throw switch (generator/line). The setup cost me $1100.00

I can run all except electric dryer and 2 ton AC unit.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21079438 Mon, 08 Sep 2008 23:04:23 EDT Re: Transfer switch http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21075683 PoloDude : I think i am going to go the Interlock route. Seems to be the best/easiest way to do it. I just have to find the right one.
Sailor thanks for the pic/suggestion. I installed one of those in my last house and it worked great. However you are not able to enegize the whole house.
I wonder if there is a generator plug with a built in watt meter?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21075683 Mon, 08 Sep 2008 11:15:27 EDT Re: Transfer switch http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21074490 billaustin : I would suggest a new main panel with room for at least a dozen breakers. You put a large breaker in the new panel and run the service to your transfer switch, and then from the transfer switch to your existing panel.

This method will make the electrical inspection much easier to pass. It gives you a main disconnect, that is probably required by code, and lets you perform any future maintenance or upgrades without involving the electric company.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21074490 Mon, 08 Sep 2008 02:38:35 EDT Re: Transfer switch http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21074483 UncleScooter : »www.interlockkit.com/intro2.htm

You can use a Interlock kit in your existing panel.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21074483 Mon, 08 Sep 2008 02:33:12 EDT Re: Transfer switch http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21074415 LazMan : Should be no big deal...

You're looking for a DPDT "Break before make" switch... Very common in commercial use. Any electrical supplier (and no, I don't mean big Orange, I mean a real supplier, where electricians would shop) - should have them.

You do, however, need to get one rated for "Service Entrance Use" if you're going to install it between your meter base and your panel (which is exactly what I think you plan on...)

For Instance - something on this page should do the trick...

»www.eatoncanada.ca/safetyswitche···row.html

EDIT - What size generator are you planning on using; and how will it be connected, anyways?

Laz]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21074415 Mon, 08 Sep 2008 01:45:54 EDT Re: Transfer switch http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21073893 sailor : I agree with the others who suggest looking on eBay..I recently bought a portable generator and asked here in the forum about switches and eBay was recommended..

I went there and after looking around a lot got this one for $140.00 Guy upgraded so that is why he sold it..perfect condition he claims...which I will find out shortly.

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21073893 Sun, 07 Sep 2008 23:04:02 EDT Re: Transfer switch http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21073814 dgilbert : »cgi.ebay.com/NEW-200-Amp-Generat···ViewItem just search "manual transfer switch" and several come up. for some reason if you try to limit it to a 200a they won't show.
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said by PoloDude

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I am looking for a whole house transfer switch (manual)
For a Generator. 200amp double pole double throw.

Any electrical supply house will have a decent manual two-pole, 200A transfer switch that is rated for at least 240V. They are made by Sqaure-D, Eaton Cuttler-Hammer, Siemens, etc. If they don't have a two-pole in stock, you can use the outside poles of a three-pole switch.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21073696 Sun, 07 Sep 2008 22:24:45 EDT Re: Transfer switch http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21073285 anon : Ok, I think I have found exactly what you want.

»www.gen-tran.com/eshop/10Browse.···ry=MTSPC]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21073285 Sun, 07 Sep 2008 21:12:41 EDT Re: Transfer switch http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21073224 PoloDude : That's exactly what i want davidg. I didn't find anything on ebay now.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21073224 Sun, 07 Sep 2008 21:03:58 EDT Re: Transfer switch http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21073121 dgilbert : ebay usually has them. they are a dual pole, ON-OFF-ON switch. i need one myself, but don't have an extra 300 or so to spend on it right now. i saw them go as low as 125 before, but at the time i did not need it!
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»www.reliancecontrols.com/Product···TCA1203D

Ther are MANY other configurations so I'll leave going through the rest of the products up to you.

Good luck.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21073115 Sun, 07 Sep 2008 20:41:32 EDT Re: Transfer switch http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21073113 anon : I'm confused would you put it in the panel if available space is there? Or Does it have to be separate?

I think you want this, but I'm not sure.

»cmsapps.sea.siemens.com/murray/m···9-10.pdf]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21073113 Sun, 07 Sep 2008 20:41:22 EDT Re: Transfer switch http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21073072 PoloDude : Those aren't what i want. Those are load panels. They are actually bigger than my current panel. 39" long. I don't want to replace my panel just add an external switch box. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21073072 Sun, 07 Sep 2008 20:32:44 EDT Re: Transfer switch http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21073001 Kringle : To recap my 2 posts...

200A Transfer Switch: »www.electricgeneratorsdirect.com···125.html
50A Power Inlet Kit: »www.electricgeneratorsdirect.com···703.html

You could also look for a local Reliance Controls distributor.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21073001 Sun, 07 Sep 2008 20:19:02 EDT Re: Transfer switch http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21072978 PoloDude : Thats what i want to do. Have th feed from the meter go in to a manual switch. Has to be rated for at least 150a. Then i could mount next to the switch the plug for the generator. The PLug i know i can find. The switch i have had no luck with.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21072978 Sun, 07 Sep 2008 20:14:49 EDT Re: Transfer switch http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21072936 Kringle : You'll likely have to run a short conduit from the transfer switch to a box housing a receptacle for the generator.

EDIT: They also have these to add to the transfer switches: »www.electricgeneratorsdirect.com···703.html]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21072936 Sun, 07 Sep 2008 20:05:17 EDT Re: Transfer switch http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21072794 PoloDude : Here is the panel i have now. a 150amp breaker. The box is a Murray. The main feed comes in from the bottom and runs up the left side. I have room to the left of the panel to put the switch. I would reall like something that has a built in socket for the generator.

Panel. sorry 4 crappy cell pic

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21072794 Sun, 07 Sep 2008 19:36:09 EDT Re: Transfer switch http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21072647 anon : What panel do you have?

We just put in a square D panel and you can buy just that to be put in the panel. It's called the generator interlock.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21072647 Sun, 07 Sep 2008 19:08:18 EDT Re: Transfer switch http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21072607 Kringle : Do you mean some thing like this? »www.electricgeneratorsdirect.com···125.html]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21072607 Sun, 07 Sep 2008 19:02:18 EDT Re: Transfer switch http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21072501 hardware bum : Have a look here:

ths.gardenweb.com/forums/wiring]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21072501 Sun, 07 Sep 2008 18:45:40 EDT Transfer switch http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21072379 PoloDude : I am looking for a whole house transfer switch (manual)
For a Generator. 200amp double pole double throw. What i wnat to do is come out of the meter to the switch, Then to the panel.
I have had a multi cicuit switch at another house that i put in and it worked great. But i dont want to limit usage to just a few circuits and the hassel of putting one of them in.
My searching has not been friutful :(
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