DSL Is The New Dial-Up > Geez....

reply to splat1622

Re: Geez....

reply to dadkins
you must not have went back to the »Verizon, AT&T Offer New DSL Promotions forum where i was posting as disapointed in my last post i talked about my house being up for sale check them out,and i have reduced the listing price as far as IM going to,and why do you want a link to my house its none of your business,nor is how much i want for it

»Comcast: a Naked AT&T Is No Threat
Whether you can get "naked DSL" from AT&T varies from market to market. The company plans to offer $20 768kbps naked service across its entire footprint before the end of the year to comply with BellSouth merger conditions. BellSouth users say anyone can get naked DSL in BellSouth territory if you call up and ask for "bundle 97."

as i said before do a little research first before you talk out your ass dsl will not be a luxury much longer they have to provide dsl to all customers

reply to splat1622
What I'd suggest?

Getting a pair of WRT54G's (or GS's), re-flash them with DD-WRT, and build a cheap bridge between a friends' house and yours. Oh, and a pair of Cantennas or some sort of directional antenna for each router.

..of course, with the right directional antennas, you can go a few miles.

thanks something to think about,but i will wait to the first of the year and see what at&t does

reply to patcat88
i wonder how much that will cost the co i use is 5 miles from me,and IM right at the county line with that co 3 1/2 miles from me in which stops 1700 feet from me.will they let me use the one in another county or will i have to use my co

reply to S_engineer
yea it will especially if you have neighbors like dadkins

reply to Vchat20
but verizon has a 5 gb download cap for 99.00 a month,and if you go over they charge you per mb that's the main reason i have not switched to it plus i only get 1 bar i would need a antenna.its not that great of a deal really sux

»b2b.vzw.com/productsservices/wir···nternet/

reply to splat1622
It proably won't work in your area, since your trying to link with someone in a different central office and is served by a different trunk line. Officially in such a case, if you request a dry loop between 2 locations in different central offices, you will be hit with insane charges ($25 loop to your central office-$x per mile intra office line-$25 loop from foreign central office to the other location). And thats assuming copper plant still exists between central offices. DSL will run over a 10 or 20 miles loop on a cold day in hell. Assuming a copper inter-office link is possible, the telco will push/strongly encourage you to have loading coils and voice conditioning done to the loop so you "voice" line works correctly. If no copper exists between COs, the telco may offer a fiber-optic link between central offices, which digitalizes your dry loop into 64kbitps (like any normal analog line) and sends it over to the other CO, DSL obviously isnt possible. The fiber optic interoffice link is billed at the same per mile charge as copper would be.

If you want to get a dry loop to run DSL over, under no circumstance can you run it through the CO. Line is too long. The idea would be to run it to someone downstream or upstream on the same trunk line as you. That can generate 1000-9000 foot loops which is the limit for DIY DSL. Your better off trying to get to someone with cable rather than DSL. Get an additional cable modem for that location, on a separate account (try "Apt 1" or a separate name) and separate billing address and dont send the bill to the service address. No problems with late bill paying/splitting the bill.

To run a dry loop inter CO like you want, I doubt its possible legally or physically to run a loop like that (inter-CO without going through COs). Legal BS might be stuff like a separate bell operating company / franchise / permit / LLC / LATA/etc. Physical problems can be no place where your trunk line going upstream is 0, 1 or 2 poles away from a trunk line going to the other C0. If your upstream trunk line doesn't magically/seamlessly turn into a downstream trunk line further down the road towards the other CO, you will get hit with $1000s in engineering charges (labor starts at $63 an hour per worker for Verizon here, just get a T1, it will be cheaper) since no physical connection exists, and many many new lines will have to be run along poles to create a path to the other trunk line, which probably means your loop is too long now and no DSL. This is assuming they won't tell you to screw yourself and get a house to CO, CO to CO, CO to house set up, which they can.

Cost wise, intra-office dry loops run under $100 per month per pair usually, so they are very affordable.

Remember the idea behind DIY DSL, is to create a DIY DSL link over a short dry copper loop that doesn't go through a CO to a location that has internet.

reply to elray
halved at four times the price? where can i sign up???



thanks for the info though.

reply to S_engineer
My father is - no other real choices and he has never had AOL.

reply to Simba7
Have you done that as of yet?

have i done what yet

BJA was asking 'Simba7' the question ("reply to Simba7")

reply to patcat88
Couldn't someone just get isdn and call it a day? 128k and lower latency is surely better than dial-up.

Most of the time it is very expensive - over $70/month and may times over $100.

That's still cheaper than doing crazing things like running a straight pair to another house up the road, getting cable internet there, and sending it to yourself over a private dsl link. At the very least you would have low latency and twice the speed or more of dial-up.

reply to BJA
I've done that a couple times, I actually got a decent link using a pair of old modified DirecTV dishes over a few miles. If I tweaked it up a little more, I've heard that you can get 5+ miles out of them.