Arena Etiquette Questions in World of Warcraft http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r21081780 en Wed, 11 Nov 2009 09:39:20 EDT Wed, 11 Nov 2009 09:39:20 EDT Re: Arena Etiquette Questions http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21086883 Jakiel00 :
said by awesome See Profile :

We want to try 5s, our group would probably be:

MS Warrior
Holy/Disc Priest (emphasis on holy)
Feral Druid
Moonkin

Any thoughts on a fifth we can get that would make this group viable?
Like Forlin said either another healer if the Boomkin doesn't want to go resto or try a Pom Pyro Mage. My 3's grp I run is 2 Pom Pyro Mages and myself on my Spriest. Funniest thing is having those mages blow every trinket they have and Pom Pyro one target in the beginning. If that first target doesn't die from the initial Pom Pyro and Arcane missles within the first 5 seconds, I finish them off with a SW:D.

I guess you could throw in a Rogue, but believe me you haven't seen anything as funny as a mage blasting the first target with a POM Pyro :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21086883 Wed, 10 Sep 2008 09:25:42 EDT Re: Arena Etiquette Questions http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21083453 Thaler :
said by Jakiel00 See Profile :

Playing in the 5V5 bracket is the most fun I have had since the AV days of long drawn out battles. Plus you will get a bunch more points, even with a sub-par 1400 rating.
I only know a handful enough of people to field a 2v2 or 3v3, let alone a 5v5. Plus, I'm not really so worried about points. I can get points slowly and eventually any which way. However, a 2v2 with a decent PR would allow me to get a lot more S4 gear that I'd like to use.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21083453 Tue, 09 Sep 2008 16:31:04 EDT Re: Arena Etiquette Questions http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21083450 Forlin : Second healer.

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In terms of specs you're definitely screwed though. A priest that specs anything other than discipline is cannon fodder. Perhaps you could use him as bait. He has good heals but will be focused on and downed in seconds.

You moonkin would do really well if he would consider changing to restokin and that would give you a second healer. Moonkins are viable dps though in 5s.

Never heard of a feral druid in arena, at least not one that didn't get frustrated. But it doesn't mean a decent player couldn't spec that way, and again is definitely viable as DPS.

If one of your druids was to take on healing (respec moonkin to restokin or the feral to tree) and your priest was to respec as discipline you could add a rogue, hunter or warlock and do extremely well.

You have good classes, but the specs are far too pve.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21083450 Tue, 09 Sep 2008 16:30:37 EDT Re: Arena Etiquette Questions http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21083377 awesome : I have yet to try 5s. I do 2s with a holy disc pve spec priest and 3s with that priest, a feral druid and a moonkin. The 2 druids usually switch in and out. (I'm an ms spec warrior)

Our ratings are not good, but I'm the only person with what I would consider good pve gear. The moonkin and the priest both of crappy gear for pvp.

We want to try 5s, our group would probably be:

MS Warrior
Holy/Disc Priest (emphasis on holy)
Feral Druid
Moonkin

Any thoughts on a fifth we can get that would make this group viable? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21083377 Tue, 09 Sep 2008 16:18:48 EDT Re: Arena Etiquette Questions http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21083302 Jakiel00 : The 5V5 team that we ran last night played 25 games in a row. When I was healing on my Shadow geared priest respecd to disc, we didn't so well (plus I was noobish when it came to playing a disc priest because I never had). None of my guildies had tried a 5V5 team and thought we might as well try it. But when I jumped on my Holy pally, our winning % drastically increased since I was able to live a hell of a lot longer.

Playing in the 5V5 bracket is the most fun I have had since the AV days of long drawn out battles. Plus you will get a bunch more points, even with a sub-par 1400 rating.

prolly should practice rolling on a disc priest and BG myself to death to switch out my gear.

Its on odd grp but we were able to make it work in the end:

Holy Pally
SL SL Lock
Eh Shaman
POM Pyro Mage
PVE Spec Rogue (he was too lazy to respec lol)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21083302 Tue, 09 Sep 2008 16:06:06 EDT Re: Arena Etiquette Questions http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21083068 Thaler :
said by Graytooth13 See Profile :

If you want better gear, you can pay a 5v5 to take you on. Either gold or dollars.
The day I pay players real money to advance in a video game, is the day I stop playing that game.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21083068 Tue, 09 Sep 2008 15:29:50 EDT Re: Arena Etiquette Questions http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21082963 Graytooth13 : If you want better gear, you can pay a 5v5 to take you on. Either gold or dollars. They'll carry you into a higher personal rating and you'll pick up pointers when you're in it too.
If you want to improve your personal skills, do what I did and do skirmishes for about an hour a day. You get a random team up and find what class you're working best with. When you find one, look on the wow forums or around your server for a team member. Eventually, you'll get one and then it's just communication and coordination to improve your team.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21082963 Tue, 09 Sep 2008 15:11:43 EDT Re: Arena Etiquette Questions http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21082885 Garbs : This is true! lol ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21082885 Tue, 09 Sep 2008 15:01:16 EDT Re: Arena Etiquette Questions http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21082858 Thaler : As much as I would like to transfer, all my IRL friends are now on this server. That's a lot of cash if I wanted to get all my toons off, let alone pay for theirs.

And as for the welcome, well, if I xfered, it'd be my job to give you the welcome first. Otherwise, what kind of a rogue would I be? :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21082858 Tue, 09 Sep 2008 14:55:42 EDT Re: Arena Etiquette Questions http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21082835 Garbs : You can always transfer to Altar of Storms and come looking for me, muahaha. :p

I'll be sure to give you a very warm welcome. *evil grin :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21082835 Tue, 09 Sep 2008 14:51:46 EDT Re: Arena Etiquette Questions http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21082825 Forlin : Don't see anything wrong with any of the things you listed. There are some risks to handing over a toon, but these are mostly minimalised by the fact you're already handing over a significant amount of gold.

Still there does exist a risk of pettiness. Some jerk vendoring/deleting your bop gear. I'm guessing you'd transfer anything not nailed down to one of your alternate accounts before handing over your details.

I reckon though, that as the people you'd want to play your toons would already have better geared toons of their own, unless you had a bank full of expensive non-bop items this wouldn't be too risky to try. Plenty of people do it, and the reason they don't get ripped off is their toons just aren't worth stealing from. Not by people that already have a full set of s4, including weapons and shoulders. Quite a few of these guys also have t6 as well, so the only thing they'd be interested in is what you're already giving them - gold.

Of course the biggest risk is Blizzard. Your sudden increase in rating and their sudden increase in gold might stick out a bit, especially if they added your toon to one of their existing teams.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21082825 Tue, 09 Sep 2008 14:49:46 EDT Re: Arena Etiquette Questions http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21082821 Thaler :
said by Garbs See Profile :

If it's possible through your budget to upgrade the gems in your shoulders to epic versions that will help (every little extra bit of punch is worth it in my opinion
I plan to after epic mount. Nothing else to really spend the money.

said by Garbs See Profile :

again the Vengeful shoulders are 'probably' unobtainable this season for you considering their high rating, let alone the Brutal version. I'd go so far to upgrade the head to an epic gem (considering the 1700 rating required there).
Hell, I'm entertained now just giving the Alliance hell out in world PvP. I can do that just fine in my current gear. I'm just looking for more things to do after the inevitible epic mount + epic gems. Arena just seemed like a logical thing, but the entry costs on my server are frustrating.

The most fun I get out of the game is playing on the open World. The PvP situations and tomfoolery you can get into there with friends is more than I ever got out of Arena. :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21082821 Tue, 09 Sep 2008 14:48:59 EDT Re: Arena Etiquette Questions http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21082801 anon : Have you considered another dps partner? I see you mentioned a poorly played warrior. You could probably find many hunters in your situation.

From what I have read there are some pretty successful Hunter/Rogue and defiantly Rogue/Rogue teams out there. You could reasonably get 1700 rating.

Ran into two nasty enhanced Shamans the other day. I play War/Shaman. I dropped the ball in that match and they burned my healer down faster than 2 Rogues ever have. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21082801 Tue, 09 Sep 2008 14:44:53 EDT Re: Arena Etiquette Questions http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21082768 Garbs : I figured your numbers were due to some explanation, as it is difficult to really bring it down that low. Sooner or later you run into teams that are simply just worse that you, so going below 1300 is a challenge. :P

Your gear isn't too bad, actually. You've put a lot of work in to obtain 410 res, which is nice. You also have the Merc shoulders and weapons--good choices because those may be areas you hold on to for quite some time considering the high-rating requirements to replace them. Mongoose enchants are nice as well.

If it's possible through your budget to upgrade the gems in your shoulders to epic versions that will help (every little extra bit of punch is worth it in my opinion); again the Vengeful shoulders are 'probably' unobtainable this season for you considering their high rating, let alone the Brutal version. I'd go so far to upgrade the head to an epic gem (considering the 1700 rating required there). Again, if gold is available, every extra bit of power/punch helps man.

Anyway, good luck and let us know where you net out after looking into potential partners through AJ.


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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21082768 Tue, 09 Sep 2008 14:38:52 EDT Re: Arena Etiquette Questions http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21082690 Jakiel00 :
said by Thaler See Profile :

said by Jakiel00 See Profile :

said by pr1mo See Profile :

How the hell do you get as low as 1267 on 2's? Are you bad or what? I can do 1600 with my eyes closed.
wow....way to flame him.
Feh. That's not flaming...at least not compared to WoW public boards. :D

I can't even read/determine what those little kiddies post on the WOW public forums. I wonder if they are all Washington D.C. 8th graders that can't read and just hit random letters on the key board?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21082690 Tue, 09 Sep 2008 14:25:55 EDT Re: Arena Etiquette Questions http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21082623 Thaler :
said by Jakiel00 See Profile :

said by pr1mo See Profile :

How the hell do you get as low as 1267 on 2's? Are you bad or what? I can do 1600 with my eyes closed.
wow....way to flame him.
Feh. That's not flaming...at least not compared to WoW public boards. :D

After I left for class, I figured someone would look at those ratings on the board and make conclusions, but I forgot to post the history behind the worthless numbers.

...and damn, I wish I could do 1600 with my eyes closed. My attempts at 2v2s have been quite damn near literally trying to carry my idiot partner through the matches. Kinda hard to solo 2 S3/4 players in S2/3. (and yes, our 1500s do have people in S3/4 w/ Vengeful weapons)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21082623 Tue, 09 Sep 2008 14:16:17 EDT Re: Arena Etiquette Questions http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21082602 Thaler :
said by awesome See Profile :

Here's a quick tip then...don't do this. You are talking about wanting quality partners, a quality partner is going to see your gear (which is very good) and your poor rating and think it's you. It's a reasonable conclusion to come to.
Again, the teams looking for spots are those who specifically (ie. mention this in the trade/post spam) want folks who've already hit 1700-1800 ratings, or whatever. I'd rather actually *have* that experience when I respond to them, rather than lying about it. Meanwhile, the 5s get me enough points to keep upgrading my gear.

I could drop the 2v2 and 3v3 (failed attempts at Arenaing and/or previous point farms, etc.) since the 5v5s are what give me points, but that isn't the problem really.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21082602 Tue, 09 Sep 2008 14:11:12 EDT Re: Arena Etiquette Questions http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21082578 Thaler :
said by awesome See Profile :

Don't pay for an arena team. It's lame and it makes you lame.
Honestly, I could care less about being called "lame" on a video game. If it's "lame" but nets results, well then, call me "lame".

said by awesome See Profile :

Don't look down on your potential partners so much, you might find someone with some skill.
I don't look down on anyone, but I am being sincere at the levels of players offered. If I spam trade, I get people who're barely entering PvP (2-3 pieces of S2 and green leveling gear), or just terribads (ie. keyboard turning, can't perform half of their class skills, etc.).

said by awesome See Profile :

Also remember, as awesome as you may be...it's never just your partners fault.
Try playing with Warriors that don't know charge, or Druids that don't know how to shift.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21082578 Tue, 09 Sep 2008 14:07:30 EDT Re: Arena Etiquette Questions http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21082568 awesome :
said by Thaler See Profile :

It's called faceplanting. I was on a trip with a bad connection, wanted some quick, free arena points, so I ran a dual-boxed 2v2 while I was AFK, connection permitting.

The 5v5 is the same thing. I don't have any real partner, so I buy a fresh 5v5 team every week where me and the same friends faceplant for points. It gets me 300 points every week on multiple toons, enough to buy most of S3 eventually, but I wouldn't mind getting a sincere attempt at Gladiator gear.
Here's a quick tip then...don't do this. You are talking about wanting quality partners, a quality partner is going to see your gear (which is very good) and your poor rating and think it's you. It's a reasonable conclusion to come to.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21082568 Tue, 09 Sep 2008 14:05:27 EDT Re: Arena Etiquette Questions http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21082550 Thaler : It's called faceplanting. I was on a trip with a bad connection, wanted some quick, free arena points, so I ran a dual-boxed 2v2 while I was AFK, connection permitting.

The 5v5 is the same thing. I don't have any real partner, so I buy a fresh 5v5 team every week where me and the same friends faceplant for points. It gets me 300 points every week on multiple toons, enough to buy most of S3 eventually, but I wouldn't mind getting a sincere attempt at Gladiator gear.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21082550 Tue, 09 Sep 2008 14:02:47 EDT Re: Arena Etiquette Questions http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21082549 awesome : Try new partners until you find one that sticks. Don't pay for an arena team. It's lame and it makes you lame. Don't look down on your potential partners so much, you might find someone with some skill.

Also remember, as awesome as you may be...it's never just your partners fault. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21082549 Tue, 09 Sep 2008 14:02:40 EDT Re: Arena Etiquette Questions http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21082411 pr1mo :
said by Jakiel00 See Profile :

said by pr1mo See Profile :

How the hell do you get as low as 1267 on 2's? Are you bad or what? I can do 1600 with my eyes closed.
wow....way to flame him.
That wasn't my intention, sorry if it came out like that. I was simply bewildered.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21082411 Tue, 09 Sep 2008 13:42:04 EDT Re: Arena Etiquette Questions http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21082333 Jakiel00 :
said by pr1mo See Profile :

How the hell do you get as low as 1267 on 2's? Are you bad or what? I can do 1600 with my eyes closed.
wow....way to flame him. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21082333 Tue, 09 Sep 2008 13:31:19 EDT Re: Arena Etiquette Questions http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21082264 pr1mo : Just saying, you got 410 resilience, fairly decent crit (32%), and half decent AP (~1740?), and you can't get above 1500, yet alone 1300? Terrible partner or not, something is wrong with that picture.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21082264 Tue, 09 Sep 2008 13:18:15 EDT Re: Arena Etiquette Questions http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21082221 Garbs : That's super helpful, thanks.

...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21082221 Tue, 09 Sep 2008 13:11:54 EDT Re: Arena Etiquette Questions http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21082210 pr1mo : How the hell do you get as low as 1267 on 2's? Are you bad or what? I can do 1600 with my eyes closed.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21082210 Tue, 09 Sep 2008 13:10:16 EDT Re: Arena Etiquette Questions http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21082018 Thaler :
said by Zyncotl See Profile :

Spam your stats in a major city and someone will come along.
This is how I usually come across my more "useless" 2s or 3s partners, unfortunately. These are usually the people who say it's "unpossible" for people to respond the way they do in arena. It's a bad sign when you can hear them click-mashing over vent.

said by Zyncotl See Profile :

You can get experience with a scrub player and eventually you'll find something better.
I can't really vouch for that. Having a lump and/or invalid for a 2s partner hasn't really gotten me experience in anything...well, other than seeing what a 2v1 feels like. :D

said by Zyncotl See Profile :

Also look for a 5s team, a lot of times they blow up but you can find a good 2s or 3s group in them.
Again, the problem is that "entry" into even 1600-1700 5v5 groups demand folks that're already experienced into that content. Since I haven't touched anything beyond 1500, nor had anyone worth note to try and achieve more, I'm kinda barred from entry into that route.

said by Garbs See Profile :

The gold thing is hit or miss in my opinion. Honestly, you shouldn't have to do that, but if it's something you really feel you need to do then have at it.
Hell, I'd love a free solution if possible. However, going through the "usual" public trade channel route has netted nothing but the highest calibur of unskilled PvPers. I just figured throwing gold at the problem might get me entry whereas the free channels have not. If people won't hang around with my unexperienced self, then maybe gold would entice them to put up with my arena noobness long enough for me to actually learn things.

I'll check out your link though, thanks. :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21082018 Tue, 09 Sep 2008 12:38:17 EDT Re: Arena Etiquette Questions http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21081928 Garbs : Rogue/Disc Priest is forgiving, but your Priest needs to be well geared (492 - 494 res) and very experienced (obviously). I'm only stating the obvious because for this to be a teaching relationship, you need someone who can take charge out there and direct you to where you need to be/go/focus, etc, and not die often. An experienced D.Priest can rally wins out there by flexing between offensive and defensive maneuvering, and knowing when to do this.

The gold thing is hit or miss in my opinion. Honestly, you shouldn't have to do that, but if it's something you really feel you need to do then have at it. I certainly wouldn't go the "buying the rating" route because if you or your partner are caught, you could lose all of the gear you've earned.

I know I've pimped this AJ site a lot, but to tell the truth it's very helpful and might prove to be another resource for you in your journey.

They have specific BG forums and people looking for partners here: »www.arenajunkies.com/forumdisplay.php?f=82

You may find someone who is in your exact situation and thus save yourself some gold in the process. :)

I'll check out your gear and post some comments in a little bit.

Good luck! :)
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21081928 Tue, 09 Sep 2008 12:24:19 EDT Re: Arena Etiquette Questions http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21081911 Zyncotl : Spam your stats in a major city and someone will come along. You can get experience with a scrub player and eventually you'll find something better. Also look for a 5s team, a lot of times they blow up but you can find a good 2s or 3s group in them.
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DON'T DO THIS!!
said by Thaler See Profile :

• Paying gold for "Personal Rating" services. This usually entails giving gold to other high-rated arena teams to play your character through for high Personal Ratings. I'm the least inclined to this option, as I really dislike giving out my account info that readily.


:)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21081860 Tue, 09 Sep 2008 12:15:31 EDT Arena Etiquette Questions http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21081780 Thaler : Well, I'm stuck at a kind of crossroads with my character regarding arena & server state, so I thought I'd take my question to a more productive forum.

Alright, here's my situation.

I think I've got my rogue up to an "arena level" gear/ability of play. I'm not looking to hit 2000s right away, but being able to hit even 1700s would be nice to buy Brutal stuffs.

Now, my clutch of IRL friends that I enjoy playing/PvPing around with hasn't fielded any kind of 2s or 3s matchups. Their characters that I potentially can arena with are far from ready (ie. in PvE/leveling gear, no resilience to speak of). In fact, the PvP characters they have (one warrior, one druid), they seem more content to work up their 2s to higher ratings than they are working me in for 2s and/or 3s.

So, my limitation right now is having arena experience on my rogue, as well as finding a partner - both very hard to "break into" on my server (Blackrock). Basically, any potential partners now avaliable this late in the game are the undergeared and/or unskilled (seriously, keyboard turners and below). People that're experienced in any way/shape/form are in high demand, and thus, expect a high quality partner to pair up with - something I can't really offer since I have no way of getting arena experience from the get-go.

Now with the background outta the way, here's my question(s). I was thinking of the prospects of throwing gold at the matter. My choices are:

• Paying gold to a high Arena experience player for tutoring. No Arena Veteran wants to run 2s or 3s with someone who's untested; maybe gold would keep them around long enough for me to learn something.
• Paying gold to a high Arena experience player to play w/ me to play 2s (or whatever) until we get as far as we're going to get, and then stop. I have no issue in getting points, but it's the personal rating now causing a problem.
• Paying gold for "Personal Rating" services. This usually entails giving gold to other high-rated arena teams to play your character through for high Personal Ratings. I'm the least inclined to this option, as I really dislike giving out my account info that readily.

Also, if I was to buy a partner for tutoring/ringer purposes, I've been advised that a rogue/dis priest is the most forgiving partnership for newbie arena players. I kind of like the flows of 2s more than 3s, and especially 5s...any truth to this statement?

And so there's my query. I think I have good foundation to be an arena player. I can 1v1 anyone fairly well from 100% down (duels/world PvP/etc.), but I'm really just lacking the experience of working with a partner and/or managing multiple targets. My gear shouldn't be too much an issue either:

»www.wowarmory.com/character-shee···Blubawls

Any input would be appreciated. I still love playing my rogue (grinding gold and honor at the same time is fun as all hell), but I would like to sharpen my swords further.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21081780 Tue, 09 Sep 2008 12:03:25 EDT