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pepe319431943

@northwestern.edu

reply to illJazz
Re: Leaving the US for about 5 months--what to do about service?

Just sell it. Ebay, craigslist, etc. It's a no brainer since folks want the phone but are not eligible for upgrade, etc. Some folks even want to use it w/ T-Mo regardless of the fact that it is not compatible with the frequency bands T-Mo uses for 3G in the U.S.


illJazz
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join:2002-09-04
switzerland

reply to pepe3738342
said by pepe3738342 :

Maybe we are arguing over semantics, but suspending service is not the same as canceling service, which is what incurs the ETF.

Unfortunately, ATT still won't provide subsidy unlock codes for their 3G iPhones. [ Why would they give away the cow when they can sell so much milk? ] Will Swisscom sell you an unlocked iPhone like you can get in some other parts of the world? Since you like it so much, paying such a premium might be ideal so you can always get the updates w/o messing with the functionality.
I suppose that's what'll end up happening. I'll have to figure out what the hell to do with the current, ATT-locked iPhone 3G.

Swisscom does sell them with their plans, and they even have a special plan for people under 26. It's 39 Swiss Francs a month with 250MB data included. The 16GB iPhone 3G is 299 Swiss Francs. Not bad--but the 299 suck when I *already have* an iPhone 3G.

I haven't called them yet but will do it later today.


pepe3738342

@comcast.net

reply to illJazz
Maybe we are arguing over semantics, but suspending service is not the same as canceling service, which is what incurs the ETF.

Unfortunately, ATT still won't provide subsidy unlock codes for their 3G iPhones. [ Why would they give away the cow when they can sell so much milk? ] Will Swisscom sell you an unlocked iPhone like you can get in some other parts of the world? Since you like it so much, paying such a premium might be ideal so you can always get the updates w/o messing with the functionality.


illJazz
Premium
join:2002-09-04
switzerland

reply to NY Tel
said by NY Tel See Profile :

Just dial 611 from the phone (free call) and ask AT&T.
It makes no sense to tell you that you can suspend your service but continue to pay the bills.
What part of "stupid" does not apply to that AT&T salesperson....lol
Well, of course they'll let me suspend service. That's not the issue. I'll pay the cancellation fee and that will be that. The question is... what the heck do I do with my iPhone 3G that's locked to AT&T? I can definitely get it unlocked (»www.iphoneservices.ch/index.php?···vice_new or »www.i-lock.info/index.html) but will have to pay about $80 to do it AND will have to be very careful each time Apple drops an iPhone software update. The iPhone Services guys apparently already have a working iPhone 2.2 unlock.. the i-Lock guys don't just yet, but will soon.

I'd rather have a non-jailbroken/unlocked phone as I've never been into the whole Installer/Cydida world. I'm quite happy with the App Store and its offerings, and I'd like to be able to install software updates on the phone without worrying whether it will stop working..

What this boils down to is... will AT&T unlock the phone for me? Somehow I doubt it.

I'll give them a call and see what they say. If not, I suppose I'll have to get my THIRD iPhone (second iPhone 3G but third overall because I also have an iPhone 2G) with my local provider, Swisscom.


NY Tel
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join:2004-04-09
Smithtown, NY

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reply to illJazz
Just dial 611 from the phone (free call) and ask AT&T.
It makes no sense to tell you that you can suspend your service but continue to pay the bills.
What part of "stupid" does not apply to that AT&T salesperson....lol


illJazz
Premium
join:2002-09-04
switzerland

reply to illJazz
As it turns out, it's very likely that I will remain in Europe for the time being. I'm still paying my monthly iPhone 3G bill at AT&T.

I currently use my unlocked iPhone 2G with prepaid over here in Switzerland. I also have my iPhone 3G over here, but don't really use it unless I'm accessing wifi at home (it has a much better wifi range than the iPhone 2G).

Since it looks like I'm staying here and I want to get back on a real subscription (I've never been on prepaid this long, and I really hope I'll never have to use it again), what do you think my options are? I obviously will be canceling my AT&T service and will have to pay the early termination fee. But what about my iPhone 3G? To get a plan with with Swisscom, my local mobile carrier that also has the iPhone, my iPhone 3G would have to be fully unlocked.

I also want to use 3G of course.

I'm guessing AT&T still won't unlock my iPhone 3G for me, right? And even if they did, how would they? Would I have to send my iPhone 3G back to the US?
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I r a lolcat.


pepe315352

@northwestern.edu

reply to illJazz
Greater perspective here

Look at the broader perspective here.

*Any* of my ATT branded GSM handsets can be unlocked for use abroad w/ foreign networks If you do indeed require your phone to be 100% operational wherever you go, the unlock scheme as it stands now w/ the iPhone is not adequate for most travellers. They generally need a guarantee that their device which is set up for specific purposes is going to always work. The beauty of a truly unlocked handset on GSM loses it's shine w/ the 3G iPhone unfortunately. Some of us need a phone that works(!)


illJazz
Premium
join:2002-09-04
switzerland

reply to pepe2143621
Re: This is not an option with iPhone

said by pepe2143621 :

Sorry, but you have not yet read enough on the topic. Again, I will reiterate, it is a *temporary* solution and may stop working at any time depending on the network he's connecting to in China. Head on over to hackintosh forums if you want more specifics about the hardware/software 'fix' you've alluded to. It's a temporary one unfortunately, and won't help the vast majority of folks wanted to free themselves of the high roaming costs w/ an ATT plan.

-Pedro
Why does it matter whether it's temporary? The point is that it works. There is never a guarantee that it will continue to work if you ever were to install 2.2 on a device using the SIM unlock chip combined with a software unlock method, but that's just the risk you have to take if you are going to unlock your iPhone 3G. Looking at it that way, the only thing there IS temporary. I don't see how you could perform a permanent unlock.


pepe2143621

@northwestern.edu

reply to illJazz
Sorry, but you have not yet read enough on the topic. Again, I will reiterate, it is a *temporary* solution and may stop working at any time depending on the network he's connecting to in China. Head on over to hackintosh forums if you want more specifics about the hardware/software 'fix' you've alluded to. It's a temporary one unfortunately, and won't help the vast majority of folks wanted to free themselves of the high roaming costs w/ an ATT plan.

-Pedro


illJazz
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switzerland

reply to pepe13126475
My cousin unlocked his iPhone 3G last week here in Switzerland. Now he's in China and signed up for a mobile plan with China Mobile two days ago. He says everything works perfectly on his iPhone 3G, including 3G data acess at 3G speeds.

It's a combination of a software and hardware unlock. The hardware part uses a chip that you slide into the phone after placing it on TOP of your SIMcard in the SIM tray. No cutting of the SIM card was required. I thought that was interesting, especially because as far as I'm aware, cutting of the SIM card was required until recently.

I have no idea how he'll deal with software updates... but for now, it works great. Oh, and he's running the latest software on his iPhone, 2.1.


pepe13126475

@comcast.net
reply to Alcohol
Sure, a first gen iPhone but not the 3G one. Don't confuse jailbreak with SIM unlock. FWIW, the current 'fake SIM' unlocking solutions only work temporarily, and only on some networks.


Alcohol
Premium
join:2003-05-26
Somerset, NJ
reply to bahman2000
Not true. I suspended my contract with Cingular last summer for 3 months with a $19.99 (if i remember) fee. My 2 year contract ended 3 months later because of it.

You can easily get the Iphone unlocked in Europe for 20 euros .

bahman2000

join:2003-08-27
Brooklyn, NY
reply to pep21835120345
I second this.

I'm with Tmobile.

If you're still under contract you can not suspend.

My contract expired and now I can suspend for $10/month.


pep21835120345

@northwestern.edu

reply to pcnetworx1
If the OP's still under contract with an iPhone (its required data services that he signed up for) he wouldn't be eligible for such a drasticly discounted plan. AFAIK the seasonal plans were never really offered by Cingular or ATT, but just the more discounted carriers like Sprint. YMMV.

-Pedro


slash
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join:2001-03-01
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reply to illJazz
Re: Leaving the US for about 5 months--what to do about service?

Yeah, I'd see if you can talk to someone else. I think he may have been giving you bad info.


illJazz
Premium
join:2002-09-04
switzerland

reply to pcnetworx1
said by pcnetworx1 See Profile :

Yea, every cell phone company I dealt with has something called a "seasonal plan" which keeps your account active for 5 - 6 bucks a month. I recommend doing this instead of cancelling.

I know with sprint they also actually leave the phone active and you can even still make calls... for
$0.75 a minute though. So, make sure you put it back on a real plan in January.
That's exactly what the guy at AT&T told me he CANNOT do for me. He basically said there is no way to get out of paying my bills. WTF?

I really need to give them a call.

pcnetworx1

join:2005-09-21
Bethel Park, PA


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reply to illJazz
Yea, every cell phone company I have dealt with has something called a "seasonal plan" which keeps your account active for 5 - 6 bucks a month. I recommend doing this instead of cancelling.

I know with sprint they also actually leave the phone active and you can even still make calls... for
$0.75 a minute though. So, make sure you put it back on a real plan in January.


illJazz
Premium
join:2002-09-04
switzerland

reply to Turoll
said by Turoll :

illJazz See Profile
While in Switzerland, I'd obviously like to keep using my iPhone 3G, because using any other phone at this point would feel like down-grading, big-time.
You using an iPhone in europe is a downgrade
There are superior phones readily available by the providers there, get rid of the trash "ipod 3g" and get one of the real smartphones Nokia or Ericcson or Samsung makes at least they are also unlocked.
I grew up in Europe and spent the first 18 years of my life there. I've had a bunch of phones while there, and nothing ever even came close to the iPhone. I can't think of a single other phone that wouldn't feel like some sort of downgrade compared to the iPhone 3G today. Any suggestions? I have no intentions of switching to any other phone any time soon.

BTW, I walked into an AT&T store half an hour ago and told the rep about my situation. I asked if I could put my account on hold for the duration of my absence.. and he said you can suspend your account, but you still have to pay the bills, so that's pointless. Basically, he told me that there is no way of getting out of the monthly bills :/

I feel like giving AT&T a call about this directly. Perhaps this guy just didn't know what he was talking about. Perhaps he did. Only one way to find out :/

One thing's for sure: this guy mentioned nothing about putting the account on hold and then paying a fraction of the monthly bill for the duration of my absence, and then turning service back on once I return to the US.


Turoll

@jillyred.net

reply to illJazz
illJazz See Profile
While in Switzerland, I'd obviously like to keep using my iPhone 3G, because using any other phone at this point would feel like down-grading, big-time.
You using an iPhone in europe is a downgrade
There are superior phones readily available by the providers there, get rid of the trash "ipod 3g" and get one of the real smartphones Nokia or Ericcson or Samsung makes at least they are also unlocked.


illJazz
Premium
join:2002-09-04
switzerland

reply to pepe1812934089
said by pepe1812934089 :

Nope. They won't do it. Not yet, at least. There's too much money to be made currently simply keeping the 3G iPhones on the ATT network.

Just keep paying the bills if you know you'll be coming back to the U.S. and find a phone you like for use back home. It seems like the way to go especially if you like the service you've enjoyed thus far w/ the 3G iPhone.

-Pedro
If that's the case, I'd rather put a hold on the service as scots See Profile mentioned. Definitely beats paying $75/month for nothing for 5 months...

said by scots See Profile :

They are not unlocking the iPhone 3G. I recall seeing someone mention elsewhere that they asked about it and AT&T told them it couldn't be done.

I believe they have an option to put the account on hold where you pay something like $5 or $10/month rather than your regular monthly bill. This does have the effect of extending your contract by the number of months the account is on hold. So...if your contract is currently set to end in July 2010 and you put the account on hold for 5 months, your contract would then be extended to December 2010.

The ETF (should you choose to cancel) is pro-rated. It starts at $175 and is then reduced by $5 for each month you've been in the contract. In your case, if you canceled service on January 12 your ETF should be $145. July 12 through January 12 would be 6 months * $5 = $30 off the ETF.

If you did cancel and then come back you shouldn't be under another contract when you come back if you use your current phone rather than getting a new one. You would lose your current phone number, though.
Hm.. did that person you mentioned have a situation comparable to mine? Just curious.

Putting on hold is probably what I will end up doing. Makes the most sense right now. More so than either paying the bills while absent or canceling the service and then rejoining.

I heard about the ETF being pro-rated, but thanks for mentioning that. I wasn't 100% sure. That's nice and definitely more fair than keeping it a fixed amount regardless of how far into your contract you are.

What I'm considering doing now is using www.any-network.com, as was suggested as a possible option on the same thread I've got going over at Macrumors' Forums. Looks very interesting. I'll wait until after the 2.1 update that's dropping this Friday to see if it's confirmed to work, then probably purchase that.

The question of just what to do in Switzerland to keep using my iPhone 3G remains open. I can sign a one year contract, perhaps, and then cancel that early.. argh. Life's a bitch. It'll work out somehow.
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