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bl3s5in join:2008-09-13	[availability] To far from the CO I'm 3.9 miles from my central office, and as I understand 3.5 miles is the cut off. Is there any kind of signal booster or something that can bail me out here? It's kind of depressing that I can see where the cable line ends from my bedroom window but they still want roughly 3 grand to run it the extra 3 telephone poles.
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Re: [availability] To far from the CO

Welcome to BBR.

I'm a little confused by our post. ADSL travels over the same phone line a voice telephone line. Do you currently have wired phone service? If so there is no need to install additional poles. I assume you do not currently have wired phone service which is why the line has be be extended.

We had a similar situation when we built our home. It is about 600 feet off the road so we had to pay to have the line extended. First pole was free we had to pay for the other two.

You are correct in general ADSL is limited to 18,000 feet. There are several options to extend this a few thousand feet. DSL speed is distance limited and ultimately up to what equipment the ISP has deployed. Any range extension had to be done by the ISP unless you want to remotely mount the modem. But in that case you will need to provide a waterproof enclosure and power. If distance is less then 100 meters you can use ordinary Ethernet.

Are you serviced by Cable TV or a wireless ISPs?

If you are on good terms with a neighbor that has some form of broadband may what to think about installing a wireless link between your home and neighbors.

/tom

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Re: [availability] To far from the CO

Ah, sorry for not making my post clear. The extra telephone poles was a reference to Cable.The local Cable Company wanted money to extend the cable line to my house. I only mentioned it because it is so frustrating being so close to both Cable and DSL. I currently have home phone service from Verizon and I did not have to pay extra to have the line ran. I would have to be 2112 ft closer to get ADSL, are there any methods that would make that possible? Also no they're no Wireless ISPs out here. Outside of getting this ADSL to work my only options are Dial-up, staying with WildBlue(far less than optional), or getting an EV-DO card and router. Only problem with EV-DO is that I can not live on a 5 gig cap.

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Re: [availability] To far from the CO

based on your problem, if you pay the cableco, you're much better off, as you sound like you're on the very fringe to get DSL, so your service, if any, won't be good.

My advice: Try Sprint's EV-DO. If it works out for ya, cancel within the first 30 days and return the equipment. Then, buy one of the following devices from a Sprint store/eBay upfront (ie without service):
»www.millenicom.com/mobilebroadband/BYOD.htm
Then, go to »www.millenicom.com and sign up for the Wireless internet (BYOD option). Enter the ESN/HEX to activate your newly-purchased device, along with your billing info, and you're good to go. Millenicom service is $59.99/mo, and it's unlimited, unlike Sprint, hence the reason I'm recommending it.

Hope this helps,
Cheers,
a333

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bl3s5in join:2008-09-13	Re: [availability] To far from the CO Bad DSL is better than 2000 MS latency on WildBlue. Sprint doesn't offer EV-DO in my area only Verizon. Will that method work with Verizon? Also the cableco wants about 3000$ to run the line, which is a little out of my budget.
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Re: [availability] To far from the CO

No, by 'bad DSL' I mean pretty much NO connection. I mean it.. you'll be disconnected like every 5 mins, unless your line's exceptionally clean. Also, Verizon probably will refuse to even sign you up. As to EV-DO, Millenicom doesn't work with Verizon. Millenicom is a Sprint reseller, you see. They work if Sprint works. (You COULD just get Verizon EVDO, but... they're capped @ 5 Gigs) However, since you say Verizon has EV-DO in your area, there's the chance Sprint does as well. Their coverage maps are usually out of date... so give 'em a try. It's your best bet, given your current situation. Remember: if Sprint works, cancel 'em within 30 days and get Millenicom to take advantage of the unlimited service..

Cheers,
a333

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bl3s5in join:2008-09-13	Re: [availability] To far from the CO Nah Sprint has no service out here at all. I own a Sprint 3G phone(got locked in with the contract) that gets no Sprint service at my house and is forced to roam on Verizon. Thank you for the help though, I can't believe how difficult it is to get half way decent BroadBand to rural communities in 2008.
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a333 A hot cup of integrals please join:2007-06-12 Rego Park, NY	Re: [availability] To far from the CO Hmmm in that case, your only option is to just get Verizon Wireless and stick with the 5 GB cap, or get Satellite in exchange for higher caps but crappy latency. Good luck anyway, Cheers, a333
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bl3s5in join:2008-09-13	Re: [availability] To far from the CO It's fun being screwed. Well thanks to all who posted, I'm going to see if I can find a company who will put up a dsl loop extension or whatever it is called for my business. Any word on how many feet one will actually extend the signal?
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Jodokast96 R.I.P Bassman442 Premium join:2005-11-23 Erial, NJ	Re: [availability] To far from the CO If you think 3 grand is a lot to run cable, you're going to be picking up more than your jaw at the cost of that. Besides, it would take damn near a small towns worth of people to get that kind of equipment installed.
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said by bl3s5in

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It's fun being screwed.

How is it you are being screwed?

said by bl3s5in

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I'm going to see if I can find a company who will put up a dsl loop extension or whatever it is called for my business. Any word on how many feet one will actually extend the signal?

There are no loop extenders for DSL. DSL is a point-to-point link between customer's modem and DSLAM. To reduce loop length Telco's install Remote Terminals. RTs move DSLAM closer to customer and use fiber to connect back to the CO.

If this is a business may want to look at getting a T1 line. T1's are able to use repeaters to extend distance. T1'a are business class services so they are expensive. You are looking at prices in the $300-500 per month range for 1500/1500.

/tom

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Bobcat Premium join:2001-02-04 Bedminster, NJ	Find the $3,000 for extending the cable line. Or talk to your township committee (or whatever your governing body is) and ask them if they can help get the cable company's charge lowered.
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bl3s5in join:2008-09-13	Re: [availability] To far from the CO How exactly could my township committee help lower the price of Cable? Also even if I had $3,000 to give them I wouldn't do it.Something just seems wrong about paying a company that kind of money to buy the right to pay them more money.
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How exactly could my township committee help lower the price of Cable? Also even if I had $3,000 to give them I wouldn't do it. Something just seems wrong about paying a company that kind of money to buy the right to pay them more money.

1. They have a franchise from your town. People start complaining about the cable service, and the town has some leverage.

2. There are standards in the franchise agreement about who is or isn't served. i.e., a certain number of houses per mile, etc. The town could check to see if the cable company is really playing by the rules.

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Since Verizon said you are too far you are pretty much out of luck. There is a Range Extended version of ADSL2+ that push wire distance another few thousand feet. But Verizon is not marketing them as far as I know.

Are there any CLECs offering DSL in your area? They may be able to push distance a little more the Verizon is interested in. May want to check with State Public Utilities Commission. While DSL is unregulated they may have info on ISPs and CLECs providing service in your area.

Have you though about using ISDN? You can bond both channels for 128/128 kbps service. Adapter is automatic so you can still use it for voice. When voice line is in use speed drops to 64/64 kbps. Some ISP offer something called IDSL which is data only version that uses ISDN signalling that speed is 144/144 kbps. Being truly digital service latency is good, given the relatively low speed.

/tom

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bl3s5in join:2008-09-13	Re: [availability] To far from the CO I've thought about it but I've been quoted some insane prices for it. I will look into the CLECs and ISDL, thanks.
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i have the same exact problem but im only 3.8 miles away >_ (brand new dslam so im hoping they have some kind of tech boost) so when service is available from the dslam im just going to demand them to install it at my house and if i dc every 5 minutes i dont care its better then dial up/hughesnet

and i have static lines.. verizon are such cheap b*tches tons of people complain about it and they still dont get off their ass to fix it

and if i was 3 poles from cable i would pay 3k in a blink of an eye, sadly im like 7+ miles from cable service

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I had a simular problem with my cable company. They wanted about $3,000 to hook cable up to the house. After talking with them they offered to do it for $99. if I did the trench and backfill. It was a 900' run. Trench cost me $300 + a case of Miller Lite as that is what my neighbor with the machine drank.

You may want to see if there are any other options open to you. Never hurts to ask.
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JohnA Premium join:2003-09-16 Pittsburgh, PA	Re: [availability] To far from the CO said by pende_tim : IIt was a 900' run. Trench cost me $300 + a case of Miller Lite as that is what my neighbor with the machine drank. Now, that was a sweet deal.
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Bobcat Premium join:2001-02-04 Bedminster, NJ ·Verizon Online DSL	Re: [availability] To far from the CO said by JohnA : said by pende_tim : IIt was a 900' run. Trench cost me $300 + a case of Miller Lite as that is what my neighbor with the machine drank. Now, that was a sweet deal. As long as you give him the Miller Lite after he did the trench.
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